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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On June 12 2013 06:08 Yhamm wrote: We would love to hear the full story and have some official news from the organizers  I dont. Stupid drama. They didnt have enough players anymore, they were disqualifed. Not a big story for me. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
Adding players to the Karont3 squad Although it is not uncommon to lock rosters in tournaments and sports we were okay with Karont3 adding unsigned or teamless players to their official roster mid-season. The official ATC rules actually state that you can't change your roster ("A team roster is fix and can´t be changed during a season. Exceptions can only made by an admin"), so we were being generous toward Karont3 in this regard. Manager playing in matches We were also okay with the Karont3 manager filling in as a player to fill the final spot. This is a bit of a minor issue, because with viPro leaving for Complexity, it would still have left Karont3 a player short. It was already known viPro was leaving, so effectively their manager filling a spot was not a solution on its own. ThorZaIN and SortOf This is what we disagreed with. Our main concern was that Karont3's players needed to actually be a part of Karont3. That meant they needed to be Karont3 not only in ATC, but other competitions as well. If they had signed teamless and unattached players, there would have been no problem. In the case of ThorZaIN and SortOf, it would have been players already playing for another team joining Karont3 only for ATC. It would have effectively been allowing 2 more 'jokers' than the ATC rules already allowed. We thought that this would go against the spirit of this tournament and were against it. | ||
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
On June 12 2013 06:33 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: The official ATC rules actually state that you can't change your roster ("A team roster is fix and can´t be changed during a season. Exceptions can only made by an admin"), so we were being generous toward Karont3 in this regard. Aren't there more rules about player changes? Quantic added StarDust as a joker during the season. New players couldn't be added to teams except per admin exception. There will be a lot of whining when VortiX or LucifroN play for mouz now... | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On June 12 2013 07:20 SinCitta wrote: Aren't there more rules about player changes? Quantic added StarDust as a joker during the season. New players couldn't be added to teams except per admin exception. There will be a lot of whining when VortiX or LucifroN play for mouz now... As far as I can tell the same courtesy to add new players to their team applied to Karont3. I don't see why it would lead to whining, it's up to the admins. | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On June 12 2013 06:16 eronica wrote: And it's also pretty retarded to think the TL poster is restrancripting the exact word. He said something like the team managers were not ok with Thorzain/Sortof thing. He even said he didn't know about the kick That's what I heard too. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
That's what we all heard. But apparently Kaoru can't deal with the fact that Lwl is interacting with his viewers and not writing a roman. | ||
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tibi
Germany10 Posts
One can argue that the admins should have been briefed better and handled the situation more smoothly, but I can imagine that each of those admins were put in a difficult spot themselves and probably just didn't know how to react properly. I think it's sad in general that K3 had to disband their roster in the middle of the season of the ATC, I am not familiar on how Clan Management works in Esports but it would have appeared much more nice if the roster would have not been changed during the only event the team itself participated in. | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On June 12 2013 07:39 Otolia wrote: That's what we all heard. But apparently Kaoru can't deal with the fact that Lwl is interacting with his viewers and not writing a roman. Don't exclude the fact that the first quoted guy did a pretty bad summary. | ||
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xN.07)MaK
Spain1159 Posts
If we believe this, and what Nazgul just said, it's either other managers pressuring, or ATC admins acting on their own (even when some managers were sympathetic towards K3), or both. Really sad in either case. | ||
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Iodem
United States1173 Posts
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leova
266 Posts
On June 12 2013 05:39 Kaoru wrote: Oh Seriously we refused Karont3 to continue ? I'm not sure he said the full story once again. Sorry but throwing some kind of bomb w/o the full story is pretty retarded. so tell us the "full story" then! You were there, you know what happened....let's hear your version! "After this, we try proposing various solutions. The first was to still make the 2 signs that were not related to any team, so that we would be a team made of teamless members + 1 joker: Socke. This, under my point of view, doesnt contradict any of the rules of the league. However, we were also told that it is not possible either, because the team would not cover the definition of "ideal" team from the admins by not being a real team/organization" this is still the biggest issue, its purely jealousy and greed/fear that prevented K3 from using a legit team. They had their 3 players, plus Ryo, plus a Joker (Socke) end of story! .....only it's not, and Acer will suffer for it. I know that, unless a different story comes out, I for one will actively avoid their tournaments, streams, and events. If you have piss-poor admins and communication, and ban teams to allow your own to advance farther, it's a joke of an event that deserves zero respect | ||
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Tinzu
26 Posts
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Ureth_RA
United States78 Posts
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S:klogW
Austria657 Posts
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KaiserKieran
United States615 Posts
Really sad about karont3 but I don't see why they didn't try I come into the tournament with 2 Teams like axiom-Acer or EG-TL. Could that have been possible? | ||
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Gorribal
Canada186 Posts
On June 12 2013 06:33 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: ThorZaIN and SortOf This is what we disagreed with. Our main concern was that Karont3's players needed to actually be a part of Karont3. That meant they needed to be Karont3 not only in ATC, but other competitions as well. If they had signed teamless and unattached players, there would have been no problem. In the case of ThorZaIN and SortOf, it would have been players already playing for another team joining Karont3 only for ATC. It would have effectively been allowing 2 more 'jokers' than the ATC rules already allowed. We thought that this would go against the spirit of this tournament and were against it. Of course you'd disagree with this as it would give Karont3 a fighting chance and Liquid are already behind in the rankings. | ||
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Mauldo
United States750 Posts
On June 12 2013 14:59 Gorribal wrote: Of course you'd disagree with this as it would give Karont3 a fighting chance and Liquid are already behind in the rankings. You are so smart, seeing through the lines and reading what Nazgul was hiding from all of us. "Following the rules?" More like "trying to save themselves in a tournament they'd already lost." I'm glad we have people like you on TL, here to cut down chronic liars like Nazgul and tell us all the real truth. | ||
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
On June 12 2013 14:59 Gorribal wrote: Of course you'd disagree with this as it would give Karont3 a fighting chance and Liquid are already behind in the rankings. You know the scene in Simpsons when they choose baseball teams and one side picks a bunch of star players? Why not allow Liquid to add the whole IM roster and throw in Startale to make it worth their while. I´m they sure wouldn´t mind playing a game or two in this as WCS does hardly fill their weekly schedule. As a viewer I want to see teams compete and not random players thrown together for the occasion. Of course that is just an opinion. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On June 12 2013 16:14 Mauldo wrote: You are so smart, seeing through the lines and reading what Nazgul was hiding from all of us. "Following the rules?" More like "trying to save themselves in a tournament they'd already lost." I'm glad we have people like you on TL, here to cut down chronic liars like Nazgul and tell us all the real truth. I'd like to up-vote this if possible lol. The guy sounds like a conspiracy theorist. | ||
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KingMel
France120 Posts
Nazgul says he agreed to give K3 the possibility to sign 2 free agents, and also to use the manager as the player, and Kaoru doesn't want to give us his version. So again, why are they kicked out as the admins said that it was the managers that didnt want them to participate anymore ? Right now, K3 has two players : LolvsxD and Socke. Considering the rules of the Acer Team Story Cup, they need two more players as you can revive the player you want in the last match. Why aren't they able to play with 2 free agents or 1 free agent + Ryo ? | ||
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