Eight elite StarCraft II programers hit NYC in November to compete for $50,000 in prizes.
Thanksgiving will come a bit early this year for StarCraft eSports fans this year. That’s because a brand new competition, Red Bull Battle Grounds New York, is coming to the historic Hammerstein Ballroom in Manhattan November 23-24.
Eight progamers will converge in the Big Apple to vie for $50,000 in prizes and the title of champion. Four of the contenders have already been named, earned by their performance at past Red Bull eSports events. The top two players from the inaugural Red Bull Battlegrounds tournament in 2012 – Jang Min ‘MC’ Chul and reigning WCS Season 2 champion Ji Sung ‘Bomber’ Choi – have already earned their spot in the lineup. They will be joined by Myeong Hwan ‘Golden’ Jo, the winner of this year’s Red Bull Training Grounds Santa Monica and Jens ‘Snute’ Aasgaard, winner of Red Bull Training Grounds Orlando.
Red Bull eSports ringmaster, Sean ‘Day[9]’ Plott, will reprise his role as Master of Ceremonies, caster and commentator extraordinaire, joined by other prominent names from the professional gaming scene. Red Bull Battle Grounds will also unfold in front of a live audience at the Hammerstein Ballroom – as well as a livestream audience, tuning in from around the globe.
Stay tuned for news of upcoming qualifiers to select the final four competitors, details of the schedule and format for the weekend and how to attend the Red Bull Battle Grounds New York StarCraft II eSports showdown. The two-day tournament will also be broadcast live at Redbull.com/eSports, which uses the Twitch TV player for all LIVE eSports coverage.
For the latest news follow Red Bull eSports on Twitter.
Something to note, this is the same weekend as MLG Columbus, and may be why MLG decided not to host a sc2 event at Columbus(Although no one can say for sure whether that is the sole reason).
I expected more than 8 players at the tournament, not so sure about 50k to 8 players but we'll see how it works out. It's good for our WCS Champion at least.
On August 28 2013 02:07 Eggi wrote: I mean 4 players qualify, but Im sure it will be world qualifiers since there are koreans already in the group.
Hopefully region qualifiers, with 2x from NA 1x EU 1x KR.
We will see. If it is online, then anyone can qualify, but without travel costs being covered, it may be a haul for any Korean player. Even with the prize money, NYC cost a lot to travel to.
On August 28 2013 02:09 Boucot wrote: So MLG had to give up a 128-player tournament for a 8-player one ? :/
I love what Red Bull is doing for SC2 but the number of players is too small for such a prize pool.
They didn't have to, they chose too. MLG decided not to run SC2 to avoid splitting the viewers and players. Conflicting events is a bad idea.
And we don't know what size the qualifiers might be. It could be 256 players for all we know.
On August 28 2013 02:09 Boucot wrote: So MLG had to give up a 128-player tournament for a 8-player one ? :/
I love what Red Bull is doing for SC2 but the number of players is too small for such a prize pool.
I feel the same way....would've loved even for the location being NYC if Redbull would've attempted some form of an open bracket, online qualifiers just aren't the same as being there at the event competing.
On August 28 2013 02:09 Boucot wrote: So MLG had to give up a 128-player tournament for a 8-player one ? :/
I love what Red Bull is doing for SC2 but the number of players is too small for such a prize pool.
I feel the same way....would've loved even for the location being NYC if Redbull would've attempted some form of an open bracket, online qualifiers just aren't the same as being there at the event competing.
Seeing as this is going to be in a ballroom, it most probably wasn't viable to have a lot of people in an open-bracket style tournament. Ticket costs will probably be high to begin with, and having to rent out more space/ internet service/ manpower in NYC sounds unreasonably expensive. That being said, Red Bull has a lot of money but I don't think the purpose of this is to be a charity event for esports
On August 28 2013 02:09 Boucot wrote: So MLG had to give up a 128-player tournament for a 8-player one ? :/
I love what Red Bull is doing for SC2 but the number of players is too small for such a prize pool.
Red Bull can do w/e they want. If you want to complain, save it for tournaments that don't seem to have a high enough prize pool. I like to see big prize pools: it lets me know what tournaments aren't getting WCS points. WCS related tournaments are nothing more than price fixing. Hopefully there will be more big sponsors and they won't get sucked into price fixing. It would be amazing if redbull hosted a tournament every time MLG was planning on doing something...
For prize pool comparison, in 2012 it was 41k total for 16 players. If they were covering travel costs they end up spending less money this way but It's pretty damn amazing for the players that get invited.
I hope for the love of spaghetti monster that there is either some more online qualifiers or some open bracket component. 8 player tournament just feels inadequate
Pls for the love of god 8 player invites are not growing our scene. You are just throwing more content at a market with 3 regions of wcs weekly content. At least have like a 64 player tournament so unknowns actually have hope of qualifying and getting exposure, throwing 50k at 8 players who already make a decent living out of this won't help anyone except for redbull...
Holding a tournament in New York with likely zero Americans? Yeah, that'll definitely help support the NA scene. Should be a fun event, but in no way does anything close to MLG's old open bracket. Disappointed.
On August 28 2013 02:09 Boucot wrote: So MLG had to give up a 128-player tournament for a 8-player one ? :/
I love what Red Bull is doing for SC2 but the number of players is too small for such a prize pool.
Yeah... I mean, you cannot knock Red Bull for doing a tournament. People should not say anything of the sort. However, the amount of impact a single tournament of this caliber has for the development of, not just the american scene, but towards international flourishing as a whole is quite low. It's incredibly unfortunate, but you cannot expect Red Bull to host and pick up everything for NA. It'd be nice, but it's just a fact of the matter that with less opportunity and infrastructure in NA it's going to get a lot harder for the players to make ends meet, and teams/viewers to show interest in the game as a whole.
I look forward to watching bomber win more money tho. gogogo ST :D
OMG Holding a tournament in NYC, its about time!! We haven't seen one of these in a long time. Yeah theres IEM New York and MLG. But having more eSports events in NYC is a great thing.
Wish it was more than 8 players. It doesn't matter if they have a 1000 man online qualifier, the end result is still only 8 players at the tournament in person. There's no need to throw 50k at an 8 man tourney. Throwing 50k at a 16 man tourney would be better. Also congrats to bomber on another win!
Hmmm 8 players for 50k means a lot of money for some players.In a way I like this lineup it reminds me of the ppv streams mlg used to do when with 8 invited players.The matches betwen drg and marine king were awsome back then.I will definetly watch the event.The other players that really need inviting are Naniwa,Scarllet and definately Jaedong.Maybe even innovation now that he is with acer or a well know kespa player like maru,rain.
Also please stop with the redbull being the reason mlg dropped sc2.Mlg dropped sc2 because it was in conflict with blizzard and also because they picked up dota2,Sc2 will not be neither at fullsail nor at the next mlg in Orlando or god knows where it will be.There were enough threads about this.Redbull hosting this tournament had nothing to do with mlg decision.Although it seems a bit stupid that 2 major tournaments could not find a free date all year round so that they do not collide.
@Caniklehead
if jaedong or scarlett get invited they might have figured him out by now.Scarllet lost to him because of a random error and jd usually figures out his oponents in the long run.
Finally, an SC2 tournament in NYC. If any of the pros need a place to stay to save money - the door to my apartment is open But I guess they usually travel with their entourage, don't they...
Why would a 50,000 dollar prize pool not be good to give to 8 players? Have golf, basketball, football, snowboarding, etc. declined due to the enormous prize pools they give to their players? No. If anything they have become more successful because the tournaments are considered much more of a big deal if they are rewarding large amounts of cash.
I love these tournaments. I, for one, am very excited to see what happens.
On August 28 2013 02:37 theking1 wrote: Hmmm 8 players for 50k means a lot of money for some players.In a way I like this lineup it reminds me of the ppv streams mlg used to do when with 8 invited players.The matches betwen drg and marine king were awsome back then.I will definetly watch the event.The other players that really need inviting are Naniwa,Scarllet and definately Jaedong.Maybe even innovation now that he is with acer or a well know kespa player like maru,rain.
Also please stop with the redbull being the reason mlg dropped sc2.Mlg dropped sc2 because it was in conflict with blizzard and also because they picked up dota2,Sc2 will not be neither at fullsail nor at the next mlg in Orlando or god knows where it will be.There were enough threads about this.Redbull hosting this tournament had nothing to do with mlg decision.Although it seems a bit stupid that 2 major tournaments could not find a free date all year round so that they do not collide.
This event is the reasons MLG did not run SC2 that weekend. MLG Adam said it directly several times, including to me. It is fact. They schedule these venues in advance and you can’t just “switch the dates”. Don't tell people to stop saying things that are true.
Appreciate Red Bull stepping up to the plate, but an 8 player tournament sharing a $50,000 prize pool just feels wrong. I wish it could be extended to at least 16 or even 32, but I suppose Red Bull has something in mind to last the whole weekend.
On August 28 2013 02:39 Nuclease wrote: Why would a 50,000 dollar prize pool not be good to give to 8 players? Have golf, basketball, football, snowboarding, etc. declined due to the enormous prize pools they give to their players? No. If anything they have become more successful because the tournaments are considered much more of a big deal if they are rewarding large amounts of cash.
I love these tournaments. I, for one, am very excited to see what happens.
It's great for the 8 players, but there are a lot more than 8 Starcraft 2 pro(not semi-pro, but full time pro) players that need to earn a living. Of course we can't complain about additional tournaments and I'm sure the tournament itself will be fun to watch and great for the players who go to it but I can't help but feel it could have been done better.
They could have done 16 players and a 30k prize pool and spent about the same amount of money(assuming they are paying for flights).
I am personally very excited for this tournament. Small tournaments can be really good and looking at the lineup thus far, the games have the potential to be awesome. People crying about Red Bull not supporting the NA scene can cry, if they want, but that is just bullshit (not even mentioning that there's no law to state that all NA tournaments must cater for the scene lol).
On August 28 2013 02:39 Nuclease wrote: Why would a 50,000 dollar prize pool not be good to give to 8 players? Have golf, basketball, football, snowboarding, etc. declined due to the enormous prize pools they give to their players? No. If anything they have become more successful because the tournaments are considered much more of a big deal if they are rewarding large amounts of cash.
I love these tournaments. I, for one, am very excited to see what happens.
They could have done 16 players and a 30k prize pool and spent about the same amount of money(assuming they are paying for flights).
Take this guy's word for it everybody.
And lol @ the notion redbull should care about how many SC2 pros aren't getting paid.
On August 28 2013 02:39 Nuclease wrote: Why would a 50,000 dollar prize pool not be good to give to 8 players? Have golf, basketball, football, snowboarding, etc. declined due to the enormous prize pools they give to their players? No. If anything they have become more successful because the tournaments are considered much more of a big deal if they are rewarding large amounts of cash.
I love these tournaments. I, for one, am very excited to see what happens.
It's great for the 8 players, but there are a lot more than 8 Starcraft 2 pro(not semi-pro, but full time pro) players that need to earn a living. Of course we can't complain about additional tournaments and I'm sure the tournament itself will be fun to watch and great for the players who go to it but I can't help but feel it could have been done better.
They could have done 16 players and a 30k prize pool and spent about the same amount of money(assuming they are paying for flights).
It may be a venue thing and they don't have the space accommodate more players or a second stream to worth through the matches in a reasonable time frame.
On August 28 2013 02:39 Nuclease wrote: Why would a 50,000 dollar prize pool not be good to give to 8 players? Have golf, basketball, football, snowboarding, etc. declined due to the enormous prize pools they give to their players? No. If anything they have become more successful because the tournaments are considered much more of a big deal if they are rewarding large amounts of cash.
I love these tournaments. I, for one, am very excited to see what happens.
They could have done 16 players and a 30k prize pool and spent about the same amount of money(assuming they are paying for flights).
Take this guy's word for it everybody.
And lol @ the notion redbull should care about how many SC2 pros aren't getting paid.
Do you think it costs $20,000 for 8 players' travel and accommodation for one weekend?
Sure, Red Bull doesn't have to care about sc2 pros not being paid but more players in their tournament wouldn't be a bad thing for their viewer numbers.
On August 28 2013 02:39 Nuclease wrote: Why would a 50,000 dollar prize pool not be good to give to 8 players? Have golf, basketball, football, snowboarding, etc. declined due to the enormous prize pools they give to their players? No. If anything they have become more successful because the tournaments are considered much more of a big deal if they are rewarding large amounts of cash.
I love these tournaments. I, for one, am very excited to see what happens.
It's great for the 8 players, but there are a lot more than 8 Starcraft 2 pro(not semi-pro, but full time pro) players that need to earn a living. Of course we can't complain about additional tournaments and I'm sure the tournament itself will be fun to watch and great for the players who go to it but I can't help but feel it could have been done better.
They could have done 16 players and a 30k prize pool and spent about the same amount of money(assuming they are paying for flights).
It may be a venue thing and they don't have the space accommodate more players or a second stream to worth through the matches in a reasonable time frame.
That's possible, but I saw a picture of the venue on Reddit and it looked quite big. I think they could make 16 players work over 2 days if they choose the right format. 4 groups round robin into single elim playoffs could probably be done in 2 days.
I'm not sure if redbull pays for travel. I think last year they didn't and I remember day9 paid for last shadow to attend out of his own pocket.
On August 28 2013 02:39 Nuclease wrote: Why would a 50,000 dollar prize pool not be good to give to 8 players? Have golf, basketball, football, snowboarding, etc. declined due to the enormous prize pools they give to their players? No. If anything they have become more successful because the tournaments are considered much more of a big deal if they are rewarding large amounts of cash.
I love these tournaments. I, for one, am very excited to see what happens.
You can't compare sc2 prize money to sports like tennis and golf. In those sports even players far from being stars can make a decent living just from competing in tournaments. People complain about koreans taking all the prize money because the prize money is small and limited in sc 2.
If there was enough prize money to go around where foreigners wouldn't have to finish in the top 5 of tourneys to make money and could do just fine financially being in the top 32, there would be less of an outcry over koreans winning everything.
a someone from montreal I AM SO FUCKING HAPPY i'll be able to attend 2 events in two month(will be my 1st and 2nd ever too)! Thank you red bull BRB gotta go buy 4321895i1437586 4 packs of em!
On August 28 2013 02:39 Nuclease wrote: Why would a 50,000 dollar prize pool not be good to give to 8 players? Have golf, basketball, football, snowboarding, etc. declined due to the enormous prize pools they give to their players? No. If anything they have become more successful because the tournaments are considered much more of a big deal if they are rewarding large amounts of cash.
I love these tournaments. I, for one, am very excited to see what happens.
They could have done 16 players and a 30k prize pool and spent about the same amount of money(assuming they are paying for flights).
Take this guy's word for it everybody.
And lol @ the notion redbull should care about how many SC2 pros aren't getting paid.
Do you think it costs $20,000 for 8 players' travel and accommodation for one weekend?
Sure, Red Bull doesn't have to care about sc2 pros not being paid but more players in their tournament wouldn't be a bad thing for their viewer numbers.
On August 28 2013 02:39 Nuclease wrote: Why would a 50,000 dollar prize pool not be good to give to 8 players? Have golf, basketball, football, snowboarding, etc. declined due to the enormous prize pools they give to their players? No. If anything they have become more successful because the tournaments are considered much more of a big deal if they are rewarding large amounts of cash.
I love these tournaments. I, for one, am very excited to see what happens.
It's great for the 8 players, but there are a lot more than 8 Starcraft 2 pro(not semi-pro, but full time pro) players that need to earn a living. Of course we can't complain about additional tournaments and I'm sure the tournament itself will be fun to watch and great for the players who go to it but I can't help but feel it could have been done better.
They could have done 16 players and a 30k prize pool and spent about the same amount of money(assuming they are paying for flights).
It may be a venue thing and they don't have the space accommodate more players or a second stream to worth through the matches in a reasonable time frame.
That's possible, but I saw a picture of the venue on Reddit and it looked quite big. I think they could make 16 players work over 2 days if they choose the right format. 4 groups round robin into single elim playoffs could probably be done in 2 days.
Depends on how much equipment they use. I think it will get real tight if they get a camera jib in there or any other professional production equipment.
That's possible, but I saw a picture of the venue on Reddit and it looked quite big. I think they could make 16 players work over 2 days if they choose the right format. 4 groups round robin into single elim playoffs could probably be done in 2 days.[/QUOTE] Depends on how much equipment they use. I think it will get real tight if they get a camera jib in there or any other professional production equipment. [/QUOTE]
In that type of venue i would more bet on a rail cam attached to the two sides, leaves space on the floor and still give sick camera shots
No way.. this could have been my first ever attendance of a huge eSports event since I live in the five boroughs but instead I am going to Las Vegas to take my girlfriend to a Michael Buble concert.
On August 28 2013 02:37 theking1 wrote: Hmmm 8 players for 50k means a lot of money for some players.In a way I like this lineup it reminds me of the ppv streams mlg used to do when with 8 invited players.The matches betwen drg and marine king were awsome back then.I will definetly watch the event.The other players that really need inviting are Naniwa,Scarllet and definately Jaedong.Maybe even innovation now that he is with acer or a well know kespa player like maru,rain.
Also please stop with the redbull being the reason mlg dropped sc2.Mlg dropped sc2 because it was in conflict with blizzard and also because they picked up dota2,Sc2 will not be neither at fullsail nor at the next mlg in Orlando or god knows where it will be.There were enough threads about this.Redbull hosting this tournament had nothing to do with mlg decision.Although it seems a bit stupid that 2 major tournaments could not find a free date all year round so that they do not collide.
This event is the reasons MLG did not run SC2 that weekend. MLG Adam said it directly several times, including to me. It is fact. They schedule these venues in advance and you can’t just “switch the dates”. Don't tell people to stop saying things that are true.
No he didn't tell you anything.You have to provide a source for that.The only thing adam said on reddit was that somethings happened behind the scenes we do not know about.And mlg didn't drop sc2 just for fullsail where it collided with redbull but also for the next big event in Columbus where there is no redbull conflict. And mlg adam didnt tell you personally anything.You are either lying or simply psychotic.Provide evidence that mlg adam said anything directly to you in the regards of sc2 being dropped because of a redbull conflict conflict and I willl personally do a video singing Lady Gaga-Alejandro and post it on youtube and tl.
On August 28 2013 02:37 theking1 wrote: Hmmm 8 players for 50k means a lot of money for some players.In a way I like this lineup it reminds me of the ppv streams mlg used to do when with 8 invited players.The matches betwen drg and marine king were awsome back then.I will definetly watch the event.The other players that really need inviting are Naniwa,Scarllet and definately Jaedong.Maybe even innovation now that he is with acer or a well know kespa player like maru,rain.
Also please stop with the redbull being the reason mlg dropped sc2.Mlg dropped sc2 because it was in conflict with blizzard and also because they picked up dota2,Sc2 will not be neither at fullsail nor at the next mlg in Orlando or god knows where it will be.There were enough threads about this.Redbull hosting this tournament had nothing to do with mlg decision.Although it seems a bit stupid that 2 major tournaments could not find a free date all year round so that they do not collide.
This event is the reasons MLG did not run SC2 that weekend. MLG Adam said it directly several times, including to me. It is fact. They schedule these venues in advance and you can’t just “switch the dates”. Don't tell people to stop saying things that are true.
No he didn't tell you anything.You have to provide a source for that.The only thing adam said on reddit was that somethings happened behind the scenes we do not know about.And mlg didn't drop sc2 just for fullsail where it collided with redbull but also for the next big event in Columbus where there is no redbull conflict. And mlg adam didnt tell you personally anything.You are either lying or simply psychotic.Provide evidence that mlg adam said anything directly to you in the regards of sc2 being dropped because of a redbull conflict conflict and I willl personally do a video singing Lady Gaga-Alejandro and post it on youtube and tl.
On August 28 2013 02:37 theking1 wrote: Hmmm 8 players for 50k means a lot of money for some players.In a way I like this lineup it reminds me of the ppv streams mlg used to do when with 8 invited players.The matches betwen drg and marine king were awsome back then.I will definetly watch the event.The other players that really need inviting are Naniwa,Scarllet and definately Jaedong.Maybe even innovation now that he is with acer or a well know kespa player like maru,rain.
Also please stop with the redbull being the reason mlg dropped sc2.Mlg dropped sc2 because it was in conflict with blizzard and also because they picked up dota2,Sc2 will not be neither at fullsail nor at the next mlg in Orlando or god knows where it will be.There were enough threads about this.Redbull hosting this tournament had nothing to do with mlg decision.Although it seems a bit stupid that 2 major tournaments could not find a free date all year round so that they do not collide.
This event is the reasons MLG did not run SC2 that weekend. MLG Adam said it directly several times, including to me. It is fact. They schedule these venues in advance and you can’t just “switch the dates”. Don't tell people to stop saying things that are true.
No he didn't tell you anything.You have to provide a source for that.The only thing adam said on reddit was that somethings happened behind the scenes we do not know about.And mlg didn't drop sc2 just for fullsail where it collided with redbull but also for the next big event in Columbus where there is no redbull conflict. And mlg adam didnt tell you personally anything.You are either lying or simply psychotic.Provide evidence that mlg adam said anything directly to you in the regards of sc2 being dropped because of a redbull conflict conflict and I willl personally do a video singing Lady Gaga-Alejandro and post it on youtube and tl.
People should be more careful about what they say on Team Liquid, especially after the Zealously magic. There is a ton of promises that have to be fulfilled.
On August 28 2013 02:37 theking1 wrote: Hmmm 8 players for 50k means a lot of money for some players.In a way I like this lineup it reminds me of the ppv streams mlg used to do when with 8 invited players.The matches betwen drg and marine king were awsome back then.I will definetly watch the event.The other players that really need inviting are Naniwa,Scarllet and definately Jaedong.Maybe even innovation now that he is with acer or a well know kespa player like maru,rain.
Also please stop with the redbull being the reason mlg dropped sc2.Mlg dropped sc2 because it was in conflict with blizzard and also because they picked up dota2,Sc2 will not be neither at fullsail nor at the next mlg in Orlando or god knows where it will be.There were enough threads about this.Redbull hosting this tournament had nothing to do with mlg decision.Although it seems a bit stupid that 2 major tournaments could not find a free date all year round so that they do not collide.
This event is the reasons MLG did not run SC2 that weekend. MLG Adam said it directly several times, including to me. It is fact. They schedule these venues in advance and you can’t just “switch the dates”. Don't tell people to stop saying things that are true.
No he didn't tell you anything.You have to provide a source for that.The only thing adam said on reddit was that somethings happened behind the scenes we do not know about.And mlg didn't drop sc2 just for fullsail where it collided with redbull but also for the next big event in Columbus where there is no redbull conflict. And mlg adam didnt tell you personally anything.You are either lying or simply psychotic.Provide evidence that mlg adam said anything directly to you in the regards of sc2 being dropped because of a redbull conflict conflict and I willl personally do a video singing Lady Gaga-Alejandro and post it on youtube and tl.
Yes, that is kind of my reaction as well, don't come out of the gate acting like you "know" this information when it is much less clear than you make out [theking1]
I wonder if they are doing tiered seating for the venue, and where are they going to sell the tickets. Ticketmaster is going to charge a lot for their "delivery fees", unless Red Bull decides to do the direct selling route.
Thanksgiving will come a bit early this year for StarCraft eSports fans this year. That’s because a brand new competition, Red Bull Battle Grounds New York, is coming to the historic Hammerstein Ballroom in Manhattan November 23-24.
Eight progamers will converge in the Big Apple to vie for $50,000 in prizes and the title of champion. Four of the contenders have already been named, earned by their performance at past Red Bull eSports events. The top two players from the inaugural Red Bull Battlegrounds tournament in 2012 – Jang Min ‘MC’ Chul and reigning WCS Season 2 champion Ji Sung ‘Bomber’ Choi – have already earned their spot in the lineup. They will be joined by Myeong Hwan ‘Golden’ Jo, the winner of this year’s Red Bull Training Grounds Santa Monica and Jens ‘Snute’ Aasgaard, winner of Red Bull Training Grounds Orlando.
Red Bull eSports ringmaster, Sean ‘Day[9]’ Plott, will reprise his role as Master of Ceremonies, caster and commentator extraordinaire, joined by other prominent names from the professional gaming scene. Red Bull Battle Grounds will also unfold in front of a live audience at the Hammerstein Ballroom – as well as a livestream audience, tuning in from around the globe.
Stay tuned for news of upcoming qualifiers to select the final four competitors, details of the schedule and format for the weekend and how to attend the Red Bull Battle Grounds New York StarCraft II eSports showdown. The two-day tournament will also be broadcast live at Redbull.com/eSports, which uses the Twitch TV player for all LIVE eSports coverage.
For the latest news follow Red Bull eSports on Twitter.
Something to note, this is the same weekend as MLG Columbus, and may be why MLG decided not to host a sc2 event at Columbus(Although no one can say for sure whether that is the sole reason).
I expected more than 8 players at the tournament, not so sure about 50k to 8 players but we'll see how it works out. It's good for our WCS Champion at least.
So it's like only eight players again and this is why MLG won't be having an event? Kind of sucks when it's just another one of their Battle Grounds with a solid prize pool. I was hoping to see more players involved. -_-;;
On August 28 2013 02:37 theking1 wrote: Hmmm 8 players for 50k means a lot of money for some players.In a way I like this lineup it reminds me of the ppv streams mlg used to do when with 8 invited players.The matches betwen drg and marine king were awsome back then.I will definetly watch the event.The other players that really need inviting are Naniwa,Scarllet and definately Jaedong.Maybe even innovation now that he is with acer or a well know kespa player like maru,rain.
Also please stop with the redbull being the reason mlg dropped sc2.Mlg dropped sc2 because it was in conflict with blizzard and also because they picked up dota2,Sc2 will not be neither at fullsail nor at the next mlg in Orlando or god knows where it will be.There were enough threads about this.Redbull hosting this tournament had nothing to do with mlg decision.Although it seems a bit stupid that 2 major tournaments could not find a free date all year round so that they do not collide.
This event is the reasons MLG did not run SC2 that weekend. MLG Adam said it directly several times, including to me. It is fact. They schedule these venues in advance and you can’t just “switch the dates”. Don't tell people to stop saying things that are true.
No he didn't tell you anything.You have to provide a source for that.The only thing adam said on reddit was that somethings happened behind the scenes we do not know about.And mlg didn't drop sc2 just for fullsail where it collided with redbull but also for the next big event in Columbus where there is no redbull conflict. And mlg adam didnt tell you personally anything.You are either lying or simply psychotic.Provide evidence that mlg adam said anything directly to you in the regards of sc2 being dropped because of a redbull conflict conflict and I willl personally do a video singing Lady Gaga-Alejandro and post it on youtube and tl.
All right, I guess I could post my inbox from TL in the thread when I get back home, or my direct messages box from twitter if its so important to you. It’s a little weird. The simple fact of the matter is that you are just refusing to believe that MLG and Redbull had conflicting events and you want there to be other reasons why MLG is not carrying SC2 for one event. There is no top secret plan to stop carrying SC2, its just that there is another event that weekend. You might be bummed out if you have to do that youtube cover though.
On August 28 2013 02:37 theking1 wrote: Hmmm 8 players for 50k means a lot of money for some players.In a way I like this lineup it reminds me of the ppv streams mlg used to do when with 8 invited players.The matches betwen drg and marine king were awsome back then.I will definetly watch the event.The other players that really need inviting are Naniwa,Scarllet and definately Jaedong.Maybe even innovation now that he is with acer or a well know kespa player like maru,rain.
Also please stop with the redbull being the reason mlg dropped sc2.Mlg dropped sc2 because it was in conflict with blizzard and also because they picked up dota2,Sc2 will not be neither at fullsail nor at the next mlg in Orlando or god knows where it will be.There were enough threads about this.Redbull hosting this tournament had nothing to do with mlg decision.Although it seems a bit stupid that 2 major tournaments could not find a free date all year round so that they do not collide.
This event is the reasons MLG did not run SC2 that weekend. MLG Adam said it directly several times, including to me. It is fact. They schedule these venues in advance and you can’t just “switch the dates”. Don't tell people to stop saying things that are true.
No he didn't tell you anything.You have to provide a source for that.The only thing adam said on reddit was that somethings happened behind the scenes we do not know about.And mlg didn't drop sc2 just for fullsail where it collided with redbull but also for the next big event in Columbus where there is no redbull conflict. And mlg adam didnt tell you personally anything.You are either lying or simply psychotic.Provide evidence that mlg adam said anything directly to you in the regards of sc2 being dropped because of a redbull conflict conflict and I willl personally do a video singing Lady Gaga-Alejandro and post it on youtube and tl.
All right, I guess I could post my inbox from TL in the thread when I get back home, or my direct messages box from twitter if its so important to you. It’s a little weird. The simple fact of the matter is that you are just refusing to believe that MLG and Redbull had conflicting events and you want there to be other reasons why MLG is not carrying SC2 for one event. There is no top secret plan to stop carrying SC2, its just that there is another event that weekend. You might be bummed out if you have to do that youtube cover though.
well you seem to be posting on this website now so that means you have internet and you have access to tl. so why can't you post them now -.-
On August 28 2013 02:37 theking1 wrote: Hmmm 8 players for 50k means a lot of money for some players.In a way I like this lineup it reminds me of the ppv streams mlg used to do when with 8 invited players.The matches betwen drg and marine king were awsome back then.I will definetly watch the event.The other players that really need inviting are Naniwa,Scarllet and definately Jaedong.Maybe even innovation now that he is with acer or a well know kespa player like maru,rain.
Also please stop with the redbull being the reason mlg dropped sc2.Mlg dropped sc2 because it was in conflict with blizzard and also because they picked up dota2,Sc2 will not be neither at fullsail nor at the next mlg in Orlando or god knows where it will be.There were enough threads about this.Redbull hosting this tournament had nothing to do with mlg decision.Although it seems a bit stupid that 2 major tournaments could not find a free date all year round so that they do not collide.
This event is the reasons MLG did not run SC2 that weekend. MLG Adam said it directly several times, including to me. It is fact. They schedule these venues in advance and you can’t just “switch the dates”. Don't tell people to stop saying things that are true.
No he didn't tell you anything.You have to provide a source for that.The only thing adam said on reddit was that somethings happened behind the scenes we do not know about.And mlg didn't drop sc2 just for fullsail where it collided with redbull but also for the next big event in Columbus where there is no redbull conflict. And mlg adam didnt tell you personally anything.You are either lying or simply psychotic.Provide evidence that mlg adam said anything directly to you in the regards of sc2 being dropped because of a redbull conflict conflict and I willl personally do a video singing Lady Gaga-Alejandro and post it on youtube and tl.
All right, I guess I could post my inbox from TL in the thread when I get back home, or my direct messages box from twitter if its so important to you. It’s a little weird. The simple fact of the matter is that you are just refusing to believe that MLG and Redbull had conflicting events and you want there to be other reasons why MLG is not carrying SC2 for one event. There is no top secret plan to stop carrying SC2, its just that there is another event that weekend. You might be bummed out if you have to do that youtube cover though.
well you seem to be posting on this website now so that means you have internet and you have access to tl. so why can't you post them now -.-
If Jaedong goes to this I might have to plan a trip to NY for this weekend. Was so excited for MLG Columbus this year but since they're not doing SC2 I have no reason to go. Hopefully we'll have another event in Columbus OH someday but in the meantime NY isn't too far away!
On August 28 2013 02:37 theking1 wrote: Hmmm 8 players for 50k means a lot of money for some players.In a way I like this lineup it reminds me of the ppv streams mlg used to do when with 8 invited players.The matches betwen drg and marine king were awsome back then.I will definetly watch the event.The other players that really need inviting are Naniwa,Scarllet and definately Jaedong.Maybe even innovation now that he is with acer or a well know kespa player like maru,rain.
Also please stop with the redbull being the reason mlg dropped sc2.Mlg dropped sc2 because it was in conflict with blizzard and also because they picked up dota2,Sc2 will not be neither at fullsail nor at the next mlg in Orlando or god knows where it will be.There were enough threads about this.Redbull hosting this tournament had nothing to do with mlg decision.Although it seems a bit stupid that 2 major tournaments could not find a free date all year round so that they do not collide.
This event is the reasons MLG did not run SC2 that weekend. MLG Adam said it directly several times, including to me. It is fact. They schedule these venues in advance and you can’t just “switch the dates”. Don't tell people to stop saying things that are true.
No he didn't tell you anything.You have to provide a source for that.The only thing adam said on reddit was that somethings happened behind the scenes we do not know about.And mlg didn't drop sc2 just for fullsail where it collided with redbull but also for the next big event in Columbus where there is no redbull conflict. And mlg adam didnt tell you personally anything.You are either lying or simply psychotic.Provide evidence that mlg adam said anything directly to you in the regards of sc2 being dropped because of a redbull conflict conflict and I willl personally do a video singing Lady Gaga-Alejandro and post it on youtube and tl.
All right, I guess I could post my inbox from TL in the thread when I get back home, or my direct messages box from twitter if its so important to you. It’s a little weird. The simple fact of the matter is that you are just refusing to believe that MLG and Redbull had conflicting events and you want there to be other reasons why MLG is not carrying SC2 for one event. There is no top secret plan to stop carrying SC2, its just that there is another event that weekend. You might be bummed out if you have to do that youtube cover though.
well you seem to be posting on this website now so that means you have internet and you have access to tl. so why can't you post them now -.-
Phone ?
Work, the place where you don't upload screenshots to the internet if you want to keep working.
On August 28 2013 03:56 skyflyfish wrote: mvp/polt/life/naniwa make it happen!!
we definetly could use jd,polt,naniwa.mvp and life dunno.But in terms of sc2 jd,polt and scarlett are the most succesfull players playing in the na wcs right now.
I don't think you can fill a 2500 viewers venue in USA with players like Snute and Golden. Seriously, wtf? This already looks like destined to be a disappointment for Red Bull in terms of viewers.
That said, still looking forward. Will watch it, no matter who plays.
On August 28 2013 04:09 Caladan wrote: I don't think you can fill a 2500 viewers venue in USA with players like Snute and Golden. Seriously, wtf? This already looks like destined to be a disappointment for Red Bull in terms of viewers.
That said, still looking forward. Will watch it, no matter who plays.
There are zero events on this side of the US that anyone in the NYC or Boston are can see. This may be the only live event we get all year. I don’t think they will have any problems filling the venue.
On August 28 2013 04:09 Caladan wrote: I don't think you can fill a 2500 viewers venue in USA with players like Snute and Golden. Seriously, wtf? This already looks like destined to be a disappointment for Red Bull in terms of viewers.
That said, still looking forward. Will watch it, no matter who plays.
you might be right regarding the viewership.but mlg isn't ti3.and redbull never had much viewership in the first place so probably this will set a record for redbull.
The four remaining qualifier spots are going to be so contested. For a piece of the $50,000 prize pool, every player will have to give their best to have a chance at the first prize. And with only 8 players total, it won't be as exhausting to play through a weekend.
to give some perspective, the recent ASUS ROG tournament had a prize pool of 25000. 50000 is a crazy high ammount with only 8 players imho. expand it to at least 16.
I have to believe life doesn't want to go or something as it makes no sense for redbull to never invite him to these things. Life should be here as he has nothing to play these days besides code a so we hardly see him now.
I speak to Rob quite a bit and I would consider him a great friend in this space (and outside of it). The events colliding was a complete over sight by both of us and unfortunately at the stage both parties were at, venue arrangements could not be changed. Redbull's event was (is) planned to be heavy Sc2, it did not make sense to run against them, especially as both events would be in the same time zone.
There is no crazy story to attach to this one guys, and we will support/help/etc. Redbull any way we can. In fact, I spoke to Rob this morning about ways to synergize. This event will be amazing, I hope you guys enjoy it.
Its always nice when people confirm I am not lying, it save me the trouble of taking screen shots of my inbox or doing other weird stuff. Now I just need to figure out how to attend the event in NYC and stream MLGs event at the same time, without blowing out my data charges to $50 for that month.
On August 28 2013 04:09 Caladan wrote: I don't think you can fill a 2500 viewers venue in USA with players like Snute and Golden. Seriously, wtf? This already looks like destined to be a disappointment for Red Bull in terms of viewers.
That said, still looking forward. Will watch it, no matter who plays.
There are zero events on this side of the US that anyone in the NYC or Boston are can see. This may be the only live event we get all year. I don’t think they will have any problems filling the venue.
Oh they should be able to fill it without a problem. If it's not close to capacity then something really went wrong. We still get several live events, but man do I really dislike special events where there are only eight players competing. This is what Battle Grounds has been about though. This time they have a theater and a good prize pool. I'm on the fence about stuff like this because a lot of players lose out on opportunities that MLG can provide. I understand they don't want to overlap but for eight players. Yeah, I cannot get over that.
On August 28 2013 04:07 danbel1005 wrote: Definitely looking forward to this, TLO will win this one im pretty sure. TLO will be the 3rd zerg from TL to win a RedBull BG
Ha.
On August 28 2013 04:01 gingerfluffmuff wrote: More money for Bomber i guess. (so far)
Just because a player gets over a hurdle doesn't necessarily mean they are a shoe-in for the next one. Even if it's a special event with only eight players.
On August 28 2013 05:46 Plansix wrote: Its always nice when people confirm I am not lying, it save me the trouble of taking screen shots of my inbox or doing other weird stuff. Now I just need to figure out how to attend the event in NYC and stream MLGs event at the same time, without blowing out my data charges to $50 for that month.
My charges last month were over several hundred dollars. Those bitches were overcharging for over a year. -__- Thank God I got that fixed and now I have unlimited for 120 a month lmao.
On August 28 2013 04:32 Zealously wrote: Red Bull better rig the qualifiers so that Life gets to play or I'm boycotting this shit
lol. Your boy Life needs to pick up the pace just like my boy Leenock needs to do the same. No free rides brother.
On August 28 2013 05:27 MLG_Adam wrote: Plansix is not lying.
I speak to Rob quite a bit and I would consider him a great friend in this space (and outside of it). The events colliding was a complete over sight by both of us and unfortunately at the stage both parties were at, venue arrangements could not be changed. Redbull's event was (is) planned to be heavy Sc2, it did not make sense to run against them, especially as both events would be in the same time zone.
There is no crazy story to attach to this one guys, and we will support/help/etc. Redbull any way we can. In fact, I spoke to Rob this morning about ways to synergize. This event will be amazing, I hope you guys enjoy it.
Glad to have you set the record straight for this then, as I don't think it had been done before publicly (to my knowledge at least). I'm really going to miss MLG so I hope all parties can sort this out to plan a bit more effectively (which is really difficult I realize given the very small amount of weekends that could be suitable for such large events).
It's sad for the players who aren't the tip of the top, because this kind of tournament Redbull is making don't help them at all. We're gonna stay with the same players at events for years with this system.
Although I'm confident the tournament will be awesome, I'm just worried about the players who aren't Bomber and the like you know.
Lol it isn't Redbull's responsibility to make sure SC2 Players make a living, it's their own decision to turn pro in this game, if you don't work enough to compete with the mid tier Koreans you're not good enough to make money in this game. IMO
fuck yes, finally a live NYC that isn't screwed over by comic con edit: planning to throw barrels of money at the fist person (or company) to sell tickets to this event
I hope they do some team games again. The one I watched last time was epic. But a lot of that had to do with select. The red bull ones are a nice change in variety. Bring over flash. I would to see flash vs bomber on that map of the gods where they can manipulate the map in game. Just to see flash's reaction.
1 esf, 1 kespa, 1 euro 1 na players should be fine. Though giving an all na qualifer would be somewhat charity like unless scarlett decides to play in this and not take a break, or polt gets to play in that qualifier too
Really happy to see more NA tournaments! But I am sad there won't be a big open bracket. Hopefully in the future Red Bull also incorporates a big open bracket into one of these tournaments.
On August 28 2013 12:34 [SXG]Phantom wrote: Is the MLG the same days? because if i recall correctly, MLG was in october, so this tournament should be the reason f why mlg dropped sc2
Can we please just drop this? Its been made apparent that MLG had no intention of hosting another starcraft tournament and as far as we're concerned, MLG opted to remove starcraft from their lineup of games for the foreseeable future.
That said, I am stoked for the Red Bull lan, they always end up holding awesome games.
On August 28 2013 12:34 [SXG]Phantom wrote: Is the MLG the same days? because if i recall correctly, MLG was in october, so this tournament should be the reason f why mlg dropped sc2
Can we please just drop this? Its been made apparent that MLG had no intention of hosting another starcraft tournament and as far as we're concerned, MLG opted to remove starcraft from their lineup of games for the foreseeable future.
That said, I am stoked for the Red Bull lan, they always end up holding awesome games.
It is very disingenuous to call it a lan, an invitational is more apt. A very limited invitational.
Some of you really ought to start reading the actual thread before posting shesh. There are a lot of answers to your questions in the posts. You don't even have to stay up-to-date with other threads to catch up.
On August 28 2013 12:34 [SXG]Phantom wrote: Is the MLG the same days? because if i recall correctly, MLG was in october, so this tournament should be the reason f why mlg dropped sc2
Can we please just drop this? Its been made apparent that MLG had no intention of hosting another starcraft tournament and as far as we're concerned, MLG opted to remove starcraft from their lineup of games for the foreseeable future.
That said, I am stoked for the Red Bull lan, they always end up holding awesome games.
MLG literally said the opposite in this thread. You might have missed or ignored it.
On August 28 2013 02:19 Lorch wrote: Pls for the love of god 8 player invites are not growing our scene. You are just throwing more content at a market with 3 regions of wcs weekly content. At least have like a 64 player tournament so unknowns actually have hope of qualifying and getting exposure, throwing 50k at 8 players who already make a decent living out of this won't help anyone except for redbull...
People that post things like this would complain if StarCraft 2 hit the same level in NA as American football (gridiron) on the basis that all the new fans are 'bad for the scene' because they're vocal, positive, and don't know as much about the game as <insert-name-of-individual-posting>.
For once, just for damned once, can we get some positive feedback on something organizers are doing and doing well? I doubt that the event organizers and celebrities / personalities involved will read this because they should know, by now, to avoid their own threads due to the enormous negative kickback... that being said, I'm going to throw myself out there for those people that MIGHT be reading.
Red Bull, you are absolutely amazing for having and sponsoring these tournaments. Whether they're 8-man, 16-man, invitational, 128-open, I don't care. The tournaments themselves are well-run, the prize money is good, the players are fun to watch, there is more personality than other tournament formats typically have, and I feel that the Training Grounds bring something unique to NA. Some people say it's not enough, I say it's more than enough but I wish for more. I implore you to ignore people that want to cram down your collective throat their desire for more and instead open your ears to the people that are openly, genuinely thankful to the effort you've made to grow the scene and represent the game that I and many other people love.
On a note that makes more of a (financial) difference, before your Training Grounds I have NEVER tried Red Bull. Ever. Monster all the way all day erry day, as the saying goes. Now, do I mysteriously like Red Bull more than Monster? Just between ourselves and the Internet, no. As far as a drink goes, I prefer Monster. But I have and will continue to go OUT OF MY WAY to buy Red Bull BECAUSE of your direct support for eSports. As far as dollars go, I drink about 1-2 cans of energy drinks a week. Multiply that by the beginning of 2013 (rough math estimate starting from JAN13) and you have ($2.50 x 2 x (8mo = 32wks + 2.5 remainder x 8 (20, circa 3wks) = 35 wks) $5 x 35 = $175.
I don't know how much of this can be replicated with other people. Some drink more and some drink less, others not at all. But you are getting $125 - $175 more this year than you did last year because of me. And you are getting that money from me, a person that does not even prefer your product, because of Red Bull Training Grounds.
Day[9], your endless cheerfulness and just everything about how you present yourself and our cause is amazing. I'm not going to say 'personality' because that has a stigma attached to it these days implying falseness or playing a role. I don't believe that what you are can be faked, acted, or staged. I feel your sheer dedication and work ethic (the part most people don't seem to realize, I'm afraid) every single Daily, every event you cast, every show you're on, and every interview you give. It's really inspiring.
But what strikes me as best about you Day[9] is that you are what you expect others to be. Take State of the Game #100. You talked about negativity, and how (Ayn Rand would be proud) the scary thing about "sc2 is dying" "eSports is failing" "NA is doomed" is that it can become true because people are saying it. That people need to start saying "f**k yes, I love this game" and people need to, instead of whining, GO DO SOMETHING. I read a post you put up in... 2010, I think?... that effectively said this:
Don't ask if people are interested. Don't ask other people what you can do to help them with setting up an event. Don't make a poll on Teamliquid to see if anybody would attend. JUST GO DO IT, keep it organized, and you will have a turnout.
And you're doing that EXACT thing with StarCraft 2 and the Red Bull Training Grounds. I love it! I'm a proudly subscribed DayKnight ($5mo x Forever) and what you said in Episode #100 sticks with me. I love StarCraft, and I love that I love StarCraft.
I'm EXCITED AS HELL for this, I'm going to share it on my Facebook, tell all my friends, tell my gf, and we're gonig to watch some StarCraft because F**K YES IT'S AWESOME!!!
On August 28 2013 02:19 Lorch wrote: Pls for the love of god 8 player invites are not growing our scene. You are just throwing more content at a market with 3 regions of wcs weekly content. At least have like a 64 player tournament so unknowns actually have hope of qualifying and getting exposure, throwing 50k at 8 players who already make a decent living out of this won't help anyone except for redbull...
People that post things like this would complain if StarCraft 2 hit the same level in NA as American football (gridiron) on the basis that all the new fans are 'bad for the scene' because they're vocal, positive, and don't know as much about the game as <insert-name-of-individual-posting>.
For once, just for damned once, can we get some positive feedback on something organizers are doing and doing well? I doubt that the event organizers and celebrities / personalities involved will read this because they should know, by now, to avoid their own threads due to the enormous negative kickback... that being said, I'm going to throw myself out there for those people that MIGHT be reading.
Red Bull, you are absolutely amazing for having and sponsoring these tournaments. Whether they're 8-man, 16-man, invitational, 128-open, I don't care. The tournaments themselves are well-run, the prize money is good, the players are fun to watch, there is more personality than other tournament formats typically have, and I feel that the Training Grounds bring something unique to NA. Some people say it's not enough, I say it's more than enough but I wish for more. I implore you to ignore people that want to cram down your collective throat their desire for more and instead open your ears to the people that are openly, genuinely thankful to the effort you've made to grow the scene and represent the game that I and many other people love.
On a note that makes more of a (financial) difference, before your Training Grounds I have NEVER tried Red Bull. Ever. Monster all the way all day erry day, as the saying goes. Now, do I mysteriously like Red Bull more than Monster? Just between ourselves and the Internet, no. As far as a drink goes, I prefer Monster. But I have and will continue to go OUT OF MY WAY to buy Red Bull BECAUSE of your direct support for eSports. As far as dollars go, I drink about 1-2 cans of energy drinks a week. Multiply that by the beginning of 2013 (rough math estimate starting from JAN13) and you have ($2.50 x 2 x (8mo = 32wks + 2.5 remainder x 8 (20, circa 3wks) = 35 wks) $5 x 35 = $175.
I don't know how much of this can be replicated with other people. Some drink more and some drink less, others not at all. But you are getting $125 - $175 more this year than you did last year because of me. And you are getting that money from me, a person that does not even prefer your product, because of Red Bull Training Grounds.
Day[9], your endless cheerfulness and just everything about how you present yourself and our cause is amazing. I'm not going to say 'personality' because that has a stigma attached to it these days implying falseness or playing a role. I don't believe that what you are can be faked, acted, or staged. I feel your sheer dedication and work ethic (the part most people don't seem to realize, I'm afraid) every single Daily, every event you cast, every show you're on, and every interview you give. It's really inspiring.
But what strikes me as best about you Day[9] is that you are what you expect others to be. Take State of the Game #100. You talked about negativity, and how (Ayn Rand would be proud) the scary thing about "sc2 is dying" "eSports is failing" "NA is doomed" is that it can become true because people are saying it. That people need to start saying "f**k yes, I love this game" and people need to, instead of whining, GO DO SOMETHING. I read a post you put up in... 2010, I think?... that effectively said this:
Don't ask if people are interested. Don't ask other people what you can do to help them with setting up an event. Don't make a poll on Teamliquid to see if anybody would attend. JUST GO DO IT, keep it organized, and you will have a turnout.
And you're doing that EXACT thing with StarCraft 2 and the Red Bull Training Grounds. I love it! I'm a proudly subscribed DayKnight ($5mo x Forever) and what you said in Episode #100 sticks with me. I love StarCraft, and I love that I love StarCraft.
I'm EXCITED AS HELL for this, I'm going to share it on my Facebook, tell all my friends, tell my gf, and we're gonig to watch some StarCraft because F**K YES IT'S AWESOME!!!
8 freaking players ? dunno how to feel about this . Great for viewers . I feel sorry for all NA players and casters . atlast i hope to see Nathanias and TB casting some games there.
On August 28 2013 02:19 Lorch wrote: Pls for the love of god 8 player invites are not growing our scene. You are just throwing more content at a market with 3 regions of wcs weekly content. At least have like a 64 player tournament so unknowns actually have hope of qualifying and getting exposure, throwing 50k at 8 players who already make a decent living out of this won't help anyone except for redbull...
People that post things like this would complain if StarCraft 2 hit the same level in NA as American football (gridiron) on the basis that all the new fans are 'bad for the scene' because they're vocal, positive, and don't know as much about the game as <insert-name-of-individual-posting>.
For once, just for damned once, can we get some positive feedback on something organizers are doing and doing well? I doubt that the event organizers and celebrities / personalities involved will read this because they should know, by now, to avoid their own threads due to the enormous negative kickback... that being said, I'm going to throw myself out there for those people that MIGHT be reading.
Red Bull, you are absolutely amazing for having and sponsoring these tournaments. Whether they're 8-man, 16-man, invitational, 128-open, I don't care. The tournaments themselves are well-run, the prize money is good, the players are fun to watch, there is more personality than other tournament formats typically have, and I feel that the Training Grounds bring something unique to NA. Some people say it's not enough, I say it's more than enough but I wish for more. I implore you to ignore people that want to cram down your collective throat their desire for more and instead open your ears to the people that are openly, genuinely thankful to the effort you've made to grow the scene and represent the game that I and many other people love.
On a note that makes more of a (financial) difference, before your Training Grounds I have NEVER tried Red Bull. Ever. Monster all the way all day erry day, as the saying goes. Now, do I mysteriously like Red Bull more than Monster? Just between ourselves and the Internet, no. As far as a drink goes, I prefer Monster. But I have and will continue to go OUT OF MY WAY to buy Red Bull BECAUSE of your direct support for eSports. As far as dollars go, I drink about 1-2 cans of energy drinks a week. Multiply that by the beginning of 2013 (rough math estimate starting from JAN13) and you have ($2.50 x 2 x (8mo = 32wks + 2.5 remainder x 8 (20, circa 3wks) = 35 wks) $5 x 35 = $175.
I don't know how much of this can be replicated with other people. Some drink more and some drink less, others not at all. But you are getting $125 - $175 more this year than you did last year because of me. And you are getting that money from me, a person that does not even prefer your product, because of Red Bull Training Grounds.
Day[9], your endless cheerfulness and just everything about how you present yourself and our cause is amazing. I'm not going to say 'personality' because that has a stigma attached to it these days implying falseness or playing a role. I don't believe that what you are can be faked, acted, or staged. I feel your sheer dedication and work ethic (the part most people don't seem to realize, I'm afraid) every single Daily, every event you cast, every show you're on, and every interview you give. It's really inspiring.
But what strikes me as best about you Day[9] is that you are what you expect others to be. Take State of the Game #100. You talked about negativity, and how (Ayn Rand would be proud) the scary thing about "sc2 is dying" "eSports is failing" "NA is doomed" is that it can become true because people are saying it. That people need to start saying "f**k yes, I love this game" and people need to, instead of whining, GO DO SOMETHING. I read a post you put up in... 2010, I think?... that effectively said this:
Don't ask if people are interested. Don't ask other people what you can do to help them with setting up an event. Don't make a poll on Teamliquid to see if anybody would attend. JUST GO DO IT, keep it organized, and you will have a turnout.
And you're doing that EXACT thing with StarCraft 2 and the Red Bull Training Grounds. I love it! I'm a proudly subscribed DayKnight ($5mo x Forever) and what you said in Episode #100 sticks with me. I love StarCraft, and I love that I love StarCraft.
I'm EXCITED AS HELL for this, I'm going to share it on my Facebook, tell all my friends, tell my gf, and we're gonig to watch some StarCraft because F**K YES IT'S AWESOME!!!
Truth overwhelming!
Couldn't have said it better myself, especially after scrolling the first page and seeing almost everyone complaining.
I can't seem to get excited for a 8 man invite tour, no matter the prize pool. Throw in some mid-tier players like Golden and Snute and it looks like my weekend is sadly still free :/
I would get doing a 8 man tournament with this years regional/global WCS winners and runners up, but this is just meh.
On August 28 2013 12:34 [SXG]Phantom wrote: Is the MLG the same days? because if i recall correctly, MLG was in october, so this tournament should be the reason f why mlg dropped sc2
Can we please just drop this? Its been made apparent that MLG had no intention of hosting another starcraft tournament and as far as we're concerned, MLG opted to remove starcraft from their lineup of games for the foreseeable future.
That said, I am stoked for the Red Bull lan, they always end up holding awesome games.
MLG literally said the opposite in this thread. You might have missed or ignored it.
just looked through the pages to find the post you were alluding to.
Regardless, what am I, and other starcraft fans suppose to expect without an official press release about their stance on starcraft? Last I checked it was up to the community to play investigator based on messages sent over twitter and any snide remarks that adam or other MLG employees would make on TL.
On August 28 2013 12:34 [SXG]Phantom wrote: Is the MLG the same days? because if i recall correctly, MLG was in october, so this tournament should be the reason f why mlg dropped sc2
Can we please just drop this? Its been made apparent that MLG had no intention of hosting another starcraft tournament and as far as we're concerned, MLG opted to remove starcraft from their lineup of games for the foreseeable future.
That said, I am stoked for the Red Bull lan, they always end up holding awesome games.
MLG literally said the opposite in this thread. You might have missed or ignored it.
just looked through the pages to find the post you were alluding to.
Regardless, what am I, and other starcraft fans suppose to expect without an official press release about their stance on starcraft? Last I checked it was up to the community to play investigator based on messages sent over twitter and any snide remarks that adam or other MLG employees would make on TL.
so not making an official statement means that dropping sc2 for one tournament = dropping sc2 forever from their circuit. gotcha.
If Blizzard couldn't give a fuck less about the NA scene, the makers of the game... then in no way, shape or form can Red Bull receive criticism for not trying to do what the makers of SC 2 should be concerned with... That's simply not their responsibility. If Red Bull joined forces with Blizzard, they would end up with a lower prize pool. To be a tier 1 tournament (give the most WCS points), you only have to have a prize pool of "x." There is absolutely no incentive to make the prize pool any bigger, whether the profit allows for it or not.
Nothing Blizzard is doing provides a positive outlook for foreigner players. Next WCS challenger season for NA, you will probably have to be on the A team of CJ Entus to have a shot... And the prize pool will be fixed because there is no competition. Anti compete rules left and right.
The more money Red Bull throws at tournaments with "only 8 players," the worse it makes Blizzard look. If anything, that's always a plus. Still, I don't even want them to help the NA scene because it would be too much of a slap in the face/pathetic to think you have to rely on some big companies like Red Bull instead of Blizzard... I mean, that's like a stranger playing your dad because your dad is MIA. Personally, I'd be bitter if that's really what it would take.
On August 28 2013 05:27 MLG_Adam wrote: Plansix is not lying.
I speak to Rob quite a bit and I would consider him a great friend in this space (and outside of it). The events colliding was a complete over sight by both of us and unfortunately at the stage both parties were at, venue arrangements could not be changed. Redbull's event was (is) planned to be heavy Sc2, it did not make sense to run against them, especially as both events would be in the same time zone.
There is no crazy story to attach to this one guys, and we will support/help/etc. Redbull any way we can. In fact, I spoke to Rob this morning about ways to synergize. This event will be amazing, I hope you guys enjoy it.
My mind is literally blown at this moment.This is like reading kafka.So in the middle of all the controversy with huge threads on reddit and on tl you do not say anything.On twitter and other official mlg channels you do not say anything but you give private messages to random tl users................................This is unbelievable.I have never expected this level of unprofessionalism even from mlg.I am speechless.If you guys handle all of your stuff the same way you handle sc2 stuff I really hope a new na esports organization develops that can give decent esports tournaments.i am starting to think incontrol was right about you guys.
On August 28 2013 05:27 MLG_Adam wrote: Plansix is not lying.
I speak to Rob quite a bit and I would consider him a great friend in this space (and outside of it). The events colliding was a complete over sight by both of us and unfortunately at the stage both parties were at, venue arrangements could not be changed. Redbull's event was (is) planned to be heavy Sc2, it did not make sense to run against them, especially as both events would be in the same time zone.
There is no crazy story to attach to this one guys, and we will support/help/etc. Redbull any way we can. In fact, I spoke to Rob this morning about ways to synergize. This event will be amazing, I hope you guys enjoy it.
My mind is literally blown at this moment.This is like reading kafka.So in the middle of all the controversy with huge threads on reddit and on tl you do not say anything.On twitter and other official mlg channels you do not say anything but you give private messages to random tl users................................This is unbelievable.I have never expected this level of unprofessionalism even from mlg.I am speechless.If you guys handle all of your stuff the same way you handle sc2 stuff I really hope a new na esports organization develops that can give decent esports tournaments.i am starting to think incontrol was right about you guys.
On August 28 2013 05:27 MLG_Adam wrote: Plansix is not lying.
I speak to Rob quite a bit and I would consider him a great friend in this space (and outside of it). The events colliding was a complete over sight by both of us and unfortunately at the stage both parties were at, venue arrangements could not be changed. Redbull's event was (is) planned to be heavy Sc2, it did not make sense to run against them, especially as both events would be in the same time zone.
There is no crazy story to attach to this one guys, and we will support/help/etc. Redbull any way we can. In fact, I spoke to Rob this morning about ways to synergize. This event will be amazing, I hope you guys enjoy it.
My mind is literally blown at this moment.This is like reading kafka.So in the middle of all the controversy with huge threads on reddit and on tl you do not say anything.On twitter and other official mlg channels you do not say anything but you give private messages to random tl users................................This is unbelievable.I have never expected this level of unprofessionalism even from mlg.I am speechless.If you guys handle all of your stuff the same way you handle sc2 stuff I really hope a new na esports organization develops that can give decent esports tournaments.i am starting to think incontrol was right about you guys.
Doesn't matter Alejandro gogo
Exactly. The community expects theking1 to follow through and give us the heart felt performance of Alejandro he promised. That we deserve.
I am pretty sure they are going to invite Jeadong. The possibility of a Jaedong - Bomber rematch would be likely and JD could finally claim his first notable tournament win.
On August 28 2013 20:45 trada wrote: I am pretty sure they are going to invite Jeadong. The possibility of a Jaedong - Bomber rematch would be likely and JD could finally claim his first notable tournament win.
With all due respect and sincere support (great players, great them moneyzzzz) in my opinion it wouldn't be that notable, at least for JD in relation to his string of 2nds (2 DHs, AM S2, Global S2).
On the side note, making this tournament a bit more "Dreamhacky" could actually be very beneficial. I'm talking mainly about making it Open format, which would be a nice alternative for American players. Just toying with the idea
On August 28 2013 12:14 SniXSniPe wrote: Whelp, there goes any hope I had for the NA proscene.
Looks like LoL is the right answer for most.
Please explain how a tournament with a 50k prizepool is killing the NA scene.
Its not killing NA scene but it isn't helping much either, especially given that it seems to be only an 8 man tournament. And unless 1 or 2 players from the NA scene somehow manage to qualify it isn't going to be giving the NA scene much exposure either.
I think really good is a given, though its something that depends on the qualifier format. Fan favorites is harder though, I guess it would be sick good for them if JD and Polt qualify, at least Polt seems way more popular now then HerO.
On August 28 2013 12:14 SniXSniPe wrote: Whelp, there goes any hope I had for the NA proscene.
Looks like LoL is the right answer for most.
Please explain how a tournament with a 50k prizepool is killing the NA scene.
Its not killing NA scene but it isn't helping much either, especially given that it seems to be only an 8 man tournament. And unless 1 or 2 players from the NA scene somehow manage to qualify it isn't going to be giving the NA scene much exposure either.
That is true. But keep in mind that MLG barely contributed to the NA scene in terms of prize money. In 2012 and 2013 MLG has (according to Liquipedia) paid $11.100 to NA players in terms of prize pool earnings. $9.100 to HuK alone and $1.000 each to Killer and Sasquatch. With a total prize pool of $392.700 during 2012 and 2013 this means that NA players have taken home just shy of 3% of the total prize pool. In comparison Europeans have claimed $27.250, almost 7% of the total prize pool.
In terms of building the NA scene we need more events like Shoutcraft America where Koreans and Europeans are prohibited. The NA scene should not be built by major and premier tournaments, simply because next to no Americans can compete at that level.
EDIT: Obviously i am not trying to bash MLG here, as i know that a lot of teams have enjoyed a great deal of exposure from MLG, namely teams like EG and Quantic gaming.
On August 28 2013 21:55 Destructicon wrote: I think really good is a given, though its something that depends on the qualifier format. Fan favorites is harder though, I guess it would be sick good for them if JD and Polt qualify, at least Polt seems way more popular now then HerO.
JD, Polt, HerO, Taeja. I'd like that.
Disagree with "way" more. Just more noticable with HerO being absent from big tournaments since IEM
Even there is a limited chance to make it to the final eight, more events with more things to fight over is always good for the NA scene. If we have learned anything from Dota 2, it is that the more people have to fight over, the more they play. Redbull could hold an online only qualifier tournament with a $5000 prize pool at the end just to see who qualifies and give everyone trying a little extra push and that would do as much good as have a 32 player event.
Its not about providing the NA scene with enough money through prize pools, its about having something to fight for at all times. If a player doesn’t qualify for WCS, it is easy to keep practicing and keep your head in the game if there is another qualifier or event in a couple of weeks. Rather than looking for huge events that have 64 players, it should be 64 smaller events that keep players fighting all the time, online or otherwise.
On August 28 2013 02:37 theking1 wrote: Hmmm 8 players for 50k means a lot of money for some players.In a way I like this lineup it reminds me of the ppv streams mlg used to do when with 8 invited players.The matches betwen drg and marine king were awsome back then.I will definetly watch the event.The other players that really need inviting are Naniwa,Scarllet and definately Jaedong.Maybe even innovation now that he is with acer or a well know kespa player like maru,rain.
Also please stop with the redbull being the reason mlg dropped sc2.Mlg dropped sc2 because it was in conflict with blizzard and also because they picked up dota2,Sc2 will not be neither at fullsail nor at the next mlg in Orlando or god knows where it will be.There were enough threads about this.Redbull hosting this tournament had nothing to do with mlg decision.Although it seems a bit stupid that 2 major tournaments could not find a free date all year round so that they do not collide.
This event is the reasons MLG did not run SC2 that weekend. MLG Adam said it directly several times, including to me. It is fact. They schedule these venues in advance and you can’t just “switch the dates”. Don't tell people to stop saying things that are true.
No he didn't tell you anything.You have to provide a source for that.The only thing adam said on reddit was that somethings happened behind the scenes we do not know about.And mlg didn't drop sc2 just for fullsail where it collided with redbull but also for the next big event in Columbus where there is no redbull conflict. And mlg adam didnt tell you personally anything.You are either lying or simply psychotic.Provide evidence that mlg adam said anything directly to you in the regards of sc2 being dropped because of a redbull conflict conflict and I willl personally do a video singing Lady Gaga-Alejandro and post it on youtube and tl.
On August 28 2013 05:27 MLG_Adam wrote: Plansix is not lying.
I speak to Rob quite a bit and I would consider him a great friend in this space (and outside of it). The events colliding was a complete over sight by both of us and unfortunately at the stage both parties were at, venue arrangements could not be changed. Redbull's event was (is) planned to be heavy Sc2, it did not make sense to run against them, especially as both events would be in the same time zone.
There is no crazy story to attach to this one guys, and we will support/help/etc. Redbull any way we can. In fact, I spoke to Rob this morning about ways to synergize. This event will be amazing, I hope you guys enjoy it.
My mind is literally blown at this moment.This is like reading kafka.So in the middle of all the controversy with huge threads on reddit and on tl you do not say anything.On twitter and other official mlg channels you do not say anything but you give private messages to random tl users................................This is unbelievable.I have never expected this level of unprofessionalism even from mlg.I am speechless.If you guys handle all of your stuff the same way you handle sc2 stuff I really hope a new na esports organization develops that can give decent esports tournaments.i am starting to think incontrol was right about you guys.
Wow, you are incredibly angry, incredibly wrong, and probably incredibly embarrassed by now. Give it a rest, man. MLG's reasons make sense, and hopefully Red Bull will have four other great players to catch our attention. Red Bull's been pretty good so far. Let's see what the qualifiers will bring.
On August 28 2013 22:36 Mocking wrote: If JD enter there, we already have a 2nd place. So gogo dong!
We need a round robin tournament between Yellow, MKP, and Jaedong.
I would watch that, if only to watch all the computers explode when one of them about to GG in the final match, invalidating the entire event.
That would be amazing.
We'd probably just blame Jaedong (or KeSPA?) for having another power surge.
I would just worry about the players or viewers being injured. I mean, by having them all in an event where one of them has to win, we are directly challenging the laws of the universe.
On August 28 2013 05:27 MLG_Adam wrote: Plansix is not lying.
I speak to Rob quite a bit and I would consider him a great friend in this space (and outside of it). The events colliding was a complete over sight by both of us and unfortunately at the stage both parties were at, venue arrangements could not be changed. Redbull's event was (is) planned to be heavy Sc2, it did not make sense to run against them, especially as both events would be in the same time zone.
There is no crazy story to attach to this one guys, and we will support/help/etc. Redbull any way we can. In fact, I spoke to Rob this morning about ways to synergize. This event will be amazing, I hope you guys enjoy it.
My mind is literally blown at this moment.This is like reading kafka.So in the middle of all the controversy with huge threads on reddit and on tl you do not say anything.On twitter and other official mlg channels you do not say anything but you give private messages to random tl users................................This is unbelievable.I have never expected this level of unprofessionalism even from mlg.I am speechless.If you guys handle all of your stuff the same way you handle sc2 stuff I really hope a new na esports organization develops that can give decent esports tournaments.i am starting to think incontrol was right about you guys.
TL, bann me for this post but i have to say:
Man YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!
First, you call another user a liar, without knowing anything And then, caught by talking heavy bullshit, you are not man enough to apologize! Third, you call people unprofessional that do a business, you have no freakin idea about.
OMG!! This is rarly seen, even in times of internet-anonymism....
On August 28 2013 05:27 MLG_Adam wrote: Plansix is not lying.
I speak to Rob quite a bit and I would consider him a great friend in this space (and outside of it). The events colliding was a complete over sight by both of us and unfortunately at the stage both parties were at, venue arrangements could not be changed. Redbull's event was (is) planned to be heavy Sc2, it did not make sense to run against them, especially as both events would be in the same time zone.
There is no crazy story to attach to this one guys, and we will support/help/etc. Redbull any way we can. In fact, I spoke to Rob this morning about ways to synergize. This event will be amazing, I hope you guys enjoy it.
My mind is literally blown at this moment.This is like reading kafka.So in the middle of all the controversy with huge threads on reddit and on tl you do not say anything.On twitter and other official mlg channels you do not say anything but you give private messages to random tl users................................This is unbelievable.I have never expected this level of unprofessionalism even from mlg.I am speechless.If you guys handle all of your stuff the same way you handle sc2 stuff I really hope a new na esports organization develops that can give decent esports tournaments.i am starting to think incontrol was right about you guys.
TL, bann me for this post but i have to say:
Man YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!
First, you call another user a liar, without knowing anything And then, caught by talking heavy bullshit, you are not man enough to apologize! Third, you call people unprofessional that do a business, you have no freakin idea about.
OMG!! This is rarly seen, even in times of internet-anonymism....
Where is your video?
User was temp banned for this post.
You know if you would have just called me an idiot without requesting a ban you would not have been banned ^^
On August 28 2013 05:27 MLG_Adam wrote: Plansix is not lying.
I speak to Rob quite a bit and I would consider him a great friend in this space (and outside of it). The events colliding was a complete over sight by both of us and unfortunately at the stage both parties were at, venue arrangements could not be changed. Redbull's event was (is) planned to be heavy Sc2, it did not make sense to run against them, especially as both events would be in the same time zone.
There is no crazy story to attach to this one guys, and we will support/help/etc. Redbull any way we can. In fact, I spoke to Rob this morning about ways to synergize. This event will be amazing, I hope you guys enjoy it.
My mind is literally blown at this moment.This is like reading kafka.So in the middle of all the controversy with huge threads on reddit and on tl you do not say anything.On twitter and other official mlg channels you do not say anything but you give private messages to random tl users................................This is unbelievable.I have never expected this level of unprofessionalism even from mlg.I am speechless.If you guys handle all of your stuff the same way you handle sc2 stuff I really hope a new na esports organization develops that can give decent esports tournaments.i am starting to think incontrol was right about you guys.
TL, bann me for this post but i have to say:
Man YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!
First, you call another user a liar, without knowing anything And then, caught by talking heavy bullshit, you are not man enough to apologize! Third, you call people unprofessional that do a business, you have no freakin idea about.
OMG!! This is rarly seen, even in times of internet-anonymism....
Where is your video?
User was temp banned for this post.
You know if you would have just called me an idiot without requesting a ban you would not have been banned ^^
Martyring 101 but if you do call someone an idiot on these boards you better have a very darn good reason or else they will still ban you. TL frowns upon the name calling.
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