Woongjin's ZerO retires

On October 24 2013 18:21 mostwanted wrote:
I don't remember seeing him played. I saw the news via MMA commenting on it

On October 24 2013 18:29 darkness wrote:
The retirement saga continues. So why this time?

On October 24 2013 18:34 papaz wrote:
Too many retirements. We should instead see the rise of new players.

The game is only 3 years old.

Sad.

On October 24 2013 18:39 lystier wrote:
Oh....no....
i thought he would stay. He qualified for code A this season but still...T_T

On October 24 2013 18:25 AyaaLa wrote:
wasnt this the dude that was highly praised by MMA as someone that he thought Zero possed an extremly high amount of skill?

On October 24 2013 18:43 NovemberstOrm wrote:

eh he had no team it's understandable.

On October 24 2013 18:45 Jugan wrote:


"wasnt this the dude"

Pains me so much to see. Zero was legit in BW, carrying woongjin (often) by himself.

On October 24 2013 19:05 lichter wrote:
UGHHHH this is not good for my passion levels

WHY

On October 24 2013 18:29 darkness wrote:
The retirement saga continues. So why this time?

On October 24 2013 20:11 flashimba wrote:
Fun times Zero.

On October 24 2013 19:43 Hermanoid wrote:
Granted that I'm going ahead of the current turn of events with this, but;

Maybe SC2 will carry on in other regions, but it's definately already in the noose in Korea. And with Korea vanishing and becoming a sunken Starcraft-atlantis, none of the other regions are going to feel significant in terms of skill anyway. I already to an extent have this feeling with the Brood War vs. SC2, now it's going to be complete with the greatest portion of the SC2 proscene feeding the worms.

On October 24 2013 18:34 papaz wrote:
Too many retirements. We should instead see the rise of new players.

The game is only 3 years old.

Sad.

On October 24 2013 19:23 GTR wrote:
will forever be known to me as one of the biggest chokers during the end of the brood war era.
who could ever forget his 3-2 loss to jangbi in tving?
or his 3-0 demolition by flash in the abcmart msl?

On October 24 2013 20:34 Jintoss wrote:
All I see is ex-BW pros too used to being at the top and steadily payed for it, rather than the growth, change, and competition that a new game like SC2 brings.

He literally did not like being payed less, and found out the hard way that he's not worth as much in SC2 anymore.

IMO this is purely an ego thing, I dunno why everyone's kneejerk response is to jump on the #OMGSC2DED bandwagon.

On October 24 2013 20:34 Jintoss wrote:
All I see is ex-BW pros too used to being at the top and steadily payed for it, rather than the growth, change, and competition that a new game like SC2 brings.

He literally did not like being payed less, and found out the hard way that he's not worth as much in SC2 anymore.

IMO this is purely an ego thing, I dunno why everyone's kneejerk response is to jump on the #OMGSC2DED bandwagon.

On October 24 2013 18:29 sharkie wrote:
not surprising at all - somehow I dont think Zero ever had the work ethic of soulkey

he had been considered promising upcoming zerg for so long

On October 24 2013 20:34 Jintoss wrote:
All I see is ex-BW pros too used to being at the top and steadily payed for it, rather than the growth, change, and competition that a new game like SC2 brings.

He literally did not like being payed less, and found out the hard way that he's not worth as much in SC2 anymore.

IMO this is purely an ego thing, I dunno why everyone's kneejerk response is to jump on the #OMGSC2DED bandwagon.

On October 24 2013 18:26 Gamegene wrote:
JANGBI VS ZERO REMATCH GO.

On October 24 2013 18:39 TaShadan wrote:
SRT?

On October 24 2013 18:35 coin_au_carre wrote:
Ah a very nice news for Broodwar . Keep the retiring spirit !

On October 24 2013 21:06 Muffloe wrote:


So its better to play some bw now and then, but let the whole franchise die?

Your comment is idd a Malevolent Creation, ifuknowadamean

On October 24 2013 21:14 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

They're two different sports nothing is about to die. Players who want to play BW certainly don't owe it to you to play SC2. Let people pick the games they want with devotion and passion and SC2 will be a lot better for it.

On October 24 2013 21:36 Muffloe wrote:


Hi Nazgul. I find your reply very valid, although my comment might've been misinterpreted. I didn't mean that Zeros retirement in particular would kill the scene, I just meant that it probably would just hurt the franchise if everyone in general ditched the game blizzard/kespa chose, and went to half/spare time bw

Of course, I also wish Zero well, and hope that he will find satisfaction with whatever he will now do

On October 24 2013 21:52 flashimba wrote:


What does that tell you about the game?

Fake it till you make it is the philosophy behind SC2 esports. It worked well at the start, but now people are seeing the game for what it really is.

On October 24 2013 21:56 Plansix wrote:

A great game that every BW pro might not want to play. Theses player are not required to love SC2 and it is common for some to switch jobs after a salary cut.

On October 24 2013 21:36 Muffloe wrote:


Hi Nazgul. I find your reply very valid, although my comment might've been misinterpreted. I didn't mean that Zeros retirement in particular would kill the scene, I just meant that it probably would just hurt the franchise if everyone in general ditched the game blizzard/kespa chose, and went to half/spare time bw

Of course, I also wish Zero well, and hope that he will find satisfaction with whatever he will now do

On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:
And now you know why nobody picked him up

On October 24 2013 21:36 Muffloe wrote:


Hi Nazgul. I find your reply very valid, although my comment might've been misinterpreted. I didn't mean that Zeros retirement in particular would kill the scene, I just meant that it probably would just hurt the franchise if everyone in general ditched the game blizzard/kespa chose, and went to half/spare time bw

Of course, I also wish Zero well, and hope that he will find satisfaction with whatever he will now do

On October 24 2013 23:07 DinoToss wrote:
Browder didnt invent banelings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaGtjWL5mZo



He even dropped them from overlords lol.

I would love to see Zero stream BW.

On October 24 2013 21:12 a9arnn wrote:
Nobody will ever use queens as well as you, ZerO...

On October 24 2013 18:34 papaz wrote:
Too many retirements. We should instead see the rise of new players.

The game is only 3 years old.

Sad.

On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:
And now you know why nobody picked him up

On October 24 2013 23:36 GatsbyTheGreat wrote:


What does this sentence mean? Someone help me plz, is this trying to take a shot at Zero or just saying he wanted to retire, so he didn't join any team.

On October 24 2013 23:40 Daswollvieh wrote:


Whatever gets your drama-juices flowing more, obviously.

But it just means that teams knew he was retiring before the twitter announcement.

On October 24 2013 23:43 GatsbyTheGreat wrote:


Then I will choose to believe the drama one. The only place without drama is where nobody lives.

On October 24 2013 23:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:


You'd love SCReddit

On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:
And now you know why nobody picked him up

On October 24 2013 23:53 GatsbyTheGreat wrote:
Good, TB himself came, plz answer my question, or just elaborate more about that sentence of yours. Your posts are always so intriguing.

On October 24 2013 23:45 Incognoto wrote:
Isn't this big fucking news because Zero was a fucking good player in BW?

On October 25 2013 00:12 ne4aJIb wrote:
soon on afreeca! :D

On October 25 2013 00:06 Mattidute wrote:


He probably had some foreign teams that tried to offer him a contract, but no doubt ZerO declined them due to to low salary (as ZerO probably wanted a Woongjin Stars-like salary that he had) and the 2 KeSPA teams that still actively hire players in SC2 (SKT T1 and KT) already hired a few new players lately so they probably didn't want to spend a big salary either on him at which point ZerO probably just called it quits and retired.

On October 25 2013 00:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:


Why? You made the assumption that I was taking a shot at ZerO which is the dumbest thing I've heard all day, which is quite the achievement since I read Youtube comments.

On October 24 2013 23:06 coin_au_carre wrote:


Well, most ex-BW players retire because they find Broodwar more attractive compared to SC2.
I do not think that SC2 will die because of that
And if it was the case :
- SC2 will die like BW died because of SC2 ?
- You cannot force people who don't enjoy SC2 to stay. They might get better salary on SC2 but they have the guts to retire to live their passion. This explains a lot.
- This would maybe change Blizzard behaviour to make SC2 more interesting ?

Now hope that Zero will be back on Broodwar !

edit : I agree with #662

On October 25 2013 00:45 BisuDagger wrote:

I feel the opposite. Traveling the world to play SC2 means you actually have to practice something that you don't enjoy for 8+ hours each day. That's the definition of insanity. If you watched Bisu stream BW you would see how happy he is and how much he enjoys spending time with fans that know his history and appreciate his work. Signing with a foreign team doesn't equal an easy button. You still are required to work hard and put in great effort. JD is a great example of success at this while Puma, who enjoys SC2, is an example of how you can try hard to achieve and still not hit the bar. So now take someone who may not enjoy the game but has played something they love for a decade and now are being paid not to play it anymore. I would easily pay a monthly fee to play BW cause I love the game so much, now imagine see what they are willing to do for that game

On October 25 2013 00:40 Kergy wrote:
One less reason to care about SC2.

On October 25 2013 01:10 Prog455 wrote:

Yea - because ZerO was like super relevent to the scene.

I wonder how many of the people who claim that SC2 is dying is coming from a BW background, because as someone who didn't follow BW people such as Bisu, Jangbi, ZerO and so on might aswell never have exsisted. I understand that these players have a huge legacy from BW but to be fair, almost none of them added anything to the SC2 scene. Most casual viewers who only watches Premier League and Premier tournaments might not even have seen more than a few games these people. During the eight months Proleague ran Bisu played like 20 games or so.

Obviously Kespa players didn't make quite the impact on the scene that people expected them to do, and i can understand why people who used to be at the top of the food-chain wouldn't want to start all over again.

On October 24 2013 23:46 a176 wrote:
at first i was like FUCK

but then i was like SRT

On October 25 2013 01:27 BisuDagger wrote:


      I never say BW is dieing, but I am someone who came from BW and waited 2 years and watched SC2 consistently anticipating the BW switch of Kespa pros to SC2 because I love them as people themselves and wanted to be able to support them in SC2. I feel like it's just a strong vocal minority of people that ring loud when they says SC2 is dieing and it hurts. The same a**holes did it to BW when times were tough. But years later I'm having tons of fun with BW still. SC2 will do the same thing.

      Sooner or later you just have to drown them out. But it's not BW fans that are preaching this. Pure BW fans just don't care to waste their time here and hurt people. It's an infection within the SC2 community itself. The responsibility falls on the abundance of fans the still remain the SC2 world to start being louder than the vocal minority. I left SC2 forums for a while because the SC2 community stopped having pride and being supportive. Instead posters have allowed the vocal minority to walk over them.

      Instead of replying to the SC2 dieing preachers take an effort to discuss games in forums. Make jokes with each other. Start rivalry battles in LR thread. Make cheerfuls. For fuck sakes scream as loud as you can at every game about how amazing it was. Then the bug will come back. The one that made everyone want to be a part of Starcraft 2. The one that took the world by storm. Stop blaming people and get your shit together SC2 community.

On October 25 2013 00:30 GatsbyTheGreat wrote:


That sounds like a shot at Zero to me, so I assumed. If you didn't , just say the reason why other teams didn't pick him up very clearly since that's not very clear to me as an outsider. Or why you didn't pick him up.

That sentence of yours sounds to me like you definitely know more about this than us fans, so I assume you found out the salary ZerO requested, and then you are like fuck it, you are not worth it.

On October 24 2013 18:29 sharkie wrote:
not surprising at all - somehow I dont think Zero ever had the work ethic of soulkey

he had been considered promising upcoming zerg for so long

On October 25 2013 01:27 BisuDagger wrote:


      I never say BW is dieing, but I am someone who came from BW and waited 2 years and watched SC2 consistently anticipating the BW switch of Kespa pros to SC2 because I love them as people themselves and wanted to be able to support them in SC2. I feel like it's just a strong vocal minority of people that ring loud when they says SC2 is dieing and it hurts. The same a**holes did it to BW when times were tough. But years later I'm having tons of fun with BW still. SC2 will do the same thing.

      Sooner or later you just have to drown them out. But it's not BW fans that are preaching this. Pure BW fans just don't care to waste their time here and hurt people. It's an infection within the SC2 community itself. The responsibility falls on the abundance of fans the still remain the SC2 world to start being louder than the vocal minority. I left SC2 forums for a while because the SC2 community stopped having pride and being supportive. Instead posters have allowed the vocal minority to walk over them.

      Instead of replying to the SC2 dieing preachers take an effort to discuss games in forums. Make jokes with each other. Start rivalry battles in LR thread. Make cheerfuls. For fuck sakes scream as loud as you can at every game about how amazing it was. Then the bug will come back. The one that made everyone want to be a part of Starcraft 2. The one that took the world by storm. Stop blaming people and get your shit together SC2 community.

On October 24 2013 18:29 sharkie wrote:
not surprising at all - somehow I dont think Zero ever had the work ethic of soulkey

he had been considered promising upcoming zerg for so long

On October 25 2013 01:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:


This is why "the fans" shouldn't speculate on things they don't know, it leads them to these kind of crazy conclusions.

Nobody picked him up because we knew he was retiring. It's shocking that I have to spell that out considering my original post in the thread. This is also in reference to the previous thread on the subject where some people questioned why we picked up Mekia and not ZerO and also about how stupid teams were for not grabbing such a great player. The reality was, those teams are not stupid, they know far more than the fans do and they all knew ZerO was retiring. We did not want to discuss it because announcing a players retirement before he is ready to is super-BM and highly disrespectful.

On October 25 2013 01:59 Subversive wrote:

You have no idea. He was the ace for Woonjinn forever. He was before Soulkey. Lack of work-ethic. Educate yourself fool.

On October 25 2013 02:13 malady wrote:



good ol sc2 fans

get ready for every comment being "makes sense" "not surprising with his results"

On October 25 2013 01:27 BisuDagger wrote:


      I never say BW is dieing, but I am someone who came from BW and waited 2 years and watched SC2 consistently anticipating the BW switch of Kespa pros to SC2 because I love them as people themselves and wanted to be able to support them in SC2. I feel like it's just a strong vocal minority of people that ring loud when they says SC2 is dieing and it hurts. The same a**holes did it to BW when times were tough. But years later I'm having tons of fun with BW still. SC2 will do the same thing.

      Sooner or later you just have to drown them out. But it's not BW fans that are preaching this. Pure BW fans just don't care to waste their time here and hurt people. It's an infection within the SC2 community itself. The responsibility falls on the abundance of fans the still remain the SC2 world to start being louder than the vocal minority. I left SC2 forums for a while because the SC2 community stopped having pride and being supportive. Instead posters have allowed the vocal minority to walk over them.

      Instead of replying to the SC2 dieing preachers take an effort to discuss games in forums. Make jokes with each other. Start rivalry battles in LR thread. Make cheerfuls. For fuck sakes scream as loud as you can at every game about how amazing it was. Then the bug will come back. The one that made everyone want to be a part of Starcraft 2. The one that took the world by storm. Stop blaming people and get your shit together SC2 community.

On October 24 2013 18:34 papaz wrote:
Too many retirements. We should instead see the rise of new players.

The game is only 3 years old.

Sad.

On October 24 2013 19:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

Korea is similar to how it's always been except that KeSPA added 200 progamers, who had no say in the matter themselves. For most of them BW, not SC2, was the game of their life. These players that have had such long careers already in the game of their choice, were added to an ecosystem that already had problems supporting the ESF teams. It gets a little tiring to explain it over and over but none of this indicates that the Korean scene is able to support less than before. It always supported ~100 living in pro houses on little to no salary, not ~300 of which many well paid athletes.

On October 25 2013 04:19 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:

I have said this many times but some people just dont understand it ;(

On October 25 2013 04:19 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:

I have said this many times but some people just dont understand it ;(

On October 25 2013 04:43 sunless wrote:
Time to have a 1080p version of BW.

On October 25 2013 04:44 ChoDing wrote:
Aiite free, one of my favorite six dragons, time to join zero

On October 25 2013 01:27 BisuDagger wrote:


      I never say BW is dieing, but I am someone who came from BW and waited 2 years and watched SC2 consistently anticipating the BW switch of Kespa pros to SC2 because I love them as people themselves and wanted to be able to support them in SC2. I feel like it's just a strong vocal minority of people that ring loud when they says SC2 is dieing and it hurts. The same a**holes did it to BW when times were tough. But years later I'm having tons of fun with BW still. SC2 will do the same thing.

      Sooner or later you just have to drown them out. But it's not BW fans that are preaching this. Pure BW fans just don't care to waste their time here and hurt people. It's an infection within the SC2 community itself. The responsibility falls on the abundance of fans the still remain the SC2 world to start being louder than the vocal minority. I left SC2 forums for a while because the SC2 community stopped having pride and being supportive. Instead posters have allowed the vocal minority to walk over them.

      Instead of replying to the SC2 dieing preachers take an effort to discuss games in forums. Make jokes with each other. Start rivalry battles in LR thread. Make cheerfuls. For fuck sakes scream as loud as you can at every game about how amazing it was. Then the bug will come back. The one that made everyone want to be a part of Starcraft 2. The one that took the world by storm. Stop blaming people and get your shit together SC2 community.

On October 25 2013 04:52 lolfail9001 wrote:

By the way, where is poor guy? After all he played the damn games for 9 years :O

On October 25 2013 00:23 StarStruck wrote:
Considering Bravo was the StarS player picked up? Yeah, a lot of us saw this one coming. Stork nose to Sonic.]




UMMMM, his salary with Woongjin was modest at best. Not every KeSPA player was making a whole lot you know. >_< Whether it be low-balling or asking for a pay increase his position to negotiate was meh considering he played second fiddle to SK going back to BW. Really shitty position for him nonetheless. -__-

On October 25 2013 04:43 sunless wrote:
Time to have a 1080p version of BW.

On October 25 2013 02:15 TeflonArena wrote:
Really appreciate comments from TB and Nazgul - people that know their stuff. So tired of the negative vocal minority and clueless forum posters both making inane comments without knowing really the full context.

On October 25 2013 02:15 TeflonArena wrote:
Really appreciate comments from TB and Nazgul - people that know their stuff. So tired of the negative vocal minority and clueless forum posters both making inane comments without knowing really the full context.

On October 25 2013 04:54 ChoDing wrote:


Idk...preparing his retirement statement?
God of battle is coming back to bw!

On October 25 2013 01:27 BisuDagger wrote:


      I never say BW is dieing, but I am someone who came from BW and waited 2 years and watched SC2 consistently anticipating the BW switch of Kespa pros to SC2 because I love them as people themselves and wanted to be able to support them in SC2. I feel like it's just a strong vocal minority of people that ring loud when they says SC2 is dieing and it hurts. The same a**holes did it to BW when times were tough. But years later I'm having tons of fun with BW still. SC2 will do the same thing.

      Sooner or later you just have to drown them out. But it's not BW fans that are preaching this. Pure BW fans just don't care to waste their time here and hurt people. It's an infection within the SC2 community itself. The responsibility falls on the abundance of fans the still remain the SC2 world to start being louder than the vocal minority. I left SC2 forums for a while because the SC2 community stopped having pride and being supportive. Instead posters have allowed the vocal minority to walk over them.

      Instead of replying to the SC2 dieing preachers take an effort to discuss games in forums. Make jokes with each other. Start rivalry battles in LR thread. Make cheerfuls. For fuck sakes scream as loud as you can at every game about how amazing it was. Then the bug will come back. The one that made everyone want to be a part of Starcraft 2. The one that took the world by storm. Stop blaming people and get your shit together SC2 community.

On October 25 2013 01:27 BisuDagger wrote:


      I never say BW is dieing, but I am someone who came from BW and waited 2 years and watched SC2 consistently anticipating the BW switch of Kespa pros to SC2 because I love them as people themselves and wanted to be able to support them in SC2. I feel like it's just a strong vocal minority of people that ring loud when they says SC2 is dieing and it hurts. The same a**holes did it to BW when times were tough. But years later I'm having tons of fun with BW still. SC2 will do the same thing.

      Sooner or later you just have to drown them out. But it's not BW fans that are preaching this. Pure BW fans just don't care to waste their time here and hurt people. It's an infection within the SC2 community itself. The responsibility falls on the abundance of fans the still remain the SC2 world to start being louder than the vocal minority. I left SC2 forums for a while because the SC2 community stopped having pride and being supportive. Instead posters have allowed the vocal minority to walk over them.

      Instead of replying to the SC2 dieing preachers take an effort to discuss games in forums. Make jokes with each other. Start rivalry battles in LR thread. Make cheerfuls. For fuck sakes scream as loud as you can at every game about how amazing it was. Then the bug will come back. The one that made everyone want to be a part of Starcraft 2. The one that took the world by storm. Stop blaming people and get your shit together SC2 community.

On October 25 2013 05:28 Taipoka wrote:

Interesting.
If you think about it, only Zero know about his retirement in full context.
So, nobody, even Nazgul or TB should post on this topic? Nobody, not 1 post after OP?
Or maybe thats what a forum is for? To discuss and learn?
Not to : "Hey only our heroes could post because they know everything".
Because they didn´t. Nobody knows. Only the subject.

On October 25 2013 00:23 StarStruck wrote:
Considering Bravo was the StarS player picked up? Yeah, a lot of us saw this one coming. Stork nose to Sonic.]




UMMMM, his salary with Woongjin was modest at best. Not every KeSPA player was making a whole lot you know. >_< Whether it be low-balling or asking for a pay increase his position to negotiate was meh considering he played second fiddle to SK going back to BW. Really shitty position for him nonetheless. -__-

On October 25 2013 10:24 krogdog101 wrote:
Can legacy of the void come out faster please? I see a trend here that could be stopped by just hurrying up the next expansion.

On October 25 2013 10:50 Plansix wrote:

Doubtful, BW players are going to retire regardless. It's better that people stop acting like it is the end of the world.

On October 25 2013 11:24 GinDo wrote:


Yea, if I was in my early 20s and not seeing a fruitful future in gaming. I would probably retire before it was to late.

On October 25 2013 07:06 BigFan wrote:

sorry, that's saviour -> God of the battlefield(final edit*)

*unless I'm mistaken lol

On October 25 2013 09:43 Wonders wrote:


Zero was a top zerg player before I even heard of Soulkey. His drone micro, storm dodging, purple glasses, and adorable smile made him my favourite player.

Time to finally change my team icon

On October 25 2013 12:05 ChoDing wrote:


sorry to break your heart hun, but 전투의 신, aka god of the battlefield, korean caster referred to free

On October 25 2013 13:44 DMXD wrote:
I really though zero gonna be awesome at sc2 to be honest. He is not a generic macro zerg with great mechanical and he is one of the more creative zergs around in bw.

On October 25 2013 12:12 StarStruck wrote:



Long, long time ago man. Well aware when ZerO was the go-to, but once SoulKey emerged he never really looked back. Still those guys weren't making a whole lot back then. It sucks when you don't have a lot of titles to show for your work but he did do fairly well. Just didn't really get paid for his efforts and Boooo on changing logos. I never changed mine from MBC for all these years even when Bisu and July got fucking traded. Heck, I'm even posting about Bisu being on the Telecom team for Sonic PL, but he was with SK last. Still BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Ha ha ha. I guess they have to make it fair. D:

On October 25 2013 13:52 BigFan wrote:

free is the god of the battlefield? I can't understand Korean^ lol. I went by the TL final edit thus the naming.