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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-25 08:38:46
May 25 2014 08:38 GMT
#41
Why would someone match fix and then associate themselves with a betting website. I understand that some people don't always think highly of progamer intellect but come on.
That's like solo forming a new team sponsored by the website he did the $322 stuff on like why would you even do that.
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v0rtex
Profile Joined November 2011
123 Posts
May 25 2014 08:40 GMT
#42
Good Luck to Kas, was getting scared for EU Terrans when Empire announced Kas's contract wasn't renewed but all is well again! Hope to see Kas destroying face in tournaments again!
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Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
May 25 2014 09:08 GMT
#43
What? Who's that guy?

P.S. Ofc best of luck, let's if we can climb for another peak.
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
May 25 2014 09:40 GMT
#44
Best of luck Kas!

Hope you can recapture a bit the strength that once made you the most solid EU Terran!
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nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
May 25 2014 09:41 GMT
#45
On May 25 2014 08:11 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2014 03:15 nkr wrote:
On May 25 2014 03:06 playa wrote:
On May 25 2014 02:32 playa wrote:
So, let me get this, Kas blatantly throws a game in his last WCS series or at least tries as hard as he can to give himself no chance of winning, then he miraculously ends up on a team sponsored by a betting site. Maybe he can become best friends with Savior next.

User was warned for this post


http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/matches/kas-vs-patience/game-1

In the late/late game, he realizes his opponent is maxed or at least has to proceed as if his opponent is maxed, yet he doesn't have any interest in going above 170 supply, despite having a massive bank. At the end, he decides to engage into a ridiculous position at around 160 supply, despite having the means to max first, and then he decides, first time in forever, to make units, after the engagement when he is reduced to 100 supply and it's obvious he has to gg soon.

I understand trying to be prudent with where you allocate your resources when you're uncertain of how much incoming funds you will have and the idea of not wanting to have "wasted supply." Ie; over making vikings when they end up only being ground. But given understanding things like this, the game in question still makes 0 sense to me.

I simply think it's suspicious and Kas should explain his thought process, especially now that he has joined a team sponsored by a betting site...


can you explain how being sponsored by a sports betting site is related to any of this?


Don't you know that whenever you're cheating it's good to associate yourself with the site you're cheating on so that playa can make the connexion and unveil everything like a hero?


Seems like you can't even bet on sc2 on that site. I couldn't find anything anyway.
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CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
May 25 2014 09:44 GMT
#46
Is anyone else just happy that Kas and Cascade both start with the same syllable. My alliteration sense are tingling.
havok55
Profile Joined May 2013
United States276 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-25 11:43:18
May 25 2014 11:42 GMT
#47
On May 25 2014 17:38 Fusilero wrote:
Why would someone match fix and then associate themselves with a betting website. I understand that some people don't always think highly of progamer intellect but come on.
That's like solo forming a new team sponsored by the website he did the $322 stuff on like why would you even do that.


Well it certainly makes a convenient excuse. I mean look, there are already people using it in defense.

Not saying anything happened, just pointing something out.
Reasonable
Profile Joined September 2010
Ukraine1432 Posts
May 25 2014 11:44 GMT
#48
Great decision Kas!

Screw the Russians and their team. One can't play in a team with people that wage a war on your country in real life, unless your goal is to knife them all in their sleep eventually.


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nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
May 25 2014 11:51 GMT
#49
On May 25 2014 20:42 havok55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2014 17:38 Fusilero wrote:
Why would someone match fix and then associate themselves with a betting website. I understand that some people don't always think highly of progamer intellect but come on.
That's like solo forming a new team sponsored by the website he did the $322 stuff on like why would you even do that.


Well it certainly makes a convenient excuse. I mean look, there are already people using it in defense.

Not saying anything happened, just pointing something out.


The fact that this is even a discussion hurts my head
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eurTsItniH
Profile Joined January 2012
887 Posts
May 25 2014 11:53 GMT
#50
Congratulations Kas, glad to see you finding a team!
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
May 25 2014 11:59 GMT
#51
On May 25 2014 20:44 Reasonable wrote:
Great decision Kas!

Screw the Russians and their team. One can't play in a team with people that wage a war on your country in real life, unless your goal is to knife them all in their sleep eventually.


What a horrible post! We do have an international squad, and we do have a lot of russian players, and no conflicts involved, we are perfect in friendship.

shame on u
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TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1982 Posts
May 25 2014 13:52 GMT
#52
Never heard of that team and the players but good luck Kas.
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cutler
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany609 Posts
May 25 2014 18:23 GMT
#53
My favorite Player found a new team! Nice! ggglhf :-)
PoorPotato
Profile Joined April 2011
United States21 Posts
May 25 2014 22:25 GMT
#54
He's Kascade !
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Thor.Rush
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden702 Posts
May 26 2014 08:23 GMT
#55
Keep it going Kas! One of these days blizz will reward us terrans after so much neglect, and we will conquer once again.
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alphaproxy
Profile Joined October 2012
68 Posts
May 26 2014 09:39 GMT
#56
On May 25 2014 17:31 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2014 14:51 eightym wrote:
On May 25 2014 13:01 Nebuchad wrote:
Hey what if Tefel threw against Mvp because he had bet against himself?
What if Nestea threw against Huk because he had bet against himself?
What if soO threw against Zest because he had bet against himself?

Or maybe, just maybe, what if people just sometimes threw because throws happen, and what if maybe they didn't need people questioning their integrity with zero proof and a persistence that is largely uncalled for?


I automatically play like garbage when I know I'm playing vs a streamer. Nobody ever accuses me of match fixing. Then again I'm not good enough for people to have a personal grudge against me.


I'm pretty sure everyone does that, until they get used to it. As for personal grudges, the only time I play Kas are the few times he goes onto NA (rare). Hard to have a grudge against someone you don't have history with.

Kas made a conscious decision to not make units. That has 0 to do with playing bad in the sense of, o, I missed a force field or my macro slipped. It was intentional. I'm just deeply confused as to how a Terran can expect to beat a maxed Toss army with only 160 supply.

If Kas was playing with the intention of trying to win, then I'm still just as curious as to why. It would mean he is seeing the game differently than anyone else and has some kinda special understanding of the matchup.

If you want to defend the guy, start with explaining the merits for choosing to not make units. Anything else is completely irrelevant. You'd have to figure someone could just ask him.

Anomalies are interesting. I doubt I could find another pro t vs p game like it. Knowing your opponents unit composition and having the money and free supply to make anything you want. At what point do you consider making something? 10k/10k?

Even if he were to match fix, who could blame him. Given what I've seen, while having that much money at any given time is hard to accomplish, I'd try to do it myself...



User was temp banned for this post.


TLs double standards are very funny Some time ago some mediocre american pro player accuses another mediocre pro player (Themista) of being a maphacker. He posted videos proving nothing, yet nothing happened to him. When someone says he noticed some weird behaviour about a player he is banned after his second post. In general although TL is a very nice portal, I do not understand the way the admins act. I guess they have seen much shit all those years, yet that doesnt make their acting logical.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-26 12:01:25
May 26 2014 11:59 GMT
#57
@AlphaProxy.

He has no proof and TL is not really nice with MatchFixing accusation with NO proof other than : "cascade have a betting site".

Because apparently when you screw things up in a match you are automaticly throwing intentionally. Maybe Kas saw he was quite dead, and was ticking. Sometimes when you play and you're like : "fuck that i'm dead damnit" and you want to lash out on balance you just throw your army at the guy because... well you're already dead.

In any case, the guy have no proof and is accusing a proeminent player of throwing a game but not just "throwing a game" but "throwing a game intentionally". That's really not the same thing.

And really if you look at the GM/Master hacking thread, a lot of people accuse other out of their hat, then you clearly see the guy is not hacking and nothing happens to the accuser when he was wrong. So i don't see your point. But if you really have trouble with that, you can make a thread in website feedback (mods will read that more easily than in a random thread).
Hope it helps you understand.
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Frost bitE
Profile Joined July 2013
Malaysia27 Posts
May 26 2014 12:02 GMT
#58
wow! Congratulations!
Really looking forward for what ever they have to offer..Together we stand united to embrace the world of Sc2 .gL hF =)
Drone like a madmen ! ^_^
alphaproxy
Profile Joined October 2012
68 Posts
May 26 2014 13:55 GMT
#59
On May 26 2014 20:59 FFW_Rude wrote:
@AlphaProxy.

He has no proof and TL is not really nice with MatchFixing accusation with NO proof other than : "cascade have a betting site".

Because apparently when you screw things up in a match you are automaticly throwing intentionally. Maybe Kas saw he was quite dead, and was ticking. Sometimes when you play and you're like : "fuck that i'm dead damnit" and you want to lash out on balance you just throw your army at the guy because... well you're already dead.

In any case, the guy have no proof and is accusing a proeminent player of throwing a game but not just "throwing a game" but "throwing a game intentionally". That's really not the same thing.

And really if you look at the GM/Master hacking thread, a lot of people accuse other out of their hat, then you clearly see the guy is not hacking and nothing happens to the accuser when he was wrong. So i don't see your point. But if you really have trouble with that, you can make a thread in website feedback (mods will read that more easily than in a random thread).
Hope it helps you understand.


Well clearly you got my point. " And really if you look at the GM/Master hacking thread, a lot of people accuse other out of their hat, then you clearly see the guy is not hacking and nothing happens to the accuser when he was wrong."

I don't like double standards. I'm not saying this guy has proof but maybe the other people should get banned as well since they post bullshit. I don't get where you disagree with me. Isn't this bad for the players reputation? How is it allowed in those threads?
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-26 14:21:23
May 26 2014 14:18 GMT
#60
Well, it's because Kas is not a random player like the ones you see in the hackers thread. Also, accusing someone without proof will get you AT LEAST warned in the hacker thread.

There has been banned too in the thread i mentioned. So it's not really double standard. Apples and oranges it's not the same case

And again, if you feel it's no good, take this to website feedback where mods and admin will respond Because we are kind of doing backseet moderation hear. So, feel free to PM or take it to WF for mods to respond.
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