Edit: This is an awesome throwback player pool. So many old favorites are coming, with a few new intriguing stories like now-EG Xenocider and big Kespa names like SoO, Stats, and Dear
Sigh...no Life...wtf. Now he gave up his asian indoor spot for nothing. Guess he chose DH over MLG. Underwhelming korean list. Will be the least interesting MLG in a long time due to the weakest player pool since koreans starting playing in them. Such a shame. MLG started high with Dallas this year and have been going downhill and backwards ever since.
On June 19 2013 02:49 ACrow wrote: No Kespa? A bit lacking there... ah well, MLG's always been great (except for Decorah times), so I'm sure it will be a great event again
Lol first people say to many koreans, now they say not enough. I'm excited anyways, if demuslim is in form then I think he has a good shot of winning it. He needs a big win.
This is a super weak player field. I'll probably tune in to watch SeleCT (really happy to see him playing SC2 again) but past that...really not impressed by the players here.
On June 19 2013 02:49 ACrow wrote: No Kespa? A bit lacking there... ah well, MLG's always been great (except for Decorah times), so I'm sure it will be a great event again
On June 19 2013 02:54 LeftY_ wrote: Lol first people say to many koreans, now they say not enough. I'm excited anyways, if demuslim is in form then I think he has a good shot of winning it. He needs a big win.
People want Koreans but they dont want it to be a one sided stomp.
On June 19 2013 02:54 LeftY_ wrote: Lol first people say to many koreans, now they say not enough. I'm excited anyways, if demuslim is in form then I think he has a good shot of winning it. He needs a big win.
People want Koreans but they dont want it to be a one sided stomp.
That's not really a balance you can have in an open tournament.
Easy WCS points for foreigners i guess. Eventhough the player field is lacking strong koreans, i really like it - time for some up and comers to shine!
On June 19 2013 02:54 LeftY_ wrote: Lol first people say to many koreans, now they say not enough. I'm excited anyways, if demuslim is in form then I think he has a good shot of winning it. He needs a big win.
People want Koreans but they dont want it to be a one sided stomp.
That's not really a balance you can have in an open tournament.
The main reason why there's so many foreigners in this tournament is because MLG wants to run this as a more of a regional tournament. They saw how well TB's "all" American-Continental tournament went, and the viewership was rather high and averaged pretty high as well.
Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp (via Twitter) Hmm for some reason Stats, Soo, and Dear are not on the SC2 player list...but they will be there representing KESPA
I wonder whose genius idea was to hold kespa qualifiers with only 3!!!! players qualifying when it's obvious these are the best players in the world. At least invite the 5-10 best ones like Flash Bogus Soulkey etc. and then hold a qualifier for the rest.
On June 19 2013 02:54 LeftY_ wrote: Lol first people say to many koreans, now they say not enough. I'm excited anyways, if demuslim is in form then I think he has a good shot of winning it. He needs a big win.
People want Koreans but they dont want it to be a one sided stomp.
That's not really a balance you can have in an open tournament.
Yeah I know. There are still enough Koreans to make it legit tho and it increases the chances for fan favorites to go far so people will definitely tune in anyway.
I see now why MLG originally only wanted to do one stream, aside from budget reasons. There's only going to be barely enough interesting games for one stream of content. I'll follow to see how select is doing, but besides that, this will be the first MLG I'm not excited to watch in a very long time.
On June 19 2013 03:08 Cricketer12 wrote: no DRG no Life no Rain no INnoVation no sOs no Soulkey no Flash no PartinG its HuK, Naniwa, Grubby vs Hyun, Polt, Yugioh Korea, your on
On June 19 2013 03:08 Cricketer12 wrote: no DRG no Life no Rain no INnoVation no sOs no Soulkey no Flash no PartinG its HuK, Naniwa, Grubby vs Hyun, Polt, Yugioh Korea, your on
The best players in the world are currently giving us top level games in the only conditions where it is possible to play at the absolute top level: GSL/OSL (WCS KR). So I dont mind the quality of the playerlist being a bit lower than we are used to. I watch these events for the entertainment and storylines etc and I even find these events without all the best players to be just as fun to watch if you give it a chance.
edit: a pitty Sjow isnt attending. Would have been interesting to see how he follows up his amazing DH run.
On June 19 2013 03:08 Blargh wrote: It appears that OP listed the 3 Kespa players all twice, at the end. They are already in the alphabetical ordered list.
Go Naniwa!
Haha, probably someone else edited them in too. xD
Well, it will probably be the first MLG in a long while I don't stay up most of the night watching. Bit of a shame, but perhaps the fact that they aren't doing the next WCS will get them going properly again for their own events.
On June 19 2013 03:19 chipmonklord17 wrote: on the liquipedia entry has incontrol spelled wrong and lists Sc as an MVP player, if i knew how to edit myself I would
I'm so pumped, a mostly foreigner competition, with an emphasis on NA players, but just enough Koreans to keep it interesting but not be one sided. This should be an NA Dreamhack-equivalent (lots of foreigners, lots of players from the local region, but still some Koreans) which we haven't yet had in HoTS, instead of a weekend GSL in the US with some foreigner sacrificial lambs thrown in that the last MLG was.
On June 19 2013 03:19 chipmonklord17 wrote: on the liquipedia entry has incontrol spelled wrong and lists Sc as an MVP player, if i knew how to edit myself I would
It's still being edited!
I don't have the patience to alphabetize but I fixed iNcontroL's name and the broken team logos.
Cant wait to see Polt fighting, hope he will have a long run in the tournament. But i dont understand why its called spring tournament when its at the end of june...
On June 19 2013 03:24 Waxangel wrote: mmmm hard to tell who's the best player here
....Stats?
Other contenders: Hero (really don't know what you have against him, you always disregard him in your previews too). Maybe Polt, if he can get back near to his 2012 form.
Looks a decent list to me, it's nice to have a lot of notable players in a big tournament. We all know that having the best players doesn't always mean the games are the most enjoyable (watch some gsl finals if you don't believe me)
It's got all the makings of some upsets, some WCS points to be won, and the stepping stone to the MLG after this which will be bigger and better. Don't hate guys, i'd much rather this than them doing another season of WCS America. Former IPL and NASL will do it better justice.
I'm looking forward to it.
Quick question, who are the casters going to be ??
I think it would have been a much better roster if they let more than just 3 Kespa players come. Checking the schedule for proleague no teams would be missing any players for their matches. Would have liked to see some more European players as well, they've proven they're capable of hanging with the koreans on LAN, of course a lot of them may be wiped out from DH anyways.
On June 19 2013 03:34 Jaded. wrote: I think it would have been a much better roster if they let more than just 3 Kespa players come. Checking the schedule for proleague no teams would be missing any players for their matches. Would have liked to see some more European players as well, they've proven they're capable of hanging with the koreans on LAN, of course a lot of them may be wiped out from DH anyways.
As far as I can tell this was Kespa's decision. MLG reserved 3 spots for them but it didn't mean that they couldn't have bought more spots if they wanted to
On June 19 2013 03:22 Race is Terran wrote: did all the koreans get kicked out of MLG spring championship or something?
MLG is no longer paying for flights. Also notice the lack of Europeans from EU teams.
Its almost like its an local NA event where players from the region go to compete. And Polt. Polt is pretty good.
You just blew my mind. It's the real WCS AM!
Its 2011 all over again. Thank god. 2011 was pretty fun. Now they just need Idra casting with TB and I will laugh for days.
I personally found the games boring even with NaNiwa and SeleCT playing. I replayed a few of those old games about 2 weeks ago to review how far we've come and oh my God a lot of those games are just unbearable to watch. I'll probably tune in for the semis and finals only unless the boys do another 100m sprint. I'm down for shooting shit, but everything else. Wunderbar. Go LivinPink!
On June 19 2013 04:09 StarStruck wrote: and I thought the DH list was disappointing. Oh golly me. Fuck it. I'm cheering for Livinpink to beat all you babos.
On June 19 2013 04:09 StarStruck wrote: and I thought the DH list was disappointing. Oh golly me. Fuck it. I'm cheering for Livinpink to beat all you babos.
On June 19 2013 03:51 intense555 wrote: the player pool looks pretty scary when you're actually playing in it lol.
I was thinking the exact opposite.
Come on StarStruck, you are a SC2 snob ;-P If everyone doesn't have 400 AMP and super computer multi-tasking, you are always underwhelmed.
I am also cheering for Livinpink, because it would be awesome if she made a dent in the bracket.
Um... did you see my posts regarding the guy who wanted to see more stuff regarding APM to bring in casual viewers? I don't care about APM. Would I like to see more fpov perspectives? Sure, from time to time. I'm so tired of this conversation even from the BW days. You can only take it so far my man.
A bit underwhelming, but then again DH Summer's list wasn't that great and the tournament turned out to be a success. Good for the local scene, a shame so few euro's are going tho :[
On June 19 2013 04:09 StarStruck wrote: and I thought the DH list was disappointing. Oh golly me. Fuck it. I'm cheering for Livinpink to beat all you babos.
On June 19 2013 03:51 intense555 wrote: the player pool looks pretty scary when you're actually playing in it lol.
I was thinking the exact opposite.
Come on StarStruck, you are a SC2 snob ;-P If everyone doesn't have 400 AMP and super computer multi-tasking, you are always underwhelmed.
I am also cheering for Livinpink, because it would be awesome if she made a dent in the bracket.
Um... did you see my posts regarding the guy who wanted to see more stuff regarding APM to bring in casual viewers? I don't care about APM. Would I like to see more fpov perspectives? Sure, from time to time. I'm so tired of this conversation even from the BW days. You can only take it so far my man.
Man, it is hard to sarcastically mock people on the internet. Everyone is so serious.
Some people on this forum are really kappa.What in the world do you guys want? If kespa players come the next day the forum explodes:"waaaa waaaa another pale faced korean came to take foreigner money waaa waaaaa".If no kespa players are you guys are"why aren't there any kespa players?". This MLG is one of the best organized MLG in recent times.Why is that.because it includes all of the top foreign/entertaining/competitive players battling for a prize.You have Noni,Huk,Violet,Demuslim,Theognis,thorzain,polt,dragon and countless others fighting in the same matches. You have to be a real hater to not want to see violet vs demuslim or polt vs demuslim or incontrol vs grubby.Period.This will be one of the most fun tournaments in recent history and I will watch it simply for that.Imagine the drama,the fun the effects. Moreover the supreme argument in favor of this type of tournament is something that all you kespa whiners do not know about since you do not follow real sports:COMPETITIVENESS.Nobody wants to see flash,innovation vs grubby,dragon or violet.Why?BECAUSE ITS NOT COMPETITIVE.Its bullying.It is like Mike tyson in his prime versus Hotbid.Its not entertaining.It is just a rolfstom.And the games that way turn out to be very lousy games cause the other guy does not stand any chance.At least this MLG we will see COMPETITIVE games.Look kespa players are 3 levels above anyone else.They are only entertaining against themselves.If you wanna see kespa watch the ogn.FLash and innovation played good matches today.Do you honestly believe that somebody like innovation would even give a chance to these players unless he was really tired or high.Come on guys give me a break.Enjoy MLG,support MLG.All people who like interesting starcraft should be watching.
On June 19 2013 04:31 theking1 wrote: Some people on this forum are really kappa.What in the world do you guys want? If kespa players come the next day the forum explodes:"waaaa waaaa another pale faced korean came to take foreigner money waaa waaaaa".If no kespa players are you guys are"why aren't there any kespa players?".
People have different opinions on TL forums, some want to see the highest level of play whenever possible (Kespa players) others want to root for the home team. So yes some people don't like Koreans come over and roflstomp foreigners but others don't mind.
Personally if I had my way I'd rather just see Kespa players playing in all tournaments since I don't really care about watching foreigners trip over themselves, foreigner vs foreigner is just not as impressive or exciting.
On June 19 2013 04:31 Dosey wrote: Wow this lineup looks almost as weak as Dallas 2010. Well Suppy... if you're going to win something, now's your chance.
On June 19 2013 04:31 Dosey wrote: Wow this lineup looks almost as weak as Dallas 2010. Well Suppy... if you're going to win something, now's your chance.
That mlg was actually more fun that the one which were rolfstomp by the likes of life and leenock
On June 19 2013 04:31 Dosey wrote: Wow this lineup looks almost as weak as Dallas 2010. Well Suppy... if you're going to win something, now's your chance.
That mlg was actually more fun that the one which were rolfstomp by the likes of life and leenock
On June 19 2013 04:31 Dosey wrote: Wow this lineup looks almost as weak as Dallas 2010. Well Suppy... if you're going to win something, now's your chance.
That mlg was actually more fun that the one which were rolfstomp by the likes of life and leenock
If I want to watch underwhelming players not get "roflstomped" by the likes of life and leenock i'll watch shoutcraft America, thank you.
And besides, they are still likely to get "roflstomped" by the likes of HyuN, HerO, Violet, etc...
On June 19 2013 04:31 theking1 wrote: Some people on this forum are really kappa.What in the world do you guys want? If kespa players come the next day the forum explodes:"waaaa waaaa another pale faced korean came to take foreigner money waaa waaaaa".If no kespa players are you guys are"why aren't there any kespa players?".
People have different opinions on TL forums, some want to see the highest level of play whenever possible (Kespa players) others want to root for the home team. So yes some people don't like Koreans come over and roflstomp foreigners but others don't mind.
Personally if I had my way I'd rather just see Kespa players playing in all tournaments since I don't really care about watching foreigners trip over themselves, foreigner vs foreigner is just not as impressive or exciting.
The highest level of play you talk about occurs only between top players themselves aka OGN style.There is no high level of play involved in an Innovation vs any foreigner simply because they are not on the same level.A rolfstomp isnt high level of play.Its just boring.Btw what was the last "high level of play match" you saw between a top kespa player and a foreigner.I can't seem to remember any.
On June 19 2013 04:31 theking1 wrote: Some people on this forum are really kappa.What in the world do you guys want? If kespa players come the next day the forum explodes:"waaaa waaaa another pale faced korean came to take foreigner money waaa waaaaa".If no kespa players are you guys are"why aren't there any kespa players?".
People have different opinions on TL forums, some want to see the highest level of play whenever possible (Kespa players) others want to root for the home team. So yes some people don't like Koreans come over and roflstomp foreigners but others don't mind.
Personally if I had my way I'd rather just see Kespa players playing in all tournaments since I don't really care about watching foreigners trip over themselves, foreigner vs foreigner is just not as impressive or exciting.
The highest level of play you talk about occurs only between top players themselves aka OGN style.There is no high level of play involved in an Innovation vs any foreigner simply because they are not on the same level.A rolfstomp isnt high level of play.Its just boring.Btw what was the last "high level of play match" you saw between a top kespa player and a foreigner.I can't seem to remember any.
I'd rather root for an underdog against someone who's actually high skilled than an underdog against another underdog. I mean, even though Koreans won virtually all the MLGs, it was still exciting to see players like Huk, Demuslim, Naniwa etc. make deep runs and occasionally place very highly. It also made the viewer realize that foreign Sc2 wasn't completely irrelevant.
On June 19 2013 04:31 Dosey wrote: Wow this lineup looks almost as weak as Dallas 2010. Well Suppy... if you're going to win something, now's your chance.
That mlg was actually more fun that the one which were rolfstomp by the likes of life and leenock
If I want to watch underwhelming players not get "roflstomped" by the likes of life and leenock i'll watch shoutcraft America, thank you.
And besides, they are still likely to get "roflstomped" by the likes of HyuN, HerO, Violet, etc...
Violet is the most entertaining korean in sc2 history.hero is a legend in the foreign scene and represents TL and has a good fanbase.They are korean,entertaining as hell and have a good relationship with the foreign scene.and also they sometimes lose against talented foreigners so we might see some upsets .
On June 19 2013 04:31 theking1 wrote: Some people on this forum are really kappa.What in the world do you guys want? If kespa players come the next day the forum explodes:"waaaa waaaa another pale faced korean came to take foreigner money waaa waaaaa".If no kespa players are you guys are"why aren't there any kespa players?".
People have different opinions on TL forums, some want to see the highest level of play whenever possible (Kespa players) others want to root for the home team. So yes some people don't like Koreans come over and roflstomp foreigners but others don't mind.
Personally if I had my way I'd rather just see Kespa players playing in all tournaments since I don't really care about watching foreigners trip over themselves, foreigner vs foreigner is just not as impressive or exciting.
The highest level of play you talk about occurs only between top players themselves aka OGN style.There is no high level of play involved in an Innovation vs any foreigner simply because they are not on the same level.A rolfstomp isnt high level of play.Its just boring.Btw what was the last "high level of play match" you saw between a top kespa player and a foreigner.I can't seem to remember any.
I'd rather root for an underdog against someone who's actually high skilled than an underdog against another underdog. I mean, even though Koreans won virtually all the MLGs, it was still exciting to see players like Huk, Demuslim, Naniwa etc. make deep runs and occasionally place very highly. It also made the viewer realize that foreign Sc2 wasn't completely irrelevant.
After about the 4-7th time that it was all Korean rounds of 8 or higher, I got a little tired of it. With the top heavy prize pool, it got to the point where the only thing that mattered was which Koreans MLG flew over to play. If EU can be fun to watch, so can NA.
Huk demuslim and naniwa are still coming.So you will be able to see them against.So whats your point then?Btw when was the last time Huk,Naniwa scored a major upset.At least this time they have a COMPETITIVE chance.
On June 19 2013 04:48 SolidMoose wrote: I hope the people saying "this isn't a good lineup" aren't the same people who say "top 8 korean? I'm done watching"
This looks like a good chance for some lesser names to make something happen.
I can almost bet this mlg will reach over 100k viewers in the finals and all of the haters will be cheering for the foreigners or violet.
On June 19 2013 05:02 bK- wrote: Where is my MC,MVP,MKP,Life,Flash,Innovation Sucks that all the upper tier Koreans won't be taking place. This will make for a boring tourney.
Well Mc is sort of retired.MVP could have been there but after the awsome wcs matches doubt anyone would have stood in his way.Dunno if prime can afford the trip for MKP and Flash and Innovation why would you wanna see then rolfstomp everybody
There's only one Nony. Who the heck you think? ._.
Not the first time someone named himself after someone famous. Hai MKP
Fake YellOw anyone? Yeah and it's frigging annoying. I saw a guy post here under WhiteIdrA and I think he casts as well? I don't know guys. I think you can add a little slice of creativity to those nicknames because some are just meh and then I look at my i.d. and I just go ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I must have been listening to AC/DC at the time or something when I made this one.
On June 19 2013 05:08 BisuDagger wrote: TheSTC will finally win one!
On June 19 2013 04:48 theking1 wrote: " it was still exciting to see players like Huk, Demuslim, Naniwa etc. make deep runs and occasionally place very highly"
Huk demuslim and naniwa are still coming.So you will be able to see them against.So whats your point then?Btw when was the last time Huk,Naniwa scored a major upset.At least this time they have a COMPETITIVE chance.
Pretty sure if you go outside the context of your quote, he was talking about higher-tiered koreans. He liked seeing those people do well AND have it be against top koreans.
"I'd rather root for an underdog against someone who's actually high skilled than an underdog against another underdog."
Grubby, Demuslim and Thorzain to cheer for, but none of my favourite zergs. Well Violet, Suppy and Moonglade will have my support . The lineup is not the greatest but it might make for some interesting stories like Grubby going really far or something.
Edit: Actually Hyunbeatable is there, awesome! YugiOh winning it would be great too. So I guess I have enough zergs to cheer for.
On June 19 2013 05:02 bK- wrote: Where is my MC,MVP,MKP,Life,Flash,Innovation Sucks that all the upper tier Koreans won't be taking place. This will make for a boring tourney.
Well Mc is sort of retired.MVP could have been there but after the awsome wcs matches doubt anyone would have stood in his way.Dunno if prime can afford the trip for MKP and Flash and Innovation why would you wanna see then rolfstomp everybody
On June 19 2013 04:48 theking1 wrote: " it was still exciting to see players like Huk, Demuslim, Naniwa etc. make deep runs and occasionally place very highly"
Huk demuslim and naniwa are still coming.So you will be able to see them against.So whats your point then?Btw when was the last time Huk,Naniwa scored a major upset.At least this time they have a COMPETITIVE chance.
Pretty sure if you go outside the context of your quote, he was talking about higher-tiered koreans. He liked seeing those people do well AND have it be against top koreans.
"I'd rather root for an underdog against someone who's actually high skilled than an underdog against another underdog."
Realistically speaking when was the last time these foreigners pulled an upset against any top korean?Naniwas gsl semifinals last year might be the last time.
On June 19 2013 04:48 theking1 wrote: " it was still exciting to see players like Huk, Demuslim, Naniwa etc. make deep runs and occasionally place very highly"
Huk demuslim and naniwa are still coming.So you will be able to see them against.So whats your point then?Btw when was the last time Huk,Naniwa scored a major upset.At least this time they have a COMPETITIVE chance.
Pretty sure if you go outside the context of your quote, he was talking about higher-tiered koreans. He liked seeing those people do well AND have it be against top koreans.
"I'd rather root for an underdog against someone who's actually high skilled than an underdog against another underdog."
Realistically speaking when was the last time these foreigners pulled an upset against any top korean?Naniwas gsl semifinals last year might be the last time.
Naniwa vs. Jaedong at Dreamhack?
or maybe Sjow vs. Life ??
Edit: If you're just talking about those players then Nani, Grubby and Moonglade can all cause upsets.
Naniwa vs Jaedong wasnt that much of an upset.Jaedong was at the begining of his sc2 career and even Naniwa admitted afterwards he only won cause he knew jaedongs ultralisk strat since they practiced together.I dunno.The dong seems to be haunted by bad luck at the foreign tournaments.
On June 19 2013 04:48 theking1 wrote: " it was still exciting to see players like Huk, Demuslim, Naniwa etc. make deep runs and occasionally place very highly"
Huk demuslim and naniwa are still coming.So you will be able to see them against.So whats your point then?Btw when was the last time Huk,Naniwa scored a major upset.At least this time they have a COMPETITIVE chance.
Pretty sure if you go outside the context of your quote, he was talking about higher-tiered koreans. He liked seeing those people do well AND have it be against top koreans.
"I'd rather root for an underdog against someone who's actually high skilled than an underdog against another underdog."
Realistically speaking when was the last time these foreigners pulled an upset against any top korean?Naniwas gsl semifinals last year might be the last time.
Naniwa vs. Jaedong at Dreamhack?
or maybe Sjow vs. Life ??
Edit: If you're just talking about those players then Nani, Grubby and Moonglade can all cause upsets.
Sjow vs Life was amazing but Naniwa beating JD isn't really an upset. JD isn't a top tier player in SC2 and we all know his ZvP is not very good.
On June 19 2013 05:24 theking1 wrote: Naniwa vs Jaedong wasnt that much of an upset.Jaedong was at the begining of his sc2 career and even Naniwa admitted afterwards he only won cause he knew jaedongs ultralisk strat since they practiced together.I dunno.The dong seems to be haunted by bad luck at the foreign tournaments.
sjow vs life-you might have a point here.
Before DH Jaedong did arguably have a weak ZvP. The underdog still won though.
On June 19 2013 04:48 theking1 wrote: " it was still exciting to see players like Huk, Demuslim, Naniwa etc. make deep runs and occasionally place very highly"
Huk demuslim and naniwa are still coming.So you will be able to see them against.So whats your point then?Btw when was the last time Huk,Naniwa scored a major upset.At least this time they have a COMPETITIVE chance.
Pretty sure if you go outside the context of your quote, he was talking about higher-tiered koreans. He liked seeing those people do well AND have it be against top koreans.
"I'd rather root for an underdog against someone who's actually high skilled than an underdog against another underdog."
Realistically speaking when was the last time these foreigners pulled an upset against any top korean?Naniwas gsl semifinals last year might be the last time.
Naniwa vs. Jaedong at Dreamhack?
or maybe Sjow vs. Life ??
Edit: If you're just talking about those players then Nani, Grubby and Moonglade can all cause upsets.
Sjow vs Life was amazing but Naniwa beating JD isn't really an upset. JD isn't a top tier player in SC2 and we all know his ZvP is not very good.
Nani wasn't expected to do well in that tournament, whilst he wasn't a total underdog, him doing that well is the sort of Underdog rising up story that he was getting at.
On June 19 2013 05:24 theking1 wrote: Naniwa vs Jaedong wasnt that much of an upset.Jaedong was at the begining of his sc2 career and even Naniwa admitted afterwards he only won cause he knew jaedongs ultralisk strat since they practiced together.I dunno.The dong seems to be haunted by bad luck at the foreign tournaments.
sjow vs life-you might have a point here.
If you say things like that, then perhaps you should also say, that Naniwa also admitted, that he lost like 2-20 against this strat of Jaedong when playing with him... And that he trained against some strong Z just before the tournament (I don't remember which one)... So actually he practiced against it in order to get better
Also, Jaedong at the beginning of his sc2 career? Srsly? At that time it was almost 1 year since Jaedong played sc2 and Kespa players were already reaching GSL finals (now they dominate top4)...
On June 19 2013 05:24 theking1 wrote: Naniwa vs Jaedong wasnt that much of an upset.Jaedong was at the begining of his sc2 career and even Naniwa admitted afterwards he only won cause he knew jaedongs ultralisk strat since they practiced together.I dunno.The dong seems to be haunted by bad luck at the foreign tournaments.
sjow vs life-you might have a point here.
If you say things like that, then perhaps you should also say, that Naniwa also admitted, that he lost like 2-20 against this strat of Jaedong when playing with him... And that he trained against some strong Z just before the tournament (I don't remember which one)... So actually he practiced against it in order to get better
Also, Jaedong at the beginning of his sc2 career? Srsly? At that time it was almost 1 year since Jaedong played sc2 and Kespa players were already reaching GSL finals (now they dominate top4)...
Get your facts straight...
Well you are confirming my point.He practiced against it since he knew it was coming. And Jaedong is at the beggining of his sc2 career.Just as flash is since neither of them are at their peaks yet.Flash has the advantage of the kt rolster teamhouse to practice which is probably one of the best sc2 training environments in the world.Jaedong is still good but the eg lair aint exactly the training environment to win the osl which makes his results that more impressive.How many people do you know that have beaten the eg curse?None.Jaedong is still legend
On June 19 2013 05:02 bK- wrote: Where is my MC,MVP,MKP,Life,Flash,Innovation Sucks that all the upper tier Koreans won't be taking place. This will make for a boring tourney.
Well Mc is sort of retired.MVP could have been there but after the awsome wcs matches doubt anyone would have stood in his way.Dunno if prime can afford the trip for MKP and Flash and Innovation why would you wanna see then rolfstomp everybody
Who wouldn't want to watch them stomp everybody? Its enjoyable to at least me to watch foreigners in the endless struggle to stand side by side with Koreans. Other than that the rest of the competition is sub-par when compared to WCS/GSL because the Koreans are the ones who are ontop of their game.
Its like attending a soccer game with all the 2nd/3rd string bench warmers playing and not the star players.
On June 19 2013 05:02 bK- wrote: Where is my MC,MVP,MKP,Life,Flash,Innovation Sucks that all the upper tier Koreans won't be taking place. This will make for a boring tourney.
Well Mc is sort of retired.MVP could have been there but after the awsome wcs matches doubt anyone would have stood in his way.Dunno if prime can afford the trip for MKP and Flash and Innovation why would you wanna see then rolfstomp everybody
On June 19 2013 06:04 MisterTea wrote: lack of Stardust makes me sad, but he needs some rest
Dont worry Im sure there will be enough protoss cheese to satisfy your needs.
when did 3base timing attacks become cheese, weird
When protoss wins? Duh. Its amazing decision making when Terran does it though. Zerg is unknown because they are freaking weird and just build more bases.
On June 19 2013 05:02 bK- wrote: Where is my MC,MVP,MKP,Life,Flash,Innovation Sucks that all the upper tier Koreans won't be taking place. This will make for a boring tourney.
Well Mc is sort of retired.MVP could have been there but after the awsome wcs matches doubt anyone would have stood in his way.Dunno if prime can afford the trip for MKP and Flash and Innovation why would you wanna see then rolfstomp everybody
Who wouldn't want to watch them stomp everybody? Its enjoyable to at least me to watch foreigners in the endless struggle to stand side by side with Koreans. Other than that the rest of the competition is sub-par when compared to WCS/GSL because the Koreans are the ones who are ontop of their game.
Its like attending a soccer game with all the 2nd/3rd string bench warmers playing and not the star players.
Or college football, because we know that's not popular.
On June 19 2013 05:02 bK- wrote: Where is my MC,MVP,MKP,Life,Flash,Innovation Sucks that all the upper tier Koreans won't be taking place. This will make for a boring tourney.
Well Mc is sort of retired.MVP could have been there but after the awsome wcs matches doubt anyone would have stood in his way.Dunno if prime can afford the trip for MKP and Flash and Innovation why would you wanna see then rolfstomp everybody
Who wouldn't want to watch them stomp everybody? Its enjoyable to at least me to watch foreigners in the endless struggle to stand side by side with Koreans. Other than that the rest of the competition is sub-par when compared to WCS/GSL because the Koreans are the ones who are ontop of their game.
Its like attending a soccer game with all the 2nd/3rd string bench warmers playing and not the star players.
But that is the point.There is no struggle.Its just a death sentence.
"Its like attending a soccer game with all the 2nd/3rd string bench warmers playing and not the star players"
You wanna watch barcelona vs the bench warmers of Steaua Bucuresti or Barcelona vs Real madrid?
I dont mind the MLG's not being filled to the brim with koreans. Its nice to see foreigners compete and actually win money. If you want to see the best of the best than watch code s or osl
It's actually pretty good - the talent pool of Koreans is decent, but not so much that it crushes the hopes of any foreigner from making it past the Ro16.
On June 19 2013 08:03 LighT. wrote: Nice of SKT T1 to send a representative. Inc SKT T1 vs KT Final soO vs Stats. :D And we know who's going to win if that happens.
Is the answer soO since the KT player isn't Flash?
soo probably #1 in my personal power rank since he's in starleague but I think the 3 kespa players will probably be top 5
People will complain and complain about WCS NA being all Koreans blah blah blah, this and that. And you have have a solid solid NA lineup and you're complaining? Seriously?...
I for one am very excited, I'd rather they don't have any Koreans though, or like 3 max. I really dislike no name Koreans getting far in foreigner tournaments like in dream hack.
Either way, super stoked for this. Drewbie and Select gogo 1a2a3a4a5a6a and crush face.
On June 19 2013 08:34 FiWiFaKi wrote: Omg people... I am so mad, holy shit.
People will complain and complain about WCS NA being all Koreans blah blah blah, this and that. And you have have a solid solid NA lineup and you're complaining? Seriously?...
I for one am very excited, I'd rather they don't have any Koreans though, or like 3 max. I really dislike no name Koreans getting far in foreigner tournaments like in dream hack.
Either way, super stoked for this. Drewbie and Select gogo 1a2a3a4a5a6a and crush face.
It's almost like there's more than one group of people on TL, and that one group prefers to have all the top Koreans and the other group prefers to just see the hometown heroes...
On June 19 2013 08:34 FiWiFaKi wrote: Omg people... I am so mad, holy shit.
People will complain and complain about WCS NA being all Koreans blah blah blah, this and that. And you have have a solid solid NA lineup and you're complaining? Seriously?...
I for one am very excited, I'd rather they don't have any Koreans though, or like 3 max. I really dislike no name Koreans getting far in foreigner tournaments like in dream hack.
Either way, super stoked for this. Drewbie and Select gogo 1a2a3a4a5a6a and crush face.
It's almost like there's more than one group of people on TL, and that one group prefers to have all the top Koreans and the other group prefers to just see the hometown heroes...
On June 19 2013 18:06 Swiv wrote: odds of a kespa winning it: 75% i'd say
HerO, Violet, Hyun, Polt, and sC are there.
Much lower I'd say, especially when the best of the 3 might be soO
I actually think soo is the worse among the 3. His being in WCS is deceiving because he qualified at the end of WoL where when you are atleast a decent zerg you qualified and it being really hard to drop down to Code B once you were once Code S.
no idea why Life isn't there considering he supposedly gave up his Asian martial arts tourney spot for this and he could certainly use the WCS points.
So dumb that only three kespa players are allowed to go. a year after MLG made a big deal about the kespa agreement and we've got Stats, Dear and Soo in an MLG and that's it. yippee fucking doo. hopefully kespa will send players to other tournaments some day. but with most of them scaling back as a result of WCS that is looking less and less likely.
On June 19 2013 02:37 Ace Frehley wrote: Not that many heavy hitters (even the Kespa players are not thaaat great) Good chance for glory for the darkhorses
The three KeSPA players are the ones that won each of their groups and either beat everyone else or beat someone who did, etc. They either beat players like Flash, Soulkey, INnoVation or beat someone who did, etc.
On June 19 2013 02:37 Ace Frehley wrote: Not that many heavy hitters (even the Kespa players are not thaaat great) Good chance for glory for the darkhorses
The three KeSPA players are the ones that won each of their groups and either beat everyone else or beat someone who did, etc. They either beat players like Flash, Soulkey, INnoVation or beat someone who did, etc.
But people like Flash gave away their spot because of some Korean tournament.
On June 19 2013 02:37 Ace Frehley wrote: Not that many heavy hitters (even the Kespa players are not thaaat great) Good chance for glory for the darkhorses
The three KeSPA players are the ones that won each of their groups and either beat everyone else or beat someone who did, etc. They either beat players like Flash, Soulkey, INnoVation or beat someone who did, etc.
But people like Flash gave away their spot because of some Korean tournament.
Pumped for soO, Demuslim and Polt. This tournament will be interesting, there are a few favorites but nothing you can call tournament winner at the start.
I see that some of you are diggin the old-school feel of it. I'm with you guys. And some have faith in Polt. I don't. :/ But if I got one wish it would be for a HuK vs NaNiwa finals with lots of dt's.
On June 19 2013 02:37 Ace Frehley wrote: Not that many heavy hitters (even the Kespa players are not thaaat great) Good chance for glory for the darkhorses
The three KeSPA players are the ones that won each of their groups and either beat everyone else or beat someone who did, etc. They either beat players like Flash, Soulkey, INnoVation or beat someone who did, etc.
That has very little ground and we already know how flawed that logic is.
I`d say the tournament is fairly open. Looking at Proleague, Stats would look like the favorite, but on the other side, he failed to qualify for WCS/GSL yet, indicating, that an environment, where he can´t prepare specifically for his opponents, makes him vulnerable (Same goes for Dear).
I think anyone out of Stats, soO, Dear, viOLet, Hyun, YugiOh, HerO, Polt, Naniwa, Heart, Sage, sC and STC could potentially win it, depending on how the bracket works out.
Personally I´m rooting for Grubby, Naniwa, ThorZaIN, Sase, Polt, iNcontroL and mOOnGLaDe to make it as far as possible.
I'm a little disappointed at the lack of some big EU names. Although I appreciate we were never going to get many KR players, I'd hoped for a few more. Although maybe that's just MLG's standards coming back to bite them.
Should be good though, Dear is an absolute monster and soO and Stats are good too. There are also a lot of dangerous players would could easily just drop out in round 1 or could win the entire thing (*sC, Naniwa, etc.) and there are a lot of very solid players (Sase, Sound, Moonglade, Gruby, etc.)
If a foreigner is going to win a big non-WCS tournament this year, this is probably the prime time to do it. There are a lot of big names missing and a lot of previous champions who aren't going and that leaves the field quite open.
On June 20 2013 01:05 LuckyFool wrote: They did nothing of the sort in the last two open bracket events of 2012.
Entire open brackets were lost and we haven't gotten replays after an event since Columbus 2012.
Hopefully it's true and community casters get their hands on replays at least
Did they every release replays from the open bracket? That is a crap ton of work to collect all those files unless the players label them after each game. Even then, that is a lot of work that doesn't do much for the production.
I believe MLG Adam requested on twitter that community casters contact him about the upcoming MLG. It was a while ago and searching twitter is a pain on my phone.
Will be interesting to see what the few KesPa players attending will do with this lineup- . i might watch , if for nothing else, then the nostalgia in a tournament but packed with koreans
On June 19 2013 22:37 Xoronius wrote: I`d say the tournament is fairly open. Looking at Proleague, Stats would look like the favorite, but on the other side, he failed to qualify for WCS/GSL yet, indicating, that an environment, where he can´t prepare specifically for his opponents, makes him vulnerable (Same goes for Dear).
I think anyone out of Stats, soO, Dear, viOLet, Hyun, YugiOh, HerO, Polt, Naniwa, Heart, Sage, sC and STC could potentially win it, depending on how the bracket works out.
Personally I´m rooting for Grubby, Naniwa, ThorZaIN, Sase, Polt, iNcontroL and mOOnGLaDe to make it as far as possible.
On June 19 2013 18:11 edlover420 wrote: stop underestimating Stats, he's one of the strongest kespa players out there
And yet never qualified to challengers league/code A... Not even close of being the strongest anything
PL's bo1s against specific opponents, on set maps, known way beforehand is way different from a bunch of b03 against random opponents, one after another, like in Code A qualifiers (and this mlg)...
On June 20 2013 01:05 LuckyFool wrote: They did nothing of the sort in the last two open bracket events of 2012.
Entire open brackets were lost and we haven't gotten replays after an event since Columbus 2012.
Hopefully it's true and community casters get their hands on replays at least
Did they every release replays from the open bracket? That is a crap ton of work to collect all those files unless the players label them after each game. Even then, that is a lot of work that doesn't do much for the production.
I believe MLG Adam requested on twitter that community casters contact him about the upcoming MLG. It was a while ago and searching twitter is a pain on my phone.
Yes, all replays were released for every event through early 2012.
They used to have it automated where they got uploaded directly into the bracket minutes after every game. It was probably the most entertaining aspect of following the open bracket from home. Then they stopped this and started releasing the full packs 2 weeks after the events. Then they stopped with that altogether.
On June 19 2013 18:11 edlover420 wrote: stop underestimating Stats, he's one of the strongest kespa players out there
And yet never qualified to challengers league/code A... Not even close of being the strongest anything
PL's bo1s against specific opponents, on set maps, known way beforehand is way different from a bunch of b03 against random opponents, one after another, like in Code A qualifiers (and this mlg)...
On June 19 2013 22:37 Xoronius wrote: I`d say the tournament is fairly open. Looking at Proleague, Stats would look like the favorite, but on the other side, he failed to qualify for WCS/GSL yet, indicating, that an environment, where he can´t prepare specifically for his opponents, makes him vulnerable (Same goes for Dear).
I think anyone out of Stats, soO, Dear, viOLet, Hyun, YugiOh, HerO, Polt, Naniwa, Heart, Sage, sC and STC could potentially win it, depending on how the bracket works out.
Personally I´m rooting for Grubby, Naniwa, ThorZaIN, Sase, Polt, iNcontroL and mOOnGLaDe to make it as far as possible.
On June 19 2013 22:37 Xoronius wrote: I`d say the tournament is fairly open. Looking at Proleague, Stats would look like the favorite, but on the other side, he failed to qualify for WCS/GSL yet, indicating, that an environment, where he can´t prepare specifically for his opponents, makes him vulnerable (Same goes for Dear).
I think anyone out of Stats, soO, Dear, viOLet, Hyun, YugiOh, HerO, Polt, Naniwa, Heart, Sage, sC and STC could potentially win it, depending on how the bracket works out.
Personally I´m rooting for Grubby, Naniwa, ThorZaIN, Sase, Polt, iNcontroL and mOOnGLaDe to make it as far as possible.
Heart?
Sure, why not? If Heart gets an easy bracket, he can make it far and he can beat pretty much everyone attending in a bo3. I think, there is a possibility, that Heart could pull a Sting here. Not a high possibility, but a possibility.
On June 20 2013 03:13 theMiNUS wrote: i like the foreigner to korean ratio... opens the possibility for a cinderella run...
The thing is if a foreigner manages to win can it even be called a cinderella run with the quality of koreans here? I don't think it would qualify as one.
On June 20 2013 03:13 theMiNUS wrote: i like the foreigner to korean ratio... opens the possibility for a cinderella run...
The thing is if a foreigner manages to win can it even be called a cinderella run with the quality of koreans here? I don't think it would qualify as one.
Maybe not a cinderella run, but there's definitely room for foreigner over korean upsets, which is always fun :D
On June 20 2013 03:13 theMiNUS wrote: i like the foreigner to korean ratio... opens the possibility for a cinderella run...
The thing is if a foreigner manages to win can it even be called a cinderella run with the quality of koreans here? I don't think it would qualify as one.
Maybe not a cinderella run, but there's definitely room for foreigner over korean upsets, which is always fun :D
I wouldn't even really call it an upset... Every one of these Koreans (KeSPA players aside because they haven't competed) have dropped games to top foreigners. If someone like NaNi defeated someone like HerO in the early stages of the tournament, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.
I feel like its either Life or another KesPA player.
I'd be pretty surprised if it was a KeSPA player considering they held qualifiers for their players to go but I guess it wouldn't be the strangest thing to happen.
I feel like its either Life or another KesPA player.
I'd be pretty surprised if it was a KeSPA player considering they held qualifiers for their players to go but I guess it wouldn't be the strangest thing to happen.
Yeah I guess you're right. I guess I might have higher expectations for "Huge sc2 player" than MLG does
That said, I think Life is a definite possibility, we know that he has had success there before.
Good line up. Surprised by the amount of hate it's getting. From watching Sjow and Stardust this weekend (and TLO ^^), I think it's quite obvious that we need to give other players than Flash and Innovation some applause. Geeze, you would think the game was played by only two people by reading these forums. And they do lose games ^^ tt.
Pretty underwhelming given the list we usually get, but that just might make things more interesting. Also isn't weird that MLG Spring comes after DH Summer? Lol.
On June 20 2013 08:00 Batssa wrote: Good line up. Surprised by the amount of hate it's getting. From watching Sjow and Stardust this weekend (and TLO ^^), I think it's quite obvious that we need to give other players than Flash and Innovation some applause. Geeze, you would think the game was played by only two people by reading these forums. And they do lose games ^^ tt.
Unlike many I actually think its a decent line-up.
- The tournament was announced with short notice (at least all the details) - Its in the middle of the summer. The date couldnt have been much worse tbh. - There are so many tournaments going on atm that many players who want to prepare properly have to pick and choose what tournaments to play.
I feel like its either Life or another KesPA player.
I'd be pretty surprised if it was a KeSPA player considering they held qualifiers for their players to go but I guess it wouldn't be the strangest thing to happen.
Yeah I guess you're right. I guess I might have higher expectations for "Huge sc2 player" than MLG does
That said, I think Life is a definite possibility, we know that he has had success there before.
On June 19 2013 02:37 Ace Frehley wrote: Not that many heavy hitters (even the Kespa players are not thaaat great) Good chance for glory for the darkhorses
The three KeSPA players are the ones that won each of their groups and either beat everyone else or beat someone who did, etc. They either beat players like Flash, Soulkey, INnoVation or beat someone who did, etc.
That has very little ground and we already know how flawed that logic is.
What little ground does it have? They were beaten in SC2. What's flawed about my logic? Maybe the fact that you're a troll and I shouldn't attempt to reason with you in the first place?
I feel like its either Life or another KesPA player.
I'd be pretty surprised if it was a KeSPA player considering they held qualifiers for their players to go but I guess it wouldn't be the strangest thing to happen.
Yeah I guess you're right. I guess I might have higher expectations for "Huge sc2 player" than MLG does
That said, I think Life is a definite possibility, we know that he has had success there before.
Maybe THE DONG?
Maybe Jaedong is like... I was so fucking close to win dreamhack... fuck it I'm going to MLG and winning this.
I feel like its either Life or another KesPA player.
I'd be pretty surprised if it was a KeSPA player considering they held qualifiers for their players to go but I guess it wouldn't be the strangest thing to happen.
Yeah I guess you're right. I guess I might have higher expectations for "Huge sc2 player" than MLG does
That said, I think Life is a definite possibility, we know that he has had success there before.
Maybe THE DONG?
Maybe Jaedong is like... I was so fucking close to win dreamhack... fuck it I'm going to MLG and winning this.
I'm still waiting for the confirmation of Stephano
I feel like its either Life or another KesPA player.
I'd be pretty surprised if it was a KeSPA player considering they held qualifiers for their players to go but I guess it wouldn't be the strangest thing to happen.
Yeah I guess you're right. I guess I might have higher expectations for "Huge sc2 player" than MLG does
That said, I think Life is a definite possibility, we know that he has had success there before.
Maybe THE DONG?
Maybe Jaedong is like... I was so fucking close to win dreamhack... fuck it I'm going to MLG and winning this.
I'm still waiting for the confirmation of Stephano
I'd hardly consider Stephano a HUGE name anymore. Definitely not one that someone from MLG should be super hype about.
Standard Stephano Weekend: Crush group stage Say he's playing like shit Lose a ZvZ Disappear into a bar somewhere
kinda weak. at least we get to see new faces, but thats at the cost of top-level game-play... guess ill just hope for stats/hero vs soO/violet so that at least the final is respectable.
On June 20 2013 08:00 Batssa wrote: Good line up. Surprised by the amount of hate it's getting. From watching Sjow and Stardust this weekend (and TLO ^^), I think it's quite obvious that we need to give other players than Flash and Innovation some applause. Geeze, you would think the game was played by only two people by reading these forums. And they do lose games ^^ tt.
what sjow and stardust did was awesome because it was a strong field AND they were darkhorses. a bunch of darkhorses in a weak field is much less exciting.
We apologize for the confusion, but neither JKS or sC will be attending MLG next week. While we originally reserved passes for them to compete, we ultimately decided against it due to late notice and increased cost. We're very excited to get them to an international event, so expect to see them soon.
On June 20 2013 15:54 antvolt wrote: We apologize for the confusion, but neither JKS or sC will be attending MLG next week. While we originally reserved passes for them to compete, we ultimately decided against it due to late notice and increased cost. We're very excited to get them to an international event, so expect to see them soon.
On June 20 2013 16:15 Executor1 wrote: why is it called the spring championship when it happens 7 days into the beginning of summer was it pushed back or something?
because its an MLG tourney, if it doesnt have issues then the world is ending.
On June 20 2013 15:54 antvolt wrote: We apologize for the confusion, but neither JKS or sC will be attending MLG next week. While we originally reserved passes for them to compete, we ultimately decided against it due to late notice and increased cost. We're very excited to get them to an international event, so expect to see them soon.
On June 20 2013 15:54 antvolt wrote: We apologize for the confusion, but neither JKS or sC will be attending MLG next week. While we originally reserved passes for them to compete, we ultimately decided against it due to late notice and increased cost. We're very excited to get them to an international event, so expect to see them soon.
Then who will replace them?? Life would be amazing. Also sad that there is only 3 KeSPA players No Flash, INoVation, Soulkey, or PartinG
Evil Geniuses @EvilGeniuses 1m The word is in. @EGJaedongRC will be competing at MLG Anaheim on June 28-30th.
Damn was hoping for life when adam tweeted about a huge player coming. I like jaedong too, but I actually already thought he was already attending since he was on EG.
PSA: Yesterday was the last day of spring. The spring championship is supposed to be at the end of spring. So it was either this weekend or next. Conflict with homestory cup or no? Obvious answer. Not sure why people are talking about that.
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