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On February 25 2014 11:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 08:47 boxerfred wrote:On February 25 2014 06:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:On February 24 2014 23:55 Thorantham wrote:
Seems contrary to the original post:
"The background: After taking a close look at the SC2 activity in 2013, we wanted to build something in 2014 that the SC2 community needed and wanted. We all follow the major tournaments in Europe, the team leagues in Korea, and the overarching WCS, but we realized that outside of Shoutcraft America, the Americas have very little in the way of online or offline competition. So we began asking players if they would be interested in Americas-only competition. Not surprisingly, the response was a resounding, unanimous, YES....
...We really want to work towards creating something that is enjoyable to watch, fun for players, and helps to develop talent within the Americas. ..."
We can already watch American players getting spanked by Korean players many weekends of the year.
Foreigners in the open bracket are just practice targets for Koreans.
Pool play is a show match qualifier for the real bracket.
Freed up my weekend.
Frankly I think MLG has realised that this community doesn't support NA talent enough for it to even remotely viable to execute a live NA only event. I don't blame them, it's a fools errand. The numbers speak for themselves on these events. If you want people to actually watch, you need to bring in the big popular players and right now, those are pretty much Koreans with a smattering of the top foreigners. " I don't blame them, it's a fools errand" It's not about "the scene not supporting NA talent". Nor is it about EU talent or KR talent, or any region-only based talent. Running a "NA talent" tournament is not not viable because everyone hates americans. Running a "NA talent" is not viable because compared to the competition, "AM talent" degenerates to "diamond/masters" (just like EU). You can hype up AM players as much as you want, they're not gonna be code S level anytime soon. That's the scene, that's how it is. You'd let, instead of Seahawks facing Broncos at Superbowl, send Verysmalltown Bulls vs. Evensmallertown Eagles because the tournament is fucking Alabama only (no offense, dear Alabama residents). Oh yeah, and if noone except Alabama guys watch, you'd say "Oh those who do not watch just don't support Alabama scene, they're a bunch of fuck-ups". I might be overexaggerating, but I hope you just get my point! " If you want people to actually watch, you need to bring in the big popular players and right now, those are pretty much Koreans with a smattering of the top foreigners." HELL YEAH! You got the point! If you do know that already, why the fuck do you wonder about the fact that people are pissed that MLG tries to go NA only, when they managed to run great MLGs with international competititon in the past already? Seriously, you basically always brag about those who do not like your decision, or the decision of the guys you support. If things are not going well with the original plan that was or is supported by you, then of course those guys not enjoying what you do just suck. You're running tournaments your way, and you accept the people that are supporting you and your tournaments. But, if I get your post correctly (reading between the lines), everyone who does not share your opinion and dares to disagree publicly, is just stupid (anyone remembering Genna vs. Take?!) How much hybris can a human being show by basically saying "I don't blame them, it's a fool's errand"? It's like "Ah, you know, you guys are all wrong, you're just being stupid, but hey, you're so stupid, I can't even blame you! I know what's right because I'm the Great TotalBiscuit! Worship me, or stay fools forever!" I just can't stand your posts anymore, seriously. I developed an aversion against the shoutcraft series (which actually is a really great(!!) series!) just because of you, yeah right, the guy who's running it. I don't know what's wrong with your mindset, there's even a saying on the internet: "Oh, he pulled a TotalBiscuit". Just think about that once. Edit: looks like grammar and puncuation partially fell victim to emotions while writing. Still think it's easily readable, so I won't correct it right now. Good to know I'm still killing esports after all these years. Would definitely be disappointing not to wake up and read this level of crazy.
Be honest do you not chuckle to yourself reading something like that?
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France15997 Posts
On February 25 2014 10:31 Yes Im Otto wrote:
Just seeing "MLG Anaheim" makes me happy lol......
Not me. GMT -8 
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United States23455 Posts
On February 25 2014 12:01 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 10:31 Yes Im Otto wrote:
Just seeing "MLG Anaheim" makes me happy lol...... Not me. GMT -8
Cry me a river I have to wake up at 4 AM to watch anything in Korea and the start of some Dreamhacks/ASUS ROG's
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Yes MKP better play in this!
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On February 25 2014 11:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 08:47 boxerfred wrote:On February 25 2014 06:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:On February 24 2014 23:55 Thorantham wrote:
Seems contrary to the original post:
"The background: After taking a close look at the SC2 activity in 2013, we wanted to build something in 2014 that the SC2 community needed and wanted. We all follow the major tournaments in Europe, the team leagues in Korea, and the overarching WCS, but we realized that outside of Shoutcraft America, the Americas have very little in the way of online or offline competition. So we began asking players if they would be interested in Americas-only competition. Not surprisingly, the response was a resounding, unanimous, YES....
...We really want to work towards creating something that is enjoyable to watch, fun for players, and helps to develop talent within the Americas. ..."
We can already watch American players getting spanked by Korean players many weekends of the year.
Foreigners in the open bracket are just practice targets for Koreans.
Pool play is a show match qualifier for the real bracket.
Freed up my weekend.
Frankly I think MLG has realised that this community doesn't support NA talent enough for it to even remotely viable to execute a live NA only event. I don't blame them, it's a fools errand. The numbers speak for themselves on these events. If you want people to actually watch, you need to bring in the big popular players and right now, those are pretty much Koreans with a smattering of the top foreigners. " I don't blame them, it's a fools errand" It's not about "the scene not supporting NA talent". Nor is it about EU talent or KR talent, or any region-only based talent. Running a "NA talent" tournament is not not viable because everyone hates americans. Running a "NA talent" is not viable because compared to the competition, "AM talent" degenerates to "diamond/masters" (just like EU). You can hype up AM players as much as you want, they're not gonna be code S level anytime soon. That's the scene, that's how it is. You'd let, instead of Seahawks facing Broncos at Superbowl, send Verysmalltown Bulls vs. Evensmallertown Eagles because the tournament is fucking Alabama only (no offense, dear Alabama residents). Oh yeah, and if noone except Alabama guys watch, you'd say "Oh those who do not watch just don't support Alabama scene, they're a bunch of fuck-ups". I might be overexaggerating, but I hope you just get my point! " If you want people to actually watch, you need to bring in the big popular players and right now, those are pretty much Koreans with a smattering of the top foreigners." HELL YEAH! You got the point! If you do know that already, why the fuck do you wonder about the fact that people are pissed that MLG tries to go NA only, when they managed to run great MLGs with international competititon in the past already? Seriously, you basically always brag about those who do not like your decision, or the decision of the guys you support. If things are not going well with the original plan that was or is supported by you, then of course those guys not enjoying what you do just suck. You're running tournaments your way, and you accept the people that are supporting you and your tournaments. But, if I get your post correctly (reading between the lines), everyone who does not share your opinion and dares to disagree publicly, is just stupid (anyone remembering Genna vs. Take?!) How much hybris can a human being show by basically saying "I don't blame them, it's a fool's errand"? It's like "Ah, you know, you guys are all wrong, you're just being stupid, but hey, you're so stupid, I can't even blame you! I know what's right because I'm the Great TotalBiscuit! Worship me, or stay fools forever!" I just can't stand your posts anymore, seriously. I developed an aversion against the shoutcraft series (which actually is a really great(!!) series!) just because of you, yeah right, the guy who's running it. I don't know what's wrong with your mindset, there's even a saying on the internet: "Oh, he pulled a TotalBiscuit". Just think about that once. Edit: looks like grammar and puncuation partially fell victim to emotions while writing. Still think it's easily readable, so I won't correct it right now. Good to know I'm still killing esports after all these years. Would definitely be disappointing not to wake up and read this level of crazy.
Mhe... Don't attend Mr. Biscuit, that post does not even got an interesting point of view, still very redundant...
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Yay! MLG SC2 is back for us 
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On February 25 2014 09:35 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 08:47 boxerfred wrote:On February 25 2014 06:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:On February 24 2014 23:55 Thorantham wrote:
Seems contrary to the original post:
"The background: After taking a close look at the SC2 activity in 2013, we wanted to build something in 2014 that the SC2 community needed and wanted. We all follow the major tournaments in Europe, the team leagues in Korea, and the overarching WCS, but we realized that outside of Shoutcraft America, the Americas have very little in the way of online or offline competition. So we began asking players if they would be interested in Americas-only competition. Not surprisingly, the response was a resounding, unanimous, YES....
...We really want to work towards creating something that is enjoyable to watch, fun for players, and helps to develop talent within the Americas. ..."
We can already watch American players getting spanked by Korean players many weekends of the year.
Foreigners in the open bracket are just practice targets for Koreans.
Pool play is a show match qualifier for the real bracket.
Freed up my weekend.
Frankly I think MLG has realised that this community doesn't support NA talent enough for it to even remotely viable to execute a live NA only event. I don't blame them, it's a fools errand. The numbers speak for themselves on these events. If you want people to actually watch, you need to bring in the big popular players and right now, those are pretty much Koreans with a smattering of the top foreigners. " I don't blame them, it's a fools errand" It's not about "the scene not supporting NA talent". Nor is it about EU talent or KR talent, or any region-only based talent. Running a "NA talent" tournament is not not viable because everyone hates americans. Running a "NA talent" is not viable because compared to the competition, "AM talent" degenerates to "diamond/masters" (just like EU). You can hype up AM players as much as you want, they're not gonna be code S level anytime soon. That's the scene, that's how it is. You'd let, instead of Seahawks facing Broncos at Superbowl, send Verysmalltown Bulls vs. Evensmallertown Eagles because the tournament is fucking Alabama only (no offense, dear Alabama residents). Oh yeah, and if noone except Alabama guys watch, you'd say "Oh those who do not watch just don't support Alabama scene, they're a bunch of fuck-ups". I might be overexaggerating, but I hope you just get my point! " If you want people to actually watch, you need to bring in the big popular players and right now, those are pretty much Koreans with a smattering of the top foreigners." HELL YEAH! You got the point! If you do know that already, why the fuck do you wonder about the fact that people are pissed that MLG tries to go NA only, when they managed to run great MLGs with international competititon in the past already? Seriously, you basically always brag about those who do not like your decision, or the decision of the guys you support. If things are not going well with the original plan that was or is supported by you, then of course those guys not enjoying what you do just suck. You're running tournaments your way, and you accept the people that are supporting you and your tournaments. But, if I get your post correctly (reading between the lines), everyone who does not share your opinion and dares to disagree publicly, is just stupid (anyone remembering Genna vs. Take?!) How much hybris can a human being show by basically saying "I don't blame them, it's a fool's errand"? It's like "Ah, you know, you guys are all wrong, you're just being stupid, but hey, you're so stupid, I can't even blame you! I know what's right because I'm the Great TotalBiscuit! Worship me, or stay fools forever!" I just can't stand your posts anymore, seriously. I developed an aversion against the shoutcraft series (which actually is a really great(!!) series!) just because of you, yeah right, the guy who's running it. I don't know what's wrong with your mindset, there's even a saying on the internet: "Oh, he pulled a TotalBiscuit". Just think about that once. Edit: looks like grammar and puncuation partially fell victim to emotions while writing. Still think it's easily readable, so I won't correct it right now. This was quite possibly the stupidest thing I've read this morning. I love how you attack tb by backing up his statement.
After re-reading, it really looks like I gave myself a shot to the face. I re-wrote that post like 5 times and it seems like I lost my point during raging. Gotta excuse for being dumb.
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On February 25 2014 06:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2014 23:55 Thorantham wrote:
Seems contrary to the original post:
"The background: After taking a close look at the SC2 activity in 2013, we wanted to build something in 2014 that the SC2 community needed and wanted. We all follow the major tournaments in Europe, the team leagues in Korea, and the overarching WCS, but we realized that outside of Shoutcraft America, the Americas have very little in the way of online or offline competition. So we began asking players if they would be interested in Americas-only competition. Not surprisingly, the response was a resounding, unanimous, YES....
...We really want to work towards creating something that is enjoyable to watch, fun for players, and helps to develop talent within the Americas. ..."
We can already watch American players getting spanked by Korean players many weekends of the year.
Foreigners in the open bracket are just practice targets for Koreans.
Pool play is a show match qualifier for the real bracket.
Freed up my weekend.
Frankly I think MLG has realised that this community doesn't support NA talent enough for it to even remotely viable to execute a live NA only event. I don't blame them, it's a fools errand. The numbers speak for themselves on these events. If you want people to actually watch, you need to bring in the big popular players and right now, those are pretty much Koreans with a smattering of the top foreigners.
What 'numbers' are you referring to? Have there been some detailed TL posts with this type of info on MLG or other events, online or off?
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On February 25 2014 08:37 WolfintheSheep wrote:So, I'm assuming that travel expenses would only be allotted for group pool players? That alone is usually a good "Korean filter" (for lack of a better term). We'll still probably see EG, TL, Axiom and Acer Koreans dominating the Open Bracket, but probably not a major influx of Proleague and GSL players. Show nested quote +On February 24 2014 23:55 Thorantham wrote:
Seems contrary to the original post:
"The background: After taking a close look at the SC2 activity in 2013, we wanted to build something in 2014 that the SC2 community needed and wanted. We all follow the major tournaments in Europe, the team leagues in Korea, and the overarching WCS, but we realized that outside of Shoutcraft America, the Americas have very little in the way of online or offline competition. So we began asking players if they would be interested in Americas-only competition. Not surprisingly, the response was a resounding, unanimous, YES....
...We really want to work towards creating something that is enjoyable to watch, fun for players, and helps to develop talent within the Americas. ..."
We can already watch American players getting spanked by Korean players many weekends of the year.
Foreigners in the open bracket are just practice targets for Koreans.
Pool play is a show match qualifier for the real bracket.
Freed up my weekend.
Vast difference between having Americas only tournaments, and having every tournament be Americas only. Hell, I'm pretty sure they've hosted 3 in the last month and a half alone.
U mean MLG Americas Only tournaments, which ones?
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On February 25 2014 23:24 Thorantham wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 06:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:On February 24 2014 23:55 Thorantham wrote:
Seems contrary to the original post:
"The background: After taking a close look at the SC2 activity in 2013, we wanted to build something in 2014 that the SC2 community needed and wanted. We all follow the major tournaments in Europe, the team leagues in Korea, and the overarching WCS, but we realized that outside of Shoutcraft America, the Americas have very little in the way of online or offline competition. So we began asking players if they would be interested in Americas-only competition. Not surprisingly, the response was a resounding, unanimous, YES....
...We really want to work towards creating something that is enjoyable to watch, fun for players, and helps to develop talent within the Americas. ..."
We can already watch American players getting spanked by Korean players many weekends of the year.
Foreigners in the open bracket are just practice targets for Koreans.
Pool play is a show match qualifier for the real bracket.
Freed up my weekend.
Frankly I think MLG has realised that this community doesn't support NA talent enough for it to even remotely viable to execute a live NA only event. I don't blame them, it's a fools errand. The numbers speak for themselves on these events. If you want people to actually watch, you need to bring in the big popular players and right now, those are pretty much Koreans with a smattering of the top foreigners. What 'numbers' are you referring to? Have there been some detailed TL posts with this type of info on MLG or other events, online or off?
His own Shoutcraft America events.
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