group a golden, first, wish it would be grubby but i have to listen to my head
group b MC, welmu
group c vortix , snute
group d san ,stardust

4 kr 4 EU but one can only hope. but i see vortix and snute getting out both are so good so atleast 2 EU players. lol and i just noticed no terrans, which is odd cause im a terran player and a huge fan of forgg but i know he doesnt get ghost in tvp and tvz is hard atm.

digmouse

China6330 Posts

June 01 2014 19:31 GMT

#42

On June 01 2014 21:55 Nine Gates wrote:
I suppose the theme of this season is inevitability. Despite all the times Europe managed to hold, we're still terrifyingly close to a 7-korean Ro8.

Grubby, Mana, Welmu, Vortix and Snute all have realistic chances to advance imo.

Radicalness

United States271 Posts

June 01 2014 21:02 GMT

#43

Great groups for the Round of 16. Only thing that would have made it better is if Stephano or Demu made it through.

First, Grubby
Welmu, MC
Snute, Vortix
San, StarDust

Shinta)

United States1716 Posts

June 01 2014 21:06 GMT

#44

gogo MaNa/Grubby, MC/ToD, VortiX/Snute, LiveZerg/Nerchio!

Cereb

Denmark3388 Posts

June 01 2014 21:07 GMT

#45

Want Grubby to win so badly!

orllyfools

United States153 Posts

June 01 2014 23:03 GMT

#46

if there ever was a time where koreans wont be making it further then foreigners its now.

VArsovskiSC

Macedonia563 Posts

June 01 2014 23:17 GMT

#47

Hmm, Welmu and ToD better prepare hard... And I mean VERY VERY hard.. MC got a team-kill on his hands, means that the boss-toss is on RAGE now

AND - I agree that foreigners got the worst group picks possible overall:

A - Grubby/Mana rivalry under the consent of First, And ALL Golden has to do is to find a good Protoss to train and they're possibly dead too.. Not just Mana/Grubster, but also not gonna be surprised see First fighting for dear life in loser match also
B - Welmu/ToD under the consent of angered MC/Yoda team-kill (yikes, think that Welmu is a good PvP player, but he practised a lot of other matchups neglecting that one lately IMO)
C - Snute/Vortix in the same group - never a good call
D - Unless LiveZerg gets his PvZ on another level - he won't be able to defeat Stardust/San.. Or more like reverse - they saw some of LZ's games recently, gonna study him, and tear him apart.. And although very solid play lately - think he's pretty easy predictable player overall.. Especially the case in ZvP where most things are pre-defined and unless playing a wild style like say Life - then most things seem "set in stone" and overall hard for a Zerg to handle a good positional Protoss

Hope that one foreigner gets in the finals though - Snute or Vortix vs some of the Korean Protoss represents would be a great final IMO

Totorosc2

France8 Posts

June 01 2014 23:30 GMT

#48

Except LiveZerg (and maybe ToD), I really think that all the Europeans have a good chance to go in RO8. The Koreans playing in Europe (except MC and San) are clearly less strong than the Korean playing in other regions and all the foreigners in RO16 have already won games against them in other tournaments.

RO16 will be exciting but I am worry about 7/8 protoss for RO8...

Waise

3165 Posts

June 01 2014 23:36 GMT

#49

On June 02 2014 08:17 VArsovskiSC wrote:
Hmm, Welmu and ToD better prepare hard... And I mean VERY VERY hard.. MC got a team-kill on his hands, means that the boss-toss is on RAGE now

AND - I agree that foreigners got the worst group picks possible overall:

A - Grubby/Mana rivalry under the consent of First, And ALL Golden has to do is to find a good Protoss to train and they're possibly dead too.. Not just Mana/Grubster, but also not gonna be surprised see First fighting for dear life in loser match also
B - Welmu/ToD under the consent of angered MC/Yoda team-kill (yikes, think that Welmu is a good PvP player, but he practised a lot of other matchups neglecting that one lately IMO)
C - Snute/Vortix in the same group - never a good call
D - Unless LiveZerg gets his PvZ on another level - he won't be able to defeat Stardust/San.. Or more like reverse - they saw some of LZ's games recently, gonna study him, and tear him apart.. And although very solid play lately - think he's pretty easy predictable player overall (especially ZvP where most things seem "set in stone")

Hope that one foreigner gets in the finals though - Snute or Vortix vs some of the Korean Protoss represents would be a great final IMO

groups don't matter, all that matters is "are the foreigners good enough to win wcs europe"

if they're not good enough there's no format to save them from the losses they deserve

VArsovskiSC

Macedonia563 Posts

June 02 2014 00:16 GMT

#50

On June 02 2014 08:36 Waise wrote:

Show nested quote +

groups don't matter, all that matters is "are the foreigners good enough to win wcs europe"

if they're not good enough there's no format to save them from the losses they deserve

Check it out - didn't say foreigners to win WCS (although somewhat minimalistic possible on Vortix or Snute to achieve), I said - foreigners to advance to the final.. (and yeah - having a FvsK final is probably as best as ESports can go)

Circumstance

United States11403 Posts

June 02 2014 04:30 GMT

#51

Might as well throw this in from the LR thread. It's a small compilation of the players reacting to their Ro16 group draws.

On June 01 2014 07:03 Circumstance wrote:

From Group A:

+ Show Spoiler +

First seems satisified...

...albeit a tad overeager.

Golden is motivated!

So is Mana, but more relieved than anything.

Grubby hasn't tweeted about his Ro16 group.

Group B:

+ Show Spoiler +

MC will always be MC.

But a new Challenger is approaching!

ToD is less than thrilled about the draw.

But Yoda is really bummed about the draw.

Welmu hasn't Tweeted about his Ro16 group.

Group C:

+ Show Spoiler +

Harstem is trying to be realistic for himself.

Snute's just chillin, man.

ForGG is playing coy about his thoughts.

Vortix hasn't Tweeted about his o16 group.

Group D:

+ Show Spoiler +

Nobody has tweeted anything! D:

Daswollvieh

5553 Posts

June 02 2014 05:48 GMT

#52

Liquid team-kill suspiciously absent. You can do better than that!

Cascade

Australia5405 Posts

June 02 2014 09:00 GMT

#53

Terran got this tournament easily. So strong drop play. Blizz may want to look into removing drop ship turbocharge to promote more entertaining gameplay.

SinO[Ob]

France897 Posts

June 02 2014 13:11 GMT

#54

Golden picture is awesome! :D <3 when players do some "trash talk". Always a good fun!

blacksheepwall

China1530 Posts

June 02 2014 13:51 GMT

#55

Lot of chances for Europeans to make it to the Ro8.

All depends how it shakes out.

Big-t

Austria1350 Posts

June 02 2014 13:59 GMT

#56

Heart:
A: Grubby + Mana
B: MC + YoDa
C: Snute + Harstem
D: Nerchio + Livezerg

Head:
A: First + Grubby
B: MC + YoDa
C: ForGG + Snute
D: San + Stardust

I hope we see more than 1 foreigner and less than 7 Protoss

Dingodile

4137 Posts

June 02 2014 14:36 GMT

#57

On June 02 2014 08:36 Waise wrote:
groups don't matter, all that matters is "are the foreigners good enough to win wcs europe"

Foreigners are already too good for WCS EU. This is EU, Mana & Grubby etc aren't foreigners in EU. I only watch WCS KR (because only KR players) and EU (watch only EU players).

if they're not good enough there's no format to save them from the losses they deserve

Aha, players that isnt good in a region should play in a weaker region (what many koreans did)? However, nice logic by you.