Pomf & Thud, IS producers released a video tonight about French commentary for WCS Europe and Iron Squid 3.
First part, WCS Europe. On March 2013, Blizzard announced WCS. They were surprised by this tournament and they were not invited to stream this competition. Blizzard told them to speak to ESL because the company produced WCS. ESL owned WCS Europe. O'GamingTV, Millenium and aAa decided to create an alliance, they wanted to produce contents together. ESL did not allowed OGTV, Millenium and aAa to stream the tournament.
They wanted to cast on O'Gaming studio then on Millenium studio in Paris. They wanted to cast some parts of the tournament, most likely RO8/4/2. Today it's not possible. Twitch has a parternship with ESL. Moreover, Twitch is a great service bu in France there is a major issue. For each 10000 viewers, the French streamer receives between 20 and 2 euros. That's 4 kebabs maximum. A one hour show with professional knowledge such as casting, lighting, cameraman, it's between 200 and 500 euros per hour. It's represents between 40 and 100 kebabs. It's only one hour, a whole year represents 300 hours. There is a lot of money behind a stream. In France no one can use Twicth if they want to survive. In France, a few streamers use Twitch but it's not their first way to win money. They are sponsored, they have a huge YouTube fanbase. It's just impossible for them. They just want to produce a great show, to pay producers, not only casters but the whole crew who work behind the scenes. This issue is only on France and Poland. Blizzard want a French stream. The action #WCSinFrench was useful by the way.
Then, Iron Squid 3. One year ago they produced Iron Squid, it was amazing, we loved it. We have been on Iron Squid 3 3 months after the end of Iron Squid 3. They earned experience, they have partnership with brands and also Dailymotion. With tehm they can afford it and they know which venues are great for Iron Squid 3. But, there is a tiny detail, it's called WCS. WCS is the biggest tournament on StarCraft II scene. If they want to produce Iron Squid 3 they need to know when there is a weekend without WCS event but also they need to book the venue. They need to book the venue months/year before the event. You also have to pay the first part to the owner of the venue when you book it. And Blizzard does not know what will happen to WCS in two months, they don't know when a RO8/4/2 will be played. O'GamingTV can't afford to book a venue if they don't know when a week end of WCS will happen. They are working with Blizzard. They want to do Iron Squid 3.
They will also produce a new tournament with an offline part. It's a big tournament. It's a great one, they will be great players. It will be announced soon.
Thanks for keeping us updated on the French scene, and I'm optimistic Blizzard and Pomf et Thud can come up with some kind of agreement to have Iron Squid 3 or whatever it will be renamed.
On April 18 2014 05:49 Amestir wrote: So guys. Either I'm missing something really obvious or France has a secret underground economy where they pay people in kababs?
I'm really confused.
Putting it in perspective with something that we all understand.
i have another translation (better english, but no kebab and other jokes) here
We are working on Iron Squid 3 3 months after the end of Iron Squid 3.
"we have been working"
i can translate the IS3 part if it is needed, but there not much to talk about.
the real issue hasn't change: -twitch has a global monopoly and they want to make sure to keep it (hopefully the mlg thingy i forgot the name of, and maybe owned.tv comeback, or youtube can do something about that, i have no hope in dailymotion worldwide) -dailymotion is monopolizing the video streaming revenue for french viewers
Yeah it is tough because Blizzard/ESL strictly want WCS to be on one service to have a direct flow of revenue towards one common source. Having multiple affiliates with their own studio/casters/$$ would obviously qualified as entitled to a cut of any money that was made through the French stream, which would have to be on Twitch, something that is not so successful in France :/ It really is a tough spot. Hopefully they can reach for an agreement.
As for Iron Squid, I think Blizzard does a terrible job at being transparent with their scheduling and plans for WCS. Take Dreamhack, for example. They release a FULL schedule of the whole year, with weekends and venues and all the information you would really need for a year long circuit. They make sure people know when their events are and what it's for and give ample info to people. Blizzard, on the other hand, is not nearly as transparent or vocal about their scheduling. The average viewer probably isn't knowledgeable of when new seasons of WCS even begin, how long they run, or whatever unless they really dig deep and comb forums. And even then, it is quite difficult.
This is where I see the problem with the WCS atmosphere. It doesn't leave people thinking about next season, considering what might happened, a "post-season" review or analysis of the coming season, and instead that is left to the occasional community shows to discuss, which ultimately doesn't reach the entire marketshare that WCS may have. Hype doesn't really exist, and we sort of just saunter into the next season with no real build up or anything. Idk. Sorry about the rant.
Anyways, Iron Squid is an amazing event with passionate fans and an outstanding production. Them not being able to, as third-party tournament organizers, access information about the non-compete WCS tournament is evident of monopolistic tactics. Maybe in the future Blizzard will be more open about their tournaments, but alas, we must wait and see.
It all comes down to money and that the fill rate for France sucks on twitch. I can see why they would want to use another streaming service, but thats not part of the deal Blizzard worked out with twitch. Hopefully something can be worked out.
That's a great video, way more satisfying than the weird angry message that they posted on TL a few months ago.
I really hope they can make a new Iron Squid, these tournaments were exciting and I like how they do things differently than the other standard tournaments.
This situation is so messy I still hope it can be resolved so we get a frenchie stream for WCS EU and a WCS free weekend, the Iron Squids were some of the most amazing tournaments so far, I loved them a lot (the orchestra, oh my)!
On April 18 2014 06:26 ACrow wrote: I still hope it can be resolved so we get a frenchie stream for WCS EU and a WCS free weekend, the Iron Squids were some of the most amazing tournaments so far, I loved them a lot (the orchestra, oh my)!
On April 18 2014 05:49 Amestir wrote: So guys. Either I'm missing something really obvious or France has a secret underground economy where they pay people in kababs?
I'm really confused.
Putting it in perspective with something that we all understand.
Hope blizzard will move their ass on Ironsquid topic! Seriously , we know they are really incompetent but to the point of not being able to schedule their damn WCS for a year , common every half decent company can plannify something 2 years ahead. Blizzard is not even giving 1 year of visibility of their WCS .
Blizzard is becoming an expert in self-destruction
I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
Thats the point...it is not Twitch Fault. Dailymotion is the real problem. Why not make an smaller production for french stream in order to keep stream costs low?
I am sure everybody is enjoying proffessional streams...but i am pretty sure people still watching when you cut quality in order to offer an french stream. For instance WCS had an russian stream some weeks ago with only 300 peole watching. I guess its okay to start like that...
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
Thats the point...it is not Twitch Fault. Dailymotion is the real problem. Why not make an smaller production for french stream in order to keep stream costs low?
I am sure everybody is enjoying proffessional streams...but i am pretty sure people still watching when you cut quality in order to offer an french stream. For instance WCS had an russian stream some weeks ago with only 300 peole watching. I guess its okay to start like that...
Why is Dailymotion the problem ? The company has nothing to do with Twitch. French people want a great stream, we are the second largest community in Europe, we just want to see a stream with a great quality.
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
Thats the point...it is not Twitch Fault. Dailymotion is the real problem. Why not make an smaller production for french stream in order to keep stream costs low?
I am sure everybody is enjoying proffessional streams...but i am pretty sure people still watching when you cut quality in order to offer an french stream. For instance WCS had an russian stream some weeks ago with only 300 peole watching. I guess its okay to start like that...
Why is Dailymotion the problem ? The company has nothing to do with Twitch. French people want a great stream, we are the second largest community in Europe, we just want to see a stream with a great quality.
If you want a stream, stream on twitch but put less money into it. That's the solution right there
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
Thats the point...it is not Twitch Fault. Dailymotion is the real problem. Why not make an smaller production for french stream in order to keep stream costs low?
I am sure everybody is enjoying proffessional streams...but i am pretty sure people still watching when you cut quality in order to offer an french stream. For instance WCS had an russian stream some weeks ago with only 300 peole watching. I guess its okay to start like that...
Why is Dailymotion the problem ? The company has nothing to do with Twitch. French people want a great stream, we are the second largest community in Europe, we just want to see a stream with a great quality.
If you want a stream, stream on twitch but put less money into it. That's the solution right there
It's not since Twitch has a poor quality service in France. They announced some weeks ago that they will put servers in France this year. It has to be done years ago ! Ppl goes where services are better, in France, it's Dailymotion.
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
Thats the point...it is not Twitch Fault. Dailymotion is the real problem. Why not make an smaller production for french stream in order to keep stream costs low?
I am sure everybody is enjoying proffessional streams...but i am pretty sure people still watching when you cut quality in order to offer an french stream. For instance WCS had an russian stream some weeks ago with only 300 peole watching. I guess its okay to start like that...
Why is Dailymotion the problem ? The company has nothing to do with Twitch. French people want a great stream, we are the second largest community in Europe, we just want to see a stream with a great quality.
If you want a stream, stream on twitch but put less money into it. That's the solution right there
Yeah best way to improve Esport worldwide is to have 2 people comment with skype and a webcam You are a genius all is fixed thanks to this great idea .
So how can MLG, Dreamhack, ESL, Proleague etc. all be able to plan their events around WCS and somehow IS3 can't? I think there is a major miscommunication between the French scene and Blizzard. The hole Dailymotion thing is just bad luck for you guys, Twitch is the official partner of WCS and neither Blizzard nor ESL can change anything about that.
It should be noted that we are talking about Parisian kebabs here, where I live kebabs are between 3.50 and 4 euros, not 5. Thought this was important to clarify.
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
Is this sarcasm or serious? I can't tell but how would it not be twitch's fault?
So "it's hard to organise ironsquid 3 because of no clear schedule from wcs, but we're going to have a sc2 tournament with alot of big players, more info soon !"
On April 18 2014 21:46 Sakray wrote: So "it's hard to organise ironsquid 3 because of no clear schedule from wcs, but we're going to have a sc2 tournament with alot of big players, more info soon !"
Am I the only one noticing something weird here ?
It's a different type of tournament, I can't say more though.
On April 18 2014 21:46 Sakray wrote: So "it's hard to organise ironsquid 3 because of no clear schedule from wcs, but we're going to have a sc2 tournament with alot of big players, more info soon !"
Am I the only one noticing something weird here ?
The venue for IS has to be booked a year before. This one is probably a smaller tournament planned within the next weeks/months.
Its clear that Blizzard is an horrific live events promoter.
this problem will just keep cropping up each year unless Blizzard pre-plans a Blizzcon more than 1 year in advance or they remove the WCS Finals from Blizzcon.
Blizzard needs to hand off WCS to an organization that plans and runs competitive leagues 365/24/7.
Of course, this will never happen and these issues will continue to be a stumbling block for any independent live event promoters that want to use Starcraft2.
IronSquid people seem to misinterpret Blizzards job in WCS...
ESL Runs WCS AM/EU GOM runs GSL
If you want WCS or GSL schedule you ask those two companies, Blizzard wont know, you do not say Blizzard doesnt know this Blizzard doesnt know that... you're basically asking for kebabs at a burger place...
Again ESL runs WCS EU, WCS is contracted to be broadcast on twitch so ESL broadcasts on twitch, if ESL is nice enough to let you restream WCS you're going to have to use twitch, now if twitch pays less in france due to i dunno government tax? whatever... that is neither Blizzard, ESL or even twitches fault, I hope you have asked twitch or ESL if there is a work around of France' twitch problem before giving up and posting this...
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
Is this sarcasm or serious? I can't tell but how would it not be twitch's fault?
Easy ! =>French casters don't want to stream on Twitch because low money. =>Orange and Free (some of the biggest ISPs in France) nerf Twitch connection at certains hours. =>Twitch doesn't want to improve its ad announcer(?) in France because no one use twitch in France. => Dailymotion is owned by Orange.
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
Thats the point...it is not Twitch Fault. Dailymotion is the real problem. Why not make an smaller production for french stream in order to keep stream costs low?
I am sure everybody is enjoying proffessional streams...but i am pretty sure people still watching when you cut quality in order to offer an french stream. For instance WCS had an russian stream some weeks ago with only 300 peole watching. I guess its okay to start like that...
Why is Dailymotion the problem ? The company has nothing to do with Twitch. French people want a great stream, we are the second largest community in Europe, we just want to see a stream with a great quality.
If you want a stream, stream on twitch but put less money into it. That's the solution right there
Yeah best way to improve Esport worldwide is to have 2 people comment with skype and a webcam You are a genius all is fixed thanks to this great idea .
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
Is this sarcasm or serious? I can't tell but how would it not be twitch's fault?
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
Is this sarcasm or serious? I can't tell but how would it not be twitch's fault?
the ad networks set the rates, not twitch
It seems CPM is great in France... the problem here is Twitch + WCS being tied together not allowing the French guys to use their own stuff with great CPM.
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
Is this sarcasm or serious? I can't tell but how would it not be twitch's fault?
the ad networks set the rates, not twitch
Twitch has grown a shit ton in the last 3 years, CPM is like a 10th of what it used to be. You really think this is the ad networks fault? I just think Twitch got a lot greedier with own3d being gone. CPM is shitty for everyone streaming on twitch...
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
Is this sarcasm or serious? I can't tell but how would it not be twitch's fault?
the ad networks set the rates, not twitch
It seems CPM is great in France... the problem here is Twitch + WCS being tied together not allowing the French guys to use their own stuff with great CPM.
it's not great with the partner that twitch has, according to the french
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
Is this sarcasm or serious? I can't tell but how would it not be twitch's fault?
the ad networks set the rates, not twitch
Twitch has grown a shit ton in the last 3 years, CPM is like a 10th of what it used to be. You really think this is the ad networks fault? I just think Twitch got a lot greedier with own3d being gone. CPM is shitty for everyone streaming on twitch...
Yes, it's not twitch's fault that the cpm is lower in france than in other places. That's what I said.
So why can't a smaller community steamer (a French version of Rifkin, Wardi or PughyDude, you know someone like that) do a French stream if O'Gaming nor Millenium can't?
I just don't get what's stopping a French caster picking up a mic and commentating on the games on Twitch.
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
Is this sarcasm or serious? I can't tell but how would it not be twitch's fault?
Easy ! =>French casters don't want to stream on Twitch because low money. =>Orange and Free (some of the biggest ISPs in France) nerf Twitch connection at certains hours. =>Twitch doesn't want to improve its ad announcer(?) in France because no one use twitch in France. => Dailymotion is owned by Orange.
See the issue here?
No. Why does twitch pay less in France than in other European countries, or why is the fill rate less? That is a different issue from the service quality.
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
Is this sarcasm or serious? I can't tell but how would it not be twitch's fault?
the ad networks set the rates, not twitch
Oh well this is what I was asking
Then why would they pay less for twitch than dm? That doesn't make any sense unless there's some kind of ulterior motive, right? Is like the biggest ad network owned by a French telecom company like dm?
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
Is this sarcasm or serious? I can't tell but how would it not be twitch's fault?
Easy ! =>French casters don't want to stream on Twitch because low money. =>Orange and Free (some of the biggest ISPs in France) nerf Twitch connection at certains hours. =>Twitch doesn't want to improve its ad announcer(?) in France because no one use twitch in France. => Dailymotion is owned by Orange.
See the issue here?
No. Why does twitch pay less in France than in other European countries, or why is the fill rate less? That is a different issue from the service quality.
It's not really twitch that pays the streamer, but more the announcer (ads provider) and since Twitch isn't working properly because of some ISP in France, they don't bother improving their ads pool there, that's totally logical.
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
Is this sarcasm or serious? I can't tell but how would it not be twitch's fault?
the ad networks set the rates, not twitch
Oh well this is what I was asking
Then why would they pay less for twitch than dm? That doesn't make any sense unless there's some kind of ulterior motive, right? Is like the biggest ad network owned by a French telecom company like dm?
There could be many reasons. French companies don't value the stream advertising as highly, perhaps even so that less companies want to advertise there, getting french voiceovers for your english commercials might not be worth it, english ads have less of an impact due to the language barrier.. there could be tons of reasons, but none of those are because of twitch. If anything, twitch would probably want a greater CPM for french streamers to get them away from dailymotion.
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
Is this sarcasm or serious? I can't tell but how would it not be twitch's fault?
Easy ! =>French casters don't want to stream on Twitch because low money. =>Orange and Free (some of the biggest ISPs in France) nerf Twitch connection at certains hours. =>Twitch doesn't want to improve its ad announcer(?) in France because no one use twitch in France. => Dailymotion is owned by Orange.
See the issue here?
No. Why does twitch pay less in France than in other European countries, or why is the fill rate less? That is a different issue from the service quality.
It's not really twitch that pays the streamer, but more the announcer (ads provider) and since Twitch isn't working properly because of some ISP in France, they don't bother improving their ads pool there, that's totally logical.
So I guess it all comes down to twitch's promised new servers and quality improvements in its French service. I hope they can find a way to get around the ISP problems which have troubled them in the past - although that could be hard if one or more ISPs really are preferring dailymotion because they own it. Either way, it sounds like getting a long term solution to the underlying problem with twitch is more productive and more likely to succeed than getting people to rage about blizzard's and twitch's wcs global contract terms.
(The scheduling issue is just unprofessional, I'm totally down with the frenchies raging at blizz about that btw)
On April 18 2014 22:28 Faust852 wrote: =>Orange and Free (some of the biggest ISPs in France) nerf Twitch connection at certains hours.
That's not the case (anymore?), at least for Free. Twitch's performance has been great as of late. I watched the entirety of WCS AM&EU without any issue, while it would have been impossible a few months ago without a VPN (if a good server could be found). (though YT is still crap at times, so clearly everything has not been settled)
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
Is this sarcasm or serious? I can't tell but how would it not be twitch's fault?
the ad networks set the rates, not twitch
It seems CPM is great in France... the problem here is Twitch + WCS being tied together not allowing the French guys to use their own stuff with great CPM.
it's not great with the partner that twitch has, according to the french
Yes, I meant the CPM rate on the other platforms in France, the one that the French streamers want to use for this. So I basically wanted to say that "Twitch's fault" is that the French are being disallowed from doing what they want because of whatever contracts Twitch uses to tie things down with regards to WCS streaming.
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
Is this sarcasm or serious? I can't tell but how would it not be twitch's fault?
the ad networks set the rates, not twitch
It seems CPM is great in France... the problem here is Twitch + WCS being tied together not allowing the French guys to use their own stuff with great CPM.
it's not great with the partner that twitch has, according to the french
Yes, I meant the CPM rate on the other platforms in France, the one that the French streamers want to use for this. So I basically wanted to say that "Twitch's fault" is that the French are being disallowed from doing what they want because of whatever contracts Twitch uses to tie things down with regards to WCS streaming.
Hm, well technically it's ESL who decided that the french can't stream, because they have the rights for WCS Europe. There might be some twitch interests in there, but it's all speculation
By the way, ToD wanted to stream WCS Europe in French on Twitch but ESL did not allow him to do because a big company wanted to stream WCS Europe in French.
On April 18 2014 16:37 Destructicon wrote: I really hate Twitch right now, they may have done a lot to help grow the and sustain gaming as a way of life, but now their greed and attempts to keep a monopoly is directly and negatively impacting gaming, They should either provide better services and better revenue for more people or just accept there is going to be competition. This whole problem is actually on twitch.
Well hopefully things work out somehow for the French community, and also hopefully some alternative service comes up and actually truly challenges twitch.
ads bringing in low cpm in france is anything but twitch's fault
Is this sarcasm or serious? I can't tell but how would it not be twitch's fault?
the ad networks set the rates, not twitch
Oh well this is what I was asking
Then why would they pay less for twitch than dm? That doesn't make any sense unless there's some kind of ulterior motive, right? Is like the biggest ad network owned by a French telecom company like dm?
There could be many reasons. French companies don't value the stream advertising as highly, perhaps even so that less companies want to advertise there, getting french voiceovers for your english commercials might not be worth it, english ads have less of an impact due to the language barrier.. there could be tons of reasons, but none of those are because of twitch. If anything, twitch would probably want a greater CPM for french streamers to get them away from dailymotion.
A lot of the ads I get on twitch I often seen on television as well.
Thanks to all the people here that also clarified the situation with streaming in France, I was under the impression twitch was maliciously refusing to help the French community when the truth of the matter looks to be a lot more complicated.
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