The WCS Europe Ro32 ended with Europe pulling off another "hold," this time thanks to the efforts of Grubby and mouz.VortiX. The Korean Protoss player Ai.Patience appeared to be one of the favorites headed into the group, but lost to both Grubby and VortiX as he was eliminated from the group alongside Polish Zerg d.Tefel.
With Grubby and VortiX advancing out of the final group of the Ro32, the groups for the Ro16 have been determined. The Ro16 will be played from June 9th to June 12th, from ESL's studio in Cologne.
On June 01 2014 21:55 Nine Gates wrote: I suppose the theme of this season is inevitability. Despite all the times Europe managed to hold, we're still terrifyingly close to a 7-korean Ro8.
On June 01 2014 21:55 Nine Gates wrote: I suppose the theme of this season is inevitability. Despite all the times Europe managed to hold, we're still terrifyingly close to a 7-korean Ro8.
No, atleast 2 non-koreans will make it.
First, Golden Yoda, MC ForGG Stardust San
That makes 7 koreans (unless you were making a joke that ForGG is french). Of course I could see a foreigner from Group A, as well as ForGG getting eliminated which would mean 3 foreigners in Ro8. #Dreaming
Terrible groups, we will most likely see 6-7 Koreans in the top 8. The only interesting group is group C. This format cant be the future for WCS EU, it bores people to death.
On June 01 2014 23:54 marcesr wrote: Terrible groups, we will most likely see 6-7 Koreans in the top 8. The only interesting group is group C. This format cant be the future for WCS EU, it bores people to death.
boring for you is not boring for everyone
On June 02 2014 00:14 herMan wrote: MMA why did you lose to livezerg. I still can't comprehend how he could bomb out in the ro32
On June 01 2014 23:54 marcesr wrote: Terrible groups, we will most likely see 6-7 Koreans in the top 8. The only interesting group is group C. This format cant be the future for WCS EU, it bores people to death.
because all koreans raped trough the last group too right ? ...
do you even hear you talking ? and boring for you means just you have a shitty taste xD
rly nice groups will be rly exiting to watch and i dont think the kors have a freewin!!!
On June 01 2014 23:54 marcesr wrote: Terrible groups, we will most likely see 6-7 Koreans in the top 8. The only interesting group is group C. This format cant be the future for WCS EU, it bores people to death.
On June 01 2014 23:54 marcesr wrote: Terrible groups, we will most likely see 6-7 Koreans in the top 8. The only interesting group is group C. This format cant be the future for WCS EU, it bores people to death.
because all koreans raped trough the last group too right ? ...
do you even hear you talking ? and boring for you means just you have a shitty taste xD
rly nice groups will be rly exiting to watch and i dont think the kors have a freewin!!!
On June 01 2014 23:54 marcesr wrote: Terrible groups, we will most likely see 6-7 Koreans in the top 8. The only interesting group is group C. This format cant be the future for WCS EU, it bores people to death.
boring for you is not boring for everyone
On June 02 2014 00:14 herMan wrote: MMA why did you lose to livezerg. I still can't comprehend how he could bomb out in the ro32
tvz
does that mean terran has whined enough about protoss and now whine about zerg ? xD
GUY keep calm and lets watch AWESOME games ^^
check the icon bro i'm a zerg player, and i'm not whining, it's just a commonly known fact that tvz has been broken for a while
i haven't seen many games since the hellbat patch so i dunno if that helped at all
so, we have 9 protoss (out of 14) in the Ro16... only 2 groups produce a terran player (2 out of 10), both because they had 3 terrans (and both qualified from the second place). I am a zerg player but i really think the influx of protoss and the lack of terrans is hurting the game severly! *just to be clear: I believe the game is fairly balanced ATM, but this situation really cuts into the already low diversity of the game...
On June 02 2014 01:57 batatm wrote: so, we have 9 protoss (out of 14) in the Ro16... only 2 groups produce a terran player (2 out of 10), both because they had 3 terrans (and both qualified from the second place). I am a zerg player but i really think the influx of protoss and the lack of terrans is hurting the game severly! *just to be clear: I believe the game is fairly balanced ATM, but this situation really cuts into the already low diversity of the game...
This "situation" is known as Europe. Season 2 2013, as we were still adjusting after the hellbat patch, Europe had 6 Protoss in the Top 8, and 5 in their 6-man delegation to the season finals.
On June 01 2014 23:54 marcesr wrote: Terrible groups, we will most likely see 6-7 Koreans in the top 8. The only interesting group is group C. This format cant be the future for WCS EU, it bores people to death.
has nothing to do with the format, it's on Blizzard to balance the game so we can have more Terrans and less Protoss again.
On June 01 2014 23:54 marcesr wrote: Terrible groups, we will most likely see 6-7 Koreans in the top 8. The only interesting group is group C. This format cant be the future for WCS EU, it bores people to death.
has nothing to do with the format, it's on Blizzard to balance the game so we can have more Terrans and less Protoss again.
Europe's best players have always been protosses, now with MC, San, Stardust and First there as well there's no stopping them. The only real surprise is that MMA and Jjaki are not up there, its up to the other players to step up there game as more koreans are showing up
On June 01 2014 21:55 Nine Gates wrote: I suppose the theme of this season is inevitability. Despite all the times Europe managed to hold, we're still terrifyingly close to a 7-korean Ro8.
No, atleast 2 non-koreans will make it.
First, Golden Yoda, MC ForGG Stardust San
That makes 7 koreans (unless you were making a joke that ForGG is french). Of course I could see a foreigner from Group A, as well as ForGG getting eliminated which would mean 3 foreigners in Ro8. #Dreaming
What he wanted to say is:
NOWAY WELMU WOULD LOSE SCRUBS LIKE YODA AND MC RO8 HERE WE GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
group a golden, first, wish it would be grubby but i have to listen to my head group b MC, welmu group c vortix , snute group d san ,stardust
4 kr 4 EU but one can only hope. but i see vortix and snute getting out both are so good so atleast 2 EU players. lol and i just noticed no terrans, which is odd cause im a terran player and a huge fan of forgg but i know he doesnt get ghost in tvp and tvz is hard atm.
On June 01 2014 21:55 Nine Gates wrote: I suppose the theme of this season is inevitability. Despite all the times Europe managed to hold, we're still terrifyingly close to a 7-korean Ro8.
Grubby, Mana, Welmu, Vortix and Snute all have realistic chances to advance imo.
Hmm, Welmu and ToD better prepare hard... And I mean VERY VERY hard.. MC got a team-kill on his hands, means that the boss-toss is on RAGE now
AND - I agree that foreigners got the worst group picks possible overall:
A - Grubby/Mana rivalry under the consent of First, And ALL Golden has to do is to find a good Protoss to train and they're possibly dead too.. Not just Mana/Grubster, but also not gonna be surprised see First fighting for dear life in loser match also B - Welmu/ToD under the consent of angered MC/Yoda team-kill (yikes, think that Welmu is a good PvP player, but he practised a lot of other matchups neglecting that one lately IMO) C - Snute/Vortix in the same group - never a good call D - Unless LiveZerg gets his PvZ on another level - he won't be able to defeat Stardust/San.. Or more like reverse - they saw some of LZ's games recently, gonna study him, and tear him apart.. And although very solid play lately - think he's pretty easy predictable player overall.. Especially the case in ZvP where most things are pre-defined and unless playing a wild style like say Life - then most things seem "set in stone" and overall hard for a Zerg to handle a good positional Protoss
Hope that one foreigner gets in the finals though - Snute or Vortix vs some of the Korean Protoss represents would be a great final IMO
Except LiveZerg (and maybe ToD), I really think that all the Europeans have a good chance to go in RO8. The Koreans playing in Europe (except MC and San) are clearly less strong than the Korean playing in other regions and all the foreigners in RO16 have already won games against them in other tournaments.
RO16 will be exciting but I am worry about 7/8 protoss for RO8...
On June 02 2014 08:17 VArsovskiSC wrote: Hmm, Welmu and ToD better prepare hard... And I mean VERY VERY hard.. MC got a team-kill on his hands, means that the boss-toss is on RAGE now
AND - I agree that foreigners got the worst group picks possible overall:
A - Grubby/Mana rivalry under the consent of First, And ALL Golden has to do is to find a good Protoss to train and they're possibly dead too.. Not just Mana/Grubster, but also not gonna be surprised see First fighting for dear life in loser match also B - Welmu/ToD under the consent of angered MC/Yoda team-kill (yikes, think that Welmu is a good PvP player, but he practised a lot of other matchups neglecting that one lately IMO) C - Snute/Vortix in the same group - never a good call D - Unless LiveZerg gets his PvZ on another level - he won't be able to defeat Stardust/San.. Or more like reverse - they saw some of LZ's games recently, gonna study him, and tear him apart.. And although very solid play lately - think he's pretty easy predictable player overall (especially ZvP where most things seem "set in stone")
Hope that one foreigner gets in the finals though - Snute or Vortix vs some of the Korean Protoss represents would be a great final IMO
groups don't matter, all that matters is "are the foreigners good enough to win wcs europe"
if they're not good enough there's no format to save them from the losses they deserve
On June 02 2014 08:17 VArsovskiSC wrote: Hmm, Welmu and ToD better prepare hard... And I mean VERY VERY hard.. MC got a team-kill on his hands, means that the boss-toss is on RAGE now
AND - I agree that foreigners got the worst group picks possible overall:
A - Grubby/Mana rivalry under the consent of First, And ALL Golden has to do is to find a good Protoss to train and they're possibly dead too.. Not just Mana/Grubster, but also not gonna be surprised see First fighting for dear life in loser match also B - Welmu/ToD under the consent of angered MC/Yoda team-kill (yikes, think that Welmu is a good PvP player, but he practised a lot of other matchups neglecting that one lately IMO) C - Snute/Vortix in the same group - never a good call D - Unless LiveZerg gets his PvZ on another level - he won't be able to defeat Stardust/San.. Or more like reverse - they saw some of LZ's games recently, gonna study him, and tear him apart.. And although very solid play lately - think he's pretty easy predictable player overall (especially ZvP where most things seem "set in stone")
Hope that one foreigner gets in the finals though - Snute or Vortix vs some of the Korean Protoss represents would be a great final IMO
groups don't matter, all that matters is "are the foreigners good enough to win wcs europe"
if they're not good enough there's no format to save them from the losses they deserve
Check it out - didn't say foreigners to win WCS (although somewhat minimalistic possible on Vortix or Snute to achieve), I said - foreigners to advance to the final.. (and yeah - having a FvsK final is probably as best as ESports can go)
Terran got this tournament easily. So strong drop play. Blizz may want to look into removing drop ship turbocharge to promote more entertaining gameplay.
On June 02 2014 08:36 Waise wrote: groups don't matter, all that matters is "are the foreigners good enough to win wcs europe"
Foreigners are already too good for WCS EU. This is EU, Mana & Grubby etc aren't foreigners in EU. I only watch WCS KR (because only KR players) and EU (watch only EU players).
if they're not good enough there's no format to save them from the losses they deserve
Aha, players that isnt good in a region should play in a weaker region (what many koreans did)? However, nice logic by you.
EPT
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Grubby and 
mouz.VortiX. The Korean Protoss player 
YoDa, 
