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On December 09 2015 00:29 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Just wanted to share my piece here. It is safe to say that not delivering on all of the tiers for Papa John's is something I am not proud of. I take our word very seriously and it saddens me deeply that we did not come through on this within a reasonable time frame. That said, I do want to make sure that those of you pointing to this are doing so with the right information in mind. Out of all the tiers promised 8/10 tiers were delivered on. The remaining tiers are a pizza party, and the cross-game showmatches. With this announcement we've made sure to deliver, or come close to delivering as is realistically possible, on the outstanding tiers as a part of this announcement, and I don't think any of us would have wanted to move forward without doing so. For the pizza party the difficulty is that there are basically no events for StarCraft to do this at nowadays. As a solution we did pizza parties last Sunday in LA and SF, and have decided to add to the concept by hosting an online one and dedicate a pizza party VOD viewing night specifically for StarCraft. For the showmatches cross-game is a difficult concept more fun in word than in practice. The showmatches in the announcement are included to make sure we deliver on this tier with similar but alternative content. I'm confident we can come up with some great ideas for this that will reward both players and fans in the SC scene. | ||
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
Lets just hope stuff works more smoothly and faster than last time  | ||
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
On December 08 2015 22:44 BisuDagger wrote: Is 15 miles really that far away? You must not live in a big city. You could always do delivery. :D 15 miles seems extremely far to me O_o But then again from what I understand American city planning/building is different from german one, so it might just be the fact that I'm not used to it! | ||
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ragz_gt
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Liquid`Nazgul
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For the pizza party the difficulty is that there are basically no events for StarCraft to do this at nowadays. As a solution we did pizza parties last Sunday in LA and SF, and have decided to add to the concept by hosting an online one and dedicate a pizza party VOD viewing night specifically for StarCraft. For the showmatches cross-game is a difficult concept more fun in word than in practice. The showmatches in the announcement are included to make sure we deliver on this tier with similar but alternative content. I'm confident we can come up with some great ideas for this that will reward both players and fans in the SC scene. | ||
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
On December 08 2015 22:44 BisuDagger wrote: Is 15 miles really that far away? You must not live in a big city. You could always do delivery. :D I've had Pizza Huts within 5 miles that refused to deliver to me because it was "too far." And if I do carryouts, I rather have a hot pizza, as it isn't exactly a food I'd eat in the car. Plus I could get NY style slices just 3 blocks down. All this pizza talk making me crave them fat and carbs grrrrr...  | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5220 Posts
On December 09 2015 00:29 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Just wanted to share my piece here. It is safe to say that not delivering on all of the tiers for Papa John's is something I am not proud of. I take our word very seriously and it saddens me deeply that we did not come through on this within a reasonable timeframe. Well, I feel vindicated for what I said then, and don't need to take another 20 mile drive for pizza. Even though what you said isn't technically an apology, it feels like it, but it should have come way sooner and should have righted a wrong. Sadly, it did neither. Supporting E-Sports in 2013 felt like you were supporting a grass-roots movement, not a corporate entity. Probably everyone on this forum has been ripped off by a corporate entity in one way or another, but the failure to deliver what you said you would deliver, made TL feel like just another corporate entity taking advantage of us. The fact is, TL and Papa Johns didn't care enough about the community to make it right. Otherwise you would have. It is why I can't buy pizza for this, and why I wrote a letter to Papa Johns deriding their decision to work with Team Liquid. We all got our choices to make. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Also their pizza is cheaper, tastier, healthier and more genuine than any of these pizza franchises. | ||
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DuckloadBlackra
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On December 09 2015 01:58 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Sorry, I'd rather spend my money "supporting" my locally and family run pizza shop who truly deserves it for the services rendered, than some some coorporate entity that doesn't deliver its promises to "support" Team Liquid and the sc2 community. The ruddy cheek of it all. Also their pizza is cheaper, tastier, healthier and more genuine than any of these pizza franchises. So much this! I have nothing more to say, you said it all. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19363 Posts
On December 08 2015 23:58 Arvendilin wrote: 15 miles seems extremely far to me O_o But then again from what I understand American city planning/building is different from german one, so it might just be the fact that I'm not used to it! Lol, fair enough. I live in the largest city in the US, Jacksonville. It takes 45-50 minutes on the highway without traffic to go from one end to the other. 15 miles that is highway connected here equals 15 minutes driving time, 15 miles down a busy road (non highway) means about 35 minute drive lol. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5188 Posts
On December 08 2015 19:22 infii wrote: Thirteen cents? You must have really low salaries back in the US for a pizza to have thirteen cents in production cost. (marketing and logistics also not included) But yes, they still do profit with deals like these so I can understand the people who feel betrayed. Eh our salaries aren't low (unless your a waiter/waitress, who only get 3-4 dollars a hour and tips.) It just the business has contacts so they pay a lot up front, but the ingredients become cheaper. For example: If farmer A is offering a company his cheese at .80 cents a pound. And farmer B is offering the same company his cheese for .10 cents a pound, but with lets say a contract. In the contract, they buy the cheese from him for a year and give him lets say 100,000$ at the signing of the contract. All the company has to do is put it into a linear equation (for A, .80x. and B, .10x +100,000) and choose the farmer based off of how much cheese they need. However i'm not sure it costs thirteen cents for the ingredients of a pizza. Idk, while i'm well versed in pizza statistics. I'm not up to par on pizza science/cost . | ||
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billynasty
United States260 Posts
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lestye
United States4208 Posts
On December 09 2015 07:21 billynasty wrote: since i live in NY & we have the best pizza in america, i dont know of anyone who goes to papa johns. PapaJohns/Dominoes/PizzaHut are places people go to when they have no good pizza places around. But hey, i think its cool they're throwing some money at esports/SC2. The more the merrier. Reminds me of that The Office episode, where Michael is excited to get some New York Pizza, and goes to Sbarro | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On December 09 2015 01:38 BronzeKnee wrote: Well, I feel vindicated for what I said then, and don't need to take another 20 mile drive for pizza. Even though what you said isn't technically an apology, it feels like it, but it should have come way sooner and should have righted a wrong. Sadly, it did neither. Supporting E-Sports in 2013 felt like you were supporting a grass-roots movement, not a corporate entity. Probably everyone on this forum has been ripped off by a corporate entity in one way or another, but the failure to deliver what you said you would deliver, made TL feel like just another corporate entity taking advantage of us. The fact is, TL and Papa Johns didn't care enough about the community to make it right. Otherwise you would have. It is why I can't buy pizza for this, and why I wrote a letter to Papa Johns deriding their decision to work with Team Liquid. We all got our choices to make. The Sc2 e-sports scene always felt like something, that was pushed on me and heavily marketed by the according industry. And it still feels to me that way. I can understand your frustration about that fact as i felt similar, but perhaps you are projecting to much of it on this Pizza incident. I like that Nazgul comments on this matter and seems to care, but then again TL headquarters could have cared earlier, when the problem arose. I dunno, supporting E-Sports with pizza is like drinking beer to safe the rainforest anyway, the idea sounds kind of .. wrong. What we all can do, if we love our game (and mine isn't Sc2) is: hype the events that happen, show our support to players and organizers and make stuff happen ourselves. | ||
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LeeJohnDong
Ireland58 Posts
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Shapelog
United States5188 Posts
On December 09 2015 07:20 Shapelog wrote: However i'm not sure it costs thirteen cents for the ingredients of a pizza. Idk, while i'm well versed in pizza statistics. I'm not up to par on pizza science/cost . Well i'm not eating a lot of pizza anymore..... The science of its ingredients are disturbing (but that is with every modern food.) Eh i still use the code and order pizza for friends or something. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8309 Posts
On December 09 2015 01:58 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Sorry, I'd rather spend my money "supporting" my locally and family run pizza shop who truly deserves it for the services rendered, than some some coorporate entity that doesn't deliver its promises to "support" Team Liquid and the sc2 community. The ruddy cheek of it all. Also their pizza is cheaper, tastier, healthier and more genuine than any of these pizza franchises. It's honestly pretty hard to argue with this. I mean I love TL, and if I'm being honest I'll probably buy a pizza for the cause just so I can say I did... But man last time seemed pretty brutal, and I really can't blame people for saying they won't fall for that again. I'm kind of surprised that instead of apologizing first they just try to do the same thing again. I'm glad Nazgul has written his piece now, that helps, but it just feels like damage control more than anything. + Show Spoiler + Not to mention the fact that pretty much any other pizza out there tastes better to me than Papa Johns does | ||
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Lockdown-
United States298 Posts
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