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Terran is going to win this and David Kim is going to say, "Bitch please."
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Ok so whos the terran, whos the zerg and whos the protoss?
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On February 14 2014 14:19 Darkhoarse wrote:
Terran is going to win this and David Kim is going to say, "Bitch please."
No, David Kim is going to win this, and Terran (and Zerg) are going to say "Bitch please".
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So, we vote for whoever is going to represent each race? Gonna vote for oov.
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On February 14 2014 14:36 Seeker wrote:Terran:  NaDaProtoss:  ReachZerg:  JulyZergWelcome to 2004. 10 years ago, these guys were the shit.
Leaving out Mantoss, July and NaDa were pretty good early on in SCII, just not like what I've seen from 2004 vods. Twas before my time :,(.
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On February 14 2014 14:42 AlgeriaT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 14:19 Darkhoarse wrote:
Terran is going to win this and David Kim is going to say, "Bitch please." No, David Kim is going to win this, and Terran (and Zerg) are going to say "Bitch please".
Why did you have to kill the fun and make it actual balance whine 
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the way TY and Flash have been killing proleague, it might well be a Terran win...
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On February 14 2014 14:51 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 14:42 AlgeriaT wrote:On February 14 2014 14:19 Darkhoarse wrote:
Terran is going to win this and David Kim is going to say, "Bitch please." No, David Kim is going to win this, and Terran (and Zerg) are going to say "Bitch please". Why did you have to kill the fun and make it actual balance whine
Oh come on, it was still written in a lighthearted manner, now it's you killing the fun 
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That is a pretty sick banner! Looking forward to this 
Sad Rain couldn't play for Protoss
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They might have to allocate a third day to PvZs.
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On February 14 2014 15:36 BlueLanterna wrote:
They might have to allocate a third day to PvZs.
And to TvZ mech as well 
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Who is representing the race? We have answer already?
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On February 14 2014 14:51 [Erasmus] wrote:
the way TY and Flash have been killing proleague, it might well be a Terran win...
Don't forget Maru, he's been pretty awesome as well!
If I recall correctly, during one stream, they were showing the players with the best records so far, and it was TY, Maru and then Flash.
Very few terrans in PvProleague at the moment, but the ones that are there are kicking ass!
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On February 14 2014 20:31 WiggyB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 14:51 [Erasmus] wrote:
the way TY and Flash have been killing proleague, it might well be a Terran win... Don't forget Maru, he's been pretty awesome as well! If I recall correctly, during one stream, they were showing the players with the best records so far, and it was TY, Maru and then Flash. Very few terrans in PvProleague at the moment, but the ones that are there are kicking ass!
Liquipedia PL page has all the stats
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HFGacqQ.jpg)
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On February 14 2014 14:51 [Erasmus] wrote:
the way TY and Flash have been killing proleague, it might well be a Terran win...
I guess it depends on the format. If it's like bo5 proleague format between the races then flash and ty could carry T to victory. Really looking forward to the TvZ match as we haven't seen much of that matchup lately (outside of goody style mech, really hope flash shows us the beautiful version of mech).
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Maru is the terran for sure even though i wanted flash for it T_T
Parting is for protoss. I think he is the strongest toss currently.
Zergs gotta be Soulkey i mean he is probably the most popular zerg that is not Life or Jaedong.
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And please i want to see . Tvp mech and tvz bio !
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Creator o.O
Imo Classic is wayyy better.
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On February 14 2014 22:24 Fuell wrote:
Creator o.O
Imo Classic is wayyy better.
You're surprised that Creator is there even though Prime has a huge fan base in Korea... You see the big "never give up Prime" sign every time they play... :o
I'm more surprised that Mvp isn't to be honest. lol
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I actually love this idea that they came up with... it will really show where the state of the game is if the crowd picks right
Definitely going to be a big tune in for everyone!
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On February 14 2014 22:27 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 22:24 Fuell wrote:
Creator o.O
Imo Classic is wayyy better. You're surprised that Creator is there even though Prime has a huge fan base in Korea... You see the big never give up Prime sign every time they play... :o I'm more surprised that Mvp isn't to be honest. lol
I don't think any brain can properly read that sentence. KT Terrans representing pretty big here.
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On February 14 2014 22:37 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 22:27 Elite_ wrote:On February 14 2014 22:24 Fuell wrote:
Creator o.O
Imo Classic is wayyy better. You're surprised that Creator is there even though Prime has a huge fan base in Korea... You see the big never give up Prime sign every time they play... :o I'm more surprised that Mvp isn't to be honest. lol I don't think any brain can properly read that sentence.
Are you happy now?
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United States97276 Posts
it's too bad Classic didn't get in but Creator has really started playing well lately still getting 4 wins last round which put him fairly high up and winning the JoyGear Cup. I don't think the pick is bad or anything. It should be fun
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I think they're expecting Swarm Host in PvZ's, since that's all that's on the schedule on day 2.
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My, my, what a surprise :D
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On February 14 2014 22:45 ejozl wrote:
I think they're expecting Swarm Host in PvZ's, since that's all that's on the schedule on day 2.
They even swapped it I think.
I could swear the first time they showed it on stream PvT was the one on the second day
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On February 14 2014 22:40 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 22:37 BisuDagger wrote:On February 14 2014 22:27 Elite_ wrote:On February 14 2014 22:24 Fuell wrote:
Creator o.O
Imo Classic is wayyy better. You're surprised that Creator is there even though Prime has a huge fan base in Korea... You see the big never give up Prime sign every time they play... :o I'm more surprised that Mvp isn't to be honest. lol I don't think any brain can properly read that sentence. Are you happy now?
Lmao! I didn't read it that way at all. It's friday and I'm in a cubicle. Thank you <3!
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Proleague is saving SC2 and Esport!!! :D
This event is awesome with all the balance discussions we are having lately!!!
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Haha, team Terran is gonna crush all others, no contest!
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They should Play the matches as they are now then a week from now those People play with the Balance changes that are prospected
Edit: I'm surprised they never did it like that...... Honestly even in the simpliest science experiments you want to have a control so that you know how the variables effect your outcome... if you throw in variables with variables you don't know what caused what and why....
PL should be blizzards control and they should always do this with balance tests.. though this has nothing to do with it and it will be freaking awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I figure Classic/Rain couldnt get back from Cologne to play this on Monday so they arent on the team
Still the lineup looks scary. Sad that they nominated Creator instead of Kal, the dude woulda won the poll easily
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On February 14 2014 22:45 ejozl wrote:
I think they're expecting Swarm Host in PvZ's, since that's all that's on the schedule on day 2. Or they expect TvZ from day 1 to last over night.
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On February 14 2014 21:07 padiseal2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 20:31 WiggyB wrote:On February 14 2014 14:51 [Erasmus] wrote:
the way TY and Flash have been killing proleague, it might well be a Terran win... Don't forget Maru, he's been pretty awesome as well! If I recall correctly, during one stream, they were showing the players with the best records so far, and it was TY, Maru and then Flash. Very few terrans in PvProleague at the moment, but the ones that are there are kicking ass! Liquipedia PL page has all the stats
TY, please chill the fuck out or else they'll think we're OP again (and this time they'll be horribly wrong unless they're talking about mech/sky Terran).
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The best Terrans aren't available to Kespa for this tournament.
Polt/Jajji/Taeja/Bomber/Mvp/Alive. Literally every top 16 Terran from the 2013 Global finals except Maru has gone abroad.
# foreign $$$
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On February 17 2014 01:00 Salient wrote:The best Terrans aren't available to Kespa for this tournament. Polt/Jajji/Taeja/Bomber/Mvp/Alive. Literally every top 16 Terran from the 2013 Global finals except Maru has gone abroad. # foreign $$$
TY and Maru certainly are amongst the very very best, Taeja could probably contest, Jjakji, Bober and Polt are not far off the tiptop. Alive and MVP, probably not so much.
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On February 17 2014 01:35 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 01:00 Salient wrote:The best Terrans aren't available to Kespa for this tournament. Polt/Jajji/Taeja/Bomber/Mvp/Alive. Literally every top 16 Terran from the 2013 Global finals except Maru has gone abroad. # foreign $$$ TY and Maru certainly are amongst the very very best, Taeja could probably contest, Jjakji, Bober and Polt are not far off the tiptop. Alive and MVP, probably not so much.
Depends if it is PL TY or GSL TY.
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Creat new or edit proleague page plz
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On February 17 2014 01:37 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 01:35 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 17 2014 01:00 Salient wrote:The best Terrans aren't available to Kespa for this tournament. Polt/Jajji/Taeja/Bomber/Mvp/Alive. Literally every top 16 Terran from the 2013 Global finals except Maru has gone abroad. # foreign $$$ TY and Maru certainly are amongst the very very best, Taeja could probably contest, Jjakji, Bober and Polt are not far off the tiptop. Alive and MVP, probably not so much. Depends if it is PL TY or GSL TY.
GSL TY got to the finals of his bracket but died 0-4 to "Yonghwa"
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Does it have to be from Proleague? Can we choose foreigners?
Scarlett Jaedong
HerO MC
Taeja MKP
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On February 17 2014 05:25 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 01:37 vthree wrote:On February 17 2014 01:35 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 17 2014 01:00 Salient wrote:The best Terrans aren't available to Kespa for this tournament. Polt/Jajji/Taeja/Bomber/Mvp/Alive. Literally every top 16 Terran from the 2013 Global finals except Maru has gone abroad. # foreign $$$ TY and Maru certainly are amongst the very very best, Taeja could probably contest, Jjakji, Bober and Polt are not far off the tiptop. Alive and MVP, probably not so much. Depends if it is PL TY or GSL TY. GSL TY got to the finals of his bracket but died 0-4 to "Yonghwa"
That's because GSTL Yonghwa showed up that day.
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On February 17 2014 05:25 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 01:37 vthree wrote:On February 17 2014 01:35 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 17 2014 01:00 Salient wrote:The best Terrans aren't available to Kespa for this tournament. Polt/Jajji/Taeja/Bomber/Mvp/Alive. Literally every top 16 Terran from the 2013 Global finals except Maru has gone abroad. # foreign $$$ TY and Maru certainly are amongst the very very best, Taeja could probably contest, Jjakji, Bober and Polt are not far off the tiptop. Alive and MVP, probably not so much. Depends if it is PL TY or GSL TY. GSL TY got to the finals of his bracket but died 0-4 to "Yonghwa"
Oh you're funny.
Maru/SK/PartinG. My body is ready.
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On February 17 2014 01:35 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 01:00 Salient wrote:The best Terrans aren't available to Kespa for this tournament. Polt/Jajji/Taeja/Bomber/Mvp/Alive. Literally every top 16 Terran from the 2013 Global finals except Maru has gone abroad. # foreign $$$ TY and Maru certainly are amongst the very very best, Taeja could probably contest, Jjakji, Bober and Polt are not far off the tiptop. Alive and MVP, probably not so much.
Speaking of which, what was up with TaeJa's performance at ASUS ROG Winter btw?
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On February 17 2014 01:37 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 01:35 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 17 2014 01:00 Salient wrote:The best Terrans aren't available to Kespa for this tournament. Polt/Jajji/Taeja/Bomber/Mvp/Alive. Literally every top 16 Terran from the 2013 Global finals except Maru has gone abroad. # foreign $$$ TY and Maru certainly are amongst the very very best, Taeja could probably contest, Jjakji, Bober and Polt are not far off the tiptop. Alive and MVP, probably not so much. Depends if it is PL TY or GSL TY.
Yeah, the "top 5 Terran" hype for TY is way overstated. He's done very well in one round of one team league and suddenly he owns the world?
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Bisu ofc! )
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Is it possible for Flash to represent Terran ?
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On February 17 2014 08:59 Xarles wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 01:35 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 17 2014 01:00 Salient wrote:The best Terrans aren't available to Kespa for this tournament. Polt/Jajji/Taeja/Bomber/Mvp/Alive. Literally every top 16 Terran from the 2013 Global finals except Maru has gone abroad. # foreign $$$ TY and Maru certainly are amongst the very very best, Taeja could probably contest, Jjakji, Bober and Polt are not far off the tiptop. Alive and MVP, probably not so much. Speaking of which, what was up with TaeJa's performance at ASUS ROG Winter btw?
Either wrist injury or he didn't give a fuck. That atrocious series against Dear. Two amazing players playing like absolutely crap TT
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On February 17 2014 13:54 XiaoJoyce- wrote:Is it possible for Flash to represent Terran ?
He is one of the top 3 players in PL this season and had the most wins in PL last season. Of course he can.
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I want to see Mvp
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On February 17 2014 11:29 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 01:37 vthree wrote:On February 17 2014 01:35 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 17 2014 01:00 Salient wrote:The best Terrans aren't available to Kespa for this tournament. Polt/Jajji/Taeja/Bomber/Mvp/Alive. Literally every top 16 Terran from the 2013 Global finals except Maru has gone abroad. # foreign $$$ TY and Maru certainly are amongst the very very best, Taeja could probably contest, Jjakji, Bober and Polt are not far off the tiptop. Alive and MVP, probably not so much. Depends if it is PL TY or GSL TY. Yeah, the "top 5 Terran" hype for TY is way overstated. He's done very well in one round of one team league and suddenly he owns the world?
TY holds no title at all. Not even UWC. And he's only playing good BO1 so far. He's far from proving himself tip top.
Even with his skill, i doubt he has the stamina and the nerve for large individual league, like polt at this IEM.
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On February 17 2014 11:29 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 01:37 vthree wrote:On February 17 2014 01:35 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 17 2014 01:00 Salient wrote:The best Terrans aren't available to Kespa for this tournament. Polt/Jajji/Taeja/Bomber/Mvp/Alive. Literally every top 16 Terran from the 2013 Global finals except Maru has gone abroad. # foreign $$$ TY and Maru certainly are amongst the very very best, Taeja could probably contest, Jjakji, Bober and Polt are not far off the tiptop. Alive and MVP, probably not so much. Depends if it is PL TY or GSL TY. Yeah, the "top 5 Terran" hype for TY is way overstated. He's done very well in one round of one team league and suddenly he owns the world?
He's done very well in way more than one round of PL, lol
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On February 17 2014 14:53 Pangpootata wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 13:54 XiaoJoyce- wrote:Is it possible for Flash to represent Terran ? He is one of the top 3 players in PL this season and had the most wins in PL last season. Of course he can.
1000 post XD
Took me 5-6 years to reach 2000 post . . .
I love the fun concept, race strongest battle.
If Flash is represent Terran, than it is dream come true XD.
I love it more if it is 2v2.
I missed 2v2 . . . it come out for 1 week, and then it dissappear. . . . . . .
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On February 14 2014 14:49 docvoc wrote:Leaving out Mantoss, July and NaDa were pretty good early on in SCII, just not like what I've seen from 2004 vods. Twas before my time :,(.
Lol, they were beasts in the 2004!
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On February 17 2014 15:54 Baroninthetree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 11:29 Yakikorosu wrote:On February 17 2014 01:37 vthree wrote:On February 17 2014 01:35 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 17 2014 01:00 Salient wrote:The best Terrans aren't available to Kespa for this tournament. Polt/Jajji/Taeja/Bomber/Mvp/Alive. Literally every top 16 Terran from the 2013 Global finals except Maru has gone abroad. # foreign $$$ TY and Maru certainly are amongst the very very best, Taeja could probably contest, Jjakji, Bober and Polt are not far off the tiptop. Alive and MVP, probably not so much. Depends if it is PL TY or GSL TY. Yeah, the "top 5 Terran" hype for TY is way overstated. He's done very well in one round of one team league and suddenly he owns the world? TY holds no title at all. Not even UWC. And he's only playing good BO1 so far. He's far from proving himself tip top. Even with his skill, i doubt he has the stamina and the nerve for large individual league, like polt at this IEM.
he was one of the first kespas to hold UWC
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Day 2 is going to get 0 viewers. Day 1 should be sick though :D
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France9034 Posts
This should be cool!
Though I don't understand why the third Z is Solar (I'd have seen Jaedong, but dunno...)
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On February 17 2014 17:44 Ragnarork wrote:
This should be cool!
Though I don't understand why the third Z is Solar (I'd have seen Jaedong, but dunno...)
Only players that played in the Proleague are in for this race war.
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On February 14 2014 14:19 Darkhorse wrote:
Terran is going to win this and David Kim is going to say, "Bitch please."
Only Bosstoss says stuff like that :D
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On February 17 2014 17:46 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 17:44 Ragnarork wrote:
This should be cool!
Though I don't understand why the third Z is Solar (I'd have seen Jaedong, but dunno...) Only players that played in the Proleague are in for this race war.
NO! NO! NO! Jaedong should be everywhere. The finals of everything ever should be Jaedong v Jaedong and what the heck the semifinals too! I wish Jaedong was my brother and my sister! I freaking love Jaedong! *GASP* *WHEEZE* Jaedong is life.
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Stork(P) HoeJJa(Z) MKP(T) will be the korean broadcast commentators by the way
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MKP confirmed back in Proleague?
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On February 17 2014 18:36 Frex wrote:MKP confirmed back in Proleague?
of course
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CreatorPrime, hahaha you have to be fucking kidding me. :D
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Poland3751 Posts
So the only team not participating is IM and MVP? Hm.
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On February 17 2014 18:50 Ramiz1989 wrote:
CreatorPrime, hahaha you have to be fucking kidding me. :D
only herO had more wins than him in regular season, and rain/classic are in germany - no good alternative really, he is pretty clearly your #3 choice
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On February 14 2014 14:49 docvoc wrote:Leaving out Mantoss, July and NaDa were pretty good early on in SCII, just not like what I've seen from 2004 vods. Twas before my time :,(.
2004 ? wasnt reach long time befor ? 2004 sounds more like nal_ra
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Maru is just not on the same level as SK.
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he just matches up poorly against soulkey, he has a great record against everyone else who is at the top
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Who won who just started the stream?
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Wait I payed 20$ IIRC for vods, do I also need to pay 5$ a month for HQ?
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CreatorPrime? No offense but Zest is way better.
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On February 17 2014 20:05 TaShadan wrote:
CreatorPrime? No offense but Zest is way better.
creator had twice the wins of zest in regular season
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On February 17 2014 18:50 Ramiz1989 wrote:
CreatorPrime, hahaha you have to be fucking kidding me. :D
1) more wins then Rain, HerO, Stats, Zest, Squirtle
2) last 4 matches in Proleague - 3-1
3) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/JoyGear_Cup
HAHA
On February 17 2014 17:44 Ragnarork wrote:
This should be cool!
Though I don't understand why the third Z is Solar (I'd have seen Jaedong, but dunno...)
Here I won't even say anything...
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On February 17 2014 11:29 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 01:37 vthree wrote:On February 17 2014 01:35 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 17 2014 01:00 Salient wrote:The best Terrans aren't available to Kespa for this tournament. Polt/Jajji/Taeja/Bomber/Mvp/Alive. Literally every top 16 Terran from the 2013 Global finals except Maru has gone abroad. # foreign $$$ TY and Maru certainly are amongst the very very best, Taeja could probably contest, Jjakji, Bober and Polt are not far off the tiptop. Alive and MVP, probably not so much. Depends if it is PL TY or GSL TY. Yeah, the "top 5 Terran" hype for TY is way overstated. He's done very well in one round of one team league and suddenly he owns the world?
After the switch  TY was the best KeSPA terran if you did not know it he was seeded into Code S then he qualified to Code S by himself then in HotS he was slumping and now he is rising once again.
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It's over. Terran lost all their matchups.
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On February 17 2014 22:10 TerranTechie wrote:
It's over. Terran lost all their matchups.
in the current state of game i dont think anyone expected otherwise
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On February 17 2014 20:10 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 20:05 TaShadan wrote:
CreatorPrime? No offense but Zest is way better. creator had twice the wins of zest in regular season
My bad, didnt know that. Still think Zest is currently better than Creator. It doesnt matter anyway terran got crushed :D
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On February 17 2014 17:37 Pandemona wrote:
Day 2 is going to get 0 viewers. Day 1 should be sick though :D
I guess it's going to depend what percentage of the viewership are ignorant enough to think PvZ is solved.
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Soulkey in the lineup so ZvP has it's own day
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On February 17 2014 23:26 Kylo55 wrote:Soulkey in the lineup so ZvP has it's own day
do you forget RORO?
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
Even in showmatches there is place for malicious hate? Lol.
T 3-1 P
T 2-3 Z.
Z 3-1 P.
Calling it now.
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On February 17 2014 23:29 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Even in showmatches there is place for malicious hate? Lol.
T 3-1 P
T 2-3 Z.
Z 3-1 P.
Calling it now.
lol day 1 is already over.
T 1-3 P
T 1-3 Z
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iInteresting to see solar and byul :O however, Solar <3 next big Zerg
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Am I the only one who thinks there are lots of protoss players better than creator?
+ Show Spoiler +I'd say the same about Flash but honestly there aren't many good kespa terrans to replace him
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On February 17 2014 23:41 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 23:29 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Even in showmatches there is place for malicious hate? Lol.
T 3-1 P
T 2-3 Z.
Z 3-1 P.
Calling it now. lol day 1 is already over. T 1-3 P T 1-3 Z
What a sad day.
I was sure that it's tomorrow.
But thanks for spoiling, yep. Time to watch.
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Why Creator? :o
Other than that - looking forward to TvZ!
Edit: Times in OP would have been nice. ._.
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On February 18 2014 01:26 Caladan wrote:
Why Creator? :o
Other than that - looking forward to TvZ!
Edit: Times in OP would have been nice. ._.
yesterday OP didnt even have the players...
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On February 17 2014 20:54 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 11:29 Yakikorosu wrote:On February 17 2014 01:37 vthree wrote:On February 17 2014 01:35 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 17 2014 01:00 Salient wrote:The best Terrans aren't available to Kespa for this tournament. Polt/Jajji/Taeja/Bomber/Mvp/Alive. Literally every top 16 Terran from the 2013 Global finals except Maru has gone abroad. # foreign $$$ TY and Maru certainly are amongst the very very best, Taeja could probably contest, Jjakji, Bober and Polt are not far off the tiptop. Alive and MVP, probably not so much. Depends if it is PL TY or GSL TY. Yeah, the "top 5 Terran" hype for TY is way overstated. He's done very well in one round of one team league and suddenly he owns the world? After the switch TY was the best KeSPA terran if you did not know it he was seeded into Code S then he qualified to Code S by himself then in HotS he was slumping and now he is rising once again.
I'm not saying TY is bad, I just think that he's being overhyped due to his (admittedly great) 7-0 streak in PL this season. I watched TY's prior games in Code S, Code A, etc, including in WoL and he looked solid but never like a "top 5 Terran" and no one was hyping him as such prior to this PL season. His record in the last PL was a not very impressive 26-26. Then he got 0-4ed by YongHwa (a notorious underperformer in individual leagues) in the Code A qualifiers.
If you look at his stats on Aligulac in HotS (offline matches against Koreans) he has a great win rate in TvZ (though not with many games played) and his TvT and TvP records are only slightly above 50%. By Aligulac's ranking of top Terrans, he's #14, behind (among others) SuperNova, Bbyong and the Danish player Bunny. I think #14 is about right for him, he's certainly top 20 Terrans but probably not top 10 to me, and definitely nowhere close to top 5.
I'm not a TY hater or anything, and if he proves me wrong and starts killing everyone, more power to him. But his level of play against RorO and CJ_herO in Race Wars are more of what I'm used to seeing from him: solid and strong but nothing spectacular.
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On February 18 2014 05:09 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 20:54 DiMano wrote:On February 17 2014 11:29 Yakikorosu wrote:On February 17 2014 01:37 vthree wrote:On February 17 2014 01:35 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 17 2014 01:00 Salient wrote:The best Terrans aren't available to Kespa for this tournament. Polt/Jajji/Taeja/Bomber/Mvp/Alive. Literally every top 16 Terran from the 2013 Global finals except Maru has gone abroad. # foreign $$$ TY and Maru certainly are amongst the very very best, Taeja could probably contest, Jjakji, Bober and Polt are not far off the tiptop. Alive and MVP, probably not so much. Depends if it is PL TY or GSL TY. Yeah, the "top 5 Terran" hype for TY is way overstated. He's done very well in one round of one team league and suddenly he owns the world? After the switch TY was the best KeSPA terran if you did not know it he was seeded into Code S then he qualified to Code S by himself then in HotS he was slumping and now he is rising once again. I'm not saying TY is bad, I just think that he's being overhyped due to his (admittedly great) 7-0 streak in PL this season. I watched TY's prior games in Code S, Code A, etc, including in WoL and he looked solid but never like a "top 5 Terran" and no one was hyping him as such prior to this PL season. His record in the last PL was a not very impressive 26-26. Then he got 0-4ed by YongHwa (a notorious underperformer in individual leagues) in the Code A qualifiers. If you look at his stats on Aligulac in HotS (offline matches against Koreans) he has a great win rate in TvZ (though not with many games played) and his TvT and TvP records are only slightly above 50%. By Aligulac's ranking of top Terrans, he's #14, behind (among others) SuperNova, Bbyong and the Danish player Bunny. I think #14 is about right for him, he's certainly top 20 Terrans but probably not top 10 to me, and definitely nowhere close to top 5. I'm not a TY hater or anything, and if he proves me wrong and starts killing everyone, more power to him. But his level of play against RorO and CJ_herO in Race Wars are more of what I'm used to seeing from him: solid and strong but nothing spectacular.
When there is a lack of good players of any race people start rooting for every player who shows some kind of hope, in 2011 people were calling  Alicia as the protoss hope but he was not good enough to face best terrans back then coz the number of good terrans was much higher just like now the number of good just higher then the number of good which leads to dominance.
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On February 18 2014 05:17 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 05:09 Yakikorosu wrote:On February 17 2014 20:54 DiMano wrote:On February 17 2014 11:29 Yakikorosu wrote:On February 17 2014 01:37 vthree wrote:On February 17 2014 01:35 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 17 2014 01:00 Salient wrote:The best Terrans aren't available to Kespa for this tournament. Polt/Jajji/Taeja/Bomber/Mvp/Alive. Literally every top 16 Terran from the 2013 Global finals except Maru has gone abroad. # foreign $$$ TY and Maru certainly are amongst the very very best, Taeja could probably contest, Jjakji, Bober and Polt are not far off the tiptop. Alive and MVP, probably not so much. Depends if it is PL TY or GSL TY. Yeah, the "top 5 Terran" hype for TY is way overstated. He's done very well in one round of one team league and suddenly he owns the world? After the switch TY was the best KeSPA terran if you did not know it he was seeded into Code S then he qualified to Code S by himself then in HotS he was slumping and now he is rising once again. I'm not saying TY is bad, I just think that he's being overhyped due to his (admittedly great) 7-0 streak in PL this season. I watched TY's prior games in Code S, Code A, etc, including in WoL and he looked solid but never like a "top 5 Terran" and no one was hyping him as such prior to this PL season. His record in the last PL was a not very impressive 26-26. Then he got 0-4ed by YongHwa (a notorious underperformer in individual leagues) in the Code A qualifiers. If you look at his stats on Aligulac in HotS (offline matches against Koreans) he has a great win rate in TvZ (though not with many games played) and his TvT and TvP records are only slightly above 50%. By Aligulac's ranking of top Terrans, he's #14, behind (among others) SuperNova, Bbyong and the Danish player Bunny. I think #14 is about right for him, he's certainly top 20 Terrans but probably not top 10 to me, and definitely nowhere close to top 5. I'm not a TY hater or anything, and if he proves me wrong and starts killing everyone, more power to him. But his level of play against RorO and CJ_herO in Race Wars are more of what I'm used to seeing from him: solid and strong but nothing spectacular. When there is a lack of good players of any race people start rooting for every player who shows some kind of hope, in 2011 people were calling Alicia as the protoss hope but he was not good enough to face best terrans back then coz the number of good terrans was much higher just like now the number of good just higher then the number of good which leads to dominance.
This is very true. 2011 had a lot of false "race hopes": I remember Artosis anointed SlayerS_Min the next Zerg bonjwa based on a single GSTL game, and then when Protoss were getting destroyed towards the end of 2011 (I remember a Code S RO16 with only 1 Protoss) Sage was supposed to be the savior...
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On February 18 2014 01:02 DavoS wrote:Am I the only one who thinks there are lots of protoss players better than creator? + Show Spoiler +I'd say the same about Flash but honestly there aren't many good kespa terrans to replace him
On February 18 2014 01:26 Caladan wrote:
Why Creator? :o
Other than that - looking forward to TvZ!
Edit: Times in OP would have been nice. ._.
HerO, Rain and Classic are in Germany.
Creator got 4 kills during regular season, the only protoss who got more was herO.
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On February 18 2014 05:25 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 01:02 DavoS wrote:Am I the only one who thinks there are lots of protoss players better than creator? + Show Spoiler +I'd say the same about Flash but honestly there aren't many good kespa terrans to replace him Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 01:26 Caladan wrote:
Why Creator? :o
Other than that - looking forward to TvZ!
Edit: Times in OP would have been nice. ._. HerO, Rain and Classic are in Germany. Creator got 4 kills during regular season, the only protoss who got more was herO.
It is funny how people do not wonder why they have invited Soulkey who had worse stats then: RorO, ByuL, Shine, Rogue, Solar 
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What is up with ProLeague VoDs? Did their subs reset or something? Because I could've sworn I had subbed already...
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Will this be on youtube sometime soon? I realllyyyy want to see this.
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Oh my god thank you sooo much opterown. <3
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Whoever made the original post needs to learn that 06:30 means 6:30 AM. The matches start 12 hours later, at 18:30 KST. Thought I missed the second day matches entirely.
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they're on the calendar, which should be the most reliable source of info anyway
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P>Z>T? color me surprised...
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On February 18 2014 19:40 Greenei wrote:
P>Z>T? color me surprised...
Flash, Maru and TY are just not good enough
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All the race war is 1 sided . . . .
P>Z 3:0
P>T 3:1
Z>T 3:1
Ended @ 4th game . . . Not even a 2 win . . .
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Well these are surprising results!
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Well these are surprising results!
#Sarcasm I think we knew how it was going to end hahaha atleast the whole thing played out like I thought it was going to LOL
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