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2015 StarCraft II Proleague Feedback

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Chuddinater
Profile Joined July 2013
Korea (South)169 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 07:33:55
October 12 2015 07:15 GMT
#1
Hello StarCraft II fans,

On behalf of everyone at KeSPA I would like to thank you all for your continued support of StarCraft II Proleague this past season. As we continue to try and improve our league we would love to hear your feedback on the 2015 season.

Please let me know what you liked most about this season or what you wish was improved upon for the next season.

We hope you enjoyed the 2015 season and lets make the 2016 season even better!



edit #1: Thank you for your feedback. I have read over all of your suggestions and we will work on improving next season with your suggestions in mind.

I hope you continue to support StarCraft II Proleague and the Korean StarCraft II scene.
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
October 12 2015 07:24 GMT
#2
Format: Consider bringing back Bo7? More diverse match ups and more possibility to show case builds and less prominent players. I also would prefer more rounds but that's mostly a scheduling issue.

Production values: Everything looked good and the quality of the streams were great, except for the red and green squares that were used later on in the year for player map wins that looked horribly out of place.

Player interaction: Please consider better fleshed out segments of player interviews to fill the gap between games, what you have currently is good but just expand on it.

English and other language streams: Consider allowing the players or coaches address the foreign community more directly if possible in interviews and other means, more support for the other language streams if possible.
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padiseal2
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria721 Posts
October 12 2015 07:29 GMT
#3
Bring back 10Q10A please
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SC2Angora
Profile Joined August 2015
53 Posts
October 12 2015 07:30 GMT
#4
I think the grand final of the season should be a huge Bo7 event between the two remaining team and not a single Bo1 to finish the year.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
October 12 2015 07:44 GMT
#5
PLEASE bring back the game timer. It really makes proleague, the highest level of SC2 in the world, much worse to watch.
Chuddinater
Profile Joined July 2013
Korea (South)169 Posts
October 12 2015 07:46 GMT
#6
On October 12 2015 16:44 ZAiNs wrote:
PLEASE bring back the game timer. It really makes proleague, the highest level of SC2 in the world, much worse to watch.

Unfortunately we removed the game timer to stop some types of e-Sports gambling.
Shkudde
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands709 Posts
October 12 2015 07:51 GMT
#7
I loved the League, I just wish you would start using your own maps again.
Seeing crazy stuff like Neo Arkanoid and great maps like King Sejong for the first time made me fall in love with PL in the first place.
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Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3176 Posts
October 12 2015 07:52 GMT
#8
Grand finals could use a bigger stage

Also I think it should be bigger event than post season 4th and 3rd place. They were BO3 but Finals was BO1...

That is what I could think of for now...

Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3176 Posts
October 12 2015 07:58 GMT
#9
On October 12 2015 16:51 Shkudde wrote:
I loved the League, I just wish you would start using your own maps again.
Seeing crazy stuff like Neo Arkanoid and great maps like King Sejong for the first time made me fall in love with PL in the first place.


Wait, those are maps made by PL? They were FANTASTIC!!!

They really should use those over the horrible map pool from Blizzard...
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
October 12 2015 08:12 GMT
#10
On October 12 2015 16:58 WrathSCII wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2015 16:51 Shkudde wrote:
I loved the League, I just wish you would start using your own maps again.
Seeing crazy stuff like Neo Arkanoid and great maps like King Sejong for the first time made me fall in love with PL in the first place.


Wait, those are maps made by PL? They were FANTASTIC!!!

They really should use those over the horrible map pool from Blizzard...

Not necessarily made by Proleague, but first adopted and used by it. Proleague has good taste in maps.

Anyway, my only suggestion would be to use all-kill format more. Maybe do two rounds in all-kill format and 2 rounds in proleague format. Or maybe alternate weeks between formats or something. We never get to see all-kill anymore outside of playoffs and it's fun.
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TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-12 08:16:22
October 12 2015 08:13 GMT
#11
First let me thank you and everyone involved in Proleague - it's my favourite StarCraft 2 competition and such a critical part of the scene!

Format was great as always (Bo5 or Bo7, that is up to you ), please keep the Proleague format. Allkill/Winners League in playoffs is okay, but I really prefer the PL-format for the regular rounds. It's more about the team than one star player carrying everything. In PL-format you need at least two.

Production value was great and there was interesting filler content (bring back 10 questions 10 answers maybe? That would be great!). Having english subtitles for filler videos would be great as well of course, it adds a lot of value to the english stream. I like that every player got to choose their own intro music.
One point I'd like to add: please try to use the same, fitting ingame-colours if possible (Jin Air always green, SKT always orange etc.) - of course stuff like red vs. orange has to be averted, but it always bugs me to see SKT in blue or something like that. It just doesn't feel right. :D

A really important point for me: I hope that you consider using self-made maps again - the KeSPA mapping team has such a great history of creating excellent maps and bringing new ideas to the table (hello, King Sejong Station!). Being dependent on Blizzard's vision of how maps should look like is... not so cool, to say the least.
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
October 12 2015 08:13 GMT
#12
On October 12 2015 16:58 WrathSCII wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2015 16:51 Shkudde wrote:
I loved the League, I just wish you would start using your own maps again.
Seeing crazy stuff like Neo Arkanoid and great maps like King Sejong for the first time made me fall in love with PL in the first place.


Wait, those are maps made by PL? They were FANTASTIC!!!

They really should use those over the horrible map pool from Blizzard...

You can do whatever you want but if you want WCS points you have to use Blizzard maps.
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Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
October 12 2015 08:15 GMT
#13
This season of Proleague was great, however I do have a few suggestions.

Like a above user said, I'd love to see Proleague go back to BO7, I think it requires the teams to have more depth, makes for more exciting matches and allows the rookies to see more play time.

I'd also love to see a return of player interviews and team house tours. 2013 was my favorite season partially because of this, we had so, so many interviews with the likes of INnoVation, Flash, JangBi, Shine, sOs, Stork, etc so we got emphasize with our favorite players.

I'd also love some more map experimentation next season. 2013 was, again my favorite season because we had a huge number of cool new maps and the games were very different and, in a lot of ways fun. I'm not saying have as many new maps per round as the 2013 season had, but at least have 1-2 new maps per round. KeSPA map makers are also extremely good, we had gems like Neo Planet S and King Sejong Station make it into the ladder, I'd love to have more of those to play with.

Last but definitely not least, bring back mind time!
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gdarky
Profile Joined August 2014
Latvia78 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-12 08:21:49
October 12 2015 08:16 GMT
#14
All-kill is the most entertaining format of the team games in StarCraft. I don't understand why you don't use it in regular season? Of couse, it will make opportunity for some teams to use 1 skilled player, but other team can make a snipers for him. If you will use BO7 all kill, you will create a star-level players for every team and will use them for advertising.

You need to surprise people. Not only by pizza who came to arena, but for the guys, who watch games in internet. You can try to gift branded stuff, but it's not give you huge increase in viewers. So you can try to give players prizes for "combo" series of win in all kill format or give bounty prize for guys who beat team captain. Every team have a captain, but their role means nothing on video, they need to represent team and be the huge part of the game.

Also, you can play with maps format. Maybe maps can be choose by random for the next match up, to make some fun.

One more thing. As StarCraft fan, who played in different era and watching Korea scene since ∽ 2000-2001, i want to know more about main persons of the game. Who they are now? You see audience interests in Nada life, but you can use more players for your ads. Find a Garimto, IntoTheRain, Boxer, V-Gundam, Silent_Control and etc. Use them as the part of SC legacy, show the respect to the guys, who spent years for the game and now gone unknown.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
October 12 2015 08:19 GMT
#15
Bring back 10Q10A with a Sojung replacement pls
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Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2634 Posts
October 12 2015 08:21 GMT
#16
Not sure what other's think but maybe we could have some Archon Mode games integrated? Proleague IS a team league after all and Archon Mode would be a pretty good way to give exposure to less popular names. It might be a stretch but maybe Ace Matches would be played in Archon Mode or maybe the first game of the Bo7 would be in Archon Mode.

Besides that I think it'd be cool to have more interviews (either Live or Pre-recorded). I'd love to hear players smack talk each other before games.
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Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3176 Posts
October 12 2015 08:22 GMT
#17
On October 12 2015 17:13 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2015 16:58 WrathSCII wrote:
On October 12 2015 16:51 Shkudde wrote:
I loved the League, I just wish you would start using your own maps again.
Seeing crazy stuff like Neo Arkanoid and great maps like King Sejong for the first time made me fall in love with PL in the first place.


Wait, those are maps made by PL? They were FANTASTIC!!!

They really should use those over the horrible map pool from Blizzard...

You can do whatever you want but if you want WCS points you have to use Blizzard maps.


Blizzard really should let the system that worked for over 10 years alone without spoiling it ...
KeSPA proved its success in this field and it should be handling all the Korean stuff (Including the GSL and SSL). They know how to handle it.

radagastthe3rd
Profile Joined December 2014
United States12 Posts
October 12 2015 08:24 GMT
#18
I absolutely love the all-kill format and hope to see it in the future.

The normal weekly format is good. Ace matches are super hype!

Also, mad props to Kespa for their charts/graphics. Stats have never been so sexy
YSMS
Profile Joined April 2015
China35 Posts
October 12 2015 08:28 GMT
#19
spl is pretty good now, but i hope there will be a SWL in next year's proleague, all-kill format makes matches more intersting and exciting.
also i think proleague should build their own maps, because spl is one of the most high-level league, the maps they create is good and interesting(plants, king sejung station, etc.)
For stream, i hope we can see some first personal shoot of game, we can learner some skill from progamer and we can be closer with match.
last, thanks for SPL, there were a lots of memorable games and moments. hope SPL will be better in next year!
Calt
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany1140 Posts
October 12 2015 08:30 GMT
#20
As others have said, bo7 would be awesome in the regular season. I understand if it can't be done because of time constraints though.

Another thing is for me personally is the schedule; I think the 2014 season had a nicer schedule because of the Sunday games. Now I often can't watch live at all since both days are during the week! Then again I'm sure there are people who like the current schedule more.

Like other people in the thread have said, more english filler content such as 10Q10A, recorded interviews and team house tours would be amazing.

Possibly most importantly, a HUGE thumbs up for the idea of using and experimenting with more custom, Kespa made maps! Not only do they give fun games (especially in Proleague where players prepare so specifically for the map) but it also helps the entire scene by showcasing maps that could later be adopted to WCS and other tournaments.

Anyway, even though there is always room for improvement, these are only relatively small things. Proleague was amazing this year and I'm sure it will be amazing in 2016 as well!
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