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Froadac
United States6733 Posts
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Incubus1993
Canada140 Posts
On October 26 2013 01:27 Zealously wrote: Then please share with us any information that you have that we don't. Why did Dear win and not another Protoss? Could you name five Protoss players that could reasonably win GSL? Not every Protoss is in Korea right now, so using Code S as your standard measurement for everything is a narrow view to use when talking about skill, your mindset (if I understand the elitist perspective correctly) is "If X player can't win or place high in Korea Code S then they aren't the best, whoever wins Code S or places highest for their race is the best or one of the best with their race" But anyways I could easily name a handful of Protoss players that most people would agree are overall better than Dear (by how much for each is debatable): - HerO - Parting - sOs - Rain - MC (I don't think so personally but I bet people would protest) - First - NaNiWa | ||
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DieterEilts
Germany283 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On October 26 2013 01:40 Incubus1993 wrote: Not every Protoss is in Korea right now, so using Code S as your standard measurement for everything is a narrow view to use when talking about skill, your mindset (if I understand the elitist perspective correctly) is "If X player can't win or place high in Korea Code S then they aren't the best, whoever wins Code S or places highest for their race is the best or one of the best with their race" But anyways I could easily name a handful of Protoss players that most people would agree are overall better than Dear (by how much for each is debatable): - HerO - Parting - sOs - Rain - MC (I don't think so personally but I bet people would protest) - First - NaNiWa No, most people wouldn't argue that the players you list are all better than Dear. I might stretch to one or two of them being on his level right now, but all of them? And on another note, "If X player can't win or place high in Korea Code S then they aren't the best, whoever wins Code S or places highest for their race is the best or one of the best with their race" is actually a valid statement to make. There is some bracket luck and momentum involved, but you better be damn sure that if you win Code S you're bound to be within the top 5 of your race, especially if no other players of your race is winning tournaments outside Korea, where the competition is usually less cutthroat than in Korea. | ||
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Yakikorosu
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On October 26 2013 01:27 Zealously wrote: Then please share with us any information that you have that we don't. Why did Dear win and not another Protoss? Could you name five Protoss players that could reasonably win GSL? I actually do agree with the general idea that winning GSL doesn't automatically make you the top player of that race (though top 5... harder to argue with that). For example I thought it was uncharacteristically silly for Artosis to immediately declare Soulkey to be the best Zerg in the world after he won WCS KR S1. At that point Soulkey had beaten sOs in a terribly sloppy semifinals where he didn't look at all impressive and then beat INnoVation mainly with all-ins. That said, I think it's tough to argue Dear isn't one of the top 5 Protoss in the world. Maybe if you've only seen him this GSL season and nowhere else, but having seem him in Proleague, GSTL, OSL... Top 5 Protoss in the world I think absolutely has to include Rain, HerO and Dear. The other two are harder. I personally lean towards Trap and sOs. If you don't think Dear is in the top 5, who is? PartinG? Not with his awful PvZ. Avenge? Not until he shows that he's not another YongHwa (great in team leagues, no success in individual league). MC? Not until he has some strong results against top Korean players. HuK?! I like HuK but please don't say HuK. Maybe Jim. I've been pretty impressed with Jim. People tend to lump him together with MacSed but Jim has looked much better than MacSed I think. MacSed seems more like a micro-based player whereas Jim is very all-around and creative. edit: Previous posts brought up First--First has to have more than one solid run to be top 5, especially when even in that run he never made it to a finals, let alone won them. It's not like he's new on the scene either, he's been around forever and that run plus IEM success towards the end of WoL is really all he has. NaNiwa is very good and I would say definitely top 10 (and definitely top 5 foreigner of any race), but he's too inconsistent to break the top 5 protoss for me. | ||
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webas
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havok55
United States276 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On October 26 2013 02:11 havok55 wrote: I've seen Dear's SPL games (for SC2, because BW doesnt really matter) and it was hardly impressive. He wasn't even the best P on his team, Classic was clearly the better P on STX. Dear won more games, though. Not that that necessarily disproves anything, but Dear was a pillar for STX throughout the season whereas Classic became a force toward the end. Don't discredit consistency | ||
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Popkiller
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lamprey1
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IAMPRO
Afghanistan118 Posts
edit - i can point them out for you if it helps | ||
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oRacLeGosu
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ArTiFaKs
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alphaproxy
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PureApeshit
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
On October 26 2013 01:40 Incubus1993 wrote: But anyways I could easily name a handful of Protoss players that most people would agree are overall better than Dear (by how much for each is debatable): - HerO - Parting - sOs - Rain - MC (I don't think so personally but I bet people would protest) - First - NaNiWa Dear is way more solid overall then anyone on that list for now. He nearly never gets in a disadvantage early game, then plays his solid gameplan with perfect execution. Rain is the only player there that can win a gsl, HerO, Parting and sOs are so inconsistent to state as better overall. Rest are a shame to even bring on the table... | ||
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