LG-IM and MVP to join ProLeague??

On July 23 2013 11:18 GTR wrote:


shame their teams are pretty terrible and riled with instability

On July 23 2013 11:23 larse wrote:
This is not official indication of anything. DES is not KeSPA. DES is just a journalist website.

Here is KeSPA's website and it has nothing. http://www.e-sports.or.kr/

On July 23 2013 11:18 GTR wrote:


shame their teams are pretty terrible and riled with instability

On July 23 2013 11:30 c0ldfusion wrote:
but that makes 9 teams, that doesn't work

On July 23 2013 11:37 juicyjames wrote:

True. Also, it would be hilariously sad for Gom to lose both GSTL finalists to KeSPA.

On July 23 2013 11:31 Mystgun wrote:
Seriously? To form LG-IM.MVP?

On July 23 2013 11:15 Fionn wrote:
Wouldn't be a surprise. With the upcoming LoL Proleague, MVP Ozone are one of the best teams in the world and it'd be idiotic not to include them. LG-IM also has two teams as well.

On July 23 2013 11:18 GTR wrote:


shame their teams are pretty terrible and riled with instability

On July 23 2013 11:41 Pandain wrote:

Does being in one forbid the other?

On July 23 2013 11:42 Dodgin wrote:


No, as separate teams I would imagine.

On July 23 2013 11:45 Nerevar wrote:

I don't think either team will join KeSPA, but if they do join Proleague, it's going to be so huge a commitment to stay competitive in the league that it'll be extremely difficult for them to be stretched thin to do both Proleague and GSTL.

On July 23 2013 11:41 Walnuts wrote:

Not like it hasn't happened before...

On July 23 2013 11:52 MCXD wrote:
The stupid thing is this would just shut down the GSTL and not actually improve viewership/quality of SPL any.

It's a complete loss, to me.

On July 23 2013 11:52 julianto wrote:

We can finally say "LG-IM.MVP.MVP"

On July 23 2013 11:54 TommyP wrote:

Why the hell would they merge?

On July 23 2013 12:02 Iodem wrote:


They wouldn't. It's not like EG and TL where their individual rosters are too small to stand alone in a Korean Team League.

On July 23 2013 12:04 Fearest wrote:
just more HYPE like EG-TL and when they do poorly it'll break fans heart

On July 23 2013 11:48 Laryleprakon wrote:


I don't think they could do both, a lot of times GSTL/Proleague would air at the same time or very very close and I doubt either organisation wants to spend a lot of time trying to schedule around that.

On July 23 2013 12:04 Chairman Ray wrote:
This is amazing news! SPL is gonna be so much more epic with a new set of players

On July 23 2013 12:05 TommyP wrote:

MVP and IM are way better than EG-TL and both have extremely deep rosters that can do well in PL format

On July 23 2013 12:06 lichter wrote:


Proleague line up:
Mvp - captain
Yonghwa
First
Kangho
YoDa
Ragnarok

GSTL lineup:
Nestea - captain
MC
Ruin
Byul
Fenix?

They can get Madbull and jjakji to bolster their squad. Maybe Tassadar just to be funny.

On July 23 2013 12:07 TAMinator wrote:

EG-TL were meant to stomp SPL before the SPL started coz they had a "deep" roster. Don't give in to pre SPL hype!

On July 23 2013 12:07 Dodgin wrote:


how in the world do you forget squirtle, wtf.

On July 23 2013 12:08 chipmonklord17 wrote:

EDIT: Ignore me I need to stop posting while tired

On July 23 2013 11:43 MiCa wrote:
LG-IM vs Samsung Khan can't wait.

On July 23 2013 12:10 TommyP wrote:
Just spoke to MVP's coach. Said there will be another season of GSTL starting in "1 month after" so GSTL isnt dead yet

On July 23 2013 12:10 TommyP wrote:
Just spoke to MVP's coach. Said there will be another season of GSTL starting in "1 month after" so GSTL isnt dead yet

On July 23 2013 12:11 Spacekyod wrote:


LOL! We need Apple to sponsor a team!



+ Show Spoiler +

On July 23 2013 12:04 Fearest wrote:
just more HYPE like EG-TL and when they do poorly it'll break fans heart

On July 23 2013 12:13 lichter wrote:


AND they have to play on macs lololol

On July 23 2013 12:12 lichter wrote:


GSTL Season 1 lasted 4 months

Kespa-Esf trading embargo ends in October

Still no announcement when next PL season starts

IM and MVP in both GSTL and PL could both happen

On July 23 2013 12:20 skatblast wrote:
I dont mind. I watch a pretty good amount of starcraft but almost never tune into gstl. Its like a dead league to me. Not very exciting anymore when you can watch proleague.

On July 23 2013 12:51 LighT. wrote:
with LG joining in.
its a matter of time before the big business start joining for PL again for either LoL or SC2.
I hope Hwaseung and Hite are contemplating on joining esports.

As for GSTL:
Prime
FXO
Startale
Axiom-Acer
LG-IM - Rumored to go to KeSPA PL
MVP - Rumored to go to KeSPA PL
NsHoseo - Dead
Azubu - Team's longevity in question

Looks like trouble in paradise.

On July 23 2013 12:58 neoghaleon55 wrote:


There's been rumor that Prime's the next to flop

On July 23 2013 13:02 juicyjames wrote:

May happen anyway once the eSF-KeSPA trade lock expires in October.

On July 23 2013 12:58 neoghaleon55 wrote:


There's been rumor that Prime's the next to flop

On July 23 2013 13:13 Arceus wrote:

Not like that eSF thingy has ever done anything except pulling serial scandals back then. The only useful function is its namesake that people use to distinguish their players with KeSPA's.
I wonder why that so-called federation hasnt gone kaputt already

On July 23 2013 13:32 juicyjames wrote:

Do you guys think that after all of the big eSF teams join KeSPA, that some of the LoL teams without SC2 divisions may buy out the remaining eSF teams and join KeSPA, too?

On July 23 2013 13:32 juicyjames wrote:

Do you guys think that after all of the big eSF teams join KeSPA, that some of the LoL teams without SC2 divisions may buy out the remaining eSF teams and join KeSPA, too?

On July 23 2013 14:50 TheDougler wrote:
While that's great for proleague, I fear what that means for GSTL. I don't think they could play both teamleagues, so that'd mean GSTL is down to five teams: Prime (shaky at best right now btw), AxiomAcer, Startale, FXO, Azubu (who seem to be a sinking ship).

I'm really kind of worried about that

On July 23 2013 14:57 TeslasPigeon wrote:


Good riddance. GSTL isn't that good. There are no storylines (someone getting an all-kill isn't a story, that is just a feat of strength), there is no reason to root for a team when they can rely on a single player to net them games, they don't use their top-tier casters which results in weaker numbers than Code S, and the prize pool has always been laughably small.

They'd be better off running tier1/2 WCS events than GSTL, it would probably net them better numbers and they can get big name players competing (Flash, Inno, Bomber, Rain, Soulkey, Sos) on a consistent basis.

On July 23 2013 16:06 onedayclose wrote:
If LG-IM goes to Proleague then I see a imminent death to GSTL. GSTL needs more teams to adopt a long season format to compete with Proleague.

On July 23 2013 14:57 TeslasPigeon wrote:


Good riddance. GSTL isn't that good. There are no storylines (someone getting an all-kill isn't a story, that is just a feat of strength), there is no reason to root for a team when they can rely on a single player to net them games, they don't use their top-tier casters which results in weaker numbers than Code S, and the prize pool has always been laughably small.

They'd be better off running tier1/2 WCS events than GSTL, it would probably net them better numbers and they can get big name players competing (Flash, Inno, Bomber, Rain, Soulkey, Sos) on a consistent basis.

On July 23 2013 16:12 Fuell wrote:
:o this is big, I doubt they stand a chance in PL tho

On July 23 2013 11:20 juicyjames wrote:
Previously, KeSPA indicated desire to start a LoL Proleague and said there will be two more KeSPA teams soon.

Now, all nine teams listed have SC2 teams. Six also have LoL teams, three do not.

If we assume this is official indication of anything, it may indicate.

A. LG-IM and MVP joined KeSPA (because they have two LoL teams each) and will join SPL.
B. Samsung, STX, and Woongjin will be getting LoL teams soon and this is about LoL Proleague.
C. Both A and B.

On July 23 2013 16:09 neoghaleon55 wrote:


just more money

45k can't compete with 300k

On July 23 2013 17:04 Iplaythings wrote:

Instant favorites has allways failed in PL

The allstar KTF
Team 8
EGTL

And probally some more

On July 23 2013 17:07 Paljas wrote:

team 8 and egtl favorites in pl?
what?

On July 23 2013 17:08 raga4ka wrote:
Question : can't IM and MVP play both Proleague and GSTL ? It's not like they are owned by Kespa and they can just pay 100k deposit for PL if they want to play in it . Of course it could have a problem with sheduled matches and also , they'll have their players more occupied , but with more purpose behind their training their players will become eventually stronger .

On July 23 2013 17:12 Frankon wrote:
LG-IM is a juicy team for Kespa to include in the ProLeague.

Its like saying. You won GSTL, now join the BIG boys.

I think if Kespa would make it possible for a relegation system working in the PL we could have - Proleague (Premiership), GSTL (1st division). With last place in PL dropping down to GSTL and GSTL winner advancing to PL.

Would be sick.... But 0% chances of this ever happening. One can only dream.

On July 23 2013 17:07 Paljas wrote:

team 8 and egtl favorites in pl?
what?

On July 23 2013 17:08 raga4ka wrote:
Question : can't IM and MVP play both Proleague and GSTL ? It's not like they are owned by Kespa and they can just pay 100k deposit for PL if they want to play in it . Of course it could have a problem with sheduled matches and also , they'll have their players more occupied , but with more purpose behind their training their players will become eventually stronger .



He ment more hyped , not favorites . No one is a favorite unless statistics back them up .

On July 23 2013 17:16 winthrop wrote:

gstl top4 to proleague
pl last 4 to gstl
should be awesome

On July 23 2013 17:23 TAMinator wrote:

I like this, it's like we have a premier and challenger league for team league. With some collab between the two. Obviously GOMtv wouldn't like themselves being the lower league but still, would be fun

On July 23 2013 17:07 Paljas wrote:

team 8 and egtl favorites in pl?
what?

On July 24 2013 04:47 Talin wrote:


Team 8 was popularly referred to as the "Dream Team" for at least a couple of months.

They had JD, Sea, Killer and Baby.

On July 24 2013 04:35 LighT. wrote:

Never going to happen.
OGN wants nothing to do with GomTV.
GomTV would not want to be treated as second-class product.

Right now if a PL is going to happen next season LG-IM and MVP to the PL is the only move that makes logical sense..Having a 7 team PL is setting up for disappointment.

On July 24 2013 05:02 TeeTS wrote:

you really think MVP and IM will be leaving ESF behind?

On July 23 2013 17:16 Plexa wrote:

There was a time when KTF literally bought all the top players for their team. They set the record for the longest number of consecutive wins in PL (22-0 i think?) and they still lost the final to SKT haha.

Team 8 upon creation were expected to be huge. It was the union of three teams (MBC, Hwaesung and WeMade) and it was expected that all the aces would carry over into this new team and crush everything, or at least do well. Evidently, not the case.

EGTL same story. Expected to be huge because of all the big names on the team, ended up disappointing.

On July 23 2013 17:12 Frankon wrote:
LG-IM is a juicy team for Kespa to include in the ProLeague.

Its like saying. You won GSTL, now join the BIG boys.

I think if Kespa would make it possible for a relegation system working in the PL we could have - Proleague (Premiership), GSTL (1st division). With last place in PL dropping down to GSTL and GSTL winner advancing to PL.

Would be sick.... But 0% chances of this ever happening. One can only dream.

On July 24 2013 05:08 LighT. wrote:

On what incentive does MVP and IM have to remain in eSF?

On July 24 2013 05:44 Walnuts wrote:

With how weak ST has been lately, they might be

On July 24 2013 05:57 painkilla wrote:


But ST has Bomber xD

On July 23 2013 16:12 Fuell wrote:
:o this is big, I doubt they stand a chance in PL tho

On July 24 2013 04:54 krutopatkin wrote:
by the way, was DRG always missing in the player roster on the MVP homepage?

http://www.sc2mvp.com/board/sc2player

Well Swagger and Dream are missing as well.

On July 24 2013 06:58 Emzeeshady wrote:

The strength of a pro league team seems to be based off how strong their Protoss line up is at playing PvP.
So Startale wouldn't cut it :p

On July 24 2013 07:07 Darkthorn wrote:

If your toss line up is what matters then IM would have no problem winning every single match lol.

On July 24 2013 07:19 neptunusfisk wrote:


Startale managers probably remember the Parting and Squirtle days and mutter ugly words

On July 24 2013 08:17 Walnuts wrote:

Squirtle hasn't done terribly, but Parting sure has fallen off.

On July 24 2013 05:34 painkilla wrote:


You are assuming that team 8, CJ entus, Samsung Khan are better teams than MVP, Startale, Azubu.

On July 24 2013 05:34 painkilla wrote:


You are assuming that team 8, CJ entus, Samsung Khan are better teams than MVP, Startale, Azubu.

On July 24 2013 09:56 Rhaegal wrote:


Roro and Jangbi are better than every player on those teams.

On July 24 2013 10:02 Assirra wrote:

2 people that fell off in the ro32 of the OSL are better then every player on 3 whole teams?
That is a pretty big claim you make there.

On July 24 2013 09:51 StarStruck wrote:


but CJ has Our Glorious Leader now!! Surely they will stop everyone! You do realize your speaking hypothetically as well, no? In either case the more the merrier.

On July 24 2013 10:09 painkilla wrote:


Just saying those esf teams have decent players as well and they're probably a lot better than EG-TL. No reason to automatically delegate them to lower division.
If IM joins PL, it feels very weird to imagine Mvp preparing extensively for a Bo1. Must provide a lot of incentive for him to do that, given how he always plays like he doesn't give a fck in GSTL.

On July 24 2013 10:13 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
I will need to include both Woongjin Stars and LG-IM in my signature if they're actually going to compete in the same league. It was easier to just have one team's flag when they never met in team format. :O

On July 24 2013 10:18 Emzeeshady wrote:

Roro is better then Symbol, Parting, Dream, Bomber and Life?

Ok then...

On July 24 2013 09:56 Rhaegal wrote:


Roro and Jangbi are better than every player on those teams.

On July 24 2013 10:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:


mmm I suppose atm, but barely and because I see those two so much more frequently compared to the eSF teams listed.

I suspect Keen, Dream, Life, Symbol, and Bomber are all better, but we'll see.

Dream especially, I think he's going to make waves next season. He already smacked RorO around pretty convincingly.

On July 24 2013 10:31 TommyP wrote:

screw dream, DRG will pass through up and downs and then win Code S

On July 24 2013 10:36 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:


He has to learn how to hold 2-rax first.

On July 24 2013 10:20 StarStruck wrote:


Vampire, Maru, etc.? You know we could throw names all day but it's not really going to prove anything. Also PartinG's on SKT yo. o; Well, shit I just checked RorO's PL stats against PartinG and I'd stay away from that can of worms. RorO went 4-1 against PartinG this season (WCS and PL games).

On July 24 2013 10:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:


mmm I suppose atm, but barely and because I see those two so much more frequently compared to the eSF teams listed.

I suspect Keen, Dream, Life, Symbol, and Bomber are all better, but we'll see.

Dream especially, I think he's going to make waves next season. He already smacked RorO around pretty convincingly.

On July 24 2013 10:46 Emzeeshady wrote:

I don't really want to upset people but here goes.

+ Show Spoiler + Don't hurt me!!!!!
I mean he had a really god strat that won him a lot of games until it was figured out (2 base colossus all in vs T) but he never really had any amazing attributes. Still a solid player but not championship worthy.

Parting... Just fell off

On July 24 2013 10:42 Iodem wrote:


Parting and Squirtle aren't good without each other to practice with. It's kinda sad how they both fell apart after leaving startale.

On July 24 2013 06:39 neoghaleon55 wrote:


wow
I did not notice this.
I'll have to ask Coach Choi or DRG later.

They used to be on the roster.

[9:49:16 PM] Jasper Lam: hi coach
[9:49:32 PM] Choi (MVPteam): hi :D
[9:49:44 PM] Jasper Lam: small question
[9:49:46 PM] Jasper Lam: http://mvpteam.kr/board/sc2player
[9:49:55 PM] Jasper Lam: I don't see swagger, dream or DRG on list
[9:50:00 PM] Jasper Lam: something change?
[9:50:15 PM] Choi (MVPteam): there are not about the all :D
[9:50:27 PM] Jasper Lam: ok
[9:50:31 PM] Choi (MVPteam): :D
[9:50:37 PM] Choi (MVPteam): 12players on MVP
[9:50:40 PM] Choi (MVPteam): sc2 team
[9:50:58 PM] Jasper Lam: good
[9:50:59 PM] Jasper Lam: I'm happy
[9:51:00 PM] Jasper Lam: :D
[9:51:08 PM] Jasper Lam: thank you
[9:51:10 PM] Jasper Lam: <3

On July 24 2013 14:33 Luepert wrote:
Motherfucking yes. But does that mean they will no longer be in GSTL?

On July 24 2013 14:09 neoghaleon55 wrote:


FALSE ALARM
Seems like the website only posts 10 players/12

MVP confirmed to have 12 players in their roster, noblesse is listed but he's currently not on the team.

here's our skype conversation just now.


nothing to worry about, Dream/Swagger/DRG fans!

On July 24 2013 15:11 Emzeeshady wrote:

Your name is Jasper Lam?

I don't know why I find that so funny :p

On July 23 2013 11:31 Mystgun wrote:
Seriously? To form LG-IM.MVP?

On July 24 2013 16:11 Big J wrote:
that means no more GSTL and the death of 5 other teams. sad day.

On July 24 2013 17:20 painkilla wrote:

What happen between page 9 & 10 that leads to this conclusion?

On July 24 2013 16:36 NewSunshine wrote:

Could be funny. Imagine LG-IM.MVP's MVP being the announcement every time MVP plays.

On July 23 2013 11:18 GTR wrote:


shame their teams are pretty terrible and riled with instability

On July 24 2013 18:47 Chinnro wrote:


You mean 'riddled', anyway.....what does this mean for ESF? If true....

On July 24 2013 19:13 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:


I think he was talking about LG-IM's LoL team.

I don't really watch LoL, so maybe someone more informed can chime in. From what I understand though, MVP's LoL squad is supposed to be one of the very best while IM's sucks.

On July 24 2013 19:47 Douillos wrote:
IMO LG IM & MVP would participate in GSTL and Proleague.... Double the exposure, double the money, double the fun!

On July 24 2013 10:46 Emzeeshady wrote:

I don't really want to upset people but here goes.

+ Show Spoiler + Don't hurt me!!!!!
I mean he had a really god strat that won him a lot of games until it was figured out (2 base colossus all in vs T) but he never really had any amazing attributes. Still a solid player but not championship worthy.

Parting... Just fell off