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Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-10 09:13:48
April 10 2014 09:11 GMT
#21
Nice write up, but could've definitely been better by looking at WCS 2013 Blizzcon final at least a little bit... I feel like Naniwa's career is too over-simplified in this article when talking about "Foreigner Hope"... especially when compared to Scarlett...Ya sure Naniwa's exit wasn't a glamorous one, nor was it as graceful as most Naniwa fans would hope, but looking back at his career and "highlights" it seemed fitting. I guess what I'm trying to say is, instead of bashing players like Naniwa for their blunt personalities how about we embrace it like what we did with IdrA? Oh I forgot race matters too. It's because Naniwa is Protoss so he can't be the foreigner hope, amirite TL?

EDIT: Forgot to add this... what did you people expect from Naniwa? A curtsy?
"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
April 10 2014 09:15 GMT
#22
Stardust will crush everyone.
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Azhrak
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland1198 Posts
April 10 2014 09:15 GMT
#23
“Foreign Hope is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul
And sings the tune without the words
And never stops at all.”
― Emily Dickinson
starcraft2.fi
Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
April 10 2014 09:19 GMT
#24
What we have in WCS Europe seems too good to be true. After suffering complete and utter defeat in 2013, foreigners have a realistic shot at winning a Premier League title [...]

Do we dare believe?

On April 10 2014 15:45 Waxangel wrote:
The follow-up piece to the critically acclaimed* four minutes to midnight.

*I'm a critic.

Oh TL writers...why pointlessly get our hopes up? There can never be a happy ending to this trilogy. Actually, it's more like a trilogy where the second film is so demoralizingly bad there'll never be a final installment.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33503 Posts
April 10 2014 09:31 GMT
#25
On April 10 2014 18:19 Evil_Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
What we have in WCS Europe seems too good to be true. After suffering complete and utter defeat in 2013, foreigners have a realistic shot at winning a Premier League title [...]

Do we dare believe?

Show nested quote +
On April 10 2014 15:45 Waxangel wrote:
The follow-up piece to the critically acclaimed* four minutes to midnight.

*I'm a critic.

Oh TL writers...why pointlessly get our hopes up? There can never be a happy ending to this trilogy. Actually, it's more like a trilogy where the second film is so demoralizingly bad there'll never be a final installment.


was machete kills bad? I loved machete original :[
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
coloursheep
Profile Joined May 2011
China497 Posts
April 10 2014 09:48 GMT
#26
On April 10 2014 16:09 Emerson_H wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised to see Vortix take it all. He's the foreign hope we need.


Considering that even if he beats Jjakji he is guaranteed to play either MC or Stardust I would say his chances are very low. However Stardust is favoured over MC which helps Vortix because MC's PvZ is stronger
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
April 10 2014 09:53 GMT
#27
I believe! I believed in fucking Bomber for two years, I'm so used to it anyways
Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
April 10 2014 10:00 GMT
#28
On April 10 2014 18:31 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2014 18:19 Evil_Sheep wrote:
What we have in WCS Europe seems too good to be true. After suffering complete and utter defeat in 2013, foreigners have a realistic shot at winning a Premier League title [...]

Do we dare believe?

On April 10 2014 15:45 Waxangel wrote:
The follow-up piece to the critically acclaimed* four minutes to midnight.

*I'm a critic.

Oh TL writers...why pointlessly get our hopes up? There can never be a happy ending to this trilogy. Actually, it's more like a trilogy where the second film is so demoralizingly bad there'll never be a final installment.


was machete kills bad? I loved machete original :[

As a huge fan of the original, the honest truth is the best trailer of all time was good enough to be stretched out into an entire film, but not three.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
April 10 2014 10:03 GMT
#29
He [had] taken second place five times on the year, and was determined not to end it with six.


That said, holy shit hype! The TvZs are going to be insane.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3690 Posts
April 10 2014 10:20 GMT
#30
I don't think foreign fans = fans of foreigners. There are plenty of foreigners who prefer Koreans over Foreigners.

That being sad, if anyone can make it happen I think it's either Snute, cause he has won events with top Koreans before, or Vortix because he has been looking great lately. Realistically though this should be another MMA win with MC keeping up the Kong performance.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-10 10:27:21
April 10 2014 10:27 GMT
#31
On April 10 2014 19:20 Lorch wrote:
I don't think foreign fans = fans of foreigners. There are plenty of foreigners who prefer Koreans over Foreigners.

That being sad, if anyone can make it happen I think it's either Snute, cause he has won events with top Koreans before, or Vortix because he has been looking great lately. Realistically though this should be another MMA win with MC keeping up the Kong performance.


That's interesting...

+ Show Spoiler +
                    Win    Top 2    Top 4    Top 8    
------------------------------------------------------
San 24.90% 17.94% 28.78% 28.37%
MMA 20.59% 18.82% 33.45% 27.14%
StarDust 16.73% 16.41% 38.74% 28.12%
jjakji 15.96% 12.85% 19.30% 51.90%
VortiX 10.46% 14.44% 27.00% 48.10%
MC 5.17% 7.99% 14.96% 71.88%
Welmu 3.28% 6.53% 18.56% 71.63%
Snute 2.92% 5.02% 19.20% 72.86%
Median Outcome Bracket
+ Show Spoiler +
    StarDust 3 ┐ 
├──── StarDust 3 ┐
MC 1 ┘ │
├──── StarDust 2 ┐
VortiX 3 ┐ │ │
├────── VortiX 2 ┘ │
jjakji 2 ┘ │
├─ San
Snute 1 ┐ │
├───────── MMA 2 ┐ │
MMA 3 ┘ │ │
├───────── San 3 ┘
San 3 ┐ │
├───────── San 3 ┘
Welmu 1 ┘

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

Sadly our system does not yet support different Bo formats (finals are Bo7, not Bo5) so I'm also gonna leave this here, for our predicted hypothetical finals:

    (1958) StarDust  0-0  San (1996)         
---------------------------------------------
5.45% 4-0 0-4 7.14%
11.26% 4-1 1-4 13.80%
14.55% 4-2 2-4 16.66%
15.04% 4-3 3-4 16.10%
---------------------------------------------
46.30% 53.70%

Median outcome: StarDust 3-4 San

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.



That said, I would love nothing more than MMA winning in dominant fashion and in a fantastic display of skill.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12627 Posts
April 10 2014 10:27 GMT
#32
Starcraft dominated by Koreans = killing the scene
Starcraft foreigner beating Koreans = skill cap too low
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
April 10 2014 10:33 GMT
#33
On April 10 2014 19:20 Lorch wrote:
I don't think foreign fans = fans of foreigners. There are plenty of foreigners who prefer Koreans over Foreigners.

That being sad, if anyone can make it happen I think it's either Snute, cause he has won events with top Koreans before, or Vortix because he has been looking great lately. Realistically though this should be another MMA win with MC keeping up the Kong performance.

Count me as one of those people who prefers Koreans over Foreigners. It has nothing to do with nationality, though. Koreans just consistently deliver the most exciting games.
Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
April 10 2014 10:36 GMT
#34
I dare believe!
Jaedong <3
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3690 Posts
April 10 2014 10:38 GMT
#35
On April 10 2014 19:27 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2014 19:20 Lorch wrote:
I don't think foreign fans = fans of foreigners. There are plenty of foreigners who prefer Koreans over Foreigners.

That being sad, if anyone can make it happen I think it's either Snute, cause he has won events with top Koreans before, or Vortix because he has been looking great lately. Realistically though this should be another MMA win with MC keeping up the Kong performance.


That's interesting...

+ Show Spoiler +
                    Win    Top 2    Top 4    Top 8    
------------------------------------------------------
San 24.90% 17.94% 28.78% 28.37%
MMA 20.59% 18.82% 33.45% 27.14%
StarDust 16.73% 16.41% 38.74% 28.12%
jjakji 15.96% 12.85% 19.30% 51.90%
VortiX 10.46% 14.44% 27.00% 48.10%
MC 5.17% 7.99% 14.96% 71.88%
Welmu 3.28% 6.53% 18.56% 71.63%
Snute 2.92% 5.02% 19.20% 72.86%
Median Outcome Bracket
+ Show Spoiler +
    StarDust 3 ┐ 
├──── StarDust 3 ┐
MC 1 ┘ │
├──── StarDust 2 ┐
VortiX 3 ┐ │ │
├────── VortiX 2 ┘ │
jjakji 2 ┘ │
├─ San
Snute 1 ┐ │
├───────── MMA 2 ┐ │
MMA 3 ┘ │ │
├───────── San 3 ┘
San 3 ┐ │
├───────── San 3 ┘
Welmu 1 ┘

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

Sadly our system does not yet support different Bo formats (finals are Bo7, not Bo5) so I'm also gonna leave this here, for our predicted hypothetical finals:

    (1958) StarDust  0-0  San (1996)         
---------------------------------------------
5.45% 4-0 0-4 7.14%
11.26% 4-1 1-4 13.80%
14.55% 4-2 2-4 16.66%
15.04% 4-3 3-4 16.10%
---------------------------------------------
46.30% 53.70%

Median outcome: StarDust 3-4 San

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.



That said, I would love nothing more than MMA winning in dominant fashion and in a fantastic display of skill.


Well my realistically is not the one based on stats (as they never tell the hole story not even in games with more telling stats like moba and fps), but rather on who I feel is capable on winning this kind of tournament with this kind of format and a bit of personal player preference as well. I guess MC is kind of a gutsy prediction, but I have learned a long long time ago that whenever to many people doubt him he'll just win a tournament out of nowhere. Recently though, he has established himself as more of a Kong and if there is one thing that I like almost as much as players who just know how to win tournament after tournament, it's the storyline of those always getting close to the number 1 spot but somehow failing a lot in grabbing it.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
April 10 2014 10:43 GMT
#36
On April 10 2014 19:38 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2014 19:27 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 10 2014 19:20 Lorch wrote:
I don't think foreign fans = fans of foreigners. There are plenty of foreigners who prefer Koreans over Foreigners.

That being sad, if anyone can make it happen I think it's either Snute, cause he has won events with top Koreans before, or Vortix because he has been looking great lately. Realistically though this should be another MMA win with MC keeping up the Kong performance.


That's interesting...

+ Show Spoiler +
                    Win    Top 2    Top 4    Top 8    
------------------------------------------------------
San 24.90% 17.94% 28.78% 28.37%
MMA 20.59% 18.82% 33.45% 27.14%
StarDust 16.73% 16.41% 38.74% 28.12%
jjakji 15.96% 12.85% 19.30% 51.90%
VortiX 10.46% 14.44% 27.00% 48.10%
MC 5.17% 7.99% 14.96% 71.88%
Welmu 3.28% 6.53% 18.56% 71.63%
Snute 2.92% 5.02% 19.20% 72.86%
Median Outcome Bracket
+ Show Spoiler +
    StarDust 3 ┐ 
├──── StarDust 3 ┐
MC 1 ┘ │
├──── StarDust 2 ┐
VortiX 3 ┐ │ │
├────── VortiX 2 ┘ │
jjakji 2 ┘ │
├─ San
Snute 1 ┐ │
├───────── MMA 2 ┐ │
MMA 3 ┘ │ │
├───────── San 3 ┘
San 3 ┐ │
├───────── San 3 ┘
Welmu 1 ┘

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

Sadly our system does not yet support different Bo formats (finals are Bo7, not Bo5) so I'm also gonna leave this here, for our predicted hypothetical finals:

    (1958) StarDust  0-0  San (1996)         
---------------------------------------------
5.45% 4-0 0-4 7.14%
11.26% 4-1 1-4 13.80%
14.55% 4-2 2-4 16.66%
15.04% 4-3 3-4 16.10%
---------------------------------------------
46.30% 53.70%

Median outcome: StarDust 3-4 San

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.



That said, I would love nothing more than MMA winning in dominant fashion and in a fantastic display of skill.


Well my realistically is not the one based on stats (as they never tell the hole story not even in games with more telling stats like moba and fps), but rather on who I feel is capable on winning this kind of tournament with this kind of format and a bit of personal player preference as well. I guess MC is kind of a gutsy prediction, but I have learned a long long time ago that whenever to many people doubt him he'll just win a tournament out of nowhere. Recently though, he has established himself as more of a Kong and if there is one thing that I like almost as much as players who just know how to win tournament after tournament, it's the storyline of those always getting close to the number 1 spot but somehow failing a lot in grabbing it.


I was just providing an additional point of view, of course stats will never be able to tell the whole tale in a complex and volatile game. Personally I think MMA has been the most consistent over the last few months even if he didn't actually win anything other than small online tournaments. But I think any one of these guys, on a good day, can take the whole thing, as they've no doubt shown in the past.

Also, I disagree with the notion that FPS has "more telling stats" but that's a different discussion entirely and off-topic to this thread.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 10 2014 10:49 GMT
#37
Sorry foreigners MMA has this
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 10 2014 11:02 GMT
#38
PvP finals between San and Stardust is my guess.

Hoping for MMA vs MC to have them at the GSL Global event.
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yido
Profile Joined March 2014
United States350 Posts
April 10 2014 11:27 GMT
#39
Sen won a tournament that had 2 Koreans, both Terrans.
MMA and SuperNova are solid players but it is hardly an exciting win for foreigners.

People that are realistic about WCS EU know that a Korean Protoss is going to take it all.
Even without all of the minor victories, everyone knows that WCS EU/NA Koreans are far from a Code S/Proleague Korean.
Blizzcon may produce some upsets, but at the end of the day a Korean GSL champion is going to be raising the trophy not a NA/EU Korean.
I'm so sick of this Korean vs the World mentality. Starcraft is a beautiful game, why can't people just appreciate the game for what it is and NOT for who plays it?
gl hf
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
April 10 2014 11:48 GMT
#40
On April 10 2014 20:27 yido wrote:
I'm so sick of this Korean vs the World mentality. Starcraft is a beautiful game, why can't people just appreciate the game for what it is and NOT for who plays it?


Because in the grim dark future there is only war.
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