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league
Profile Joined January 2012
Peru58 Posts
August 12 2014 07:06 GMT
#201
On August 10 2014 11:03 therabit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2014 10:27 tomastaz wrote:
Seriously is he not practicing? Losing in 4th place T_T


His mechanic was good in the game that I saw, but it seems like he's lacking fundamental understanding of the game (when to stop dropping, when to start viking, how many etc.) SKT need a top tier terran there to help him


His macro needs to improve. He's always floating lots of minerals pre-midgame
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
August 12 2014 07:11 GMT
#202
On August 12 2014 15:42 Wolf wrote:
Based on this interview at the SPL finals, I think we can confirm that this meaningless.

Is there a link or summary of the interview?
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
phil.ipp
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria1067 Posts
August 12 2014 07:11 GMT
#203
how could he not macro good enough?

i thought he was one of the best BW players, and in BW it was far more difficult to macro?
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
August 12 2014 07:17 GMT
#204
I don´t think Fantasy is able to survive outside of SKT.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-13 10:01:31
August 13 2014 10:01 GMT
#205
On August 12 2014 16:11 phil.ipp wrote:
how could he not macro good enough?

i thought he was one of the best BW players, and in BW it was far more difficult to macro?


To put it bluntly FanTaSys macro compared to someone like Flash wasn't very good. However he was the terrorist for a reason. His constant harassment everywhere on the map with dropships and vulture runbys pulled his opponents apart quite literally. He may not have had perfect macro, but his micro, gamesense and sheer tactical advantage over his opponents was unrivalled.

I would like to see this proleague finals interview if anyone has a link.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-13 10:13:50
August 13 2014 10:13 GMT
#206
On August 12 2014 16:11 phil.ipp wrote:
how could he not macro good enough?

i thought he was one of the best BW players, and in BW it was far more difficult to macro?


This is true BUT you need to adapt to SC2. For exemple a Tank take more supply in SC2 that in BW. So when you play marine tank for an example you saw a lot of BW good player get supply block and i'm sure it's hard to have ten years of "2supply tank" changed into 3.

Also as someone said Fantasy had good macro but not top tier macro. But you know oov had a bad macro. And he was outproducing everyone at the time because he put more production facilty to lower the gap of the macro. (or something like that i don't remember exactly)

But Fantasy had top tier multi tasking
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
battleboy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany60 Posts
August 13 2014 10:39 GMT
#207
FFW_Rude i heard iloveoov was the BW macro king together with flash. Is that wrong?
StarCraft <3
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 14 2014 00:45 GMT
#208
On August 13 2014 19:39 battleboy wrote:
FFW_Rude i heard iloveoov was the BW macro king together with flash. Is that wrong?

what FFW_Rude wrote was correct. iloveoov would put more production facilities which helped him with macro. I think his greatest strength was the risk taking. An example that I've heard, he'll be defending or attacking someone and would double expand. To me, decision making and what FFW_Rude wrote are why he was called the macro king. Flash was also a macro king. This is why Flash was a macro king:

...
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
August 14 2014 12:08 GMT
#209
On August 13 2014 19:39 battleboy wrote:
FFW_Rude i heard iloveoov was the BW macro king together with flash. Is that wrong?


Here you go. Read that

It's really nice

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/final-edits/67171-i-loved-victory-part-one
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
August 16 2014 18:06 GMT
#210
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/464961-plu2014-starcraft-sino-korean-carnival#interviews
according to Bisu, Fantasy is not retiring, but he didn't specify whether he left.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
August 16 2014 19:01 GMT
#211
What fantasy no

Fantasy is so integral to SKT's representation though ;;
Come motivate me to be cynical about animus at http://infinityandone.blogspot.com/ // Stork proxy gates are beautiful.
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
August 16 2014 19:07 GMT
#212
On August 14 2014 09:45 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 19:39 battleboy wrote:
FFW_Rude i heard iloveoov was the BW macro king together with flash. Is that wrong?

what FFW_Rude wrote was correct. iloveoov would put more production facilities which helped him with macro. I think his greatest strength was the risk taking. An example that I've heard, he'll be defending or attacking someone and would double expand. To me, decision making and what FFW_Rude wrote are why he was called the macro king. Flash was also a macro king. This is why Flash was a macro king:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXH8eCcvQMI
...


It's not exactly like that. The reason why oov was so good at the time (as obvious as the next part may sound) is that he sacrificed early "timings"/safety and tech based off like 1-2 groups of units of 1 base for multiple expansions pre-13 minutes or so while NOBODY else really would. Then it didn't really matter if he was keeping up mechanically or not because timings to attack in the mid-to-late game weren't as sharp back then and thus oov could simply lolol and press t on all his factories.

Flash (and also JD) were good not only because they made timings that changed strategies, but also because they just mastered/refined stuff mechanically before everyone else.
Come motivate me to be cynical about animus at http://infinityandone.blogspot.com/ // Stork proxy gates are beautiful.
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-16 19:24:13
August 16 2014 19:23 GMT
#213
Fantasy will stay in SKT
hes the heart and soul of the team
tomastaz
Profile Joined January 2013
United States976 Posts
August 20 2014 00:15 GMT
#214
On August 12 2014 15:42 Wolf wrote:
Based on this interview at the SPL finals, I think we can confirm that this meaningless.

I don't think you can just not provide a link to this Wolf!!
No church in the wild --- @tzhang0126
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
September 03 2014 09:48 GMT
#215
sad to see skt1 getting rid of their legends in such a manner :/
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
September 03 2014 09:50 GMT
#216
On August 14 2014 21:08 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 19:39 battleboy wrote:
FFW_Rude i heard iloveoov was the BW macro king together with flash. Is that wrong?


Here you go. Read that

It's really nice

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/final-edits/67171-i-loved-victory-part-one

all this macro talk and oov mentions while it's a fact that reach was _THE_ original macro monster god bakemono kami man myth legend.
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
September 03 2014 10:41 GMT
#217
Haha what the fuck is going on?
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
September 03 2014 10:54 GMT
#218
Fantasy not being on SKT would just be too weird.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
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