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Ever since Heart of the Swarm was released, every GSL finals has featured one or more player who would go on to join SK Telecom T1, was a current member of SK Telecom T1, or was previously a member of SK Telecom T1.
2013 WCS Season 1 Korea
Runner up - STX INnoVation
Winner - Woongjin Stars Soulkey
Both of these players went on to join SK Telecom with Soulkey joining in 2013, and INoVation joining in 2014.
I am not including the second season of the 2013 WCS Korea, because the event was run by Ongamenet, even though the runner up of this even was an SK Telecom T1 player, Rain.
2013 WCS Season 3 Korea
Runner up - SK Telecom T1 soO
Winner - SouL Dear
This was also the beginning of soO's GSL run, where he was the finalist for 4 season in a row.
2014 Global StarCraft II League Season 1
Runner up - SK Telecom T1 soO
Winner - KT Rolster Zest
2014 Global StarCraft II League Season 2
Runner up - SK Telecom T1 soO
Winner - SK Telecom T1 Classic
2014 Global StarCraft II League Season 3
Runner up - SK Telecom T1 soO
Winner - SK Telecom T1 INnoVation
2015 Global StarCraft II League Season 1
Runner up - yoe Flash Wolves PartinG
Winner - KT Rolster Life
PartinG was a former player for SK Telecom, playing with them from 2013 to 2014
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That would be because they money coming out of their ass
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this just reminded me of the soOner-up era :o
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Another way to look at it, is second place finishers all have skt1 blood in them.
SKong Telecom T1
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Not surprised, SKT breeds and buys champions 
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Not terribly surprising considering soO alone takes care of 4 of the 6 GSLs.
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
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So this means Rain, PartinG, Dream or INnoVation make the GSL finals, right?
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On May 30 2015 05:23 Elentos wrote:
So this means Rain, PartinG, Dream or INnoVation make the GSL finals, right?
Perhaps 
I actually do think that Dream will make it to both the GSL and SSL finals.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On May 30 2015 05:23 Elentos wrote:
So this means Rain, PartinG, Dream or INnoVation make the GSL finals, right?
The Dream
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On May 30 2015 05:25 DevotioN_00 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 05:23 Elentos wrote:
So this means Rain, PartinG, Dream or INnoVation make the GSL finals, right? Perhaps I actually do think that Dream will make it to both the GSL and SSL finals.
If so, he'll be the first player to get simultaneous ssl and gsl silvers
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On May 30 2015 06:26 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 05:25 DevotioN_00 wrote:On May 30 2015 05:23 Elentos wrote:
So this means Rain, PartinG, Dream or INnoVation make the GSL finals, right? Perhaps I actually do think that Dream will make it to both the GSL and SSL finals. If so, he'll be the first player to get simultaneous ssl and gsl silvers
As much as I absolutely love Stats, if Dream reaches the SSL finals that tournament is pretty much his.
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Dream is one of the best players, imo. I would be surprised if he didn't get to at least one finals this time around.
Given his current opponent's form for SSL, he should have the game in the bag, haha. But it'll be interesting since he has his GSL match (for his group) against the same person as his quarter finals match.
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On May 30 2015 06:39 Blargh wrote:
Dream is one of the best players, imo. I would be surprised if he didn't get to at least one finals this time around.
Given his current opponent's form for SSL, he should have the game in the bag, haha. But it'll be interesting since he has his GSL match (for his group) against the same person as his quarter finals match.
Yes, given herO's form, having scored a convincing win against Maru, Dream should have this in the bag. ?
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So basically, SKT has lost almost all finals of premier KR starcraft in recent times
2013
WCS S1 GSL Runner up: later SKT star INnoVation
WCS S2 OSL Runner up: SKT Rain
WCS S3 GSL Runner up: SKT soO
2014
GSL s1 runner up: SKT soO
GSL s2 runner up: SKT soO
GSL s3 runner up: SKT soO
GSL GC runner up: SKT parting
SPL runner up: SKT T1, the whole team
2015
GSL s1 runner up: ex-SKT Parting
S2SL s1 runner up: SKT Dream
Kespa cup s1 runner up: SKT Dark
S2SL s2 runner up: SKT dream or classic
+ Show Spoiler +Ok, not exactly second, but Classic was semifinalist in Kespa cup 2014
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On May 30 2015 07:12 neptunusfisk wrote:
So basically, SKT has lost all finals of premier KR starcraft in recent times
Haha, thats another way to put it
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On May 30 2015 04:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Not surprised, SKT breeds and buys champions
more like breeding second places if you count finals per person
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On May 30 2015 07:19 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 04:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Not surprised, SKT breeds and buys champions more like breeding second places if you count finals per person
Still impressive nonetheless ^^
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On May 30 2015 07:12 neptunusfisk wrote:So basically, SKT has lost all finals of premier KR starcraft in recent times 2013 WCS S1 GSL Runner up: later SKT star INnoVation WCS S2 OSL Runner up: SKT Rain WCS S3 GSL Runner up: SKT soO 2014 GSL s1 runner up: SKT soO GSL s2 runner up: SKT soO GSL s3 runner up: SKT soO SPL runner up: SKT T1, the whole team 2015 GSL s1 runner up: ex-SKT Parting S2SL s1 runner up: SKT Dream Kespa cup s1 runner up: SKT Dark + Show Spoiler +Ok, not exactly second, but Classic was semifinalist in Kespa cup 2014
You missed Hot6ix Cup which had MarineKing vs sOs finals.
But other than that, a (former or future) member of either of the Telecom giants has been in every finals of premier KR Starcraft for a while, yeh.
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On May 30 2015 07:21 DevotioN_00 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 07:19 boxerfred wrote:On May 30 2015 04:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Not surprised, SKT breeds and buys champions more like breeding second places if you count finals per person Still impressive nonetheless ^^
If you are impressed by identifying successful players and using your inherent financial advantage to buy them then you are easily and wrongfully impressed.
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On May 30 2015 07:32 Balfazar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 07:21 DevotioN_00 wrote:On May 30 2015 07:19 boxerfred wrote:On May 30 2015 04:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Not surprised, SKT breeds and buys champions more like breeding second places if you count finals per person Still impressive nonetheless ^^ If you are impressed by identifying successful players and using your inherent financial advantage to buy them then you are easily and wrongfully impressed.
soO reached 4 GSL finals in a row and he wasn't a successful player they bought with their inherent advantage. Same with Classic. Hell INnoVation was in one of the weaker phases in his HotS career when they picked him up.
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On May 30 2015 07:32 Balfazar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 07:21 DevotioN_00 wrote:On May 30 2015 07:19 boxerfred wrote:On May 30 2015 04:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Not surprised, SKT breeds and buys champions more like breeding second places if you count finals per person Still impressive nonetheless ^^ If you are impressed by identifying successful players and using your inherent financial advantage to buy them then you are easily and wrongfully impressed.
soO and Rain both joined SKT back in Brood War and never accomplished anything worthwhile until after they switched to SC2.
Dark, originally on SlayerS, did not achieve anything worthwhile until after he joined SKT. Same with Dream, except Dream was originally on MVP.
Classic had a very bad start to his SC2 career, and did not start doing well until after he joined SKT (with an exception being a really good performance in the Proleague finals versus Woongjin when he was still on STX).
None of the players that I listed were picked up during the peaks of their careers, you can even argue that INnoVation was in a bit of a slump when he joined SKT.
EDIT: I had forgotten about Dream getting to the finals of an IEM once, against YoDa I think it was.
EDIT 2: It was against First.
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On May 30 2015 07:22 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 07:12 neptunusfisk wrote:So basically, SKT has lost all finals of premier KR starcraft in recent times 2013 WCS S1 GSL Runner up: later SKT star INnoVation WCS S2 OSL Runner up: SKT Rain WCS S3 GSL Runner up: SKT soO 2014 GSL s1 runner up: SKT soO GSL s2 runner up: SKT soO GSL s3 runner up: SKT soO SPL runner up: SKT T1, the whole team 2015 GSL s1 runner up: ex-SKT Parting S2SL s1 runner up: SKT Dream Kespa cup s1 runner up: SKT Dark + Show Spoiler +Ok, not exactly second, but Classic was semifinalist in Kespa cup 2014 You missed Hot6ix Cup which had MarineKing vs sOs finals. But other than that, a (former or future) member of either of the Telecom giants has been in every finals of premier KR Starcraft for a while, yeh.
Also the 2014 GSL Global Championship, with Zest winning and PartinG (SKT) getting second.
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On May 30 2015 06:41 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 06:39 Blargh wrote:
Dream is one of the best players, imo. I would be surprised if he didn't get to at least one finals this time around.
Given his current opponent's form for SSL, he should have the game in the bag, haha. But it'll be interesting since he has his GSL match (for his group) against the same person as his quarter finals match. Yes, given herO's form, having scored a convincing win against Maru, Dream should have this in the bag. ?
Well, I'm not saying herO is bad or anything. But he DID just lose to Departure and Yonghwa, neither of which should beat him. Obviously, winning 3-2 against Maru is more impressive than those 2 PL losses (Bo5>>>>>Bo1's too). I just think that Dream's TvP is really strong and he has looked in better shape lately. I probably worded it poorly by putting the "for SSL" at the end, since it makes it sound like I was referring to herO's performance solely in SSL.
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On May 30 2015 06:26 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 05:25 DevotioN_00 wrote:On May 30 2015 05:23 Elentos wrote:
So this means Rain, PartinG, Dream or INnoVation make the GSL finals, right? Perhaps I actually do think that Dream will make it to both the GSL and SSL finals. If so, he'll be the first player to get simultaneous ssl and gsl silvers
If he does this, they've got to give him a special KongSL award, right?
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Bisutopia19350 Posts
Nothing SKT fans didn't know. But since we are having fun here:
What do you call a Mongolian who comes in second place?
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SKTelekong in full effect
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On May 30 2015 07:18 DevotioN_00 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 07:12 neptunusfisk wrote:
So basically, SKT has lost all finals of premier KR starcraft in recent times
Haha, thats another way to put it
I think you forgot that Classic and INnoVation also won GSL's last year while being on SKT
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On May 30 2015 07:12 neptunusfisk wrote:So basically, SKT has lost all finals of premier KR starcraft in recent times 2013 WCS S1 GSL Runner up: later SKT star INnoVation WCS S2 OSL Runner up: SKT Rain WCS S3 GSL Runner up: SKT soO 2014 GSL s1 runner up: SKT soO GSL s2 runner up: SKT soO GSL s3 runner up: SKT soO SPL runner up: SKT T1, the whole team 2015 GSL s1 runner up: ex-SKT Parting S2SL s1 runner up: SKT Dream Kespa cup s1 runner up: SKT Dark + Show Spoiler +Ok, not exactly second, but Classic was semifinalist in Kespa cup 2014
LOL, your forget that SKT Classic and SKT INnoVation won one GSL each last year is !!!!!!
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On May 30 2015 11:02 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 07:12 neptunusfisk wrote:So basically, SKT has lost all finals of premier KR starcraft in recent times 2013 WCS S1 GSL Runner up: later SKT star INnoVation WCS S2 OSL Runner up: SKT Rain WCS S3 GSL Runner up: SKT soO 2014 GSL s1 runner up: SKT soO GSL s2 runner up: SKT soO GSL s3 runner up: SKT soO SPL runner up: SKT T1, the whole team 2015 GSL s1 runner up: ex-SKT Parting S2SL s1 runner up: SKT Dream Kespa cup s1 runner up: SKT Dark + Show Spoiler +Ok, not exactly second, but Classic was semifinalist in Kespa cup 2014 LOL, your forget that SKT Classic and SKT INnoVation won one GSL each last year is !!!!!!
When your team has two players in a finals, you both win and lose them.
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On May 30 2015 08:21 Blargh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 06:41 Elentos wrote:On May 30 2015 06:39 Blargh wrote:
Dream is one of the best players, imo. I would be surprised if he didn't get to at least one finals this time around.
Given his current opponent's form for SSL, he should have the game in the bag, haha. But it'll be interesting since he has his GSL match (for his group) against the same person as his quarter finals match. Yes, given herO's form, having scored a convincing win against Maru, Dream should have this in the bag. ? Well, I'm not saying herO is bad or anything. But he DID just lose to Departure and Yonghwa, neither of which should beat him. Obviously, winning 3-2 against Maru is more impressive than those 2 PL losses (Bo5>>>>>Bo1's too). I just think that Dream's TvP is really strong and he has looked in better shape lately. I probably worded it poorly by putting the "for SSL" at the end, since it makes it sound like I was referring to herO's performance solely in SSL.
LOL, none of Departure and Yonghwa look to me like Terrans, herO‘s PvT is too good...
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On May 30 2015 10:10 BisuDagger wrote:Nothing SKT fans didn't know. But since we are having fun here: What do you call a Mongolian who comes in second place? + Show Spoiler +
LOL :D
edit: spoiler to not ruin joke
+ Show Spoiler +Genghis should be soO's new nickname
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On May 30 2015 07:22 Elentos wrote:
You missed Hot6ix Cup which had MarineKing vs sOs finals.
On May 30 2015 10:58 MiniFotToss wrote:
I think you forgot that Classic and INnoVation also won GSL's last year while being on SKT
Oh, I missed pretty much every tournament and placement that wasn't SKT getting a silver. I also missed that the point of my post was to make an exhaustive list of tournament placements in recent years... I guess you can go to liquipedia and read about those tournaments since I failed so hard to list them all.
On May 30 2015 08:14 Neemi wrote:
Also the 2014 GSL Global Championship, with Zest winning and PartinG (SKT) getting second.
Yes, thank you, edited my post
Also, curiously enough 2 of 3 remaining 3SL players are SKT so theres a good chance for them to lose it as well.
Only bogus, rain and parting representing SKT legacy in GSL ro8 though.
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what a surprise thread created by an SKT fan boy.. i guess when you cant win team leagues you gotta find something to gloat about.
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On May 30 2015 03:58 DevotioN_00 wrote:
Ever Heart of the Swarm was released, every GSL finals has featured one or more player who would go on to join SK Telecom T1, was a current member of SK Telecom T1, or was previously a member of SK Telecom T1.
2013 WCS Season 1 Korea
Runner up - STX INnoVation
Winner - Woongjin Stars Soulkey
Both of these players went on to join SK Telecom with Soulkey joining in 2013, and INoVation joining in 2014.
I am not including the second season of the 2013 WCS Korea, because the event was run by Ongamenet, even though the runner up of this even was an SK Telecom T1 player, Rain.
2013 WCS Season 3 Korea
Runner up - SK Telecom T1 soO
Winner - SouL Dear
This was also the beginning of soO's GSL run, where he was the finalist for 4 season in a row.
2014 Global StarCraft II League Season 1
Runner up - SK Telecom T1 soO
Winner - KT Rolster Zest
2014 Global StarCraft II League Season 2
Runner up - SK Telecom T1 soO
Winner - SK Telecom T1 Classic
2014 Global StarCraft II League Season 3
Runner up - SK Telecom T1 soO
Winner - SK Telecom T1 INnoVation
2015 Global StarCraft II League Season 1
Runner up - yoe Flash Wolves PartinG
Winner - KT Rolster Life
PartinG was a former player for SK Telecom, playing with them from 2013 to 2014
While this is true, a lot of the reason is that soO lost the majority of those finals .
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Australia18228 Posts
So when does Zoun get his GSL runner-up?
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Russian Federation421 Posts
On May 30 2015 03:58 DevotioN_00 wrote:
Ever Heart of the Swarm was released, every GSL finals has featured one or more player who would go on to join SK Telecom T1, was a current member of SK Telecom T1, or was previously a member of SK Telecom T1.
2013 WCS Season 1 Korea
Runner up - STX INnoVation
Winner - Woongjin Stars Soulkey
Both of these players went on to join SK Telecom with Soulkey joining in 2013, and INoVation joining in 2014.
I am not including the second season of the 2013 WCS Korea, because the event was run by Ongamenet, even though the runner up of this even was an SK Telecom T1 player, Rain.
2013 WCS Season 3 Korea
Runner up - SK Telecom T1 soO
Winner - SouL Dear
This was also the beginning of soO's GSL run, where he was the finalist for 4 season in a row.
2014 Global StarCraft II League Season 1
Runner up - SK Telecom T1 soO
Winner - KT Rolster Zest
2014 Global StarCraft II League Season 2
Runner up - SK Telecom T1 soO
Winner - SK Telecom T1 Classic
2014 Global StarCraft II League Season 3
Runner up - SK Telecom T1 soO
Winner - SK Telecom T1 INnoVation
2015 Global StarCraft II League Season 1
Runner up - yoe Flash Wolves PartinG
Winner - KT Rolster Life
PartinG was a former player for SK Telecom, playing with them from 2013 to 2014
Correlation doesn't mean causation. Also using players who would be in SKT in future makes these stats totally useless even for incorrect predictions.
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On May 30 2015 07:49 DevotioN_00 wrote:
soO and Rain both joined SKT back in Brood War and never accomplished anything worthwhile until after they switched to SC2.
Rain (By.Sun then) I think won Rookie of the year and I always rated him as a useful and talented player (didn't he all-kill a team in Proleague once?). soO was an SKT Zerg...
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How is counting Innovation and Soulkey from 2013 even relevant? If you're trying to show that SKT1 breeds and nurtures future champions, what do those 2 results show other than they bought 2 former champions and that they had the money to do so? It'd be like claiming Life's past wins for KT before he was on the team as somehow something to do with them.
And didn't they buy Innovation as he started or was in the middle of his starleague win? That's a massive stretch. And Parting was on the team for a long time and never won anything, then he leaves and he's counted too? If Rain wins this season do we count him as well? How about if the next season a former member wins, how long do you decide to keep counting former members?
I'm sorry, but this seems like a really irrelevant list of stats.
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On June 08 2015 22:49 Subversive wrote:
How is counting Innovation and Soulkey from 2013 even relevant? If you're trying to show that SKT1 breeds and nurtures future champions, what do those 2 results show other than they bought 2 former champions and that they had the money to do so? It'd be like claiming Life's past wins for KT before he was on the team as somehow something to do with them.
And didn't they buy Innovation as he started or was in the middle of his starleague win? That's a massive stretch. And Parting was on the team for a long time and never won anything, then he leaves and he's counted too? If Rain wins this season do we count him as well? How about if the next season a former member wins, how long do you decide to keep counting former members?
I'm sorry, but this seems like a really irrelevant list of stats.
It's to allow SKT fans to feel good, don't kill their fun like that
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Bisutopia19350 Posts
On June 08 2015 22:49 Subversive wrote:
How is counting Innovation and Soulkey from 2013 even relevant? If you're trying to show that SKT1 breeds and nurtures future champions, what do those 2 results show other than they bought 2 former champions and that they had the money to do so? It'd be like claiming Life's past wins for KT before he was on the team as somehow something to do with them.
And didn't they buy Innovation as he started or was in the middle of his starleague win? That's a massive stretch. And Parting was on the team for a long time and never won anything, then he leaves and he's counted too? If Rain wins this season do we count him as well? How about if the next season a former member wins, how long do you decide to keep counting former members?
I'm sorry, but this seems like a really irrelevant list of stats.
Don't call Stats irrelevant. Just because KT didn't play him this morning doesn't mean we should treat him like the  Invisible Terran!
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On June 08 2015 22:52 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 22:49 Subversive wrote:
How is counting Innovation and Soulkey from 2013 even relevant? If you're trying to show that SKT1 breeds and nurtures future champions, what do those 2 results show other than they bought 2 former champions and that they had the money to do so? It'd be like claiming Life's past wins for KT before he was on the team as somehow something to do with them.
And didn't they buy Innovation as he started or was in the middle of his starleague win? That's a massive stretch. And Parting was on the team for a long time and never won anything, then he leaves and he's counted too? If Rain wins this season do we count him as well? How about if the next season a former member wins, how long do you decide to keep counting former members?
I'm sorry, but this seems like a really irrelevant list of stats. It's to allow SKT fans to feel good, don't kill their fun like that
Yeah I guess so :/.
I should add, I appreciate the effort the OP made. And he does have a point, that is a lot of SKT1 names, especially in the soO, Classic and other soO finals. However coming second in so many finals is less than stellar. Not to mention that KT actually WON two of these finals, which makes SKT1's one win with Classic seem pretty paltry.
And it irks me that great past teams like STX and Woonjinn are totally ignored. STX/SouL have a win and end of season finals win with Dear against Soulkey (I am counting the end of season finals, because not to do so is silly), and in addition to Innovation's already mentioned second, his first against sOs (end of season).
I don't mind the effort however the focus and results seem particularly skewed. If you just cherry pick the GSL, don't count the OSL, don't count any end of season finals, and count people who won wayyyy before they were on team then yes, SKT1 is totally in everything -_-.
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On June 08 2015 23:32 Subversive wrote:
don't count the OSL
Aside from the fact that even 2nd place finishes in Starleagues are very impressive, you know SKT Rain was in the OSL finals which really just supports the OP's point, which is also not something that should be taken too serious?
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On June 08 2015 23:44 Elentos wrote:Aside from the fact that even 2nd place finishes in Starleagues are very impressive, you know SKT Rain was in the OSL finals which really just supports the OP's point, which is also not something that should be taken too serious?
True, good point, but that's another one they didn't win. And it's not about taking it seriously, it does say 'fun fact' at the start but it's totally misrepresentative which doesn't make it fun at all just really annoying.
For the record, I like SKT1. I don't support them, but I think they're a powerhouse team with a great record. I just think this is giving them more credit than they deserve.
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This is a spoiler.
It is confirmed: SKT will lose S2SL S2 as well, with either classic or dream.
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On June 11 2015 20:48 neptunusfisk wrote:
This is a spoiler.
It is confirmed: SKT will lose S2SL S2 as well, with either classic or dream.
They may win GSL :p. They just need to buy Curious and sOs before next week and they can be added to the OP's list.
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On June 15 2015 00:54 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 20:48 neptunusfisk wrote:
This is a spoiler.
It is confirmed: SKT will lose S2SL S2 as well, with either classic or dream. buy sOs
I don't think that's gonna be easy.
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On May 30 2015 05:25 DevotioN_00 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 05:23 Elentos wrote:
So this means Rain, PartinG, Dream or INnoVation make the GSL finals, right? Perhaps I actually do think that Dream will make it to both the GSL and SSL finals.
Because Dream is the best player in the world. Who the hell are Maru, Life and Parting? Dream will do something that those players above have failed to do on many occasions.
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On June 15 2015 01:02 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 00:54 Subversive wrote:On June 11 2015 20:48 neptunusfisk wrote:
This is a spoiler.
It is confirmed: SKT will lose S2SL S2 as well, with either classic or dream. buy sOs I don't think that's gonna be easy.
You underestimate the power of the SKT1 rising.
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