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For the second time in Proleague history, the finals will be held at the Jamsil Student Gymnasium. The finals will be held on August 3rd, 17:00 KST.
Previously holding the 2011-12 SK Planet Season 1 finals between KT Rolster and SK Telecom T1, the venue was also used for the Tving OSL finals, the last Brood War Starleague.
The venue for e-Sports events holds between 7000 to 10,000 - depending on the configuration used.
Source: http://fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=134380&db=issue
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Did anyone have any doubt that it wouldn't be held there? I sure as hell didn't.
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On July 21 2013 17:00 StarStruck wrote:
Did anyone have any doubt that it wouldn't be held there? I sure as hell didn't.
I was expecting Sindorim tbh.
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On July 21 2013 17:26 xuanzue wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 17:00 StarStruck wrote:
Did anyone have any doubt that it wouldn't be held there? I sure as hell didn't. I was expecting Sindorim tbh.
Haha sad 
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I was expecting it to be held at Yongsan.
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It's a good venue. Also, amazing feat, you can buy hotdogs and nachos between the games :O
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hello guys
it might be a little bit naive from me
but it happens that i go to korea next 2 weeks for the holidays with a friend and though i am not that much a starcraft addict, i wondered if by any chance it was possible to assist to this final, or at least to a live event there in seoul?
Have any of you experienced something like this ?
I just spent 30 minutes on google looking for this kind of information but all the korean website are not translated ;(
I would love some little help.
Thank you
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I was expecting a pc bang
...basically sindorim
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stars yo gogogo beast mode activate soulkey vs bogus finals
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On July 21 2013 17:57 gorwin wrote:
hello guys
it might be a little bit naive from me
but it happens that i go to korea next 2 weeks for the holidays with a friend and though i am not that much a starcraft addict, i wondered if by any chance it was possible to assist to this final, or at least to a live event there in seoul?
Have any of you experienced something like this ?
I just spent 30 minutes on google looking for this kind of information but all the korean website are not translated ;(
I would love some little help.
Thank you
Tickets are free but you still need to pick them up. You may need to queue up the day before or in the morning to collect the tickets.
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I dont think we're getting 7k people audience. It's gonna look very empty on the match day 
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On July 21 2013 18:14 endy wrote:
Tickets are free but you still need to pick them up. You may need to queue up the day before or in the morning to collect the tickets.
Thank you for your quick answer,
so i need to go to the stadium the day before and queue a bit ? ( maybe more) and that's it?
I really thought that it would be overcrowded.
i will try to make it happen it sure should be something great 
If anyonelse reading this is planning to go there, just PM.
Thank you again Endy
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The capacity is irrelevant here, the stage and the seats will be on the field.
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wasnt wcs season1 final in the same venue?
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On July 21 2013 20:16 shin_toss wrote:
gwangalli beach!
Now that's where I'd like to see another final for PL.
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Will anyone show up?
Edit: Will more than 50-100 people show up?
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By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait!
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The exact time is Saturday, August 3, 17:00 KST. So screw your plans, get some friends over and prepare some beers
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On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait!
I view it as an old running joke.
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On July 21 2013 18:17 TAMinator wrote:I dont think we're getting 7k people audience. It's gonna look very empty on the match day
Unfortunately, I am going to have to agree with this. T_T
But if they bundled it with a LoL match...
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Iron Squid 2 managed to sell 3500+ seats within a week of sale (and those cost 35+ euros )
So i guess proleague could get at least 7000+ seats with no charges.
well i hope.
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When do they announce the matches for the finals?
I think the number of PvPs will decide how many people show up
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ITT: self deprecation.
Come on guys! It's the finals! Free of charge, I'm sure tons of people will attend for nostalgia's sake at the very least.
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wow pretty big venue. Wonder if they'll be able to fill that lol.
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On July 22 2013 00:29 shid0x wrote:
Iron Squid 2 managed to sell 3500+ seats within a week of sale (and those cost 35+ euros )
So i guess proleague could get at least 7000+ seats with no charges.
well i hope.
different location. sc2 is still fairly popular in europe, while sc2 still isn't in korea or its neightbour countries.
hoping too of course. expecting more like 500-1000 ppl though.
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On July 22 2013 01:16 BigFan wrote:
wow pretty big venue. Wonder if they'll be able to fill that lol.
It's the same one as before man.
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On July 21 2013 22:58 StarStruck wrote:Now that's where I'd like to see another final for PL.
Bring back firebathero while we're at it :D
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On July 22 2013 00:29 shid0x wrote:
Iron Squid 2 managed to sell 3500+ seats within a week of sale (and those cost 35+ euros )
So i guess proleague could get at least 7000+ seats with no charges.
well i hope.
Europeans like SC2, Koreans don't though.
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On July 22 2013 02:04 Ry2D2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 22:58 StarStruck wrote:On July 21 2013 20:16 shin_toss wrote:
gwangalli beach! Now that's where I'd like to see another final for PL. Bring back firebathero while we're at it :D
Only if he brings back his floaties.
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On July 21 2013 19:43 Killmouse wrote:
wasnt wcs season1 final in the same venue?
The WCS finals were there. I think the some of the final matches had some decent turnout, with the final match at least filling most if not all the floor space, though not the stands in the back which were partially covered with banners iirc. I think the SPL finals are going to be fine. The later rounds and the playoffs tended to have good audience turnout compared to before, so I'm not worried.
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China6331 Posts
WCS Finals, GSL Finals, GSTL Final of last year, all the major SC2 event finals all attract a whole lot of live viewers, there is nothing to worry about.
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On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait!
Not everyone wants SC2 to become some huge mainstream thing. I'd prefer a smaller, more personal community.
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On July 22 2013 02:38 Rhaegal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait! Not everyone wants SC2 to become some huge mainstream thing. I'd prefer a smaller, more personal community.
I don't care how big it gets as I only care about the games not all the stupid bs around it, but wishing for your own game to not fill seats when finals are held (of a league that has had teams disbanding for a long time now) you literally wish for the game you care about to get fucked, and that is a level of retardness I fail to comprehend.
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On July 22 2013 02:42 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 02:38 Rhaegal wrote:On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait! Not everyone wants SC2 to become some huge mainstream thing. I'd prefer a smaller, more personal community. I don't care how big it gets as I only care about the games not all the stupid bs around it
Refreshing.
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I think this is a bad move from KESPA. If they think they can bring in as big a croud as BW did they are marking their grave.
Just pick a smaller Venue and don't overcompensate.
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Reading this thread is really depressing. Holy cow people stop worrying before it even took place.
I am sure a lot of people will want to witness a PL final without a telekom team.
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On July 22 2013 02:56 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait! To me it seems like its just the old BW fans who want SC2 to fail so the pros go back to playing BW.
No I don't want them to go back to BW. Yes a couple of fresh faces playing in the SSL never hurt, but FlaSh will immediately retire after he is done with SC2. I'm actually surprised that he hasn't done so already. I mean yes it's still profitable for him to keep playing, but considering that he is already banking a couple of millions at his age and has enough time to finish school he could be the definitive winner of BW unlike some of the other ex pros who are stuck as coaches or such.
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On July 22 2013 03:00 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 02:56 Emzeeshady wrote:On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait! To me it seems like its just the old BW fans who want SC2 to fail so the pros go back to playing BW. No I don't want them to go back to BW. Yes a couple of fresh faces playing in the SSL never hurt, but FlaSh will immediately retire after he is done with SC2. I'm actually surprised that he hasn't done so already. I mean yes it's still profitable for him to keep playing, but considering that he is already banking a couple of millions at his age and has enough time to finish school he could be the definitive winner of BW unlike some of the other ex pros who are stuck as coaches or such.
Progaming is a recognized career over there, you don't just retire "because I have bank". Flash has been pretty successful in sc2 thus far (ro2/4 MLG, going to have the most PL wins, 2nd at the Asian indoor somethingsomething, ro16 twice in a row gsl/osl). While he doesn't have the same drive as he did in BW.. there's little reason for him to quit unless he outright disliked the game, which I don't believe is the case.
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If its a final, it will get a crap ton of people in the audience. Championship Sundays always have more viewers in the seats than the saturday, The show always has more than the days before.
Excited and #HYPE(d) for the SPL Finals :D Woongjin Stars, FIGHTING!
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On July 22 2013 03:03 Master of DalK wrote:
If its a final, it will get a crap ton of people in the audience. Championship Sundays always have more viewers in the seats than the saturday, The show always has more than the days before.
Excited and #HYPE(d) for the SPL Finals :D Woongjin Stars, FIGHTING!
I hope so, WCS S1 finals only managed to fill the bottom level ;;.
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On July 22 2013 03:02 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 03:00 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 02:56 Emzeeshady wrote:On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait! To me it seems like its just the old BW fans who want SC2 to fail so the pros go back to playing BW. No I don't want them to go back to BW. Yes a couple of fresh faces playing in the SSL never hurt, but FlaSh will immediately retire after he is done with SC2. I'm actually surprised that he hasn't done so already. I mean yes it's still profitable for him to keep playing, but considering that he is already banking a couple of millions at his age and has enough time to finish school he could be the definitive winner of BW unlike some of the other ex pros who are stuck as coaches or such. Progaming is a recognized career over there, you don't just retire "because I have bank". Flash has been pretty successful in sc2 thus far (ro2/4 MLG, going to have the most PL wins, 2nd at the Asian indoor somethingsomething, ro16 twice in a row gsl/osl). While he doesn't have the same drive as he did in BW.. there's little reason for him to quit unless he outright disliked the game, which I don't believe is the case.
It's simply a smart move. Progaming should never be THE final step in your life it should be a transition. FlaSh could possibly make even more money, but I personally wouldn't risk it. I mean yeah if he was 24, right now he might as well stick with whatever he is doing before he is done with college he'll be like a lot (I don't know how the Korean system works and I'm not fully sure if FlaSh finished High School or not).
And no it's not considered a career. It's just that we at TL like to think so.
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On July 22 2013 03:38 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 03:02 Zenbrez wrote:On July 22 2013 03:00 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 02:56 Emzeeshady wrote:On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait! To me it seems like its just the old BW fans who want SC2 to fail so the pros go back to playing BW. No I don't want them to go back to BW. Yes a couple of fresh faces playing in the SSL never hurt, but FlaSh will immediately retire after he is done with SC2. I'm actually surprised that he hasn't done so already. I mean yes it's still profitable for him to keep playing, but considering that he is already banking a couple of millions at his age and has enough time to finish school he could be the definitive winner of BW unlike some of the other ex pros who are stuck as coaches or such. Progaming is a recognized career over there, you don't just retire "because I have bank". Flash has been pretty successful in sc2 thus far (ro2/4 MLG, going to have the most PL wins, 2nd at the Asian indoor somethingsomething, ro16 twice in a row gsl/osl). While he doesn't have the same drive as he did in BW.. there's little reason for him to quit unless he outright disliked the game, which I don't believe is the case. It's simply a smart move. Progaming should never be THE final step in your life it should be a transition. FlaSh could possibly make even more money, but I personally wouldn't risk it. I mean yeah if he was 24, right now he might as well stick with whatever he is doing before he is done with college he'll be like a lot (I don't know how the Korean system works and I'm not fully sure if FlaSh finished High School or not). And no it's not considered a career. It's just that we at TL like to think so.
Its pretty much never a smart move to turn done 200k a year or W/e he makes in you early 20s...................
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On July 22 2013 04:07 feanor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 03:38 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 03:02 Zenbrez wrote:On July 22 2013 03:00 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 02:56 Emzeeshady wrote:On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait! To me it seems like its just the old BW fans who want SC2 to fail so the pros go back to playing BW. No I don't want them to go back to BW. Yes a couple of fresh faces playing in the SSL never hurt, but FlaSh will immediately retire after he is done with SC2. I'm actually surprised that he hasn't done so already. I mean yes it's still profitable for him to keep playing, but considering that he is already banking a couple of millions at his age and has enough time to finish school he could be the definitive winner of BW unlike some of the other ex pros who are stuck as coaches or such. Progaming is a recognized career over there, you don't just retire "because I have bank". Flash has been pretty successful in sc2 thus far (ro2/4 MLG, going to have the most PL wins, 2nd at the Asian indoor somethingsomething, ro16 twice in a row gsl/osl). While he doesn't have the same drive as he did in BW.. there's little reason for him to quit unless he outright disliked the game, which I don't believe is the case. It's simply a smart move. Progaming should never be THE final step in your life it should be a transition. FlaSh could possibly make even more money, but I personally wouldn't risk it. I mean yeah if he was 24, right now he might as well stick with whatever he is doing before he is done with college he'll be like a lot (I don't know how the Korean system works and I'm not fully sure if FlaSh finished High School or not). And no it's not considered a career. It's just that we at TL like to think so. Its pretty much never a smart move to turn done 200k a year or W/e he makes in you early 20s...................
Even if you will be stuck as a coach or maybe a janitor for the rest of your life once you are done?
FlaSh is 19 he can still do ''anything'' and he already won 3 OSLs, 3 MSLs, a WCG, a GSL (The BW one), everything from the best rookie award to the best player award and obviously loads of cash.
I'm pretty sure that he isn't more than he did probably a little bit less, but still a lot. He will need to pull out eventually and the longer he waits the more likely that he gets stuck with a bad job for the rest of his life.
Stephano is a good example of a player retiring after he has struck gold. In his case it probably wouldn't hurt to wait 1 more year and go to college after, but FlaSh hasn't even finished High School (I think), but being 19 that's not that bad especially with the bank that he has pilled up. He can easily attend High School maybe even continue progaming with a relaxed schedule for the first 1-2 years (I don't know how the system works in SK, but where I live and a lot of Europe the first couple of years don't actually matter - as in they don't affect your college application), but again I really don't know.
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On July 22 2013 04:07 feanor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 03:38 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 03:02 Zenbrez wrote:On July 22 2013 03:00 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 02:56 Emzeeshady wrote:On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait! To me it seems like its just the old BW fans who want SC2 to fail so the pros go back to playing BW. No I don't want them to go back to BW. Yes a couple of fresh faces playing in the SSL never hurt, but FlaSh will immediately retire after he is done with SC2. I'm actually surprised that he hasn't done so already. I mean yes it's still profitable for him to keep playing, but considering that he is already banking a couple of millions at his age and has enough time to finish school he could be the definitive winner of BW unlike some of the other ex pros who are stuck as coaches or such. Progaming is a recognized career over there, you don't just retire "because I have bank". Flash has been pretty successful in sc2 thus far (ro2/4 MLG, going to have the most PL wins, 2nd at the Asian indoor somethingsomething, ro16 twice in a row gsl/osl). While he doesn't have the same drive as he did in BW.. there's little reason for him to quit unless he outright disliked the game, which I don't believe is the case. It's simply a smart move. Progaming should never be THE final step in your life it should be a transition. FlaSh could possibly make even more money, but I personally wouldn't risk it. I mean yeah if he was 24, right now he might as well stick with whatever he is doing before he is done with college he'll be like a lot (I don't know how the Korean system works and I'm not fully sure if FlaSh finished High School or not). And no it's not considered a career. It's just that we at TL like to think so. Its pretty much never a smart move to turn done 200k a year or W/e he makes in you early 20s...................
They could also invest into a business, I guess, but a lot of these guys just don't seem like they are ready to do something of the sort.
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On July 22 2013 03:03 Master of DalK wrote:
If its a final, it will get a crap ton of people in the audience. Championship Sundays always have more viewers in the seats than the saturday, The show always has more than the days before.
Excited and #HYPE(d) for the SPL Finals :D Woongjin Stars, FIGHTING!
i take it you didn't watch the last pl finals
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On July 22 2013 04:31 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 04:07 feanor1 wrote:On July 22 2013 03:38 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 03:02 Zenbrez wrote:On July 22 2013 03:00 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 02:56 Emzeeshady wrote:On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait! To me it seems like its just the old BW fans who want SC2 to fail so the pros go back to playing BW. No I don't want them to go back to BW. Yes a couple of fresh faces playing in the SSL never hurt, but FlaSh will immediately retire after he is done with SC2. I'm actually surprised that he hasn't done so already. I mean yes it's still profitable for him to keep playing, but considering that he is already banking a couple of millions at his age and has enough time to finish school he could be the definitive winner of BW unlike some of the other ex pros who are stuck as coaches or such. Progaming is a recognized career over there, you don't just retire "because I have bank". Flash has been pretty successful in sc2 thus far (ro2/4 MLG, going to have the most PL wins, 2nd at the Asian indoor somethingsomething, ro16 twice in a row gsl/osl). While he doesn't have the same drive as he did in BW.. there's little reason for him to quit unless he outright disliked the game, which I don't believe is the case. It's simply a smart move. Progaming should never be THE final step in your life it should be a transition. FlaSh could possibly make even more money, but I personally wouldn't risk it. I mean yeah if he was 24, right now he might as well stick with whatever he is doing before he is done with college he'll be like a lot (I don't know how the Korean system works and I'm not fully sure if FlaSh finished High School or not). And no it's not considered a career. It's just that we at TL like to think so. Its pretty much never a smart move to turn done 200k a year or W/e he makes in you early 20s................... Even if you will be stuck as a coach or maybe a janitor for the rest of your life once you are done? FlaSh is 19 he can still do ''anything'' and he already won 3 OSLs, 3 MSLs, a WCG, a GSL (The BW one), everything from the best rookie award to the best player award and obviously loads of cash. I'm pretty sure that he isn't more than he did probably a little bit less, but still a lot. He will need to pull out eventually and the longer he waits the more likely that he gets stuck with a bad job for the rest of his life. Stephano is a good example of a player retiring after he has struck gold. In his case it probably wouldn't hurt to wait 1 more year and go to college after, but FlaSh hasn't even finished High School (I think), but being 19 that's not that bad especially with the bank that he has pilled up. He can easily attend High School maybe even continue progaming with a relaxed schedule for the first 1-2 years (I don't know how the system works in SK, but where I live and a lot of Europe the first couple of years don't actually matter - as in they don't affect your college application), but again I really don't know.
You do realize that you can go to school at any age, right?
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On July 22 2013 04:43 TheSwamp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 04:31 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 04:07 feanor1 wrote:On July 22 2013 03:38 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 03:02 Zenbrez wrote:On July 22 2013 03:00 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 02:56 Emzeeshady wrote:On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait! To me it seems like its just the old BW fans who want SC2 to fail so the pros go back to playing BW. No I don't want them to go back to BW. Yes a couple of fresh faces playing in the SSL never hurt, but FlaSh will immediately retire after he is done with SC2. I'm actually surprised that he hasn't done so already. I mean yes it's still profitable for him to keep playing, but considering that he is already banking a couple of millions at his age and has enough time to finish school he could be the definitive winner of BW unlike some of the other ex pros who are stuck as coaches or such. Progaming is a recognized career over there, you don't just retire "because I have bank". Flash has been pretty successful in sc2 thus far (ro2/4 MLG, going to have the most PL wins, 2nd at the Asian indoor somethingsomething, ro16 twice in a row gsl/osl). While he doesn't have the same drive as he did in BW.. there's little reason for him to quit unless he outright disliked the game, which I don't believe is the case. It's simply a smart move. Progaming should never be THE final step in your life it should be a transition. FlaSh could possibly make even more money, but I personally wouldn't risk it. I mean yeah if he was 24, right now he might as well stick with whatever he is doing before he is done with college he'll be like a lot (I don't know how the Korean system works and I'm not fully sure if FlaSh finished High School or not). And no it's not considered a career. It's just that we at TL like to think so. Its pretty much never a smart move to turn done 200k a year or W/e he makes in you early 20s................... Even if you will be stuck as a coach or maybe a janitor for the rest of your life once you are done? FlaSh is 19 he can still do ''anything'' and he already won 3 OSLs, 3 MSLs, a WCG, a GSL (The BW one), everything from the best rookie award to the best player award and obviously loads of cash. I'm pretty sure that he isn't more than he did probably a little bit less, but still a lot. He will need to pull out eventually and the longer he waits the more likely that he gets stuck with a bad job for the rest of his life. Stephano is a good example of a player retiring after he has struck gold. In his case it probably wouldn't hurt to wait 1 more year and go to college after, but FlaSh hasn't even finished High School (I think), but being 19 that's not that bad especially with the bank that he has pilled up. He can easily attend High School maybe even continue progaming with a relaxed schedule for the first 1-2 years (I don't know how the system works in SK, but where I live and a lot of Europe the first couple of years don't actually matter - as in they don't affect your college application), but again I really don't know. You do realize that you can go to school at any age, right?
Why are people arguing about Flash's future? He can do whatever the fuck he wants to do. Who cares if he gets a "bad" job? Slavery is slavery, how much green paper you get doesn't make some forms of slavery better than others. If Starcraft makes him happy, so be it.
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On July 22 2013 04:55 Rhaegal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 04:43 TheSwamp wrote:On July 22 2013 04:31 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 04:07 feanor1 wrote:On July 22 2013 03:38 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 03:02 Zenbrez wrote:On July 22 2013 03:00 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 02:56 Emzeeshady wrote:On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait! To me it seems like its just the old BW fans who want SC2 to fail so the pros go back to playing BW. No I don't want them to go back to BW. Yes a couple of fresh faces playing in the SSL never hurt, but FlaSh will immediately retire after he is done with SC2. I'm actually surprised that he hasn't done so already. I mean yes it's still profitable for him to keep playing, but considering that he is already banking a couple of millions at his age and has enough time to finish school he could be the definitive winner of BW unlike some of the other ex pros who are stuck as coaches or such. Progaming is a recognized career over there, you don't just retire "because I have bank". Flash has been pretty successful in sc2 thus far (ro2/4 MLG, going to have the most PL wins, 2nd at the Asian indoor somethingsomething, ro16 twice in a row gsl/osl). While he doesn't have the same drive as he did in BW.. there's little reason for him to quit unless he outright disliked the game, which I don't believe is the case. It's simply a smart move. Progaming should never be THE final step in your life it should be a transition. FlaSh could possibly make even more money, but I personally wouldn't risk it. I mean yeah if he was 24, right now he might as well stick with whatever he is doing before he is done with college he'll be like a lot (I don't know how the Korean system works and I'm not fully sure if FlaSh finished High School or not). And no it's not considered a career. It's just that we at TL like to think so. Its pretty much never a smart move to turn done 200k a year or W/e he makes in you early 20s................... Even if you will be stuck as a coach or maybe a janitor for the rest of your life once you are done? FlaSh is 19 he can still do ''anything'' and he already won 3 OSLs, 3 MSLs, a WCG, a GSL (The BW one), everything from the best rookie award to the best player award and obviously loads of cash. I'm pretty sure that he isn't more than he did probably a little bit less, but still a lot. He will need to pull out eventually and the longer he waits the more likely that he gets stuck with a bad job for the rest of his life. Stephano is a good example of a player retiring after he has struck gold. In his case it probably wouldn't hurt to wait 1 more year and go to college after, but FlaSh hasn't even finished High School (I think), but being 19 that's not that bad especially with the bank that he has pilled up. He can easily attend High School maybe even continue progaming with a relaxed schedule for the first 1-2 years (I don't know how the system works in SK, but where I live and a lot of Europe the first couple of years don't actually matter - as in they don't affect your college application), but again I really don't know. You do realize that you can go to school at any age, right? Why are people arguing about Flash's future? He can do whatever the fuck he wants to do. Who cares if he gets a "bad" job? Slavery is slavery, how much green paper you get doesn't make some forms of slavery better than others. If Starcraft makes him happy, so be it.
Slavery is an interesting choice...
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Honestly given the fact that the kr sc2 teamscene is divided between esf and kepa I would not be surprised to see low attendence.One of the main,if not the only thing that is keeping sc2 behind in korea is the fact that at team level the talent is divided between 2 organizations so when you watch a sc2 team competition you know that you will not see the best players competing against each other.Yeah I know kespa has lots of good players but you want to actually see ALL the good players divided into teams and playing against each other.Hopefully when the esf-kepa ban ends we will have a unified korean team scene and then attendence and viewership will rise exponentially.It aint sc2 itself that is not very popular in korea it is the politics behind the sc2 organizations.
P.S:for those talking about attendence may I remind you that the last major sc2 competitions aka dreamhacks,mlgs,OSLs,GSLs had a packed house and there were no empty seats. .Yeah I know at team level politics is keeping the scene back in korea but when this will be solved you are going to see packed house again at teamlevel.
P.S2:i see a lot of people bitching about wcs finals.I dunno what you guys were watching but when I watched the wcs finals it was a packed house and eveybody who posted pics showed a packed house.I understand the sc2 dying thing is trendy but at least get your facts straight.
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my 'sources' tells me that not many people will turn up to this event.
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On July 22 2013 04:43 TheSwamp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 04:31 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 04:07 feanor1 wrote:On July 22 2013 03:38 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 03:02 Zenbrez wrote:On July 22 2013 03:00 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 02:56 Emzeeshady wrote:On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait! To me it seems like its just the old BW fans who want SC2 to fail so the pros go back to playing BW. No I don't want them to go back to BW. Yes a couple of fresh faces playing in the SSL never hurt, but FlaSh will immediately retire after he is done with SC2. I'm actually surprised that he hasn't done so already. I mean yes it's still profitable for him to keep playing, but considering that he is already banking a couple of millions at his age and has enough time to finish school he could be the definitive winner of BW unlike some of the other ex pros who are stuck as coaches or such. Progaming is a recognized career over there, you don't just retire "because I have bank". Flash has been pretty successful in sc2 thus far (ro2/4 MLG, going to have the most PL wins, 2nd at the Asian indoor somethingsomething, ro16 twice in a row gsl/osl). While he doesn't have the same drive as he did in BW.. there's little reason for him to quit unless he outright disliked the game, which I don't believe is the case. It's simply a smart move. Progaming should never be THE final step in your life it should be a transition. FlaSh could possibly make even more money, but I personally wouldn't risk it. I mean yeah if he was 24, right now he might as well stick with whatever he is doing before he is done with college he'll be like a lot (I don't know how the Korean system works and I'm not fully sure if FlaSh finished High School or not). And no it's not considered a career. It's just that we at TL like to think so. Its pretty much never a smart move to turn done 200k a year or W/e he makes in you early 20s................... Even if you will be stuck as a coach or maybe a janitor for the rest of your life once you are done? FlaSh is 19 he can still do ''anything'' and he already won 3 OSLs, 3 MSLs, a WCG, a GSL (The BW one), everything from the best rookie award to the best player award and obviously loads of cash. I'm pretty sure that he isn't more than he did probably a little bit less, but still a lot. He will need to pull out eventually and the longer he waits the more likely that he gets stuck with a bad job for the rest of his life. Stephano is a good example of a player retiring after he has struck gold. In his case it probably wouldn't hurt to wait 1 more year and go to college after, but FlaSh hasn't even finished High School (I think), but being 19 that's not that bad especially with the bank that he has pilled up. He can easily attend High School maybe even continue progaming with a relaxed schedule for the first 1-2 years (I don't know how the system works in SK, but where I live and a lot of Europe the first couple of years don't actually matter - as in they don't affect your college application), but again I really don't know. You do realize that you can go to school at any age, right?
You do realize that humans don't live forever and going to school just before you drop dead is economically unsound.
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Yada yada dead game no one will watch sc2 dead yada yada
Come on guys, the WCS Season Finals had pretty good attendance, PL can probably at least match it
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On July 22 2013 02:42 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 02:38 Rhaegal wrote:On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait! Not everyone wants SC2 to become some huge mainstream thing. I'd prefer a smaller, more personal community. I don't care how big it gets as I only care about the games not all the stupid bs around it, but wishing for your own game to not fill seats when finals are held (of a league that has had teams disbanding for a long time now) you literally wish for the game you care about to get fucked, and that is a level of retardness I fail to comprehend.
Agreed, the negativity on these boards from members of It's own community is disgusting. I can understand seeing posts like this in the dota or league sections but not here.
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On July 22 2013 06:04 theking1 wrote:Honestly given the fact that the kr sc2 teamscene is divided between esf and kepa I would not be surprised to see low attendence.One of the main,if not the only thing that is keeping sc2 behind in korea is the fact that at team level the talent is divided between 2 organizations so when you watch a sc2 team competition you know that you will not see the best players competing against each other.Yeah I know kespa has lots of good players but you want to actually see ALL the good players divided into teams and playing against each other.Hopefully when the esf-kepa ban ends we will have a unified korean team scene and then attendence and viewership will rise exponentially.It aint sc2 itself that is not very popular in korea it is the politics behind the sc2 organizations. P.S:for those talking about attendence may I remind you that the last major sc2 competitions aka dreamhacks,mlgs,OSLs,GSLs had a packed house and there were no empty seats. .Yeah I know at team level politics is keeping the scene back in korea but when this will be solved you are going to see packed house again at teamlevel. P.S2:i see a lot of people bitching about wcs finals.I dunno what you guys were watching but when I watched the wcs finals it was a packed house and eveybody who posted pics showed a packed house.I understand the sc2 dying thing is trendy but at least get your facts straight.
That would be a good argument for bad attendance, but you forget the fact that Brood War was historically driven by marketing (KT pouring loads of money into selling their brand etc etc). It builds hype something that the GSL is just not capable of. Whatever viewership decided to transition from BW to SC2 probably watches OGN. GSL was NEVER popular in Korea. It was always driven by foreign viewership.
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On July 22 2013 03:00 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 02:56 Emzeeshady wrote:On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait! To me it seems like its just the old BW fans who want SC2 to fail so the pros go back to playing BW. No I don't want them to go back to BW. Yes a couple of fresh faces playing in the SSL never hurt, but FlaSh will immediately retire after he is done with SC2. I'm actually surprised that he hasn't done so already. I mean yes it's still profitable for him to keep playing, but considering that he is already banking a couple of millions at his age and has enough time to finish school he could be the definitive winner of BW unlike some of the other ex pros who are stuck as coaches or such.
maybe he likes being a pro gamer and playing starcraft 2? ever considered that?
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On July 22 2013 06:12 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 03:00 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 02:56 Emzeeshady wrote:On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait! To me it seems like its just the old BW fans who want SC2 to fail so the pros go back to playing BW. No I don't want them to go back to BW. Yes a couple of fresh faces playing in the SSL never hurt, but FlaSh will immediately retire after he is done with SC2. I'm actually surprised that he hasn't done so already. I mean yes it's still profitable for him to keep playing, but considering that he is already banking a couple of millions at his age and has enough time to finish school he could be the definitive winner of BW unlike some of the other ex pros who are stuck as coaches or such. maybe he likes being a pro gamer and playing starcraft 2? ever considered that?
Have. I'm 90/10 in favor of him staying for the money and tolerating SC2. I don't even think these players were still passionate of BW after 3-4 years of playing. What they did care for was the competition/the fans/the team
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On July 22 2013 04:31 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 04:07 feanor1 wrote:On July 22 2013 03:38 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 03:02 Zenbrez wrote:On July 22 2013 03:00 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 02:56 Emzeeshady wrote:On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait! To me it seems like its just the old BW fans who want SC2 to fail so the pros go back to playing BW. No I don't want them to go back to BW. Yes a couple of fresh faces playing in the SSL never hurt, but FlaSh will immediately retire after he is done with SC2. I'm actually surprised that he hasn't done so already. I mean yes it's still profitable for him to keep playing, but considering that he is already banking a couple of millions at his age and has enough time to finish school he could be the definitive winner of BW unlike some of the other ex pros who are stuck as coaches or such. Progaming is a recognized career over there, you don't just retire "because I have bank". Flash has been pretty successful in sc2 thus far (ro2/4 MLG, going to have the most PL wins, 2nd at the Asian indoor somethingsomething, ro16 twice in a row gsl/osl). While he doesn't have the same drive as he did in BW.. there's little reason for him to quit unless he outright disliked the game, which I don't believe is the case. It's simply a smart move. Progaming should never be THE final step in your life it should be a transition. FlaSh could possibly make even more money, but I personally wouldn't risk it. I mean yeah if he was 24, right now he might as well stick with whatever he is doing before he is done with college he'll be like a lot (I don't know how the Korean system works and I'm not fully sure if FlaSh finished High School or not). And no it's not considered a career. It's just that we at TL like to think so. Its pretty much never a smart move to turn done 200k a year or W/e he makes in you early 20s................... Even if you will be stuck as a coach or maybe a janitor for the rest of your life once you are done? FlaSh is 19 he can still do ''anything'' and he already won 3 OSLs, 3 MSLs, a WCG, a GSL (The BW one), everything from the best rookie award to the best player award and obviously loads of cash. I'm pretty sure that he isn't more than he did probably a little bit less, but still a lot. He will need to pull out eventually and the longer he waits the more likely that he gets stuck with a bad job for the rest of his life. Stephano is a good example of a player retiring after he has struck gold. In his case it probably wouldn't hurt to wait 1 more year and go to college after, but FlaSh hasn't even finished High School (I think), but being 19 that's not that bad especially with the bank that he has pilled up. He can easily attend High School maybe even continue progaming with a relaxed schedule for the first 1-2 years (I don't know how the system works in SK, but where I live and a lot of Europe the first couple of years don't actually matter - as in they don't affect your college application), but again I really don't know.
Flash completed high school. Also, he's still young. Very young. Sure, he has ~2 years of military service, but when you're making his wage, why would you go to college? College will still be there when the money stops coming. In all likelihood, he will make less after graduating college, if he goes, than he does now.
And besides, who are any of us to criticize what he's doing with his life or even discuss what options he has and "should" take.
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On July 22 2013 06:17 Gorilla23 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 04:31 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 04:07 feanor1 wrote:On July 22 2013 03:38 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 03:02 Zenbrez wrote:On July 22 2013 03:00 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 02:56 Emzeeshady wrote:On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait! To me it seems like its just the old BW fans who want SC2 to fail so the pros go back to playing BW. No I don't want them to go back to BW. Yes a couple of fresh faces playing in the SSL never hurt, but FlaSh will immediately retire after he is done with SC2. I'm actually surprised that he hasn't done so already. I mean yes it's still profitable for him to keep playing, but considering that he is already banking a couple of millions at his age and has enough time to finish school he could be the definitive winner of BW unlike some of the other ex pros who are stuck as coaches or such. Progaming is a recognized career over there, you don't just retire "because I have bank". Flash has been pretty successful in sc2 thus far (ro2/4 MLG, going to have the most PL wins, 2nd at the Asian indoor somethingsomething, ro16 twice in a row gsl/osl). While he doesn't have the same drive as he did in BW.. there's little reason for him to quit unless he outright disliked the game, which I don't believe is the case. It's simply a smart move. Progaming should never be THE final step in your life it should be a transition. FlaSh could possibly make even more money, but I personally wouldn't risk it. I mean yeah if he was 24, right now he might as well stick with whatever he is doing before he is done with college he'll be like a lot (I don't know how the Korean system works and I'm not fully sure if FlaSh finished High School or not). And no it's not considered a career. It's just that we at TL like to think so. Its pretty much never a smart move to turn done 200k a year or W/e he makes in you early 20s................... Even if you will be stuck as a coach or maybe a janitor for the rest of your life once you are done? FlaSh is 19 he can still do ''anything'' and he already won 3 OSLs, 3 MSLs, a WCG, a GSL (The BW one), everything from the best rookie award to the best player award and obviously loads of cash. I'm pretty sure that he isn't more than he did probably a little bit less, but still a lot. He will need to pull out eventually and the longer he waits the more likely that he gets stuck with a bad job for the rest of his life. Stephano is a good example of a player retiring after he has struck gold. In his case it probably wouldn't hurt to wait 1 more year and go to college after, but FlaSh hasn't even finished High School (I think), but being 19 that's not that bad especially with the bank that he has pilled up. He can easily attend High School maybe even continue progaming with a relaxed schedule for the first 1-2 years (I don't know how the system works in SK, but where I live and a lot of Europe the first couple of years don't actually matter - as in they don't affect your college application), but again I really don't know. Flash completed high school. Also, he's still young. Very young. Sure, he has ~2 years of military service, but when you're making his wage, why would you go to college? College will still be there when the money stops coming. In all likelihood, he will make less after graduating college, if he goes, than he does now. And besides, who are any of us to criticize what he's doing with his life or even discuss what options he has and "should" take.
I love SC2 as much as the next guy (probably not I like it, but I much prefer BW), but a progaming career is always a sinking ship you just need to jump off at the right time before it bombs.
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On July 22 2013 06:17 Gorilla23 wrote:
And besides, who are any of us to criticize what he's doing with his life or even discuss what options he has and "should" take.
Wait, you mean when people on TL suggest what other people should do they're not certified life coaches instead of people who think happiness and success is only about how big your bank account is? Say it isn't so.
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On July 22 2013 06:10 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 06:04 theking1 wrote:Honestly given the fact that the kr sc2 teamscene is divided between esf and kepa I would not be surprised to see low attendence.One of the main,if not the only thing that is keeping sc2 behind in korea is the fact that at team level the talent is divided between 2 organizations so when you watch a sc2 team competition you know that you will not see the best players competing against each other.Yeah I know kespa has lots of good players but you want to actually see ALL the good players divided into teams and playing against each other.Hopefully when the esf-kepa ban ends we will have a unified korean team scene and then attendence and viewership will rise exponentially.It aint sc2 itself that is not very popular in korea it is the politics behind the sc2 organizations. P.S:for those talking about attendence may I remind you that the last major sc2 competitions aka dreamhacks,mlgs,OSLs,GSLs had a packed house and there were no empty seats. .Yeah I know at team level politics is keeping the scene back in korea but when this will be solved you are going to see packed house again at teamlevel. P.S2:i see a lot of people bitching about wcs finals.I dunno what you guys were watching but when I watched the wcs finals it was a packed house and eveybody who posted pics showed a packed house.I understand the sc2 dying thing is trendy but at least get your facts straight. That would be a good argument for bad attendance, but you forget the fact that Brood War was historically driven by marketing (KT pouring loads of money into selling their brand etc etc). It builds hype something that the GSL is just not capable of. Whatever viewership decided to transition from BW to SC2 probably watches OGN. GSL was NEVER popular in Korea. It was always driven by foreign viewership.
Although i agree with the importance of OGN I do not think GSL is as small as everybody think it is. I have not seen any numbers yet but somebody here was mentioning the number of 1 million viewers per gsl match on their player(dunno if that is true or not).Also I have not seen any numbers to compare the viewersip of gsl to that of ogn.OGn being a regular television probably has higher viewership and reach but GSL is still a good organization with many viewers and until I do not see number proving otherwise I am not going to degrade them in any way
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On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait!
So true, even if it's a joke - it's pretty pathetic. I do have my skepticism seeing as whenever you see who's there at the venue for regular proleague matches, it's not exactly packed. But now that it's the finals, hopefully there will be more people interested and seats will fill up. But seeing how "empty" it looked with SC2's first OSL finals last year, as well as the upper deck seats completely empty or tarped off in WCS S1 finals as well. I have my doubts.
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On July 22 2013 04:43 rift wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 03:03 Master of DalK wrote:
If its a final, it will get a crap ton of people in the audience. Championship Sundays always have more viewers in the seats than the saturday, The show always has more than the days before.
Excited and #HYPE(d) for the SPL Finals :D Woongjin Stars, FIGHTING! i take it you didn't watch the last pl finals
I did, but the Hybrid Proleague was messed up in general because of the whole Hybrid Proleague thing.
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On July 22 2013 04:43 rift wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 03:03 Master of DalK wrote:
If its a final, it will get a crap ton of people in the audience. Championship Sundays always have more viewers in the seats than the saturday, The show always has more than the days before.
Excited and #HYPE(d) for the SPL Finals :D Woongjin Stars, FIGHTING! i take it you didn't watch the last pl finals
I don't think you can take use that abomination known as hybrid PL as argument.
You had a tournament where the players were not 100% in either game resulting in some...interesting matches.
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A bunch of really pathetic people here wishing for an industry to fail and a bunch of people to lose their livelihoods.
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Bisutopia19366 Posts
This is where the SSL was held to. Nice venue and it makes me even more proud of Sonic. I hope they don't spend toomuch effort. WJS is just gonna 4-0 anyway.
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On July 22 2013 13:24 BisuDagger wrote:
This is where the SSL was held to. Nice venue and it makes me even more proud of Sonic. I hope they don't spend toomuch effort. WJS is just gonna 4-0 anyway.
no it wasn't. sonic decided that it wasn't worth having such a big venue as it wouldn't fill so they switched it to a much smaller one. (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=412436)
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On July 22 2013 13:24 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 13:24 BisuDagger wrote:
This is where the SSL was held to. Nice venue and it makes me even more proud of Sonic. I hope they don't spend toomuch effort. WJS is just gonna 4-0 anyway. no it wasn't. sonic decided that it wasn't worth having such a big venue as it wouldn't fill so they switched it to a much smaller one.
Oh ok. I thought it was the same gym but they just used the down stairs to fill. Thanks for the info.
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On July 22 2013 13:24 BisuDagger wrote:
This is where the SSL was held to. Nice venue and it makes me even more proud of Sonic. I hope they don't spend toomuch effort. WJS is just gonna 4-0 anyway.
Is that your way of pulling a Fionn? 
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Cant wait for this crazy finals
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ahh nice it stars 17.00 korean time. Me so happy!
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Can't wait for this! Time is decent for me, I'll definitely make sure to watch it live. There is no doubt in my mind that this will be a great event.
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On July 21 2013 20:16 shin_toss wrote:
gwangalli beach!
OSL finals the next week, imo. It makes perfect sense.
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I wish I'd be still in seoul
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On July 22 2013 04:31 thezanursic wrote:
Stephano is a good example of a player retiring after he has struck gold. In his case it probably wouldn't hurt to wait 1 more year and go to college after, but FlaSh hasn't even finished High School (I think), but being 19 that's not that bad especially with the bank that he has pilled up. He can easily attend High School maybe even continue progaming with a relaxed schedule for the first 1-2 years (I don't know how the system works in SK, but where I live and a lot of Europe the first couple of years don't actually matter - as in they don't affect your college application), but again I really don't know.
Are you Flash's parents? What is your background? Why should a Korean, working in a segment of the entertainment industry, have to live your European cookie cutter way of life? Is spending a couple lazy years in high school really that important? Maybe you see value in that, but some don't. Please understand that not every single person can spur prosperity in the same environment. In other words, what works for you, doesn't always work for everyone else.
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Does anyone who's been to a GSL or SPL match in person mind letting me know how many seats were filled out of wherever the games were played? It seems to me that it's unlikely to have the stadium "look," empty because it IS the SPL, but then again I've been wrong before.
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On July 23 2013 06:31 SonZHi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 04:31 thezanursic wrote:
Stephano is a good example of a player retiring after he has struck gold. In his case it probably wouldn't hurt to wait 1 more year and go to college after, but FlaSh hasn't even finished High School (I think), but being 19 that's not that bad especially with the bank that he has pilled up. He can easily attend High School maybe even continue progaming with a relaxed schedule for the first 1-2 years (I don't know how the system works in SK, but where I live and a lot of Europe the first couple of years don't actually matter - as in they don't affect your college application), but again I really don't know. Are you Flash's parents? What is your background? Why should a Korean, working in a segment of the entertainment industry, have to live your European cookie cutter way of life? Is spending a couple lazy years in high school really that important? Maybe you see value in that, but some don't. Please understand that not every single person can spur prosperity in the same environment. In other words, what works for you, doesn't always work for everyone else.
Also I believe that FlaSh finished high school as well. It's supposedly not uncommon for KeSPA progamers to do part-time studies at a high school when they're pro-gaming.
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On July 22 2013 21:38 mystpoke wrote:OSL finals the next week, imo. It makes perfect sense.
I'm guessing the League Champions finals will be at Gwangali. OSL will probably just be at Kintex.
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On July 21 2013 17:54 endy wrote:
It's a good venue. Also, amazing feat, you can buy hotdogs and nachos between the games :O
:D most important thing!
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On July 22 2013 06:23 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 06:17 Gorilla23 wrote:On July 22 2013 04:31 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 04:07 feanor1 wrote:On July 22 2013 03:38 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 03:02 Zenbrez wrote:On July 22 2013 03:00 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 02:56 Emzeeshady wrote:On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait! To me it seems like its just the old BW fans who want SC2 to fail so the pros go back to playing BW. No I don't want them to go back to BW. Yes a couple of fresh faces playing in the SSL never hurt, but FlaSh will immediately retire after he is done with SC2. I'm actually surprised that he hasn't done so already. I mean yes it's still profitable for him to keep playing, but considering that he is already banking a couple of millions at his age and has enough time to finish school he could be the definitive winner of BW unlike some of the other ex pros who are stuck as coaches or such. Progaming is a recognized career over there, you don't just retire "because I have bank". Flash has been pretty successful in sc2 thus far (ro2/4 MLG, going to have the most PL wins, 2nd at the Asian indoor somethingsomething, ro16 twice in a row gsl/osl). While he doesn't have the same drive as he did in BW.. there's little reason for him to quit unless he outright disliked the game, which I don't believe is the case. It's simply a smart move. Progaming should never be THE final step in your life it should be a transition. FlaSh could possibly make even more money, but I personally wouldn't risk it. I mean yeah if he was 24, right now he might as well stick with whatever he is doing before he is done with college he'll be like a lot (I don't know how the Korean system works and I'm not fully sure if FlaSh finished High School or not). And no it's not considered a career. It's just that we at TL like to think so. Its pretty much never a smart move to turn done 200k a year or W/e he makes in you early 20s................... Even if you will be stuck as a coach or maybe a janitor for the rest of your life once you are done? FlaSh is 19 he can still do ''anything'' and he already won 3 OSLs, 3 MSLs, a WCG, a GSL (The BW one), everything from the best rookie award to the best player award and obviously loads of cash. I'm pretty sure that he isn't more than he did probably a little bit less, but still a lot. He will need to pull out eventually and the longer he waits the more likely that he gets stuck with a bad job for the rest of his life. Stephano is a good example of a player retiring after he has struck gold. In his case it probably wouldn't hurt to wait 1 more year and go to college after, but FlaSh hasn't even finished High School (I think), but being 19 that's not that bad especially with the bank that he has pilled up. He can easily attend High School maybe even continue progaming with a relaxed schedule for the first 1-2 years (I don't know how the system works in SK, but where I live and a lot of Europe the first couple of years don't actually matter - as in they don't affect your college application), but again I really don't know. Flash completed high school. Also, he's still young. Very young. Sure, he has ~2 years of military service, but when you're making his wage, why would you go to college? College will still be there when the money stops coming. In all likelihood, he will make less after graduating college, if he goes, than he does now. And besides, who are any of us to criticize what he's doing with his life or even discuss what options he has and "should" take. I love SC2 as much as the next guy (probably not I like it, but I much prefer BW), but a progaming career is always a sinking ship you just need to jump off at the right time before it bombs.
Always a sinking ship? Yeah right.. I mean just look at Boxer. Oh wait...
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Is there a place to sign up for TL-foreigner seats like the WCS finals?
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On July 24 2013 22:17 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 06:23 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 06:17 Gorilla23 wrote:On July 22 2013 04:31 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 04:07 feanor1 wrote:On July 22 2013 03:38 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 03:02 Zenbrez wrote:On July 22 2013 03:00 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 02:56 Emzeeshady wrote:On July 21 2013 23:16 Lorch wrote:
By reading this thread one may assume people on tl suffer from heavy mental illness...
I'ts gonna be sick, no it's not gonna be 50 people there, you guys need to stop wishing for star 2 to die in korea, it's getting really fucking sad. What kind of a fucked up community are we when most of us wish for our own game to be dead?
OT: Sick that it's gonna be there, can't wait! To me it seems like its just the old BW fans who want SC2 to fail so the pros go back to playing BW. No I don't want them to go back to BW. Yes a couple of fresh faces playing in the SSL never hurt, but FlaSh will immediately retire after he is done with SC2. I'm actually surprised that he hasn't done so already. I mean yes it's still profitable for him to keep playing, but considering that he is already banking a couple of millions at his age and has enough time to finish school he could be the definitive winner of BW unlike some of the other ex pros who are stuck as coaches or such. Progaming is a recognized career over there, you don't just retire "because I have bank". Flash has been pretty successful in sc2 thus far (ro2/4 MLG, going to have the most PL wins, 2nd at the Asian indoor somethingsomething, ro16 twice in a row gsl/osl). While he doesn't have the same drive as he did in BW.. there's little reason for him to quit unless he outright disliked the game, which I don't believe is the case. It's simply a smart move. Progaming should never be THE final step in your life it should be a transition. FlaSh could possibly make even more money, but I personally wouldn't risk it. I mean yeah if he was 24, right now he might as well stick with whatever he is doing before he is done with college he'll be like a lot (I don't know how the Korean system works and I'm not fully sure if FlaSh finished High School or not). And no it's not considered a career. It's just that we at TL like to think so. Its pretty much never a smart move to turn done 200k a year or W/e he makes in you early 20s................... Even if you will be stuck as a coach or maybe a janitor for the rest of your life once you are done? FlaSh is 19 he can still do ''anything'' and he already won 3 OSLs, 3 MSLs, a WCG, a GSL (The BW one), everything from the best rookie award to the best player award and obviously loads of cash. I'm pretty sure that he isn't more than he did probably a little bit less, but still a lot. He will need to pull out eventually and the longer he waits the more likely that he gets stuck with a bad job for the rest of his life. Stephano is a good example of a player retiring after he has struck gold. In his case it probably wouldn't hurt to wait 1 more year and go to college after, but FlaSh hasn't even finished High School (I think), but being 19 that's not that bad especially with the bank that he has pilled up. He can easily attend High School maybe even continue progaming with a relaxed schedule for the first 1-2 years (I don't know how the system works in SK, but where I live and a lot of Europe the first couple of years don't actually matter - as in they don't affect your college application), but again I really don't know. Flash completed high school. Also, he's still young. Very young. Sure, he has ~2 years of military service, but when you're making his wage, why would you go to college? College will still be there when the money stops coming. In all likelihood, he will make less after graduating college, if he goes, than he does now. And besides, who are any of us to criticize what he's doing with his life or even discuss what options he has and "should" take. I love SC2 as much as the next guy (probably not I like it, but I much prefer BW), but a progaming career is always a sinking ship you just need to jump off at the right time before it bombs. Always a sinking ship? Yeah right.. I mean just look at Boxer. Oh wait...
That's like saying dropping out of university isn't always a bad choice because Bill Gates made it big.
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On July 29 2013 22:21 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 22:17 c0ldfusion wrote:On July 22 2013 06:23 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 06:17 Gorilla23 wrote:On July 22 2013 04:31 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 04:07 feanor1 wrote:On July 22 2013 03:38 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 03:02 Zenbrez wrote:On July 22 2013 03:00 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 02:56 Emzeeshady wrote:
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To me it seems like its just the old BW fans who want SC2 to fail so the pros go back to playing BW.
No I don't want them to go back to BW. Yes a couple of fresh faces playing in the SSL never hurt, but FlaSh will immediately retire after he is done with SC2. I'm actually surprised that he hasn't done so already. I mean yes it's still profitable for him to keep playing, but considering that he is already banking a couple of millions at his age and has enough time to finish school he could be the definitive winner of BW unlike some of the other ex pros who are stuck as coaches or such. Progaming is a recognized career over there, you don't just retire "because I have bank". Flash has been pretty successful in sc2 thus far (ro2/4 MLG, going to have the most PL wins, 2nd at the Asian indoor somethingsomething, ro16 twice in a row gsl/osl). While he doesn't have the same drive as he did in BW.. there's little reason for him to quit unless he outright disliked the game, which I don't believe is the case. It's simply a smart move. Progaming should never be THE final step in your life it should be a transition. FlaSh could possibly make even more money, but I personally wouldn't risk it. I mean yeah if he was 24, right now he might as well stick with whatever he is doing before he is done with college he'll be like a lot (I don't know how the Korean system works and I'm not fully sure if FlaSh finished High School or not). And no it's not considered a career. It's just that we at TL like to think so. Its pretty much never a smart move to turn done 200k a year or W/e he makes in you early 20s................... Even if you will be stuck as a coach or maybe a janitor for the rest of your life once you are done? FlaSh is 19 he can still do ''anything'' and he already won 3 OSLs, 3 MSLs, a WCG, a GSL (The BW one), everything from the best rookie award to the best player award and obviously loads of cash. I'm pretty sure that he isn't more than he did probably a little bit less, but still a lot. He will need to pull out eventually and the longer he waits the more likely that he gets stuck with a bad job for the rest of his life. Stephano is a good example of a player retiring after he has struck gold. In his case it probably wouldn't hurt to wait 1 more year and go to college after, but FlaSh hasn't even finished High School (I think), but being 19 that's not that bad especially with the bank that he has pilled up. He can easily attend High School maybe even continue progaming with a relaxed schedule for the first 1-2 years (I don't know how the system works in SK, but where I live and a lot of Europe the first couple of years don't actually matter - as in they don't affect your college application), but again I really don't know. Flash completed high school. Also, he's still young. Very young. Sure, he has ~2 years of military service, but when you're making his wage, why would you go to college? College will still be there when the money stops coming. In all likelihood, he will make less after graduating college, if he goes, than he does now. And besides, who are any of us to criticize what he's doing with his life or even discuss what options he has and "should" take. I love SC2 as much as the next guy (probably not I like it, but I much prefer BW), but a progaming career is always a sinking ship you just need to jump off at the right time before it bombs. Always a sinking ship? Yeah right.. I mean just look at Boxer. Oh wait... That's like saying dropping out of university isn't always a bad choice because Bill Gates made it big.
Your sentence is a contradiction in of itself. Always being the operative word there.
(And actually yes, if you're truly exceptional, college is a waste of time. Bill Gates isn't the only example. You may have heard of Steve Jobs, I'm sure.)
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On July 29 2013 22:27 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 22:21 bo1b wrote:On July 24 2013 22:17 c0ldfusion wrote:On July 22 2013 06:23 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 06:17 Gorilla23 wrote:On July 22 2013 04:31 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 04:07 feanor1 wrote:On July 22 2013 03:38 thezanursic wrote:On July 22 2013 03:02 Zenbrez wrote:On July 22 2013 03:00 thezanursic wrote:
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No I don't want them to go back to BW. Yes a couple of fresh faces playing in the SSL never hurt, but FlaSh will immediately retire after he is done with SC2. I'm actually surprised that he hasn't done so already. I mean yes it's still profitable for him to keep playing, but considering that he is already banking a couple of millions at his age and has enough time to finish school he could be the definitive winner of BW unlike some of the other ex pros who are stuck as coaches or such. Progaming is a recognized career over there, you don't just retire "because I have bank". Flash has been pretty successful in sc2 thus far (ro2/4 MLG, going to have the most PL wins, 2nd at the Asian indoor somethingsomething, ro16 twice in a row gsl/osl). While he doesn't have the same drive as he did in BW.. there's little reason for him to quit unless he outright disliked the game, which I don't believe is the case. It's simply a smart move. Progaming should never be THE final step in your life it should be a transition. FlaSh could possibly make even more money, but I personally wouldn't risk it. I mean yeah if he was 24, right now he might as well stick with whatever he is doing before he is done with college he'll be like a lot (I don't know how the Korean system works and I'm not fully sure if FlaSh finished High School or not). And no it's not considered a career. It's just that we at TL like to think so. Its pretty much never a smart move to turn done 200k a year or W/e he makes in you early 20s................... Even if you will be stuck as a coach or maybe a janitor for the rest of your life once you are done? FlaSh is 19 he can still do ''anything'' and he already won 3 OSLs, 3 MSLs, a WCG, a GSL (The BW one), everything from the best rookie award to the best player award and obviously loads of cash. I'm pretty sure that he isn't more than he did probably a little bit less, but still a lot. He will need to pull out eventually and the longer he waits the more likely that he gets stuck with a bad job for the rest of his life. Stephano is a good example of a player retiring after he has struck gold. In his case it probably wouldn't hurt to wait 1 more year and go to college after, but FlaSh hasn't even finished High School (I think), but being 19 that's not that bad especially with the bank that he has pilled up. He can easily attend High School maybe even continue progaming with a relaxed schedule for the first 1-2 years (I don't know how the system works in SK, but where I live and a lot of Europe the first couple of years don't actually matter - as in they don't affect your college application), but again I really don't know. Flash completed high school. Also, he's still young. Very young. Sure, he has ~2 years of military service, but when you're making his wage, why would you go to college? College will still be there when the money stops coming. In all likelihood, he will make less after graduating college, if he goes, than he does now. And besides, who are any of us to criticize what he's doing with his life or even discuss what options he has and "should" take. I love SC2 as much as the next guy (probably not I like it, but I much prefer BW), but a progaming career is always a sinking ship you just need to jump off at the right time before it bombs. Always a sinking ship? Yeah right.. I mean just look at Boxer. Oh wait... That's like saying dropping out of university isn't always a bad choice because Bill Gates made it big. Your sentence is a contradiction in of itself. Always being the operative word there. (And actually yes, if you're truly exceptional, college is a waste of time. Bill Gates isn't the only example. You may have heard of Steve Jobs, I'm sure.)
Steve Jobs was not truly exceptional.
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Anyone has any idea on the procedures to get a ticket? Is it just free entry or do we have to reserve before the actual competition date?
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