The ultimate question: who's behind Clauf/Azubu - Page 2

Waise

3165 Posts

June 05 2014 02:30 GMT

#21

On June 05 2014 10:57 EJK wrote:
so he is essentially a white collar criminal? Similar to bernie maddoff?

"white collar criminal" is a term invented by middle to upper class (mostly white) people to excuse themselves from breaking the law and stepping on people for their own gain. they try to paint themselves as different from poor minorities who cheat or steal or use drugs, but the irony is those people at least have the "excuse" of lacking social resources to better themselves, whereas "white collar criminals" are just exploiting the system to gain wealth despite already being well off.

EJK

United States1302 Posts

June 05 2014 02:32 GMT

#22

On June 05 2014 11:30 Waise wrote:

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i know what it is, i just don't know what kind of criminal kim is being referred too, i would assume it is white collar coz of how much money he has

anemoneya

58 Posts

June 05 2014 04:14 GMT

#23

On June 05 2014 11:08 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Hasn't it been known at least since the Azuwho thread that their was a large possibility that Kim Seok Ki was involved with Azubu? Since most people know that Clauf is basically Azubu, I don't see exactly what's new about this.

Yeah, but there's difference.

First, people thought the companies are for money laundry or some shady business. Now with new information and posts from frodan, torte, etc, it's likely that two companies didn't have ill intentions. They just failed hard.

Second, we knew clauf was somewhat related to Azubu, but we couldn't relate them directly to Kim. People just thought Sapinda blindly invested in Clauf and appointed CEO. I'm suggesting that Kim used his own money and paid through Sapinda to start business, which failed again. Moreover I'm warning people to stay away from this criminal Kim, if possible.

Darkhorse

United States23455 Posts

June 05 2014 04:16 GMT

#24

On June 05 2014 11:30 Waise wrote:

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Oh. When I use the phrase "white collar criminal" I just use it as someone who broke the law in some kind of business setting. Doesn't mean I think of them as better than any other type of criminal.

Xiphos

Canada7507 Posts

June 05 2014 04:22 GMT

#25

Great even more esport drama.....just what we need more off. As if there aren't more of it already....

I'd say that I'm kind of rather intrigued by the amount of effort that went through into writing this piece :D

anemoneya

58 Posts

June 05 2014 04:25 GMT

#26

When they say "Sapinda invests 35 mil to Azubu", I hear "Kim spends 35 mil on Azubu"
When they say "Sapinda decided to close down ESGN", I hear "Kim decided to close down ESGN"

or you can just say Sapinda = Kim. Kim is part of Sapinda or close enough to make investment through it.

All I need now is hearing whether ex-Clauf employee ever saw or heard of Kim when they were working in Berlin.
Or if they know there's some shady figure that Clauf's management team gets orders from.

I think when the CEO or management talks on the phone to Sapinda and they speak in Korean, it must be Kim on the other side of the phone.

caznitch

Canada645 Posts

June 05 2014 04:26 GMT

#27

Judging the replies, Id guess 2 people that have responded have actually read the article.

Taf the Ghost

United States11751 Posts

June 05 2014 04:44 GMT

#28

I think the main take away: whoever is running Clauf/Azubu behind the scenes, is actually pretty terrible at it.

Running a business well (regardless of the financial outcome) isn't that hard, from a structural point of view. It just takes a lot of time & energy. But basic management skills. Which seems to be badly lacking.

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