On November 19 2013 01:13 Naerdy wrote: Having qualified for WCG. Which tournament will Innovation play at because the schedule of DH: Winter and WCG are nearly the same?
He will play in DH Winter so SOulKey got his WCG group
On November 19 2013 01:13 Naerdy wrote: Having qualified for WCG. Which tournament will Innovation play at because the schedule of DH: Winter and WCG are nearly the same?
So I'm curious, how come this Dreamhack different from the ones a few months back where there were like upwards of almost 60+ players? Are each Dreamhacks different from another, or did they recently reduce the number of invites and people who qualified to participate in this and upcoming Dreamhacks?
Also Group C, wow Terran galore. gl Innovation with the TvTs
On November 19 2013 01:09 Ketch wrote: Haha that CONSOLIDATION final (instead of consolation :D) and poor Sjow Edit; hmm can you actually call it a consolidation final?
I am not a native speaker, but it seems correct to me. A "consolation final" is the match for 3rd or 4th position, whereas here the contestants in the "consolidation final" still have a chance to win the thing.
On November 19 2013 01:16 sacrilegious wrote: So I'm curious, how come this Dreamhack different from the ones a few months back where there were like upwards of almost 60+ players? Are each Dreamhacks different from another, or did they recently reduce the number of invites and people who qualified to participate in this and upcoming Dreamhacks?
Also Group C, wow Terran galore. gl Innovation with the TvTs
This is Dreamhack Winter.
Did WCS Global finals(Blizzcon) have all premium league players that there is?
No, there is no invites in this tournament. All players quolified though other DH events except Welmu, Patience, Polt and ForGG came from open online qualifiers. (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_DreamHack_Open/Winter/Online_Qualifiers)
On November 19 2013 01:06 JustPassingBy wrote: Who the hell is this Patience guy? How comes I have never heard of him and he still managed to qualify for DH? D:
On November 19 2013 01:09 Ketch wrote: Haha that CONSOLIDATION final (instead of consolation :D) and poor Sjow Edit; hmm can you actually call it a consolidation final?
no
but you can pretend it means they're "consolidating" all the losers into one
Feel bad for HerO He's never fared well against Leenock, and Jaedong has shown that JvP is a thing of the past. Top that with the fact Welmu is extremely strong in pvp and HerO's glaring weakness in the matchup and I can see him starting in the Loser's bracket
On November 19 2013 01:09 Ketch wrote: Haha that CONSOLIDATION final (instead of consolation :D) and poor Sjow Edit; hmm can you actually call it a consolidation final?
no
but you can pretend it means they're "consolidating" all the losers into one
Actually, it makes more sense that Consolation. Consolation seems more like it should be a 3rd/4th place match with no chance of winning the tournament.
On November 19 2013 01:42 jackslater wrote: Why so few players?
only the top 4 players from each dreamhack this year got an invite to this tournament. plus the ones who advance from the online qualfier.
you can read it in the OP: *Qualified through the online qualifiers. All other players are seeded from their performances in earlier Dreamhack Open tournaments.
On November 19 2013 01:38 PhoenixVoid wrote: All groups are nice and balanced, but poor SjoW.
Thinking Patience, JYP, SjoW and Welmu will be eliminated in the group stages first.
I agree except for Patience who I think will get a better place than TLO or LucifroN.
Just realized that the group B is fucking stacked as well.
Korean factor aside, I've seen a couple of Korean Protosses do well in online qualifiers (e.g. Sora and MyungSiK) who haven't really proven themselves in a foreign tournament. Patience definitely isn't a guaranteed last place finisher, but I'm more convinced in the capability of TLO or LucifroN.
On November 19 2013 01:38 PhoenixVoid wrote: All groups are nice and balanced, but poor SjoW.
Thinking Patience, JYP, SjoW and Welmu will be eliminated in the group stages first.
I agree except for Patience who I think will get a better place than TLO or LucifroN.
Just realized that the group B is fucking stacked as well.
Welmu will be at least third in his group... wtf are you talking about? The best foreign protoss welmu!
Only Jaedong is sure to win over Welmu. Leenock vs Welmu 60/40, Goswer...lol?, And HerO..hey it's welmu and pvp.. Im pretty sure Welmu wins HerO. Even in Online quals welmu won Oz and herO
On November 19 2013 01:38 PhoenixVoid wrote: All groups are nice and balanced, but poor SjoW.
Thinking Patience, JYP, SjoW and Welmu will be eliminated in the group stages first.
I agree except for Patience who I think will get a better place than TLO or LucifroN.
Just realized that the group B is fucking stacked as well.
Korean factor aside, I've seen a couple of Korean Protosses do well in online qualifiers (e.g. Sora and MyungSiK) who haven't really proven themselves in a foreign tournament. Patience definitely isn't a guaranteed last place finisher, but I'm more convinced in the capability of TLO or LucifroN.
Oh of course but other than that, TLO's performance at HSC wasn't that great (though he's kinda inconsistent like pretty much all the foreigners so he can play very well at DH). I hope LucifroN will do well anyway !
Double Elimination... so much more fun to watch, esp. for a kinda grand-final :>...good lineup btw..but how got Goswser seeded? (No offense, looks like I missed a top DH-finish?)
On November 19 2013 02:15 ArcadeR wrote: Double Elimination... so much more fun to watch, esp. for a kinda grand-final :>...good lineup btw..but how got Goswser seeded? (No offense, looks like I missed a top DH-finish?)
How is group C even possible? Aren't Taeja/Innovation/sOs tier A players and eg. group A contains zero players of that level. edit: nvm I guess they seed by previous dreamhack results or something, lol.
On November 19 2013 02:25 mechengineer123 wrote: How is group C even possible? Aren't Taeja/Innovation/sOs tier A players and eg. group A contains zero players of that level. edit: nvm I guess they seed by previous dreamhack results or something, lol.
I guess they seeded like this : Tier 1 : DH Winners Tier 2 : DH runner-ups Tier 3-4 : DH RO4 Tier 5 : Qualified online
On November 19 2013 02:08 Zealously wrote: Life'll own that shit all day every day, no contest
I'm ready for a Life vs Jaedong final and then we can fight to death in the LR thread.
You're welcome to n.Die in advance because I'm not going to be in any LR threads for that weekend. You really think I'd miss an oppurtunity to watch Life live in fucking Sweden? No way, no how
On November 19 2013 02:25 mechengineer123 wrote: How is group C even possible? Aren't Taeja/Innovation/sOs tier A players and eg. group A contains zero players of that level. edit: nvm I guess they seed by previous dreamhack results or something, lol.
I guess they seeded like this : Tier 1 : DH Winners Tier 2 : DH runner-ups Tier 3-4 : DH RO4 Tier 5 : Qualified online
I guess you're right: HyuN / TaeJa : top1. Naniwa / Inno : top2. Lucifron+TLO / SjoW+sOs : top4 (or seeded in case there was already qualified player in top4). Patience / ForGG : qualified.
On November 19 2013 02:35 Dalnore wrote: It would be sick if two players meet each other three times in this tournament (in the group stage, in the winners bracket and in the losers bracket).
Group C will be the ultimate test of Innovation's TvT... I have a feeling he will drop out early yet again... Poor Inno can't catch a break, he is much better than his recent results show..
Would really like to see Taeja win this, always get nervous when watching him TvT though as I think it's his weakest match up? He's beat some awesome terrans already this year (That 2-1 V Inno was epic) but with ForGG who's a renowned TvT specialist and Innovation with Sjow looking to win on home soil, Could be an upset coming? Hope he gets some good TvT practice in this week! GL Taeja and all TL participants!
On November 19 2013 02:08 Zealously wrote: Life'll own that shit all day every day, no contest
I'm ready for a Life vs Jaedong final and then we can fight to death in the LR thread.
You're welcome to n.Die in advance because I'm not going to be in any LR threads for that weekend. You really think I'd miss an oppurtunity to watch Life live in fucking Sweden? No way, no how
On November 19 2013 03:03 Littlebert wrote: Would really like to see Taeja win this, always get nervous when watching him TvT though as I think it's his weakest match up? He's beat some awesome terrans already this year (That 2-1 V Inno was epic) but with ForGG who's a renowned TvT specialist and Innovation with Sjow looking to win on home soil, Could be an upset coming? Hope he gets some good TvT practice in this week! GL Taeja and all TL participants!
TaeJa is 7-2 vs Inno, 0-4 vs ForGG, 2-1 vs SjoW and 3-2 vs sOs in HotS.
On November 19 2013 03:25 ninjamyst wrote: given HerO's condition lately, I doubt he will win Dreamhack winter this year. =*(. this winter has not been kind to HerO.
On November 19 2013 03:25 ninjamyst wrote: given HerO's condition lately, I doubt he will win Dreamhack winter this year. =*(. this winter has not been kind to HerO.
On November 19 2013 00:59 WhizPower wrote: Double elimination! I like that a LOT, wish more tournaments did it. Better chance that the best player wins
Are you trying to say Bo5s and a Bo7 final doesn't work? Come on now.
On November 19 2013 00:59 WhizPower wrote: Double elimination! I like that a LOT, wish more tournaments did it. Better chance that the best player wins
Are you trying to say Bo5s and a Bo7 final doesn't work? Come on now.
At this point, I'm fairly convinced that "better player" just means "the player I like more" in most cases
On November 19 2013 00:59 WhizPower wrote: Double elimination! I like that a LOT, wish more tournaments did it. Better chance that the best player wins
Are you trying to say Bo5s and a Bo7 final doesn't work? Come on now.
At this point, I'm fairly convinced that "better player" just means "the player I like more" in most cases
On November 19 2013 00:59 WhizPower wrote: Double elimination! I like that a LOT, wish more tournaments did it. Better chance that the best player wins
Are you trying to say Bo5s and a Bo7 final doesn't work? Come on now.
Besides, the player from the winner's bracket almost always wins a double elimination tournament. The biggest difference between it and single elimination is there's more games.
lol, i see the post saying format announced, and had the stupid idea that someone might try something fairer than groups into bracket. i should stop doing that
On November 19 2013 03:55 ImperialFist wrote: Setting up that Naniwa in that super ez group. legit....
Not like it's decided by performances this year or some shit, Swedes always so unfair
On November 19 2013 03:55 sixfour wrote: lol, i see the post saying format announced, and had the stupid idea that someone might try something fairer than groups into bracket. i should stop doing that
On November 19 2013 02:52 Qwerty85 wrote: Group C will be the ultimate test of Innovation's TvT... I have a feeling he will drop out early yet again... Poor Inno can't catch a break, he is much better than his recent results show..
He can get fourth and still advance to loser bracket. That shouldn't be too hard
Since MLG dropped SC2 it's been so long since I've seen a double elimination bracket, really looking forward to this. Swiss/dual tournament is a cool system and all, but so much WCS has kind of destroyed the novelty.
The not-fun fact is that apparently, TvT has become ForGG's worst match-up recently. Some guys on Millenium say that he's only around 50% in TvT on ladder while being around 70% in the other matchups.
Gogogo Lucifron! You can definately beat TLO and Hyun, and hopefully you've improved your TvP enough to beat Naniwa and Patience. Too much 'Fron for them!
On November 19 2013 05:06 vjcamarena wrote: Gogogo Lucifron! You can definately beat TLO and Hyun, and hopefully you've improved your TvP enough to beat Naniwa and Patience. Too much 'Fron for them!
On November 19 2013 05:31 Jacmert wrote: Nothing against JYP, but how did he make it to DH: Winter?
By performing well
** LucifroN and JYP qualified through seeding matches as StarDust and Jaedong already qualified through 2013 DreamHack Open: Summer and 2013 DreamHack Open: Stockholm
Man Group C is so stacked. It has 3 players easily in the top 10 overall right now out of a group of 5. It has 3 of the 5 favorites for the whole thing along with JD and Life.
On November 19 2013 05:06 vjcamarena wrote: Gogogo Lucifron! You can definately beat TLO and Hyun, and hopefully you've improved your TvP enough to beat Naniwa and Patience. Too much 'Fron for them!
On November 19 2013 05:04 Boucot wrote: The not-fun fact is that apparently, TvT has become ForGG's worst match-up recently. Some guys on Millenium say that he's only around 50% in TvT on ladder while being around 70% in the other matchups.
PvT is sOs' proclaimed worst match-up, yet as far as I know he is undefeated against Taeja and Bomber This tournament may be even more fun than Blizzcon
** LucifroN and JYP qualified through seeding matches as StarDust and Jaedong already qualified through 2013 DreamHack Open: Summer and 2013 DreamHack Open: Stockholm
Good for him, he's really been out of the spotlight recently
Don't doubt Inno's TvT. After watching him vs. Hack in the GSTL (after Blizzcon), it's quite obvious that he has been working on it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he sweeps his group. I also think that sOs will not be as dominant. If any terran in the group is smart, they will know of his style and adjust accordingly, like building ghosts to crush that zealot archon early combo. sOs has yet to prove his dominance over a period of time. He fell off the radar after WCS Season 1. I won't be surprised if he disappears again.
On November 19 2013 07:46 Cricketer12 wrote: PvT is sOs' proclaimed worst match-up, yet as far as I know he is undefeated against Taeja and Bomber This tournament may be even more fun than Blizzcon
nope, Taeja beat sOs 2-0 last they played in DH Bucharest
Sick lineup! I just wish it was not another tournament filled with the same old boring Derelict Watcher, Bel'Shir Vistage, Whirlwind, Polar Night bullshit map pool. Sick of seeing those maps...
On November 19 2013 07:46 Cricketer12 wrote: PvT is sOs' proclaimed worst match-up, yet as far as I know he is undefeated against Taeja and Bomber This tournament may be even more fun than Blizzcon
Taeja only played him once and that was in WCS KR season 1 when Taeja was already forced to go to WCS AM next season. Pretty small sample size to be honest. And I am pretty sure it was a 2-1.
On November 19 2013 14:44 F1rstAssau1t wrote: If Sjow makes it out of his group, im gona tatto his face in my back.
you know 4 out of 5 make it out right? It's going to be tough but there is a slight chance he might get 4th
Well, I hope he makes it out of his group because I'd love to see someone tattoo his name on their face. F1rstAssau1t ain't getting out of this. You can't make a bet on the internet and just back out.
But seriously, Sjow's got his work cut out for him. At least since no one is really expecting him to get out, if he doesn't, no one will blame him!
EPT
HyuN, 
NaNiwa, 
LucifroN, ![[image loading]](http://open.dreamhack.se/images/8177275-Bracket-720.png)
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