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The Man in the Machine: Acer.INnoVation - Road to Blizzcon…

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The Man in the Machine: Acer.INnoVation - Road to Blizzcon #4

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November 2nd, 2013 18:48 GMT
2013 WCS Finals

Acer.INnoVation is the same dominant player he always was - except in TvT.

by Zealously

It feels like just yesterday that (T)Acer.INnoVation was an invincible robot, a nightmare for Zerg, a perfect SCV puller, and the best player in the world. More than perhaps any other player in the three-year history of SC2, Innovation looked almost unbeatable at his peak. He carried a last place Proleague team to a championship, made former GSL champions like Life and RorO look like jokes, and generally ruled with an iron fist. Even one monumental choke (the first and last time it would happen) against Soulkey in the Code S finals did little to blemish the fact that the first three months of HotS belonged to INnoVation and INnoVation alone.

His fall came with the hellbat nerf—a crippling blow to the hellbat-drop tactics that were the backbone of his TvT play. Without hellbat drops, INnoVation would have his path impeded by Terran after Terran, with the mirror-match up contributing to every single tournament elimination that followed after the patch. Each successive elimination slowly dimmed his aura of invincibility, each GG revealing more of his mortality. And though INnoVation no longer has that mystical aura, rumors of his demise have been greatly exaggerated.

Yes, the overall win-rate after the hellbat-drop nerf shows a marked change, with INnoVation dropping to a 64.75% win rate from a previously jaw-dropping 72.58%. But a closer examination of the stats reveals that it really is just Terran vs. Terran holding INnoVation up. His winrate excluding TvT is still a bonjwa-esque 76.74%, actually UP a few percentage points from 73.86% before the hellbat patch.

The TvT hit INnoVation took from the hellbat patch is just that massive: he's down from an excellent 69.44% win rate to a dismal 36.11%. Going by just the numbers, it seems that INnoVation is just as unstoppable as before as long as he's not playing TvT.

Down in flames: INnoVation before and after the hellbat nerf.
Match-upPre-PatchPost-Patch
TvT25-11 (69.44%)13-23 (36.11%)
Non-TvT65-23 (73.86%)66-20 (76.74%)
Overall90-34 (72.58%)79-43 (64.75%)

Stats from Aligulac.com. Only stats vs. Korean opponents used.

Looking at the content of his games, we're led to a slightly different but altogether similar conclusion. Through adaptation and the help of a few minor buffs, Zergs have learned to somewhat handle Innovation's once unstoppable parade push and can occasionally steal a macro game off of him. On the other hand, INnoVation has become much better at stopping the baneling all-ins that were once his only weakness, leading to a similar win-rate on the whole. Meanwhile, as Protoss players have become rather adept at defending and playing for the late-game, INnoVation has remained a very strong TvP player by focusing on dealing damage in the early-mid game and adding SCV-pull timings to his arsenal.

Late game strength is what creates the image of invincibility, and it's true that INnoVation is currently lacking in that regard. But as MC has shown on countless occasions, or PartinG as showed at last year's WCS Grand Finals, as long as you win it doesn't matter how you win. INnoVation may no longer be the pure, Artosian ideal of a macro Terran player being cast on your LCD monitor, but against Protoss and Zerg he's just as strong as he was before.

The problem for INnoVation is Terran, seven of which have been gathered at Blizzcon aside from himself. If nothing else, (T)Bomber, (T)Maru, (T)MMA, (T)Polt, (T)TaeJa, (T)Mvp, and (T)aLive are all superb TvT players. If INnoVation has spent this long time off honing his TvT, bring it up back up to par with his other match-ups, then he can take Blizzcon and begin his second reign. If not, he will continue on as a great but not transcendent player. That's a fine existence for 99% of the players in the world, but not for INnoVation, a player who has tasted what it's like to be utterly peerless. For him, the only thing to do is reach that spot again, and hold on to it for even longer.

INnoVation has been waylaid on his road to becoming the undisputed king of the Starcraft II scene, the Mvp of HotS. Winning the biggest Starcraft II tournament there is to win will bring him one colossal step closer to reaching that goal. It will mean more than having an absurd win rate, more than winning the Proleague, and more than winning the Season 1 finals. With this in mind, I believe that Innovation comes into Blizzcon with more determination than ever before.

Everything else this year has been qualifiers upon qualifiers for even more qualifiers, all for one ultimate tournament. Ultimately Blizzcon is what decides what we'll remember of 2013 in Starcraft. Blizzcon represents the chance to create a lasting legacy as the ultimate champion of 2013. The $100,000 first place prize is a huge motivator for sure, but INnoVation would have stayed with KeSPA if money was his primary goal.

Don't be fooled by INnoVation's disinterested demeanor and monotone voice, a certain interview lets us know that Innovation's ultimate goal is winning and proving to both himself and to the fans that he is the best player on the planet. Winning is what Innovation is all about. and nothing else will satisfy him. With an attitude like that, mark my words that INnoVation will make sure he is in the very best condition he can possibly be in coming into the WCS Finals, and he will play at the highest level possible at Blizzcon.


WCS Grand Finals
Brackets and info on Liquipedia

1: Soulkey - The Tragic Champion
2: INnoVation - The Man in the Machine
3: Jaedong - In Search of Lost Time
4: Polt - Prince of the Tides
5: HerO - Fire and Ice
6: Dear - The Unending Royal Road
7: Maru - The Prince Who Would be King
8: Bomber - I Fought the Law (And I Won)
9: MMA - Out of Exile
10: MC - Cash Rules Everything Around Me
11: TaeJa - Fire and Ice
12: sOs - On the Cutting Edge
13: aLive - The Iconoclast
14: Mvp - The King
15: duckdeok - Faceless
16: NaNiwa
17: Revival - ???


Writers: Zealously.
Supplemental writing: Waxangel.
Photo: silverfire.
Editors: stuchiu, Waxangel.
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lichter
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November 02 2013 18:56 GMT
#2
ALREADY? I'm not yet ready!
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
November 02 2013 18:57 GMT
#3
Go Innovation!

Despite everyone calling him a robot and personality-less, I believe Innovation is actually a very emotional player. Getting reverse-swept by Soulkey, losing to Maru in the OSL semis, getting eliminated early in the Season 2 finals by Taeja and Naniwa, it seems like these were examples of where Innovation got tilted.

Sure, it seems like Innovation's emotions appear to be a weakness, which might be why he's trying to suppress them and create this image of a emotionless machine. But don't be fooled, sometimes the ones that try to hide emotions are the most emotional of all.
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Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-02 18:58:37
November 02 2013 18:58 GMT
#4
On November 03 2013 03:56 lichter wrote:
ALREADY? I'm not yet ready!

So that's why article 5 is here before number 4!

Still, another great article. I wouldn't mind having Innovation win it all.

Edit: Now this one is article four. How sneaky.
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Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
November 02 2013 19:00 GMT
#5
Innovation is good but his SOUL has passed to the DEER !!!

I'm loving these articles, so much hype !!!!!
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United States3815 Posts
November 02 2013 19:02 GMT
#6
Am I the only one bothered these aren't all just titled "The ________"? The King. The Innovator. The Faceless. The Machine.
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Andorra109 Posts
November 02 2013 19:03 GMT
#7
Loving these articles, especially the names... Faceless, The King, very accurate please make Alive's : Alive: Really?
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 02 2013 19:04 GMT
#8
On November 03 2013 04:03 MysterySC wrote:
Loving these articles, especially the names... Faceless, The King, very accurate please make Alive's : Alive: Really?


Who?
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 02 2013 19:08 GMT
#9
INnoVation going down in round 2 to Maru!
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United States30730 Posts
November 02 2013 19:11 GMT
#10
RoBogus won't win. Too much Terran here
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Greece2376 Posts
November 02 2013 19:11 GMT
#11
I don't think he has any chance of winning this tournament.There are too many good Terans.
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November 02 2013 19:14 GMT
#12
On November 03 2013 04:03 MysterySC wrote:
Loving these articles, especially the names... Faceless, The King, very accurate please make Alive's : Alive: Really?


It'll be quite fitting if there isn't an alive article at all....only for him to win the whole thing lol
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lichter
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November 02 2013 19:18 GMT
#13
On November 03 2013 04:14 Steins;Gate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 04:03 MysterySC wrote:
Loving these articles, especially the names... Faceless, The King, very accurate please make Alive's : Alive: Really?


It'll be quite fitting if there isn't an alive article at all....only for him to win the whole thing lol


More likely it'll be a hidden invisible post
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
November 02 2013 19:18 GMT
#14
HYPE
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United States44137 Posts
November 02 2013 19:18 GMT
#15
Great write-up! Innovation is so inspiring
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-02 19:22:58
November 02 2013 19:22 GMT
#16
On November 03 2013 04:03 MysterySC wrote:
Loving these articles, especially the names... Faceless, The King, very accurate please make Alive's : Alive: Really?

No goddamnit, alive should get the sexiest most epic article ever with motherfucking fireworks, explosions and a theme song.
And when I say explosions we're talking michael bay here
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Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
November 02 2013 19:24 GMT
#17
Seems like innovations "biography" is a lot shorter than everyone elses
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Incubus1993
Profile Joined February 2013
Canada140 Posts
November 02 2013 19:27 GMT
#18
Innovation will have a great run at Blizzcon, even with a slumping TvT I think the stakes are too high for him to fall so easily if he does run into another Terran. I expect him to get top 4 at the least. He's just too good. It's so damn hard to predict anything past the round of 16 for this tournament though, it's incredibly stacked.

CANNOT wait for this tournament!
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Azurues
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia5612 Posts
November 02 2013 19:28 GMT
#19
A little short article for the guy who brought everyone fear early 2013 though

But all i can say i want more!
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
November 02 2013 19:28 GMT
#20
already saving up for an observer to see the alive article here !
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33326 Posts
November 02 2013 19:39 GMT
#21
fionn is curiously silent on the topic of a polt article
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
November 02 2013 19:41 GMT
#22
too busy playing lol
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
November 02 2013 19:50 GMT
#23
It only seems short because lichter and me write obnoxiously long stuff
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 02 2013 19:51 GMT
#24
On November 03 2013 04:22 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 04:03 MysterySC wrote:
Loving these articles, especially the names... Faceless, The King, very accurate please make Alive's : Alive: Really?

No goddamnit, alive should get the sexiest most epic article ever with motherfucking fireworks, explosions and a theme song.
And when I say explosions we're talking michael bay here


Alive shouldn't get an article. That would be funniest.
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
November 02 2013 19:51 GMT
#25
On November 03 2013 04:04 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 04:03 MysterySC wrote:
Loving these articles, especially the names... Faceless, The King, very accurate please make Alive's : Alive: Really?


Who?


Whole article should be written in invisible text
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 02 2013 19:53 GMT
#26
On November 03 2013 04:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:
It only seems short because lichter and me write obnoxiously long stuff


BUT WHAT IF LIFE WAS AT BLIZZCON
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Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
November 02 2013 19:54 GMT
#27
not gonna lie: I'm not a fan anymore. bogus always lived off the impression that he is the unstoppable, unmovable, unquestionable roboter who stomps anyone who dares to stand in his way. since blizzard nerfed his TvT, he lost that.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
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Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
November 02 2013 19:56 GMT
#28
holy shit you guys are fasttttt with these :o
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eurTsItniH
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November 02 2013 19:59 GMT
#29
On November 03 2013 04:54 Hryul wrote:
not gonna lie: I'm not a fan anymore. bogus always lived off the impression that he is the unstoppable, unmovable, unquestionable roboter who stomps anyone who dares to stand in his way. since blizzard nerfed his TvT, he lost that.


So you aren't a fan of him anymore because he doesn't win everything now?
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 02 2013 19:59 GMT
#30
On November 03 2013 04:53 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 04:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:
It only seems short because lichter and me write obnoxiously long stuff


BUT WHAT IF LIFE WAS AT BLIZZCON

Should have gone to WCS EU
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 02 2013 19:59 GMT
#31
On November 03 2013 04:53 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 04:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:
It only seems short because lichter and me write obnoxiously long stuff


BUT WHAT IF LIFE WAS AT BLIZZCON


WHAT IF YUGIOH WAS AT...

yeah nvm
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Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
November 02 2013 20:01 GMT
#32
On November 03 2013 04:59 eurTsItniH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 04:54 Hryul wrote:
not gonna lie: I'm not a fan anymore. bogus always lived off the impression that he is the unstoppable, unmovable, unquestionable roboter who stomps anyone who dares to stand in his way. since blizzard nerfed his TvT, he lost that.


So you aren't a fan of him anymore because he doesn't win everything now?

well it's not only that he doesn't win. he loses. badly.

but the answer to your question is "yes".
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
November 02 2013 20:02 GMT
#33
I had no idea how much Innovation's TvT dropped wow
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
November 02 2013 20:02 GMT
#34
On November 03 2013 04:53 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 04:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:
It only seems short because lichter and me write obnoxiously long stuff


BUT WHAT IF LIFE WAS AT BLIZZCON

Hey, DLO wrote his article on duckdeok. AKA NOT HERO. Begone with your excuses!
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
November 02 2013 20:03 GMT
#35
On November 03 2013 05:01 Hryul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 04:59 eurTsItniH wrote:
On November 03 2013 04:54 Hryul wrote:
not gonna lie: I'm not a fan anymore. bogus always lived off the impression that he is the unstoppable, unmovable, unquestionable roboter who stomps anyone who dares to stand in his way. since blizzard nerfed his TvT, he lost that.


So you aren't a fan of him anymore because he doesn't win everything now?

well it's not only that he doesn't win. he loses. badly.

but the answer to your question is "yes".


well fans like you aren't really missed.
Zest fanboy.
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-02 20:06:38
November 02 2013 20:05 GMT
#36
On November 03 2013 04:04 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 04:03 MysterySC wrote:
Loving these articles, especially the names... Faceless, The King, very accurate please make Alive's : Alive: Really?


Who?


EGMoneyRC

On November 03 2013 04:39 Waxangel wrote:
fionn is curiously silent on the topic of a polt article


Didn't he sell out to League?
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Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-02 20:06:57
November 02 2013 20:06 GMT
#37
double
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
November 02 2013 20:11 GMT
#38
On November 03 2013 05:03 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 05:01 Hryul wrote:
On November 03 2013 04:59 eurTsItniH wrote:
On November 03 2013 04:54 Hryul wrote:
not gonna lie: I'm not a fan anymore. bogus always lived off the impression that he is the unstoppable, unmovable, unquestionable roboter who stomps anyone who dares to stand in his way. since blizzard nerfed his TvT, he lost that.


So you aren't a fan of him anymore because he doesn't win everything now?

well it's not only that he doesn't win. he loses. badly.

but the answer to your question is "yes".


well fans like you aren't really missed.

like it would change anything.
still waiting for the "not a real fan"-card.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 02 2013 20:13 GMT
#39
On November 03 2013 05:11 Hryul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 05:03 sAsImre wrote:
On November 03 2013 05:01 Hryul wrote:
On November 03 2013 04:59 eurTsItniH wrote:
On November 03 2013 04:54 Hryul wrote:
not gonna lie: I'm not a fan anymore. bogus always lived off the impression that he is the unstoppable, unmovable, unquestionable roboter who stomps anyone who dares to stand in his way. since blizzard nerfed his TvT, he lost that.


So you aren't a fan of him anymore because he doesn't win everything now?

well it's not only that he doesn't win. he loses. badly.

but the answer to your question is "yes".


well fans like you aren't really missed.

like it would change anything.
still waiting for the "not a real fan"-card.


Being a fan of a player, to me, is different from just being impressed by a player when he wins
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
November 02 2013 20:15 GMT
#40
On November 03 2013 04:53 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 04:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:
It only seems short because lichter and me write obnoxiously long stuff


BUT WHAT IF LIFE WAS AT BLIZZCON


OR RORO?!
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Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
November 02 2013 20:22 GMT
#41
For some reason, I just love the " The Man in the Machine " expression for Innovation.
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InsidiA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1169 Posts
November 02 2013 20:22 GMT
#42
Lovely write up as per usual, but what is with the amateur-ish header images for all of these :S
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 02 2013 20:23 GMT
#43
On November 03 2013 05:15 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 04:53 Zealously wrote:
On November 03 2013 04:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:
It only seems short because lichter and me write obnoxiously long stuff


BUT WHAT IF LIFE WAS AT BLIZZCON


OR RORO?!

If only GSL Season 1 2013 counted and was in the right game
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
November 02 2013 20:24 GMT
#44
On November 03 2013 05:13 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 05:11 Hryul wrote:
On November 03 2013 05:03 sAsImre wrote:
On November 03 2013 05:01 Hryul wrote:
On November 03 2013 04:59 eurTsItniH wrote:
On November 03 2013 04:54 Hryul wrote:
not gonna lie: I'm not a fan anymore. bogus always lived off the impression that he is the unstoppable, unmovable, unquestionable roboter who stomps anyone who dares to stand in his way. since blizzard nerfed his TvT, he lost that.


So you aren't a fan of him anymore because he doesn't win everything now?

well it's not only that he doesn't win. he loses. badly.

but the answer to your question is "yes".


well fans like you aren't really missed.

like it would change anything.
still waiting for the "not a real fan"-card.


Being a fan of a player, to me, is different from just being impressed by a player when he wins


well it's just classical banwagoning, and those ppl are everywhere. Just gloryseekers who can't realize what's great about a player beyond winning.
Zest fanboy.
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-02 20:26:50
November 02 2013 20:25 GMT
#45
On November 03 2013 05:13 Zealously wrote:
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On November 03 2013 05:11 Hryul wrote:
On November 03 2013 05:03 sAsImre wrote:
On November 03 2013 05:01 Hryul wrote:
On November 03 2013 04:59 eurTsItniH wrote:
On November 03 2013 04:54 Hryul wrote:
not gonna lie: I'm not a fan anymore. bogus always lived off the impression that he is the unstoppable, unmovable, unquestionable roboter who stomps anyone who dares to stand in his way. since blizzard nerfed his TvT, he lost that.


So you aren't a fan of him anymore because he doesn't win everything now?

well it's not only that he doesn't win. he loses. badly.

but the answer to your question is "yes".


well fans like you aren't really missed.

like it would change anything.
still waiting for the "not a real fan"-card.


Being a fan of a player, to me, is different from just being impressed by a player when he wins

But isn't that just semantics? having a positive attitude towards, rooting for, liking, wanting him to win when he plays. where do you draw the line?
if anybody feels better he/she can easily replace "fan" with "liked" and be happy.
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Belgica34432 Posts
November 02 2013 20:27 GMT
#46
Great write up
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imre
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France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-02 20:30:54
November 02 2013 20:28 GMT
#47
On November 03 2013 05:25 Hryul wrote:
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On November 03 2013 05:13 Zealously wrote:
On November 03 2013 05:11 Hryul wrote:
On November 03 2013 05:03 sAsImre wrote:
On November 03 2013 05:01 Hryul wrote:
On November 03 2013 04:59 eurTsItniH wrote:
On November 03 2013 04:54 Hryul wrote:
not gonna lie: I'm not a fan anymore. bogus always lived off the impression that he is the unstoppable, unmovable, unquestionable roboter who stomps anyone who dares to stand in his way. since blizzard nerfed his TvT, he lost that.


So you aren't a fan of him anymore because he doesn't win everything now?

well it's not only that he doesn't win. he loses. badly.

but the answer to your question is "yes".


well fans like you aren't really missed.

like it would change anything.
still waiting for the "not a real fan"-card.


Being a fan of a player, to me, is different from just being impressed by a player when he wins

But isn't that just semantics? having a positive attitude towards, rooting for, liking, wanting him to win when he plays. where do you draw the line?
if anybody feels better he/she can easily replace "fan" with "liked" and be happy.


you don't appreciate inno, you appreciate players who win in a dominating fashion, good thing for you you can follow the dear train now. but considering how most ppl are unable to appreciate other skills from inno than is micro/macro it's not exactly surprising.
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igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
November 02 2013 20:37 GMT
#48
man i think hes going to be pretty unstoppable at blizzcon.

I was really starting to think his rein of terror was never going to end for a while there.
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LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
November 02 2013 20:43 GMT
#49
Someone write some TvT script for Inno to download.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 02 2013 20:45 GMT
#50
On November 03 2013 05:23 Shellshock wrote:
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On November 03 2013 05:15 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On November 03 2013 04:53 Zealously wrote:
On November 03 2013 04:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:
It only seems short because lichter and me write obnoxiously long stuff


BUT WHAT IF LIFE WAS AT BLIZZCON


OR RORO?!

If only GSL Season 1 2013 counted and was in the right game

Roro should have won his GSL in an alive game.
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niiir
Profile Joined August 2012
Poland22 Posts
November 02 2013 20:45 GMT
#51
nostradamus here :



innovation will win blizzcon without dropping single map.
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Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
November 02 2013 20:52 GMT
#52
On November 03 2013 05:28 sAsImre wrote:
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On November 03 2013 05:25 Hryul wrote:
On November 03 2013 05:13 Zealously wrote:
On November 03 2013 05:11 Hryul wrote:
On November 03 2013 05:03 sAsImre wrote:
On November 03 2013 05:01 Hryul wrote:
On November 03 2013 04:59 eurTsItniH wrote:
On November 03 2013 04:54 Hryul wrote:
not gonna lie: I'm not a fan anymore. bogus always lived off the impression that he is the unstoppable, unmovable, unquestionable roboter who stomps anyone who dares to stand in his way. since blizzard nerfed his TvT, he lost that.


So you aren't a fan of him anymore because he doesn't win everything now?

well it's not only that he doesn't win. he loses. badly.

but the answer to your question is "yes".


well fans like you aren't really missed.

like it would change anything.
still waiting for the "not a real fan"-card.


Being a fan of a player, to me, is different from just being impressed by a player when he wins

But isn't that just semantics? having a positive attitude towards, rooting for, liking, wanting him to win when he plays. where do you draw the line?
if anybody feels better he/she can easily replace "fan" with "liked" and be happy.


you don't appreciate inno, you appreciate players who win in a dominating fashion, good thing for you you can follow the dear train now. but considering how most ppl are unable to appreciate other skills from inno than is micro/macro it's not exactly surprising.

sorry, can't hop the deer bandwagon yet. MMA is playing
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Schroedinger
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany80 Posts
November 02 2013 21:00 GMT
#53
INnoVation will always be my number 1.
He won my heart during the last GSL in Wings of Liberty.
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Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
November 02 2013 21:06 GMT
#54
"The pure, Artosian ideal" I almost died laughing! XD
Pyloss
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1515 Posts
November 02 2013 21:12 GMT
#55
Wow, great that it is there already, so i see u making it to 16 previews in the remaning 6 days.

#AcerInno hawiting!
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MisterTea
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1047 Posts
November 02 2013 21:19 GMT
#56
is it too late to book next weekend off for work? I think not
zumpy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States122 Posts
November 02 2013 21:53 GMT
#57
These write-ups are so awesome. I can't wait for them all!
well won
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10301 Posts
November 02 2013 21:56 GMT
#58
Artosian ideal

...

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Darkdwarf
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Sweden960 Posts
November 02 2013 22:02 GMT
#59
Awesome article, Zealously! Can't see INnoVation winning with so many good TvT-Terrans present, tbh.
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Xrero
Profile Joined August 2010
United States120 Posts
November 02 2013 22:14 GMT
#60
Innovation is the single most invincible SC2 player I've ever seen when he's playing well. I feel like if he hits form, he will destroy anyone. And I really hope he hits top form. Innovation FTW. Either him or MMA winning would be awesome.
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Profile Joined January 2013
United States976 Posts
November 02 2013 22:14 GMT
#61
My body was not ready
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Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States314 Posts
November 02 2013 22:20 GMT
#62
I always thought INnoVation's title would be "The Prophecy".
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Profile Joined February 2012
United States325 Posts
November 02 2013 22:21 GMT
#63
I'm not positive, but Innovation only has 1 win against Taeja and that was in game 1 during the group stages of Season 2 Finals. It's going to be a hard road for him after his match against duckdeok
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slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
November 02 2013 22:28 GMT
#64
On November 03 2013 07:21 astray71 wrote:
I'm not positive, but Innovation only has 1 win against Taeja and that was in game 1 during the group stages of Season 2 Finals. It's going to be a hard road for him after his match against duckdeok

http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=&before=&players=innovation
taeja&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=Search

Inno's won 4 maps vs Taeja, but Taeja does have a surprisingly good record against him.
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NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
November 02 2013 22:38 GMT
#65
TvT will forever be this awesome player's bane
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
November 02 2013 23:38 GMT
#66
4 down 13 to go!

Good work on this one Zealously.
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VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
November 03 2013 00:03 GMT
#67
Very good article.

By the way Zealously, how happy would you be if they let you write Life's article for next year's Blizzcon?
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 03 2013 00:06 GMT
#68
On November 03 2013 09:03 VisonKai wrote:
Very good article.

By the way Zealously, how happy would you be if they let you write Life's article for next year's Blizzcon?


What do you mean if they let me
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 03 2013 00:06 GMT
#69
Bogus sold his soul for dat Acer money, he's got no chance.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
November 03 2013 00:09 GMT
#70
On November 03 2013 09:06 Dodgin wrote:
Bogus sold his soul for dat Acer money, he's got no chance.


stx should have sell soul to Acer :D
Zest fanboy.
Holloworb
Profile Joined November 2011
Norway345 Posts
November 03 2013 00:31 GMT
#71
Hyped for Blizzcon!
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
November 03 2013 00:35 GMT
#72
On November 03 2013 09:06 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 09:03 VisonKai wrote:
Very good article.

By the way Zealously, how happy would you be if they let you write Life's article for next year's Blizzcon?


What do you mean if they let me


That's true. The chances of you writing it are almost as certain as Life's chances of making it to Blizzcon.
XtreMe_au
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia412 Posts
November 03 2013 00:43 GMT
#73
I really think people are underestimating inno.. He said he started losing because he was playing too many tournaments at once. With a quiet month or two of solid TvT training he could snap this! Go Innovation!!
Green_25
Profile Joined June 2013
Great Britain696 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-03 00:48:50
November 03 2013 00:47 GMT
#74
Haha, these articles are amazing. Great job!

I particularly love the phrase, 'pure Artosian ideal', so evocative lol.

I think Innovation will actually do decently in TvT during blizzcon, but will fall to a protoss.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10301 Posts
November 03 2013 00:49 GMT
#75
On November 03 2013 07:20 NapkinBox wrote:
I always thought INnoVation's title would be "The Prophecy".


i hoped it would be "Human After All"
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
November 03 2013 00:58 GMT
#76
On November 03 2013 09:47 Green_25 wrote:
Haha, these articles are amazing. Great job!

I particularly love the phrase, 'pure Artosian ideal', so evocative lol.

I think Innovation will actually do decently in TvT during blizzcon, but will fall to a protoss.

Yeah, I think Innovation has completely adapted the Acer style of being good against everything except protoss.
But we'll have to wait and see, I just know something super surprising is going to happen this tournament.
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XtreMe_au
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia412 Posts
November 03 2013 01:04 GMT
#77
On November 03 2013 09:58 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 09:47 Green_25 wrote:
Haha, these articles are amazing. Great job!

I particularly love the phrase, 'pure Artosian ideal', so evocative lol.

I think Innovation will actually do decently in TvT during blizzcon, but will fall to a protoss.

Yeah, I think Innovation has completely adapted the Acer style of being good against everything except protoss.
But we'll have to wait and see, I just know something super surprising is going to happen this tournament.

If MVP won shit would get reaaaaaal
FlyingSteaks
Profile Joined April 2012
Brazil433 Posts
November 03 2013 01:15 GMT
#78
Go Innovation, time to claim your reign back!
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
November 03 2013 01:16 GMT
#79
The #1.

No one shall stand.
RIP MKP
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
November 03 2013 01:43 GMT
#80
I feel like the article made innovation seem even more like a robot
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alber
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada45 Posts
November 03 2013 03:00 GMT
#81
That series in season 2 when Maru took him out with 4 cheeses...
renzpwns
Profile Joined March 2013
United States8 Posts
November 03 2013 03:15 GMT
#82
Big INno fan, really want to see him face Dear, like soooo bad. But we'll see if he fixed his TvT enough to get a payback at Maru.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 03 2013 03:19 GMT
#83
Am I the only one who is rooting for every one of these players?

I don't know what to think except there will be sick games.
lystier
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
China877 Posts
November 03 2013 03:47 GMT
#84
Great analysis, but not so emotional 0_0
Startale forever.
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
November 03 2013 04:01 GMT
#85
On November 03 2013 12:47 lystier wrote:
Great analysis, but not so emotional 0_0


Like the person being analyzed in the article
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Steins;Gate
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1422 Posts
November 03 2013 04:48 GMT
#86
On November 03 2013 13:01 Veldril wrote:
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On November 03 2013 12:47 lystier wrote:
Great analysis, but not so emotional 0_0


Like the person being analyzed in the article


still more emotional than innovation
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44095 Posts
November 03 2013 04:50 GMT
#87
awesome ! perfectly described innovation in this article .. 4/16 .. 12 to go !!!!
this is a quote
robertpires87
Profile Joined October 2013
Northern Ireland87 Posts
November 03 2013 05:05 GMT
#88
David Kim's killed Innovation's TvT. Pretty depressing
Tamagoshi
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil981 Posts
November 03 2013 05:13 GMT
#89
On November 03 2013 14:05 robertpires87 wrote:
David Kim's killed Innovation's TvT. Pretty depressing

To be honest, his kind of TvT was killing TvTs
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 03 2013 05:14 GMT
#90
On November 03 2013 14:13 Tamagoshi wrote:
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On November 03 2013 14:05 robertpires87 wrote:
David Kim's killed Innovation's TvT. Pretty depressing

To be honest, his kind of TvT was killing TvTs

Yeah, personally, I think TvT is much better thanks to the hellbat change. Not everyone may agree but I think the majority would.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 03 2013 05:32 GMT
#91
Hellbat TvT was basically PvP before all the 4gate nerfs
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
November 03 2013 06:21 GMT
#92
Innoooooooooooo <3
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
November 03 2013 08:26 GMT
#93
Damn these articles are good ! but still.....DIE ! DIE ! DIE ! INNOVATION >:D
Sanobot
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany35 Posts
November 03 2013 08:50 GMT
#94
so the argument is that innovation is just one update (the blueflame) away from his superb play?

why not just get it every TvT game and thats that?
I might be wrong but I'm not.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
November 03 2013 10:15 GMT
#95
It should be "the machine in the man" IMHO, not the other way around.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
November 03 2013 10:16 GMT
#96
On November 03 2013 14:32 lichter wrote:
Hellbat TvT was basically PvP before all the 4gate nerfs

No. Nobody in the era of 4 gate pvp had over 70 percent winrate
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
November 03 2013 10:28 GMT
#97
On November 03 2013 19:16 nimdil wrote:
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On November 03 2013 14:32 lichter wrote:
Hellbat TvT was basically PvP before all the 4gate nerfs

No. Nobody in the era of 4 gate pvp had over 70 percent winrate
Didn't elfi had that? Oz was pretty good for a while too.
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Vete
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany190 Posts
November 03 2013 10:35 GMT
#98
On November 03 2013 19:28 Weavel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 19:16 nimdil wrote:
On November 03 2013 14:32 lichter wrote:
Hellbat TvT was basically PvP before all the 4gate nerfs

No. Nobody in the era of 4 gate pvp had over 70 percent winrate
Didn't elfi had that? Oz was pretty good for a while too.


4Gate Elfi <3
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
November 03 2013 10:36 GMT
#99
Very good article, and I have nerdchills all over my body when reading all these articles. Just keep them going, they are amazingly awesome! :D
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habeck
Profile Joined February 2011
1120 Posts
November 03 2013 10:55 GMT
#100
On November 03 2013 19:28 Weavel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 19:16 nimdil wrote:
On November 03 2013 14:32 lichter wrote:
Hellbat TvT was basically PvP before all the 4gate nerfs

No. Nobody in the era of 4 gate pvp had over 70 percent winrate
Didn't elfi had that? Oz was pretty good for a while too.


MC?
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
November 03 2013 11:10 GMT
#101
On November 03 2013 19:55 habeck wrote:
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On November 03 2013 19:28 Weavel wrote:
On November 03 2013 19:16 nimdil wrote:
On November 03 2013 14:32 lichter wrote:
Hellbat TvT was basically PvP before all the 4gate nerfs

No. Nobody in the era of 4 gate pvp had over 70 percent winrate
Didn't elfi had that? Oz was pretty good for a while too.


MC?


Yeah I think MC had like upwards of 75-80% PvP back in early 2011 or so. Then Alicia knocked him out of the Super Tournament >_>
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urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-03 11:26:07
November 03 2013 11:25 GMT
#102
If Innovation's TvP is that good then he can beat Dear.
If Innovation's TvT is that bad then he will be stopped by Maru before it comes to that.
jackslater
Profile Joined November 2012
Russian Federation604 Posts
November 03 2013 11:56 GMT
#103
Good read! Thanks.
stickyhands
Profile Joined May 2011
187 Posts
November 03 2013 12:30 GMT
#104
If inno has improved his TvT, then...
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Khai
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia551 Posts
November 03 2013 12:32 GMT
#105
For some reason I don't think Innovation can win Blizzcon, he's shown too many chinks in his armor along the way. Season 1 I would've backed him to win anything but now hmmm... I doubt he's anywhere near favourite status but should still stand a good chance. Tbh I feel like at least 10 players stand a good chance of winning, Blizzcon is gonna be one hell of a tournament.
AlgeriaT
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden2196 Posts
November 03 2013 12:37 GMT
#106
These pre-Blizzcon hype articles are so damn good. TL at its best. Can't wait for the one on Naniwa
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jeri
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-03 12:45:11
November 03 2013 12:39 GMT
#107
its almost impossible to predict any winners. some cases like mvp/alive/bomber.... who hasnt showed any results in last 2 months and almost dropping out of their premiers.... at s3 finals i realy thought that soulkey would wipe the floor with dear, like he did with trap and with rain in gsl. but boy... was i wrong.
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Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
November 03 2013 14:00 GMT
#108
On November 03 2013 14:32 lichter wrote:
Hellbat TvT was basically PvP before all the 4gate nerfs


Nah PvP was never about multitasking. Hellbat TvT was 100% multitasking. But it still sucked.
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BoggieMan
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
520 Posts
November 03 2013 14:19 GMT
#109
On November 03 2013 23:00 Aunvilgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 14:32 lichter wrote:
Hellbat TvT was basically PvP before all the 4gate nerfs


Nah PvP was never about multitasking. Hellbat TvT was 100% multitasking. But it still sucked.


His point was just that everyone used the same build, and it was a very aggressive matchup that rarely lasted beyond 15 minutes.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44095 Posts
November 03 2013 14:20 GMT
#110
On November 03 2013 23:19 BoggieMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 23:00 Aunvilgod wrote:
On November 03 2013 14:32 lichter wrote:
Hellbat TvT was basically PvP before all the 4gate nerfs


Nah PvP was never about multitasking. Hellbat TvT was 100% multitasking. But it still sucked.


His point was just that everyone used the same build, and it was a very aggressive matchup that rarely lasted beyond 15 minutes.

like zvz before spore buff ?
this is a quote
ftA
Profile Joined November 2013
United States2 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-03 14:28:41
November 03 2013 14:26 GMT
#111
The most impressive part about his rise in non-TvT win% is that it's an equally good sample size. It sucks to see that a player so good was hit so heavily by the nerfing of one unit. I'm sure it comes down to a little more than that. But it just goes to show that if you rely too heavily on one thing in this game -- "His fall came with the hellbat nerf—a crippling blow to the hellbat-drop tactics that were the backbone of his TvT play." -- you are going to experience A LOT of variance.
ftA
Profile Joined November 2013
United States2 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-03 14:30:18
November 03 2013 14:30 GMT
#112
Great write-up! It might just be me, but I think there are spaces missing after italicized words here.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3805 Posts
November 03 2013 17:15 GMT
#113
Hopefully, INnoVation has prepared with MMA. The TvT of MMA can rub off on him, and he can helps MMA in the other MU's. The Terran duo of Acer is quite strong to say the least.
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Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3674 Posts
November 03 2013 17:19 GMT
#114
On November 03 2013 23:00 Aunvilgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2013 14:32 lichter wrote:
Hellbat TvT was basically PvP before all the 4gate nerfs


Nah PvP was never about multitasking. Hellbat TvT was 100% multitasking. But it still sucked.


Define multitasking. Personally from playing all the races I felt like dealing with counter zealot warp ins in your main while executing your 4gate in his main was about equally "hard" from "microing" hellbat drops while defending against them.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
November 03 2013 17:24 GMT
#115
There's still 13 more of these in the next 120 hours.
I bet the next one will be about naniwa
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kisoso
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria105 Posts
November 03 2013 17:25 GMT
#116
Best case scenario - InnoVation doesn't hit any terran on the way to the final with Soulkey. Any other case = bad.
SHODAN
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1061 Posts
November 03 2013 20:27 GMT
#117
I gotta tell ya, it was fun watching Innovation lose his mythical aura. the series against Mvp and months of hellbat abuse was kinda disgusting. but that doesn't matter now. we need a man like Innovation to slay the toss dragons.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 04 2013 01:13 GMT
#118
Dream finals is Innovation Soulkey finals to be honest.

That would be the best ending to the year, even better then MVP winning versus anyone.
Powerfoe
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada167 Posts
November 04 2013 06:19 GMT
#119
On November 04 2013 02:24 The_Templar wrote:
There's still 13 more of these in the next 120 hours.
I bet the next one will be about naniwa


TL writers are just gonna give up LOL. This is too much. Just watch.
NOW YOU SEE?
LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
November 04 2013 07:04 GMT
#120
Loving these articles. Nicely done!
Steins;Gate
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1422 Posts
November 04 2013 07:09 GMT
#121
On November 04 2013 15:19 Powerfoe wrote:
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On November 04 2013 02:24 The_Templar wrote:
There's still 13 more of these in the next 120 hours.
I bet the next one will be about naniwa


TL writers are just gonna give up LOL. This is too much. Just watch.


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GreenMash
Profile Joined August 2012
Norway1746 Posts
November 04 2013 09:12 GMT
#122
These writeups are very good! For some reason i can't wait for the Alive one
I love hellbats
VArsovskiSC
Profile Joined July 2010
Macedonia563 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-04 16:12:04
November 04 2013 16:09 GMT
#123
Man, Innovation's drop to #2 might have been his greatest blessing, easily the luckiest draw (except maybe Polt's draw I think) though it's a nearly-all stacked-up tourney.. There's tough opponent on ro8 though I guess.. (unless Maru fails to stop those weirdest busts/all-ins from MC.. )
Another world, another place, another universe, won the race.. :) ;) :P
holmesgenius
Profile Joined February 2013
Vietnam65 Posts
November 04 2013 16:13 GMT
#124
Hellbat-boy Innovation vs Cheeser Maru in RO8
Terran imbalance ---- Zerg wins ---- Protoss advances
never_Nal
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica676 Posts
November 04 2013 16:40 GMT
#125
This is funny Reminds me of some BW players that sucked at TvT or owned at that match up . I think Innovation will be top 4 at least ;o
Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible.
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
November 05 2013 22:24 GMT
#126
These articles are beautiful
Inzan1ty
Profile Joined September 2012
1163 Posts
November 06 2013 08:08 GMT
#127
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Metalcore1993
Profile Joined November 2012
New Zealand92 Posts
November 06 2013 08:17 GMT
#128
innovation could be a top contender but since there are so many terrans here i dont think he will make it. Even when he is playing great, he will be playing some of the best TvT players in the world. if he runs up against Taeja, Bomber or Maru or polt he is going to have one hell of a difficult match.
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