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On March 18 2014 05:54 MichaelDonovan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 05:27 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 05:22 fishjie wrote:On March 18 2014 03:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 03:15 blarkh wrote:On March 18 2014 01:41 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 00:59 Pirfiktshon wrote:
Honestly I stopped reading after all teh stupid crap started.....
LYGF is and was an awesome team. They might not have been well known but they still had some serious talent in that group.....
1 Thing I'm going to mention as a suggestion instead of all this hatred. I am wondering if Basetrade TV would be willing to host a fundraising tournament of SC2 in the name of Pascal Anton to help him in his time of need for giving so much to the community....... Which community are you talking about ? LYGF has been up for ONE year, with only one interesting recruit, Genius, no results and a shady history of not paying players, which was proven by facts. People get diseases and die, it's sad, but such is life. We as a community have been fucked by stupid brats who thought they could get away with everything and blatantly lied to us, so this is how some of us respond : sorry, but shit happens. I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ? Definitely guilty until proven innocent. That's what you get for not being honest with people. Yes, it must be very hard for you as a community. Probably, you as a community should see a shrink and get group therapy or whatever. Poor you as a community. But I think you as a community shouldn't judge people to be guily until proven innocent. You as a community might just expect there to be assholes and there to be guys that aren't and then just not judge them at all in public forums at all, because let's face it, you as a community have no obligation and hardly any right to judge people, especially if you have so little way of knowing what's true and what isn't. Because if you're just going to make fun of everyone claiming to be fatally ill on the chance that they're lying, statistics say that a couple of times, you're going to be that asshole that made fun of someone dying. Is that worth it for having made that killer joke everybody laughed about? (Except, of course, people who don't think people dying is anything to make fun of, even if it turned out not to be true in this particular case). Yeah I can't believe this dude. "We as a community have been fucked..." Are you serious dude? Get a fucking grip. How has the community been "fucked?" If you feel "fucked" by anything like this then you need to take a step back and think about your life. Because these are not the kinds of things that should "fuck" you. But maybe he's just fifteen or something and has no perspective and thinks he's getting fucked when really nothing's happening. In that case life will have to hit him like a ton of bricks later to set him straight. Edit: "I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ?" Until then you're just going to be a complete dick because if you're sorry later then it's okay? Yeah this is definitely a kid. 15 or 16 probably. I won't say much more then because he's basically a punching bag in that case and it's not really fair for me to rip him to pieces. Get a grip? Lol you're the one raging because people are expressing skepticism. Very few posters, if any, would think its okay to laugh at someone dying of a terminal illness. But that's not what's happening. Shady team with mysterious investor, shady drama brought to light, and now the team is disbanding. If this were a venerable team like liquid or EG people would be lining up to offer their support and condolences. But given this team and its dubious history, of course a lot of people are expressing doubts. Nah don't try to think. I'm already labeled as a 15 year old looser for not believing immediately what the Internet throws at me. You'll lose your soul. It's not a question of immediate belief. You assume the best in people. That's what good people do. If you automatically assume the worst in people, then you are a bad person. You don't have to be devoted to your belief, but you should give people the benefit of the doubt despite your disbelief. It's called being polite.
If you automatically assume the worst in people, then you're someone mature enough to believe human's nature can be bad. It means you're a grown up and understand that people fuck up, and that Internet is a big fat book of lies and deceit. In my world, I'm an adult using my brain. In your world I'm a bad person. I have not judged anyone except through the proofs and facts that were given to me, and yet you judge me for thinking differently. It's called being prejudiced.
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On March 18 2014 06:02 kyunghwan wrote:
What an awkward press release. I can understand some of this outrage over the skepticism of the post, but the author/LYGF do themselves no favors with such a weird post. The release should have been posted on their own website and linked to there, but there's nothing. The use of the collective pronouns in the original post and the use of the singular pronoun in the edit does feel sketchy. Either the author is speaking on behalf of the organization or he's not, he should choose one and stick with it.
I tend to think he's speaking for himself with very little knowledge of the actual situation because the original post is a bunch of fluff statements ("With a tear in our eye and a heavy heart", "While we realize that not everything...", "worked with rising stars...") that have nothing to do with a company closing due to the CEO having health problems. Furthermore, if a company is willing to refer to their CEO as such, there should exist some company structure to warrant that title (the title is meaningless without any employees to distinguish yourself from). So if there is some company type structure, then it would seem to be in the best interest of all the people involved in this team to explore scenarios to carry on their brand even if they have to drop most/all of their professional roster. They started as a "semi-professional gaming society" (liquipedia), so they could conceivably pursue that goal. That they do not, and that there is no mention of any contingency plans (for instance, the CEO was aware of the possibility of his condition worsening) reeks of something else going on.
But back to the post, it really is weird. It starts off with a very emotional reason, but then goes off into the team's history with the community and then name-drops their players. Take out the parts where the CEO is suffering from a terminal heart illness, and the post becomes a eulogy for a discontinued team. A half-hearted eulogy of a team is a peculiar way to remember a person's legacy. The author's note is even worse; using an emotional appeal and tying it in with the team's name is so tacky and tasteless. If you're an acute observer, the whole post makes itself incredibly hard to believe in. Like, why is the only quote the author has of the CEO is about a "bucket list", but no closing remarks on what a great experience the team was, how he felt his legacy will be remembered in the SC2 community, etc?
Examining the OP's previous posts and this release, there is a lot to be skeptical about. If you read the post and get outraged at the skepticism, I think you should try looking at what you're putting so much stock in. It is essentially: "LYGF CEO has increased complications in terminal heart illness, disbands team". The first part is unremarkable, either he does or he doesn't, we can't verify that. The second part is more interesting because it involves player contracts. The wording seems ambiguous on whether the contracts expire at the end of this month (which would mean a 3 month contract for Tassadar and Genius) or the contracts are being terminated upon dissolution of the company. Since the wording puts emphasis that they will be paid through the month, and two 3 month contracts seem unlikely, I would say that the contracts are being unilaterally terminated. If that's the case, then there is financial incentive in dissolving the company. That said, financial incentive doesn't make him a bad person, but I don't see any problem in calling that part out for what it is because it could put the players in a very tight spot with short notice.
Thank you. My thoughts but better written.
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On March 18 2014 05:57 MichaelDonovan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 05:22 fishjie wrote:On March 18 2014 03:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 03:15 blarkh wrote:On March 18 2014 01:41 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 00:59 Pirfiktshon wrote:
Honestly I stopped reading after all teh stupid crap started.....
LYGF is and was an awesome team. They might not have been well known but they still had some serious talent in that group.....
1 Thing I'm going to mention as a suggestion instead of all this hatred. I am wondering if Basetrade TV would be willing to host a fundraising tournament of SC2 in the name of Pascal Anton to help him in his time of need for giving so much to the community....... Which community are you talking about ? LYGF has been up for ONE year, with only one interesting recruit, Genius, no results and a shady history of not paying players, which was proven by facts. People get diseases and die, it's sad, but such is life. We as a community have been fucked by stupid brats who thought they could get away with everything and blatantly lied to us, so this is how some of us respond : sorry, but shit happens. I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ? Definitely guilty until proven innocent. That's what you get for not being honest with people. Yes, it must be very hard for you as a community. Probably, you as a community should see a shrink and get group therapy or whatever. Poor you as a community. But I think you as a community shouldn't judge people to be guily until proven innocent. You as a community might just expect there to be assholes and there to be guys that aren't and then just not judge them at all in public forums at all, because let's face it, you as a community have no obligation and hardly any right to judge people, especially if you have so little way of knowing what's true and what isn't. Because if you're just going to make fun of everyone claiming to be fatally ill on the chance that they're lying, statistics say that a couple of times, you're going to be that asshole that made fun of someone dying. Is that worth it for having made that killer joke everybody laughed about? (Except, of course, people who don't think people dying is anything to make fun of, even if it turned out not to be true in this particular case). Yeah I can't believe this dude. "We as a community have been fucked..." Are you serious dude? Get a fucking grip. How has the community been "fucked?" If you feel "fucked" by anything like this then you need to take a step back and think about your life. Because these are not the kinds of things that should "fuck" you. But maybe he's just fifteen or something and has no perspective and thinks he's getting fucked when really nothing's happening. In that case life will have to hit him like a ton of bricks later to set him straight. Edit: "I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ?" Until then you're just going to be a complete dick because if you're sorry later then it's okay? Yeah this is definitely a kid. 15 or 16 probably. I won't say much more then because he's basically a punching bag in that case and it's not really fair for me to rip him to pieces. Get a grip? Lol you're the one raging because people are expressing skepticism. Very few posters, if any, would think its okay to laugh at someone dying of a terminal illness. But that's not what's happening. Shady team with mysterious investor, shady drama brought to light, and now the team is disbanding. If this were a venerable team like liquid or EG people would be lining up to offer their support and condolences. But given this team and its dubious history, of course a lot of people are expressing doubts. What dubious history? This particular team is not shady in any way as far as we know. There hasn't been any reason for believing that they are shady. If there is, link it to me. But basically what I mean by "goodbye TL" is that I'm done trying to be nice to people and mind my manners and be a respectful "community member" around here. I am not a part of this community anymore. But I will post here to call you idiots out on your idiocy when I feel like it. Nothing ragy about this. I'm just done being nice to you morons.
Mario not paid
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/442884-hto-mario-to-retire-his-post-on-reddit
"Mysterious" investor that will fund everything
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/439925-team-lygf-interview-we-found-an-investor-that-is-going-to-fund-the-entire-professional-team
A team that pops up out of nowhere, with no idea where they get their money from, yet manages to acquire all these players, yet turns out isn't paying at least one of its players, and then all of a sudden disbands. This story has repeated itself repeatedly, so why wouldn't people be skeptical? Even the OP is written in a strange manner that just feels "off", as has been pointed out. A moron would be someone who blindly believes it without exercising critical thinking and reading comprehension. No one is saying its ok to laugh at people who have terminal illness. What people are saying is, this thing seems sketch.
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On March 18 2014 05:57 MichaelDonovan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 05:22 fishjie wrote:On March 18 2014 03:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 03:15 blarkh wrote:On March 18 2014 01:41 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 00:59 Pirfiktshon wrote:
Honestly I stopped reading after all teh stupid crap started.....
LYGF is and was an awesome team. They might not have been well known but they still had some serious talent in that group.....
1 Thing I'm going to mention as a suggestion instead of all this hatred. I am wondering if Basetrade TV would be willing to host a fundraising tournament of SC2 in the name of Pascal Anton to help him in his time of need for giving so much to the community....... Which community are you talking about ? LYGF has been up for ONE year, with only one interesting recruit, Genius, no results and a shady history of not paying players, which was proven by facts. People get diseases and die, it's sad, but such is life. We as a community have been fucked by stupid brats who thought they could get away with everything and blatantly lied to us, so this is how some of us respond : sorry, but shit happens. I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ? Definitely guilty until proven innocent. That's what you get for not being honest with people. Yes, it must be very hard for you as a community. Probably, you as a community should see a shrink and get group therapy or whatever. Poor you as a community. But I think you as a community shouldn't judge people to be guily until proven innocent. You as a community might just expect there to be assholes and there to be guys that aren't and then just not judge them at all in public forums at all, because let's face it, you as a community have no obligation and hardly any right to judge people, especially if you have so little way of knowing what's true and what isn't. Because if you're just going to make fun of everyone claiming to be fatally ill on the chance that they're lying, statistics say that a couple of times, you're going to be that asshole that made fun of someone dying. Is that worth it for having made that killer joke everybody laughed about? (Except, of course, people who don't think people dying is anything to make fun of, even if it turned out not to be true in this particular case). Yeah I can't believe this dude. "We as a community have been fucked..." Are you serious dude? Get a fucking grip. How has the community been "fucked?" If you feel "fucked" by anything like this then you need to take a step back and think about your life. Because these are not the kinds of things that should "fuck" you. But maybe he's just fifteen or something and has no perspective and thinks he's getting fucked when really nothing's happening. In that case life will have to hit him like a ton of bricks later to set him straight. Edit: "I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ?" Until then you're just going to be a complete dick because if you're sorry later then it's okay? Yeah this is definitely a kid. 15 or 16 probably. I won't say much more then because he's basically a punching bag in that case and it's not really fair for me to rip him to pieces. Get a grip? Lol you're the one raging because people are expressing skepticism. Very few posters, if any, would think its okay to laugh at someone dying of a terminal illness. But that's not what's happening. Shady team with mysterious investor, shady drama brought to light, and now the team is disbanding. If this were a venerable team like liquid or EG people would be lining up to offer their support and condolences. But given this team and its dubious history, of course a lot of people are expressing doubts. What dubious history? This particular team is not shady in any way as far as we know. There hasn't been any reason for believing that they are shady. If there is, link it to me. But basically what I mean by "goodbye TL" is that I'm done trying to be nice to people and mind my manners and be a respectful "community member" around here. I am not a part of this community anymore. But I will post here to call you idiots out on your idiocy when I feel like it. Nothing ragy about this. I'm just done being nice to you morons.
I'll quote a post I made in another LYGF when HTOMario announced his retirement
On February 15 2014 06:27 Penguinator wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 14:12 cCav wrote:On January 04 2014 14:05 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
Lol....You think it's just Quantic? This thread is so painfully familiar that it's hilarious to me. It's happened with so many other "teams" that end up being scams. No legitimate team just pops up with no recognition/support behind it.
It's another scam. Wake up SC2 community. People need to contact Genius and Tassadar and tell them to stay away from these people. Then contact them and tell them what you think you know, otherwise you're not helping anyone out, you're just running a teams name through the mud for no reason. No player from LYGF has come forward saying they weren't paid and it's ridiculous of you to just assume otherwise.... Oh the irony... http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1x7m0x/my_only_wish_is_you_give_this_post_life_for_just/Here is a skype conversation between HTOMario and Pascal Anton (LYGF owner) [2/1/2014 10:42:07 AM] Pascal Anton: yeah
[2/1/2014 10:42:12 AM] HTOMario: any news on sponsor?
[2/1/2014 10:42:46 AM] HTOMario: it's february o.o
[2/1/2014 10:44:27 AM] Pascal Anton: seems like they are screwing us over
[2/1/2014 10:44:34 AM] HTOMario: yeah
[2/1/2014 10:45:47 AM] HTOMario: but my salary wasn't a problem before we had them?
[2/1/2014 10:46:35 AM] Pascal Anton: i will send you a good amount on monday
[2/1/2014 10:46:44 AM] HTOMario: ok tyMario later goes on to say in the thread that Pascal kept giving him the run-around and coming up with excuses and that he was never actually paid. NAUG was the new sponsor Pascal was referring too. After a bit of being late I discovered through pascal that NAUG was either stalling or delaying payments in the sponsorship they promised. - HTOMario That's 1 player I had a very similar experience when I was on LYGF..i'm glad I left when I did. I had multiple late payments AND even CANCELLED payments. I'm sorry this happened to you Mario hopefully it doesn't happen to anyone else. - LYGFBails In reply to Bails - Ah why didn't you say anything?! I'm sorry man I had no idea any of this was going on until it hit me as well. I thought everything was good and even replaced some gear which they never reimbursed me for back in early december - HTOMario That's 2 Hi guys, this is SeOuLStEaL and I was on LYGF as well. When I woke up this morning, I must say that I didn't expect to hear that HTOMario had left LYGF... But when I asked Mario himself, I was shocked that not only did he leave the team, but that some of the rumors were true about some of the members not receiving payment. I thought that maybe the financial "issues" were resolved but it appears I was mistaken. When I saw that Mario had left LYGF, it struck me that maybe it was my time to leave too. - LYGFSeOuLStEaL Wow, that makes 3! It's also possible that Genius has not been paid either, while he was rumored to have been promised a 4k/month salary http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1wvm3j/lygfgenius_salary_leaked_see_inside_thoughts/Confirmed on Skype genius has not been paid.
I was right from day 1. Check my post history LYGF was sketchy Day one yet LYGF down voted me and tried to make themselves look legit. LYGF should be ashamed. At least we caught scam now before it turned ink a hyun situation. Anton pascal has always been sketchy, from past teams. I hope this is a lesson to community to investigate and not be blinded. I wish Mario the best. - fxo_dragonflyss If this is true, then that would make 4! And I'm sure there are others who have received late payments or not been paid at all that just haven't said anything yet. Honestly, if this isn't enough evidence, then you're blind.
Multiple players come forward about not receiving payments on time or not receiving them at all, and then the "CEO" contracts a terminal heart disease and the team disbands? I don't know how anyone could honestly believe this...
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On March 18 2014 06:02 kyunghwan wrote:
What an awkward press release. I can understand some of this outrage over the skepticism of the post, but the author/LYGF do themselves no favors with such a weird post. The release should have been posted on their own website and linked to there, but there's nothing. The use of the collective pronouns in the original post and the use of the singular pronoun in the edit does feel sketchy. Either the author is speaking on behalf of the organization or he's not, he should choose one and stick with it.
I tend to think he's speaking for himself with very little knowledge of the actual situation because the original post is a bunch of fluff statements ("With a tear in our eye and a heavy heart", "While we realize that not everything...", "worked with rising stars...") that have nothing to do with a company closing due to the CEO having health problems. Furthermore, if a company is willing to refer to their CEO as such, there should exist some company structure to warrant that title (the title is meaningless without any employees to distinguish yourself from). So if there is some company type structure, then it would seem to be in the best interest of all the people involved in this team to explore scenarios to carry on their brand even if they have to drop most/all of their professional roster. They started as a "semi-professional gaming society" (liquipedia), so they could conceivably pursue that goal. That they do not, and that there is no mention of any contingency plans (for instance, the CEO was aware of the possibility of his condition worsening) reeks of something else going on.
But back to the post, it really is weird. It starts off with a very emotional reason, but then goes off into the team's history with the community and then name-drops their players. Take out the parts where the CEO is suffering from a terminal heart illness, and the post becomes a eulogy for a discontinued team. A half-hearted eulogy of a team is a peculiar way to remember a person's legacy. The author's note is even worse; using an emotional appeal and tying it in with the team's name is so tacky and tasteless. If you're an acute observer, the whole post makes itself incredibly hard to believe in. Like, why is the only quote the author has of the CEO is about a "bucket list", but no closing remarks on what a great experience the team was, how he felt his legacy will be remembered in the SC2 community, etc?
Examining the OP's previous posts and this release, there is a lot to be skeptical about. If you read the post and get outraged at the skepticism, I think you should try looking at what you're putting so much stock in. It is essentially: "LYGF CEO has increased complications in terminal heart illness, disbands team". The first part is unremarkable, either he does or he doesn't, we can't verify that. The second part is more interesting because it involves player contracts. The wording seems ambiguous on whether the contracts expire at the end of this month (which would mean a 3 month contract for Tassadar and Genius) or the contracts are being terminated upon dissolution of the company. Since the wording puts emphasis that they will be paid through the month, and two 3 month contracts seem unlikely, I would say that the contracts are being unilaterally terminated. If that's the case, then there is financial incentive in dissolving the company. That said, financial incentive doesn't make him a bad person, but I don't see any problem in calling that part out for what it is because it could put the players in a very tight spot with short notice.
I think i could expand on this. I'm the writer, and While the statement was written for the entire team as a whole, the "other notes" section and replies to comments were made by myself. I'm the writer, and i wasn't aware of how much the players were being paid, or anything like that. I personally thought the "bucket list" part was very touching and wanted to include that. As for how i worded the player contracts, thats literally verbatim what he told me when i asked if the players we getting paid. As for why we didn't continue the team, i don't have all the details (he only talked to me about things if they concerned stories i was writing) but this was Pascals dream, and his team at heart. it would feel wrong to continue it without him. I hope i can answer any other questions you have, but again, i was just the writer. i wasn't included in, nor did i ask to be included in, the financials of the team. I hope this adds some clarity.
ALSO: this wasn't posted on the website because only Pascal can post things to the website, and he's not really in a good condition to be doing a whole lot right now.
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Lol good stuff penguinator I didn't even know it was that bad, as I had only read the first few posts of that mario thread. But I'm not surprised other players came forward and confirmed the shadiness. This only increases my skepticism further.
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On March 18 2014 06:00 Canucklehead wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 05:54 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 05:27 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 05:22 fishjie wrote:On March 18 2014 03:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 03:15 blarkh wrote:On March 18 2014 01:41 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 00:59 Pirfiktshon wrote:
Honestly I stopped reading after all teh stupid crap started.....
LYGF is and was an awesome team. They might not have been well known but they still had some serious talent in that group.....
1 Thing I'm going to mention as a suggestion instead of all this hatred. I am wondering if Basetrade TV would be willing to host a fundraising tournament of SC2 in the name of Pascal Anton to help him in his time of need for giving so much to the community....... Which community are you talking about ? LYGF has been up for ONE year, with only one interesting recruit, Genius, no results and a shady history of not paying players, which was proven by facts. People get diseases and die, it's sad, but such is life. We as a community have been fucked by stupid brats who thought they could get away with everything and blatantly lied to us, so this is how some of us respond : sorry, but shit happens. I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ? Definitely guilty until proven innocent. That's what you get for not being honest with people. Yes, it must be very hard for you as a community. Probably, you as a community should see a shrink and get group therapy or whatever. Poor you as a community. But I think you as a community shouldn't judge people to be guily until proven innocent. You as a community might just expect there to be assholes and there to be guys that aren't and then just not judge them at all in public forums at all, because let's face it, you as a community have no obligation and hardly any right to judge people, especially if you have so little way of knowing what's true and what isn't. Because if you're just going to make fun of everyone claiming to be fatally ill on the chance that they're lying, statistics say that a couple of times, you're going to be that asshole that made fun of someone dying. Is that worth it for having made that killer joke everybody laughed about? (Except, of course, people who don't think people dying is anything to make fun of, even if it turned out not to be true in this particular case). Yeah I can't believe this dude. "We as a community have been fucked..." Are you serious dude? Get a fucking grip. How has the community been "fucked?" If you feel "fucked" by anything like this then you need to take a step back and think about your life. Because these are not the kinds of things that should "fuck" you. But maybe he's just fifteen or something and has no perspective and thinks he's getting fucked when really nothing's happening. In that case life will have to hit him like a ton of bricks later to set him straight. Edit: "I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ?" Until then you're just going to be a complete dick because if you're sorry later then it's okay? Yeah this is definitely a kid. 15 or 16 probably. I won't say much more then because he's basically a punching bag in that case and it's not really fair for me to rip him to pieces. Get a grip? Lol you're the one raging because people are expressing skepticism. Very few posters, if any, would think its okay to laugh at someone dying of a terminal illness. But that's not what's happening. Shady team with mysterious investor, shady drama brought to light, and now the team is disbanding. If this were a venerable team like liquid or EG people would be lining up to offer their support and condolences. But given this team and its dubious history, of course a lot of people are expressing doubts. Nah don't try to think. I'm already labeled as a 15 year old looser for not believing immediately what the Internet throws at me. You'll lose your soul. It's called being polite. Lol, this coming from you who hasn't been polite at all in this thread, throwing out the f bombs, calling people retards, morons, etc. You seem very angry. You should calm down. The way you treat people in this thread, I don't think an outside observer would classify you as a good person, but me being the good person that I am, will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume there might be some good in you yet! It's called being polite!
Considering the way they are acting, I don't feel I owe them any polite treatment. They gave up that right when they refused to honor it in others. I'm pretty calm though in real life right now. I mean, you have to look past the screen and think about what I probably actually look like. My face isn't read and I don't have smoke coming out of my ears. I'm just saying what needs to be said.
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On March 18 2014 06:03 Arthayze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 05:54 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 05:27 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 05:22 fishjie wrote:On March 18 2014 03:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 03:15 blarkh wrote:On March 18 2014 01:41 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 00:59 Pirfiktshon wrote:
Honestly I stopped reading after all teh stupid crap started.....
LYGF is and was an awesome team. They might not have been well known but they still had some serious talent in that group.....
1 Thing I'm going to mention as a suggestion instead of all this hatred. I am wondering if Basetrade TV would be willing to host a fundraising tournament of SC2 in the name of Pascal Anton to help him in his time of need for giving so much to the community....... Which community are you talking about ? LYGF has been up for ONE year, with only one interesting recruit, Genius, no results and a shady history of not paying players, which was proven by facts. People get diseases and die, it's sad, but such is life. We as a community have been fucked by stupid brats who thought they could get away with everything and blatantly lied to us, so this is how some of us respond : sorry, but shit happens. I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ? Definitely guilty until proven innocent. That's what you get for not being honest with people. Yes, it must be very hard for you as a community. Probably, you as a community should see a shrink and get group therapy or whatever. Poor you as a community. But I think you as a community shouldn't judge people to be guily until proven innocent. You as a community might just expect there to be assholes and there to be guys that aren't and then just not judge them at all in public forums at all, because let's face it, you as a community have no obligation and hardly any right to judge people, especially if you have so little way of knowing what's true and what isn't. Because if you're just going to make fun of everyone claiming to be fatally ill on the chance that they're lying, statistics say that a couple of times, you're going to be that asshole that made fun of someone dying. Is that worth it for having made that killer joke everybody laughed about? (Except, of course, people who don't think people dying is anything to make fun of, even if it turned out not to be true in this particular case). Yeah I can't believe this dude. "We as a community have been fucked..." Are you serious dude? Get a fucking grip. How has the community been "fucked?" If you feel "fucked" by anything like this then you need to take a step back and think about your life. Because these are not the kinds of things that should "fuck" you. But maybe he's just fifteen or something and has no perspective and thinks he's getting fucked when really nothing's happening. In that case life will have to hit him like a ton of bricks later to set him straight. Edit: "I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ?" Until then you're just going to be a complete dick because if you're sorry later then it's okay? Yeah this is definitely a kid. 15 or 16 probably. I won't say much more then because he's basically a punching bag in that case and it's not really fair for me to rip him to pieces. Get a grip? Lol you're the one raging because people are expressing skepticism. Very few posters, if any, would think its okay to laugh at someone dying of a terminal illness. But that's not what's happening. Shady team with mysterious investor, shady drama brought to light, and now the team is disbanding. If this were a venerable team like liquid or EG people would be lining up to offer their support and condolences. But given this team and its dubious history, of course a lot of people are expressing doubts. Nah don't try to think. I'm already labeled as a 15 year old looser for not believing immediately what the Internet throws at me. You'll lose your soul. It's not a question of immediate belief. You assume the best in people. That's what good people do. If you automatically assume the worst in people, then you are a bad person. You don't have to be devoted to your belief, but you should give people the benefit of the doubt despite your disbelief. It's called being polite. If you automatically assume the worst in people, then you're someone mature enough to believe human's nature can be bad. It means you're a grown up and understand that people fuck up, and that Internet is a big fat book of lies and deceit. In my world, I'm an adult using my brain. In your world I'm a bad person. I have not judged anyone except through the proofs and facts that were given to me, and yet you judge me for thinking differently. It's called being prejudiced.
Thinking that human nature can be bad is immature, or at the very least I would say that it shows a lack of thought on the subject. The whole concept of moral responsibility and the idea of duty comes from the fact that human nature has a capacity for goodness.
Rationality is one of the defining aspects of human beings which separates us from other creatures. The rational aspect of our soul guides us toward the good. If this is not true, then why is it that rationality tells us to think poorly of those who behave badly? Clearly it is because morality is derived from reason itself. Thus, it is in our nature to be moral just as it is in our nature to be rational. If a human being is bad it means that they have forsaken their humanity and given themselves up to animalistic desires at the expense of their moral obligations.
If it is in our nature to be rational, and reason points toward the good, it is impossible to think that it is in the nature of human beings to be bad. If you think that human beings are bad by nature, then it means you haven't given enough thought to the subject, or it means that you have submitted yourself to baseless pessimism which stems from a lack of maturity in the mind.
So you might think that this is somehow relative and I'm just judging you for thinking differently. But in fact, your way of thinking is wrong. Yes that's possible, and yes in this case it's true. I am right and you are wrong. There is no arguing this.
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On March 18 2014 07:01 MichaelDonovan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 06:00 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2014 05:54 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 05:27 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 05:22 fishjie wrote:On March 18 2014 03:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 03:15 blarkh wrote:On March 18 2014 01:41 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 00:59 Pirfiktshon wrote:
Honestly I stopped reading after all teh stupid crap started.....
LYGF is and was an awesome team. They might not have been well known but they still had some serious talent in that group.....
1 Thing I'm going to mention as a suggestion instead of all this hatred. I am wondering if Basetrade TV would be willing to host a fundraising tournament of SC2 in the name of Pascal Anton to help him in his time of need for giving so much to the community....... Which community are you talking about ? LYGF has been up for ONE year, with only one interesting recruit, Genius, no results and a shady history of not paying players, which was proven by facts. People get diseases and die, it's sad, but such is life. We as a community have been fucked by stupid brats who thought they could get away with everything and blatantly lied to us, so this is how some of us respond : sorry, but shit happens. I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ? Definitely guilty until proven innocent. That's what you get for not being honest with people. Yes, it must be very hard for you as a community. Probably, you as a community should see a shrink and get group therapy or whatever. Poor you as a community. But I think you as a community shouldn't judge people to be guily until proven innocent. You as a community might just expect there to be assholes and there to be guys that aren't and then just not judge them at all in public forums at all, because let's face it, you as a community have no obligation and hardly any right to judge people, especially if you have so little way of knowing what's true and what isn't. Because if you're just going to make fun of everyone claiming to be fatally ill on the chance that they're lying, statistics say that a couple of times, you're going to be that asshole that made fun of someone dying. Is that worth it for having made that killer joke everybody laughed about? (Except, of course, people who don't think people dying is anything to make fun of, even if it turned out not to be true in this particular case). Yeah I can't believe this dude. "We as a community have been fucked..." Are you serious dude? Get a fucking grip. How has the community been "fucked?" If you feel "fucked" by anything like this then you need to take a step back and think about your life. Because these are not the kinds of things that should "fuck" you. But maybe he's just fifteen or something and has no perspective and thinks he's getting fucked when really nothing's happening. In that case life will have to hit him like a ton of bricks later to set him straight. Edit: "I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ?" Until then you're just going to be a complete dick because if you're sorry later then it's okay? Yeah this is definitely a kid. 15 or 16 probably. I won't say much more then because he's basically a punching bag in that case and it's not really fair for me to rip him to pieces. Get a grip? Lol you're the one raging because people are expressing skepticism. Very few posters, if any, would think its okay to laugh at someone dying of a terminal illness. But that's not what's happening. Shady team with mysterious investor, shady drama brought to light, and now the team is disbanding. If this were a venerable team like liquid or EG people would be lining up to offer their support and condolences. But given this team and its dubious history, of course a lot of people are expressing doubts. Nah don't try to think. I'm already labeled as a 15 year old looser for not believing immediately what the Internet throws at me. You'll lose your soul. It's called being polite. Lol, this coming from you who hasn't been polite at all in this thread, throwing out the f bombs, calling people retards, morons, etc. You seem very angry. You should calm down. The way you treat people in this thread, I don't think an outside observer would classify you as a good person, but me being the good person that I am, will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume there might be some good in you yet! It's called being polite! Considering the way they are acting, I don't feel I owe them any polite treatment. They gave up that right when they refused to honor it in others. I'm pretty calm though in real life right now. I mean, you have to look past the screen and think about what I probably actually look like. My face isn't read and I don't have smoke coming out of my ears. I'm just saying what needs to be said.
The Lord Hath Spoken. Continue your journey as a knight of good against evildoers like people who disagree with you. I could argue for long to defend my point of view if winning an argument on TL wasn't like the special Olympics.
You know even if you win, you're still retarded.
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On March 18 2014 07:16 Arthayze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 07:01 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 06:00 Canucklehead wrote:On March 18 2014 05:54 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 05:27 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 05:22 fishjie wrote:On March 18 2014 03:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 03:15 blarkh wrote:On March 18 2014 01:41 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 00:59 Pirfiktshon wrote:
Honestly I stopped reading after all teh stupid crap started.....
LYGF is and was an awesome team. They might not have been well known but they still had some serious talent in that group.....
1 Thing I'm going to mention as a suggestion instead of all this hatred. I am wondering if Basetrade TV would be willing to host a fundraising tournament of SC2 in the name of Pascal Anton to help him in his time of need for giving so much to the community....... Which community are you talking about ? LYGF has been up for ONE year, with only one interesting recruit, Genius, no results and a shady history of not paying players, which was proven by facts. People get diseases and die, it's sad, but such is life. We as a community have been fucked by stupid brats who thought they could get away with everything and blatantly lied to us, so this is how some of us respond : sorry, but shit happens. I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ? Definitely guilty until proven innocent. That's what you get for not being honest with people. Yes, it must be very hard for you as a community. Probably, you as a community should see a shrink and get group therapy or whatever. Poor you as a community. But I think you as a community shouldn't judge people to be guily until proven innocent. You as a community might just expect there to be assholes and there to be guys that aren't and then just not judge them at all in public forums at all, because let's face it, you as a community have no obligation and hardly any right to judge people, especially if you have so little way of knowing what's true and what isn't. Because if you're just going to make fun of everyone claiming to be fatally ill on the chance that they're lying, statistics say that a couple of times, you're going to be that asshole that made fun of someone dying. Is that worth it for having made that killer joke everybody laughed about? (Except, of course, people who don't think people dying is anything to make fun of, even if it turned out not to be true in this particular case). Yeah I can't believe this dude. "We as a community have been fucked..." Are you serious dude? Get a fucking grip. How has the community been "fucked?" If you feel "fucked" by anything like this then you need to take a step back and think about your life. Because these are not the kinds of things that should "fuck" you. But maybe he's just fifteen or something and has no perspective and thinks he's getting fucked when really nothing's happening. In that case life will have to hit him like a ton of bricks later to set him straight. Edit: "I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ?" Until then you're just going to be a complete dick because if you're sorry later then it's okay? Yeah this is definitely a kid. 15 or 16 probably. I won't say much more then because he's basically a punching bag in that case and it's not really fair for me to rip him to pieces. Get a grip? Lol you're the one raging because people are expressing skepticism. Very few posters, if any, would think its okay to laugh at someone dying of a terminal illness. But that's not what's happening. Shady team with mysterious investor, shady drama brought to light, and now the team is disbanding. If this were a venerable team like liquid or EG people would be lining up to offer their support and condolences. But given this team and its dubious history, of course a lot of people are expressing doubts. Nah don't try to think. I'm already labeled as a 15 year old looser for not believing immediately what the Internet throws at me. You'll lose your soul. It's called being polite. Lol, this coming from you who hasn't been polite at all in this thread, throwing out the f bombs, calling people retards, morons, etc. You seem very angry. You should calm down. The way you treat people in this thread, I don't think an outside observer would classify you as a good person, but me being the good person that I am, will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume there might be some good in you yet! It's called being polite! Considering the way they are acting, I don't feel I owe them any polite treatment. They gave up that right when they refused to honor it in others. I'm pretty calm though in real life right now. I mean, you have to look past the screen and think about what I probably actually look like. My face isn't read and I don't have smoke coming out of my ears. I'm just saying what needs to be said. The Lord Hath Spoken. Continue your journey as a knight of good against evildoers like people who disagree with you. I could argue for long to defend my point of view if winning an argument on TL wasn't like the special Olympics. You know even if you win, you're still retarded.
Well that's not very nice. You might hurt some people feelings!
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On March 18 2014 07:11 MichaelDonovan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 06:03 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 05:54 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 05:27 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 05:22 fishjie wrote:On March 18 2014 03:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 03:15 blarkh wrote:On March 18 2014 01:41 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 00:59 Pirfiktshon wrote:
Honestly I stopped reading after all teh stupid crap started.....
LYGF is and was an awesome team. They might not have been well known but they still had some serious talent in that group.....
1 Thing I'm going to mention as a suggestion instead of all this hatred. I am wondering if Basetrade TV would be willing to host a fundraising tournament of SC2 in the name of Pascal Anton to help him in his time of need for giving so much to the community....... Which community are you talking about ? LYGF has been up for ONE year, with only one interesting recruit, Genius, no results and a shady history of not paying players, which was proven by facts. People get diseases and die, it's sad, but such is life. We as a community have been fucked by stupid brats who thought they could get away with everything and blatantly lied to us, so this is how some of us respond : sorry, but shit happens. I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ? Definitely guilty until proven innocent. That's what you get for not being honest with people. Yes, it must be very hard for you as a community. Probably, you as a community should see a shrink and get group therapy or whatever. Poor you as a community. But I think you as a community shouldn't judge people to be guily until proven innocent. You as a community might just expect there to be assholes and there to be guys that aren't and then just not judge them at all in public forums at all, because let's face it, you as a community have no obligation and hardly any right to judge people, especially if you have so little way of knowing what's true and what isn't. Because if you're just going to make fun of everyone claiming to be fatally ill on the chance that they're lying, statistics say that a couple of times, you're going to be that asshole that made fun of someone dying. Is that worth it for having made that killer joke everybody laughed about? (Except, of course, people who don't think people dying is anything to make fun of, even if it turned out not to be true in this particular case). Yeah I can't believe this dude. "We as a community have been fucked..." Are you serious dude? Get a fucking grip. How has the community been "fucked?" If you feel "fucked" by anything like this then you need to take a step back and think about your life. Because these are not the kinds of things that should "fuck" you. But maybe he's just fifteen or something and has no perspective and thinks he's getting fucked when really nothing's happening. In that case life will have to hit him like a ton of bricks later to set him straight. Edit: "I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ?" Until then you're just going to be a complete dick because if you're sorry later then it's okay? Yeah this is definitely a kid. 15 or 16 probably. I won't say much more then because he's basically a punching bag in that case and it's not really fair for me to rip him to pieces. Get a grip? Lol you're the one raging because people are expressing skepticism. Very few posters, if any, would think its okay to laugh at someone dying of a terminal illness. But that's not what's happening. Shady team with mysterious investor, shady drama brought to light, and now the team is disbanding. If this were a venerable team like liquid or EG people would be lining up to offer their support and condolences. But given this team and its dubious history, of course a lot of people are expressing doubts. Nah don't try to think. I'm already labeled as a 15 year old looser for not believing immediately what the Internet throws at me. You'll lose your soul. It's not a question of immediate belief. You assume the best in people. That's what good people do. If you automatically assume the worst in people, then you are a bad person. You don't have to be devoted to your belief, but you should give people the benefit of the doubt despite your disbelief. It's called being polite. If you automatically assume the worst in people, then you're someone mature enough to believe human's nature can be bad. It means you're a grown up and understand that people fuck up, and that Internet is a big fat book of lies and deceit. In my world, I'm an adult using my brain. In your world I'm a bad person. I have not judged anyone except through the proofs and facts that were given to me, and yet you judge me for thinking differently. It's called being prejudiced. Thinking that human nature can be bad is immature, or at the very least I would say that it shows a lack of thought on the subject. The whole concept of moral responsibility and the idea of duty comes from the fact that human nature has a capacity for goodness.
Homo homini lupus est. Thomas Hobbes in The Leviathan discusses this idea. But I guess with your sword of righteousness stuck up your bum you don't need to read books to claim to know it all. You're on it with the lack of thought though, I've definitely not read every book on the human condition. (a lot, though)
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On March 18 2014 07:27 Arthayze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 07:11 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 06:03 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 05:54 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 05:27 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 05:22 fishjie wrote:On March 18 2014 03:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 03:15 blarkh wrote:On March 18 2014 01:41 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 00:59 Pirfiktshon wrote:
Honestly I stopped reading after all teh stupid crap started.....
LYGF is and was an awesome team. They might not have been well known but they still had some serious talent in that group.....
1 Thing I'm going to mention as a suggestion instead of all this hatred. I am wondering if Basetrade TV would be willing to host a fundraising tournament of SC2 in the name of Pascal Anton to help him in his time of need for giving so much to the community....... Which community are you talking about ? LYGF has been up for ONE year, with only one interesting recruit, Genius, no results and a shady history of not paying players, which was proven by facts. People get diseases and die, it's sad, but such is life. We as a community have been fucked by stupid brats who thought they could get away with everything and blatantly lied to us, so this is how some of us respond : sorry, but shit happens. I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ? Definitely guilty until proven innocent. That's what you get for not being honest with people. Yes, it must be very hard for you as a community. Probably, you as a community should see a shrink and get group therapy or whatever. Poor you as a community. But I think you as a community shouldn't judge people to be guily until proven innocent. You as a community might just expect there to be assholes and there to be guys that aren't and then just not judge them at all in public forums at all, because let's face it, you as a community have no obligation and hardly any right to judge people, especially if you have so little way of knowing what's true and what isn't. Because if you're just going to make fun of everyone claiming to be fatally ill on the chance that they're lying, statistics say that a couple of times, you're going to be that asshole that made fun of someone dying. Is that worth it for having made that killer joke everybody laughed about? (Except, of course, people who don't think people dying is anything to make fun of, even if it turned out not to be true in this particular case). Yeah I can't believe this dude. "We as a community have been fucked..." Are you serious dude? Get a fucking grip. How has the community been "fucked?" If you feel "fucked" by anything like this then you need to take a step back and think about your life. Because these are not the kinds of things that should "fuck" you. But maybe he's just fifteen or something and has no perspective and thinks he's getting fucked when really nothing's happening. In that case life will have to hit him like a ton of bricks later to set him straight. Edit: "I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ?" Until then you're just going to be a complete dick because if you're sorry later then it's okay? Yeah this is definitely a kid. 15 or 16 probably. I won't say much more then because he's basically a punching bag in that case and it's not really fair for me to rip him to pieces. Get a grip? Lol you're the one raging because people are expressing skepticism. Very few posters, if any, would think its okay to laugh at someone dying of a terminal illness. But that's not what's happening. Shady team with mysterious investor, shady drama brought to light, and now the team is disbanding. If this were a venerable team like liquid or EG people would be lining up to offer their support and condolences. But given this team and its dubious history, of course a lot of people are expressing doubts. Nah don't try to think. I'm already labeled as a 15 year old looser for not believing immediately what the Internet throws at me. You'll lose your soul. It's not a question of immediate belief. You assume the best in people. That's what good people do. If you automatically assume the worst in people, then you are a bad person. You don't have to be devoted to your belief, but you should give people the benefit of the doubt despite your disbelief. It's called being polite. If you automatically assume the worst in people, then you're someone mature enough to believe human's nature can be bad. It means you're a grown up and understand that people fuck up, and that Internet is a big fat book of lies and deceit. In my world, I'm an adult using my brain. In your world I'm a bad person. I have not judged anyone except through the proofs and facts that were given to me, and yet you judge me for thinking differently. It's called being prejudiced. Thinking that human nature can be bad is immature, or at the very least I would say that it shows a lack of thought on the subject. The whole concept of moral responsibility and the idea of duty comes from the fact that human nature has a capacity for goodness. Homo homini lupus est. Thomas Hobbes in The Leviathan discusses this idea. But I guess with your sword of righteousness stuck up your bum you don't need to read books to claim to know it all. You're on it with the lack of thought though, I've definitely not read any book on human condition while studying for my PHD in philosophy.
I've written papers on how wrong Hobbes is on this subject, and in general I don't care for the way Hobbes does philosophy. He might be well known, but it doesn't mean he is right.
Good luck with the PhD by the way. It's a bunch of hard work and it seems like you'll never finish, but once you do it feels pretty good.
But now that this has gone about 7 leagues off topic I think this will be my last post on the subject.
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On March 18 2014 07:32 MichaelDonovan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 07:27 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 07:11 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 06:03 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 05:54 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 05:27 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 05:22 fishjie wrote:On March 18 2014 03:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 03:15 blarkh wrote:On March 18 2014 01:41 Arthayze wrote:
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Which community are you talking about ?
LYGF has been up for ONE year, with only one interesting recruit, Genius, no results and a shady history of not paying players, which was proven by facts. People get diseases and die, it's sad, but such is life.
We as a community have been fucked by stupid brats who thought they could get away with everything and blatantly lied to us, so this is how some of us respond : sorry, but shit happens. I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ? Definitely guilty until proven innocent. That's what you get for not being honest with people.
Yes, it must be very hard for you as a community. Probably, you as a community should see a shrink and get group therapy or whatever. Poor you as a community. But I think you as a community shouldn't judge people to be guily until proven innocent. You as a community might just expect there to be assholes and there to be guys that aren't and then just not judge them at all in public forums at all, because let's face it, you as a community have no obligation and hardly any right to judge people, especially if you have so little way of knowing what's true and what isn't. Because if you're just going to make fun of everyone claiming to be fatally ill on the chance that they're lying, statistics say that a couple of times, you're going to be that asshole that made fun of someone dying. Is that worth it for having made that killer joke everybody laughed about? (Except, of course, people who don't think people dying is anything to make fun of, even if it turned out not to be true in this particular case). Yeah I can't believe this dude. "We as a community have been fucked..." Are you serious dude? Get a fucking grip. How has the community been "fucked?" If you feel "fucked" by anything like this then you need to take a step back and think about your life. Because these are not the kinds of things that should "fuck" you. But maybe he's just fifteen or something and has no perspective and thinks he's getting fucked when really nothing's happening. In that case life will have to hit him like a ton of bricks later to set him straight. Edit: "I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ?" Until then you're just going to be a complete dick because if you're sorry later then it's okay? Yeah this is definitely a kid. 15 or 16 probably. I won't say much more then because he's basically a punching bag in that case and it's not really fair for me to rip him to pieces. Get a grip? Lol you're the one raging because people are expressing skepticism. Very few posters, if any, would think its okay to laugh at someone dying of a terminal illness. But that's not what's happening. Shady team with mysterious investor, shady drama brought to light, and now the team is disbanding. If this were a venerable team like liquid or EG people would be lining up to offer their support and condolences. But given this team and its dubious history, of course a lot of people are expressing doubts. Nah don't try to think. I'm already labeled as a 15 year old looser for not believing immediately what the Internet throws at me. You'll lose your soul. It's not a question of immediate belief. You assume the best in people. That's what good people do. If you automatically assume the worst in people, then you are a bad person. You don't have to be devoted to your belief, but you should give people the benefit of the doubt despite your disbelief. It's called being polite. If you automatically assume the worst in people, then you're someone mature enough to believe human's nature can be bad. It means you're a grown up and understand that people fuck up, and that Internet is a big fat book of lies and deceit. In my world, I'm an adult using my brain. In your world I'm a bad person. I have not judged anyone except through the proofs and facts that were given to me, and yet you judge me for thinking differently. It's called being prejudiced. Thinking that human nature can be bad is immature, or at the very least I would say that it shows a lack of thought on the subject. The whole concept of moral responsibility and the idea of duty comes from the fact that human nature has a capacity for goodness. Homo homini lupus est. Thomas Hobbes in The Leviathan discusses this idea. But I guess with your sword of righteousness stuck up your bum you don't need to read books to claim to know it all. You're on it with the lack of thought though, I've definitely not read any book on human condition while studying for my PHD in philosophy. I've written papers on how wrong Hobbes is on this subject, and in general I don't care for the way Hobbes does philosophy. He might be well known, but it doesn't mean he is right. Good luck with the PhD by the way. It's a bunch of hard work and it seems like you'll never finish, but once you do it feels pretty good. But now that this has gone about 7 leagues off topic I think this will be my last post on the subject.
Thanks for the good luck, although wouldn't have helped when I aced this shit 3 years ago. But hey english language is hard to understand sometimes you've just misread what I meant when talking about studying. Would like to read the papers you wrote on rebutting Hobbes though, never heard of it before but if you did it well it surely must have made history.
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On March 18 2014 05:57 MichaelDonovan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 05:22 fishjie wrote:On March 18 2014 03:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 03:15 blarkh wrote:On March 18 2014 01:41 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 00:59 Pirfiktshon wrote:
Honestly I stopped reading after all teh stupid crap started.....
LYGF is and was an awesome team. They might not have been well known but they still had some serious talent in that group.....
1 Thing I'm going to mention as a suggestion instead of all this hatred. I am wondering if Basetrade TV would be willing to host a fundraising tournament of SC2 in the name of Pascal Anton to help him in his time of need for giving so much to the community....... Which community are you talking about ? LYGF has been up for ONE year, with only one interesting recruit, Genius, no results and a shady history of not paying players, which was proven by facts. People get diseases and die, it's sad, but such is life. We as a community have been fucked by stupid brats who thought they could get away with everything and blatantly lied to us, so this is how some of us respond : sorry, but shit happens. I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ? Definitely guilty until proven innocent. That's what you get for not being honest with people. Yes, it must be very hard for you as a community. Probably, you as a community should see a shrink and get group therapy or whatever. Poor you as a community. But I think you as a community shouldn't judge people to be guily until proven innocent. You as a community might just expect there to be assholes and there to be guys that aren't and then just not judge them at all in public forums at all, because let's face it, you as a community have no obligation and hardly any right to judge people, especially if you have so little way of knowing what's true and what isn't. Because if you're just going to make fun of everyone claiming to be fatally ill on the chance that they're lying, statistics say that a couple of times, you're going to be that asshole that made fun of someone dying. Is that worth it for having made that killer joke everybody laughed about? (Except, of course, people who don't think people dying is anything to make fun of, even if it turned out not to be true in this particular case). Yeah I can't believe this dude. "We as a community have been fucked..." Are you serious dude? Get a fucking grip. How has the community been "fucked?" If you feel "fucked" by anything like this then you need to take a step back and think about your life. Because these are not the kinds of things that should "fuck" you. But maybe he's just fifteen or something and has no perspective and thinks he's getting fucked when really nothing's happening. In that case life will have to hit him like a ton of bricks later to set him straight. Edit: "I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ?" Until then you're just going to be a complete dick because if you're sorry later then it's okay? Yeah this is definitely a kid. 15 or 16 probably. I won't say much more then because he's basically a punching bag in that case and it's not really fair for me to rip him to pieces. Get a grip? Lol you're the one raging because people are expressing skepticism. Very few posters, if any, would think its okay to laugh at someone dying of a terminal illness. But that's not what's happening. Shady team with mysterious investor, shady drama brought to light, and now the team is disbanding. If this were a venerable team like liquid or EG people would be lining up to offer their support and condolences. But given this team and its dubious history, of course a lot of people are expressing doubts. What dubious history? This particular team is not shady in any way as far as we know. There hasn't been any reason for believing that they are shady. If there is, link it to me. But basically what I mean by "goodbye TL" is that I'm done trying to be nice to people and mind my manners and be a respectful "community member" around here. I am not a part of this community anymore. But I will post here to call you idiots out on your idiocy when I feel like it. Nothing ragy about this. I'm just done being nice to you morons.
How, exactly, does being skeptical make people morons? Being skeptical of the situation doesn't mean judging anyone, assuming anything, or making fun of anyone, it's just the logical stance to have given the situation. If you're talking about the people making a joke of it, well they chose a bad time and place to make a joke but it still doesn't make them morons.
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On March 18 2014 08:01 knOxStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 05:57 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 05:22 fishjie wrote:On March 18 2014 03:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 03:15 blarkh wrote:On March 18 2014 01:41 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 00:59 Pirfiktshon wrote:
Honestly I stopped reading after all teh stupid crap started.....
LYGF is and was an awesome team. They might not have been well known but they still had some serious talent in that group.....
1 Thing I'm going to mention as a suggestion instead of all this hatred. I am wondering if Basetrade TV would be willing to host a fundraising tournament of SC2 in the name of Pascal Anton to help him in his time of need for giving so much to the community....... Which community are you talking about ? LYGF has been up for ONE year, with only one interesting recruit, Genius, no results and a shady history of not paying players, which was proven by facts. People get diseases and die, it's sad, but such is life. We as a community have been fucked by stupid brats who thought they could get away with everything and blatantly lied to us, so this is how some of us respond : sorry, but shit happens. I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ? Definitely guilty until proven innocent. That's what you get for not being honest with people. Yes, it must be very hard for you as a community. Probably, you as a community should see a shrink and get group therapy or whatever. Poor you as a community. But I think you as a community shouldn't judge people to be guily until proven innocent. You as a community might just expect there to be assholes and there to be guys that aren't and then just not judge them at all in public forums at all, because let's face it, you as a community have no obligation and hardly any right to judge people, especially if you have so little way of knowing what's true and what isn't. Because if you're just going to make fun of everyone claiming to be fatally ill on the chance that they're lying, statistics say that a couple of times, you're going to be that asshole that made fun of someone dying. Is that worth it for having made that killer joke everybody laughed about? (Except, of course, people who don't think people dying is anything to make fun of, even if it turned out not to be true in this particular case). Yeah I can't believe this dude. "We as a community have been fucked..." Are you serious dude? Get a fucking grip. How has the community been "fucked?" If you feel "fucked" by anything like this then you need to take a step back and think about your life. Because these are not the kinds of things that should "fuck" you. But maybe he's just fifteen or something and has no perspective and thinks he's getting fucked when really nothing's happening. In that case life will have to hit him like a ton of bricks later to set him straight. Edit: "I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ?" Until then you're just going to be a complete dick because if you're sorry later then it's okay? Yeah this is definitely a kid. 15 or 16 probably. I won't say much more then because he's basically a punching bag in that case and it's not really fair for me to rip him to pieces. Get a grip? Lol you're the one raging because people are expressing skepticism. Very few posters, if any, would think its okay to laugh at someone dying of a terminal illness. But that's not what's happening. Shady team with mysterious investor, shady drama brought to light, and now the team is disbanding. If this were a venerable team like liquid or EG people would be lining up to offer their support and condolences. But given this team and its dubious history, of course a lot of people are expressing doubts. What dubious history? This particular team is not shady in any way as far as we know. There hasn't been any reason for believing that they are shady. If there is, link it to me. But basically what I mean by "goodbye TL" is that I'm done trying to be nice to people and mind my manners and be a respectful "community member" around here. I am not a part of this community anymore. But I will post here to call you idiots out on your idiocy when I feel like it. Nothing ragy about this. I'm just done being nice to you morons. How, exactly, does being skeptical make people morons? Being skeptical of the situation doesn't mean judging anyone, assuming anything, or making fun of anyone, it's just the logical stance to have given the situation. If you're talking about the people making a joke of it, well they chose a bad time and place to make a joke but it still doesn't make them morons.
Well I was PM'd by a mod telling me not to call people morons anymore, so I won't. The reason I was was saying they are morons is because of the arguments they were using. Like saying "this community has been fucked" by team managers lying and stuff, as if the community is in any way fucked by such a thing, and saying that if it turns out he is actually dying, then they will apologize, as if apologizing makes it alright that they were being a dick in the first place.
You know? Like don't be a dick with the intention of apologizing later if it turns out you were wrong.
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On March 18 2014 07:45 Arthayze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 07:32 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 07:27 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 07:11 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 06:03 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 05:54 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 05:27 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 05:22 fishjie wrote:On March 18 2014 03:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 03:15 blarkh wrote:
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Yes, it must be very hard for you as a community. Probably, you as a community should see a shrink and get group therapy or whatever. Poor you as a community. But I think you as a community shouldn't judge people to be guily until proven innocent. You as a community might just expect there to be assholes and there to be guys that aren't and then just not judge them at all in public forums at all, because let's face it, you as a community have no obligation and hardly any right to judge people, especially if you have so little way of knowing what's true and what isn't. Because if you're just going to make fun of everyone claiming to be fatally ill on the chance that they're lying, statistics say that a couple of times, you're going to be that asshole that made fun of someone dying. Is that worth it for having made that killer joke everybody laughed about? (Except, of course, people who don't think people dying is anything to make fun of, even if it turned out not to be true in this particular case). Yeah I can't believe this dude. "We as a community have been fucked..." Are you serious dude? Get a fucking grip. How has the community been "fucked?" If you feel "fucked" by anything like this then you need to take a step back and think about your life. Because these are not the kinds of things that should "fuck" you. But maybe he's just fifteen or something and has no perspective and thinks he's getting fucked when really nothing's happening. In that case life will have to hit him like a ton of bricks later to set him straight. Edit: "I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ?" Until then you're just going to be a complete dick because if you're sorry later then it's okay? Yeah this is definitely a kid. 15 or 16 probably. I won't say much more then because he's basically a punching bag in that case and it's not really fair for me to rip him to pieces. Get a grip? Lol you're the one raging because people are expressing skepticism. Very few posters, if any, would think its okay to laugh at someone dying of a terminal illness. But that's not what's happening. Shady team with mysterious investor, shady drama brought to light, and now the team is disbanding. If this were a venerable team like liquid or EG people would be lining up to offer their support and condolences. But given this team and its dubious history, of course a lot of people are expressing doubts. Nah don't try to think. I'm already labeled as a 15 year old looser for not believing immediately what the Internet throws at me. You'll lose your soul. It's not a question of immediate belief. You assume the best in people. That's what good people do. If you automatically assume the worst in people, then you are a bad person. You don't have to be devoted to your belief, but you should give people the benefit of the doubt despite your disbelief. It's called being polite. If you automatically assume the worst in people, then you're someone mature enough to believe human's nature can be bad. It means you're a grown up and understand that people fuck up, and that Internet is a big fat book of lies and deceit. In my world, I'm an adult using my brain. In your world I'm a bad person. I have not judged anyone except through the proofs and facts that were given to me, and yet you judge me for thinking differently. It's called being prejudiced. Thinking that human nature can be bad is immature, or at the very least I would say that it shows a lack of thought on the subject. The whole concept of moral responsibility and the idea of duty comes from the fact that human nature has a capacity for goodness. Homo homini lupus est. Thomas Hobbes in The Leviathan discusses this idea. But I guess with your sword of righteousness stuck up your bum you don't need to read books to claim to know it all. You're on it with the lack of thought though, I've definitely not read any book on human condition while studying for my PHD in philosophy. I've written papers on how wrong Hobbes is on this subject, and in general I don't care for the way Hobbes does philosophy. He might be well known, but it doesn't mean he is right. Good luck with the PhD by the way. It's a bunch of hard work and it seems like you'll never finish, but once you do it feels pretty good. But now that this has gone about 7 leagues off topic I think this will be my last post on the subject. Thanks for the good luck, although wouldn't have helped when I aced this shit 3 years ago. But hey english language is hard to understand sometimes you've just misread what I meant when talking about studying. Would like to read the papers you wrote on rebutting Hobbes though, never heard of it before but if you did it well it surely must have made history.
Can't say this is really on topic but hey an argument on the internet went to Thomas Hobbes instead of "lel ur a bitch" or something so I dunno if I can really complain.
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On March 18 2014 08:09 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 07:45 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 07:32 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 07:27 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 07:11 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 06:03 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 05:54 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 05:27 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 05:22 fishjie wrote:On March 18 2014 03:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:
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Yeah I can't believe this dude. "We as a community have been fucked..." Are you serious dude? Get a fucking grip. How has the community been "fucked?" If you feel "fucked" by anything like this then you need to take a step back and think about your life. Because these are not the kinds of things that should "fuck" you. But maybe he's just fifteen or something and has no perspective and thinks he's getting fucked when really nothing's happening. In that case life will have to hit him like a ton of bricks later to set him straight.
Edit: "I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ?" Until then you're just going to be a complete dick because if you're sorry later then it's okay? Yeah this is definitely a kid. 15 or 16 probably. I won't say much more then because he's basically a punching bag in that case and it's not really fair for me to rip him to pieces. Get a grip? Lol you're the one raging because people are expressing skepticism. Very few posters, if any, would think its okay to laugh at someone dying of a terminal illness. But that's not what's happening. Shady team with mysterious investor, shady drama brought to light, and now the team is disbanding. If this were a venerable team like liquid or EG people would be lining up to offer their support and condolences. But given this team and its dubious history, of course a lot of people are expressing doubts. Nah don't try to think. I'm already labeled as a 15 year old looser for not believing immediately what the Internet throws at me. You'll lose your soul. It's not a question of immediate belief. You assume the best in people. That's what good people do. If you automatically assume the worst in people, then you are a bad person. You don't have to be devoted to your belief, but you should give people the benefit of the doubt despite your disbelief. It's called being polite. If you automatically assume the worst in people, then you're someone mature enough to believe human's nature can be bad. It means you're a grown up and understand that people fuck up, and that Internet is a big fat book of lies and deceit. In my world, I'm an adult using my brain. In your world I'm a bad person. I have not judged anyone except through the proofs and facts that were given to me, and yet you judge me for thinking differently. It's called being prejudiced. Thinking that human nature can be bad is immature, or at the very least I would say that it shows a lack of thought on the subject. The whole concept of moral responsibility and the idea of duty comes from the fact that human nature has a capacity for goodness. Homo homini lupus est. Thomas Hobbes in The Leviathan discusses this idea. But I guess with your sword of righteousness stuck up your bum you don't need to read books to claim to know it all. You're on it with the lack of thought though, I've definitely not read any book on human condition while studying for my PHD in philosophy. I've written papers on how wrong Hobbes is on this subject, and in general I don't care for the way Hobbes does philosophy. He might be well known, but it doesn't mean he is right. Good luck with the PhD by the way. It's a bunch of hard work and it seems like you'll never finish, but once you do it feels pretty good. But now that this has gone about 7 leagues off topic I think this will be my last post on the subject. Thanks for the good luck, although wouldn't have helped when I aced this shit 3 years ago. But hey english language is hard to understand sometimes you've just misread what I meant when talking about studying. Would like to read the papers you wrote on rebutting Hobbes though, never heard of it before but if you did it well it surely must have made history. Can't say this is really on topic but hey an argument on the internet went to Thomas Hobbes instead of "lel ur a bitch" or something so I dunno if I can really complain.
Yeah I've gone overboard. But you know what ? Quantic. Sons of starcraft. AZUBU. Papa John Pizza. We got fucked. I refuse to bend over without someone buying me a drink first now.
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What happened with Papa Johns? I did the pizza.gg thing and it worked great for me. /shrug
I always wanted a shirt that said Love Your Girlfriend ever since I heard about the team, I kinda feel like that would be a better name for a fashion company than SC2 eSport brand. If the CEO is serious you could possibly sell a lot of shirts.
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On March 18 2014 08:08 MichaelDonovan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 08:01 knOxStarcraft wrote:On March 18 2014 05:57 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 05:22 fishjie wrote:On March 18 2014 03:48 MichaelDonovan wrote:On March 18 2014 03:15 blarkh wrote:On March 18 2014 01:41 Arthayze wrote:On March 18 2014 00:59 Pirfiktshon wrote:
Honestly I stopped reading after all teh stupid crap started.....
LYGF is and was an awesome team. They might not have been well known but they still had some serious talent in that group.....
1 Thing I'm going to mention as a suggestion instead of all this hatred. I am wondering if Basetrade TV would be willing to host a fundraising tournament of SC2 in the name of Pascal Anton to help him in his time of need for giving so much to the community....... Which community are you talking about ? LYGF has been up for ONE year, with only one interesting recruit, Genius, no results and a shady history of not paying players, which was proven by facts. People get diseases and die, it's sad, but such is life. We as a community have been fucked by stupid brats who thought they could get away with everything and blatantly lied to us, so this is how some of us respond : sorry, but shit happens. I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ? Definitely guilty until proven innocent. That's what you get for not being honest with people. Yes, it must be very hard for you as a community. Probably, you as a community should see a shrink and get group therapy or whatever. Poor you as a community. But I think you as a community shouldn't judge people to be guily until proven innocent. You as a community might just expect there to be assholes and there to be guys that aren't and then just not judge them at all in public forums at all, because let's face it, you as a community have no obligation and hardly any right to judge people, especially if you have so little way of knowing what's true and what isn't. Because if you're just going to make fun of everyone claiming to be fatally ill on the chance that they're lying, statistics say that a couple of times, you're going to be that asshole that made fun of someone dying. Is that worth it for having made that killer joke everybody laughed about? (Except, of course, people who don't think people dying is anything to make fun of, even if it turned out not to be true in this particular case). Yeah I can't believe this dude. "We as a community have been fucked..." Are you serious dude? Get a fucking grip. How has the community been "fucked?" If you feel "fucked" by anything like this then you need to take a step back and think about your life. Because these are not the kinds of things that should "fuck" you. But maybe he's just fifteen or something and has no perspective and thinks he's getting fucked when really nothing's happening. In that case life will have to hit him like a ton of bricks later to set him straight. Edit: "I'll be sorry if bad things happen, but until then ?" Until then you're just going to be a complete dick because if you're sorry later then it's okay? Yeah this is definitely a kid. 15 or 16 probably. I won't say much more then because he's basically a punching bag in that case and it's not really fair for me to rip him to pieces. Get a grip? Lol you're the one raging because people are expressing skepticism. Very few posters, if any, would think its okay to laugh at someone dying of a terminal illness. But that's not what's happening. Shady team with mysterious investor, shady drama brought to light, and now the team is disbanding. If this were a venerable team like liquid or EG people would be lining up to offer their support and condolences. But given this team and its dubious history, of course a lot of people are expressing doubts. What dubious history? This particular team is not shady in any way as far as we know. There hasn't been any reason for believing that they are shady. If there is, link it to me. But basically what I mean by "goodbye TL" is that I'm done trying to be nice to people and mind my manners and be a respectful "community member" around here. I am not a part of this community anymore. But I will post here to call you idiots out on your idiocy when I feel like it. Nothing ragy about this. I'm just done being nice to you morons. How, exactly, does being skeptical make people morons? Being skeptical of the situation doesn't mean judging anyone, assuming anything, or making fun of anyone, it's just the logical stance to have given the situation. If you're talking about the people making a joke of it, well they chose a bad time and place to make a joke but it still doesn't make them morons. Well I was PM'd by a mod telling me not to call people morons anymore, so I won't. The reason I was was saying they are morons is because of the arguments they were using. Like saying "this community has been fucked" by team managers lying and stuff, as if the community is in any way fucked by such a thing, and saying that if it turns out he is actually dying, then they will apologize, as if apologizing makes it alright that they were being a dick in the first place. You know? Like don't be a dick with the intention of apologizing later if it turns out you were wrong.
I would consider players getting scammed as being a detriment to the scene, and in turn the community, wouldn't you? I was just defending the skeptics, because I'm still very skeptical of the whole thing. Will you apologize if he is actually scamming everyone? I don't give a crap either way, I wonder why you do.
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