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The two brothers Pedro "mouz LucifroN" Moreno Durán and Juan "mouz VortiX" Moreno Durán are joining forces with mousesports to form one of the most powerful RTS teams in modern gaming history.
They have been with Karont3 for a year and a half by now, although many have tried to strengthen their roster with them, but today the two StarCraft II brothers Pedro "mouz LucifroN" Moreno Durán and Juan "mouz VortiX" Moreno Durán are officially joining mousesports. Alongside reigning ESWC World Champion Grzegorz "mouz MaNa" Komincz and EPS Champion Dennis "mouz HasuObs" Schneider, aswell as the rising stars Gabriel "mouz HeroMarine" Segat, Chris "mouz Illusion" Lee and Dan "mouz hOpe" Gustafsson, they will form the most powerful StarCraft II division in franchise history ever.
The two Spanish brothers are looking forward to their engagement in one of the world's best professional gaming teams. As former WarCraft III players, both are no strangers to future mousesports Hall-of-Famer Dennis "mouz HasuObs" Schneider, aswell to the whole RTS community, due to their achievements in WC3 and StarCraft II as of late. VortiX, the younger of the two, is about to join his brother as a full time professional gamer, as both are looking to sharpen their skillset in the upcoming weeks drastically.
Full statements by both players are available on mousesports.com
mousesports StarCraft II division:
GER Dennis " HasuObs" Schneider
GER Gabriel "HeroMarine" Segat
SWE Dan "hOpe" Gustafsson
USA Chris "Illusion" Lee
ESP Pedro "LucifroN" Moreno Durán
POL Grzegorz "MaNa" Komincz
ESP Juan "VortiX" Moreno Durán
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Germany25657 Posts
Wow, that is pretty sick^^
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o.o Holy shit nice pickup, Grats to both parties.
o.O
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Best pickup of 2013 so far I think !
Good luck to both mousesports and the Moreno brothers !
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....did not see that coming
very happy for mouz!
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Holy shit! Mouz=Best EU team?
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I assume that means K3 is pretty much gone then?
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United States97276 Posts
wow grats mouz. huge pickups.
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On May 31 2013 03:07 Tenks wrote:
I assume that means K3 is pretty much gone then?
I would assume so. Cool move for them personally and a nice shot in the arm for Mouz. Nice pickups.
EDIT: How does this affect ATC?
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FUCK YEAH THIS IS AWESOME!!
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they won't lose any clan war right now
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wow, didnt expect that at all ! gratz to all of them !
mouz looking stronger than ever now ! 
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holy crap those are 2 huge pickups. grats to both parties
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Woah. Didn't see this coming.
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YES!! Finally going back to former glory, First we´ll take DH, then ATC&EMS and then the world!
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Oh sheeeeeet,Teamleagues Vs Mouz is gonna be hard now !
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mouz is the best foreign team once again.
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MOUZ YOU'RE WAY TOO LATE FOR APRIL FOOLS.
what is this. just. wow. WHAT.
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Awww, I'm glad they stayed together ^^
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Wow this is amazing! Mouz getting even better
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nice one.
I really like that
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Great Odin's Raven that an impressive squad!
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mouz officially best eu team now
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One of the best foreigners team only for sure. Gratz to Mouz.
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sick city, pretty surprising move though
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wow... is karont3 disbanding?
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Welp. I guess mouse sports wins all the things now, haha. Awesome. Huge congratulations to all involved.
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France7248 Posts
that's a huge blow to Karont3... they are 2nd in ATC, what will become of them now?
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Wow did not expect that!
Good luck to them all!
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What happens to the other K3 players?
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Wow, might be the strongest foreigner team?
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Like that will change anything :/ Ppl are awesome
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FUCK YEAH! Soo good for mouz! Awesome team.
Wonder what atc is going to do now^^
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Nice to have a scary strong Mouz team back :D
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It's unexpected ... great pick-up for Mousesport and spain brothers !!
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Just when I thought Mouz was a sinking ship and "team Mana".
Bam!
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Best pickup Mouz, you sickos
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On other news a million K3 icons on TL became mouz.
Except for the one diehard lolvsxd fanboy.
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Sick! Wonder what's gonna happen to Karont3 now though. =( Congrats!
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Really sick pickup for mouz, Congrats!
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WHERE PROTOSSER ON THE ROSTER LIST WTF? HE GOT KICKED?
User was warned for this post
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Wow rip in peace Karonte ;;
Mousesport is once again looking to be the best in Europe.
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wow, I wonder what happens now at the ATC
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Austria24417 Posts
And suddenly mouz is a really really strong team.
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Pretty awesome pickups for mouse; they are really going to be a scary team in team leagues now.
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I am a happy man right now, so sick .
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Yeah ... Mouz now Europes powerhouse without a doubt!
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Wow, mousesports looking super strong now. What a lineup!!!
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isn't Protosser still on mouz?
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United States33369 Posts
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mouz besten EU team jetzt
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Damn,did not expect this! Mouz easily best foreigner only team.
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GG. mouz becoming EU powerhouse!
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Mana, Hasuobs, LucifroN and Vortix. That is one hell of a ace line up for Mouz.
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Totally unexpected, totally awesome for anyone but Karont3 and its fans.
Mouz has always been a powerhouse, but now it's even worse/better according for what team you are cheering.
Sick pick.
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Welcome back to relevancy mousesports SC2!
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SICK!!!
Switching team icon REIT NAO!
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Sick pickup, congrats !
Bros sticking together is cute.
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On May 31 2013 03:13 reskyyy wrote:
WHERE PROTOSSER ON THE ROSTER LIST WTF? HE GOT KICKED?
While two new players join the team, one former player will leave: Jonne "Protosser" Sotala and mousesports decided to part ways. We would like to thank Sotala for his time in mousesports as he was always a very loyal and reliable player.
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Oh what the hell, that's what i call a good addition to your roster. :D
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so karonte has to resign from every team competition? they dont have enough players left.
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And once again Mouz has a pretty good rooster =)
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Nice pick up for mouz
But what's left at K3?
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Wow, huge news. Mouz will be crushing EU teams now.
So I wonder what happens to K3 in ATC at this point.
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Great news indeed!
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Good move for both parties! But I really liked the badass K3 artwork/logo, will miss that.
Go Luci and (especially) VortiX!
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Good day to be a mouz fan. Really excited about this. I miss the days when mouz would just win all the foreign team tournaments. Guess we're back to that time.
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Poor karont3 
Gl for the new beginning to all of them
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DAT PICKUP!!!!!
gglückwunsch, mäuse!
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gogo mouz gaming house for WCS incoming !!!!!!!
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On May 31 2013 03:08 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 03:07 Tenks wrote:
I assume that means K3 is pretty much gone then? I would assume so. Cool move for them personally and a nice shot in the arm for Mouz. Nice pickups. EDIT: How does this affect ATC?
If ATC requires a locked in roster then I can see K3 fulfilling their commitment and playing out the league. If not, then it would be hard to say since mouz would definitely want them to play under their banner.
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United Kingdom3482 Posts
On May 31 2013 03:18 yoshi245 wrote:
Wow, huge news. Mouz will be crushing EU teams now.
So I wonder what happens to K3 in ATC at this point.
I guess they have to drop out given that even with Socke they only have three players. Would be weird if VortiX and LucifroN kept playing for them while mouz is still in the tournament.
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Didn't see that coming at all. They played for Karont3 2 hours ago. Fortunately Millenium played against mouz yesterday. :D
Very good pick from mouz, congratulations to both parts. Maybe time to win a 4th DreamHack ?
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This is so epic !!!! Mouz fighting !!!! So happy )))
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Wow, mouz is a real Powerhouse now, they already were a strong team before, but with DuranDuran, they'll dominate, congratz to all involved.
On the downside, that probably means the effective death of Karonte.
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Really unexpected, wtf was EG doing ? Really glad for mouz
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Damn.
Guess the 'Not moving' thing was serious if they rejected EG.
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Wow this is great news for Mousesports.
Excting :D
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Wow Mouz got a sick lineup now :D
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Awesome pickup, but K3 is pretty much dead now. Kinda sad, but it will be cool to see mouz get better. I'm glad they're refreshing their SC2 lineup.
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Sick. Strongest EU Team for sure.
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Mouzsports new best foreign team?
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wow, huge news. Grats to both parties
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huge loss for Karonte and a huge gain for mouz. i thought that they would never leave Karonte3 as their brother (or somebody close) was running the entire team.
it must have been a ton of money to get both of them to mouz.
gl.
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I hope mouz will crush team leagues again like back in the day. I think this new squad is even stronger than the old team (Mana, Thorzain, Hasu, Morrow). The Duran brothers are awesome, Mana and Hasu are still very strong players, they also added Illusion and last but not least Heromarine has been kicking some serious ass lately. Things are looking great for mouz.
UMPUMPEN DA!
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About time they were on a high profile team. It is kind of adorable that they come as a pair though XD
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Oh boy... mouz re-arming with the big guns. :O
Congratz to all! But what will happen in ATC now?
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add Dimaga and i will change my fav team to mouz ; )
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Mouz was looking pretty bad recently, huge pickup from them that put them back in the top foreigners team, gratz!
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Oh YES!
This is the mouz i want to see.
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Wow.. Suddenly Mouz looks pretty damn good team MaNa, Hasuobs Lucifron, Vortix, Illusion...
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Holy sh**, what a crazy lineup. Kicks ass.
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Those WCS EU viewer-numbers are really having an impact. Sweet!
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brb picking Mouz logo for my posts...
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Well at least Karont3 still has Socke for the teamstory cup
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it would be so cool if they would set up a practice house for WCS. They could push each other by huge amounts.
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I wonder what make them accept that offer since they refused the EG one back a few months ago.
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Mouz needed this!
Wow so happy for everyone (:
This was meant to happen sooner or later with so much potential in the Duran brothers
So happy they went with mouz
And excited that mouz looks so strong without any koreans!
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Wouah I didn't expect that.
GL !
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Oh, would anyone be so kind to translate that for the Spanish-impaired among us?
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On May 31 2013 03:25 Noocta wrote:
I wonder what make them accept that offer since they refused the EG one back a few months ago.
EG = big money with big constraints. Maybe they didn't like the latter part. Or they wanted to stick together too and other teams didn't agree with that.
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On May 31 2013 03:25 Noocta wrote:
I wonder what make them accept that offer since they refused the EG one back a few months ago.
The EG made an offer for them? I'm not surprised but I must have completely missed that. Got a source on that?
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woah! Mouz might be the strongest foreigner team now...
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wow, big !
mouz flair popping everywhere !
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huge pickups for mouz congrats!
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On May 31 2013 03:26 ACrow wrote:Oh, would anyone be so kind to translate that for the Spanish-impaired among us?
If noone does it before i finish up some stuff, i will do it later.
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On May 31 2013 03:27 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 03:26 ACrow wrote:Oh, would anyone be so kind to translate that for the Spanish-impaired among us? If noone does it before i finish up some stuff, i will do it later.
Appreciated, thanks!
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So Mouz have finally got some good Zerg and Terran
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Russian Federation134 Posts
Wow!!! So happy for Mousesports and for the brothers! Best news of the year!
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Who could expect that ? Nice shot from Mouz :D
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So i just had to change my TL Icon to mousesports now! :D
Sorry Socke, you'll always be my #1 player! 
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time for a new szenecast.
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SIIICCKKKKKK!!! Two of my favourite players. Mouz gogo!!
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Wow, this is brilliant for both mousesports and LucifroN and VortiX. Congrats to both :D
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"... one of the most powerful RTS team in modern gaming history". The wait for the first honest announcement was, is and will always be an eternal affair, but this hubris just takes the price =P Their roster between the departure of Thorzain and the addition of the Duran brothers literally doesn't have a single major individual tournament accomplishment to its name. Decency in advertising, please.
With that out of the way, congrats to the Duran brothers, most of all Lucifron! Although he made it all the way to Ro8 in WCS EU Premier, he could have finished even higher I believe. Hopefully this will give him a boost.
edit:spelling
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On May 31 2013 03:26 ACrow wrote:Oh, would anyone be so kind to translate that for the Spanish-impaired among us?
Long story short: k3 is a young organisation with limited fund and they could only keep the Duran bros for so long. No hard feeling, they understand their move and with them good luck.
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Wow, great pick up! Grats to both Mouz and the brothers!
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On May 31 2013 03:31 Swiv wrote:
time for a new szenecast.
meh...it has been time for a new szenecast since forever^^
So happy for mouz! They are the best non Korean team now for sure. And with many players in Code S EU. I count 4, right?
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On May 31 2013 03:31 Swiv wrote:
time for a new szenecast.
+1 so much !
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Canada16217 Posts
sick pick ups
congrats to both!
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Why ?
Please, I just want to know why ?
I don't want to be spoilsport, but this is very bad.
VortiX and LucifroN have been refusing the offer of many team (Team Liquid and EG are probably two of them). By staying with Karont3, they maintained an image of Spanish Armada refusing to play for money. They were the two captains of a small team and they were considered as they two best foreigners.
But now, this pick just ruined everything.
The Spanish Armada and Karont3 e-sport will never be the same again...
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just WOW.
mouz best foreigner team now?
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fuck yes! go mouz and go luci and vortix ^^
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o_o ... What happened to Karont3 then? They still have Vipro, and maybe a couple of others? Very confused by this ..
Sounds really cool though, and I wish everyone involved the best of luck!!!
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That is an amazing pickup! Good luck to both!
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Suddenly mousesports is one of the absolute scariest teams again.. oÔ
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Awesome news for Mouz and the Spanish armada! Mouz really is looking like #1 EU team now
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Even tho Portugal as a love/hate relationship with Spain, i really like the two "nuestros hermanos" players
Good for them and for Mouz.. really bad for Karont3 tho!
Mouz is a contender again and they have 3 top euro players now, altho Mana needs to pick up the pace because he is lacking in HoTs
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On May 31 2013 03:33 Hermanoid wrote:
"... one of the most powerful RTS team in modern gaming history". The wait for the first honest announcement was, is and will always be an eternal affair, but this hubris just takes the price =P Their roster between the departure of Thorzain and the addition of the Duran brothers literally doesn't have a single major individual tournament accomplishment to its name. Decency in advertising, please.
I don't see anything wrong with that statement. "Modern gaming history" isn't a clear term, that could include a few years before SC2 even came out. And mouz as a team as well as their individual players had some great results in SC2 (Tzain, Mana, Hasu, Morrow). They are arguably the most successful European team and "one of the most powerful" doesn't mean that TL and EG aren't still stronger. Combine that with the fact that a PR announcement obviously isn't gonna say "3rd or 4th best foreigner team" and this is the most normal statement in the world.
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Epic
Really love lucifrons Play and the charakter of both Him and vortix
Now that they have joined my favorite team i can like them even more
now mouz is finally the best foreign team again - NICE
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FUCK YES!
Sorry Liquid, my favorite team just changed. :D
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On May 31 2013 03:33 Hermanoid wrote:
"... one of the most powerful RTS team in modern gaming history". The wait for the first honest announcement was, is and will always be an eternal affair, but this hubris just takes the price =P Their roster between the departure of Thorzain and the addition of the Duran brothers literally doesn't have a single major individual tournament accomplishment to its name. Decency in advertising, please.
With that out of the way, congrats to the Duran brothers, most of all Lucifron! Although he made it all the way to Ro8 in WCS EU Premier, he could have finished even higher I belive. Hopefully this will give him a boost.
??? Look at MaNa's accomplishments.
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On May 31 2013 03:34 KingMel wrote:
Why ?
Please, I just want to know why ?
I don't want to be spoilsport, but this is very bad.
VortiX and LucifroN have been refusing the offer of many team (Team Liquid and EG are probably two of them). By staying with Karont3, they maintained an image of Spanish Armada refusing to play for money. They were the two captains of a small team and they were considered as they two best foreigners.
But now, this pick just ruined everything.
The Spanish Armada and Karont3 e-sport will never be the same again...
Because if you want to play full time, you need to eat, so you need better contracts and they outgrew Karont3. It happens all the time, Thorzain and Praetoriani (which died after he left), Snute and Gamer's League...
Players deserve the best contracts possible and this is a competitive market, just like any other sport.
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Mouz looking pretty strong now.
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good news. GL to the bros.
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Holy moly, mouz! This is some neat pick up. Vortix even going full time pro... this will be awesome.
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wowowowowow Lucifron on TL would have been nice
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They never leave each other, aren't they?
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Wow... that was unexpected. I belive mouz will pick off some incredible stuff soon, would be omgsuperawsum if they get DIMAGA aswell.
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On May 31 2013 03:40 Zaphid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 03:34 KingMel wrote:
Why ?
Please, I just want to know why ?
I don't want to be spoilsport, but this is very bad.
VortiX and LucifroN have been refusing the offer of many team (Team Liquid and EG are probably two of them). By staying with Karont3, they maintained an image of Spanish Armada refusing to play for money. They were the two captains of a small team and they were considered as they two best foreigners.
But now, this pick just ruined everything.
The Spanish Armada and Karont3 e-sport will never be the same again... Because if you want to play full time, you need to eat, so you need better contracts and they outgrew Karont3. It happens all the time, Thorzain and Praetoriani (which died after he left), Snute and Gamer's League... Players deserve the best contracts possible and this is a competitive market, just like any other sport.
Not to mention that a job opportunity in spain is quite rare these days T.T they're taking a break from Uni, better get money and bitches while they can.
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ok. Basically... (K3 article)
There are few things that hurt more than saying goodbye. Its going to take time to associate the "Duran brother" to another esports club...
Being realistic, Karont3 without the "big" resources/sponsors has done so much in such a short period of time. All thanks to these two guys, Ozone and Versus Gamers, players, and of course, fans...
Since the beginning the brothes played high-stakes esports by staying on K3 and rejecting some big offers. But opportunities wont be around for ever, and as for the situation right now, its time to take advantage of some offers...
At the end we are happy for them and we wish them the best of luck for Vortix and Lucifron, and K3 will always have the doors wide open for the brothers who gave us so much joy and good memories...
Now lets show them our support! Here are the last words of Vortix and Lucifron and Karont3 members...
(Im at work I got to go! If nobody does this by evening I'll do it brothers)
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Belgica34432 Posts
Holy shit this is huge, grats to both parties
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I'm sad and happy at the same time. Really nice that Mouz gets stronger with such nice players. And also a good opportunity for Lucifron and Vortix. But it's really sad for Karont3. They pretty much lost about 80-90% of their strength. Guess they couldn't hold on to them with their potential salary bigger teams could offer.
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By the way, does anyone know why mouz didn't send MaNa two matches in a row in TeamStory Cup ? Seems weird.
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Best Clan in 2013: Mouz-Esports! Such a good rooster. I like it that no koreans are in their line-up. Not because I dislike koreans but it is just awesome to see a foreigner team with only foreigners. ROOT FOR MOUZ!
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Mouse sports will now continue to resurface as one of the top and dominant EU teams and Karont.3 will fade out of existence. Sad but also amazing. Really excited and happy about this pick up.
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Team Liquid says tyvm for the free win
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Nobody expects the durán inquisition! :O
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Holy shit, this is sick!
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Nice, gratz to both parties !
I would be interested to know how the their brother, the Karont3 manager feels about this.
They are a family.
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On May 31 2013 03:40 Zaphid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 03:34 KingMel wrote:
Why ?
Please, I just want to know why ?
I don't want to be spoilsport, but this is very bad.
VortiX and LucifroN have been refusing the offer of many team (Team Liquid and EG are probably two of them). By staying with Karont3, they maintained an image of Spanish Armada refusing to play for money. They were the two captains of a small team and they were considered as they two best foreigners.
But now, this pick just ruined everything.
The Spanish Armada and Karont3 e-sport will never be the same again... Because if you want to play full time, you need to eat, so you need better contracts and they outgrew Karont3. It happens all the time, Thorzain and Praetoriani (which died after he left), Snute and Gamer's League... Players deserve the best contracts possible and this is a competitive market, just like any other sport.
Karont3 is far from being in lack of money, on the contrary.
For the number of Sc2 players they have, they got an incredible amount of sponsors and money (Ozone, Versus Gamers, Twitch...) + all the money VortiX & LucifroN win in online tournaments...
If you add the fact that the team manager, Ryo, is the third Duran brother, this is just toally incomprehensible.
Really, I think this trade is a bad idea.
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Sad news for karonte
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On May 31 2013 03:46 Boucot wrote:
By the way, does anyone know why mouz didn't send MaNa two matches in a row in TeamStory Cup ? Seems weird.
Can only speculate, but his WCS group is on june 4th; I would assume , that he is hiding builds for this.
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Russian Federation604 Posts
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On May 31 2013 03:50 KingMel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 03:40 Zaphid wrote:On May 31 2013 03:34 KingMel wrote:
Why ?
Please, I just want to know why ?
I don't want to be spoilsport, but this is very bad.
VortiX and LucifroN have been refusing the offer of many team (Team Liquid and EG are probably two of them). By staying with Karont3, they maintained an image of Spanish Armada refusing to play for money. They were the two captains of a small team and they were considered as they two best foreigners.
But now, this pick just ruined everything.
The Spanish Armada and Karont3 e-sport will never be the same again... Because if you want to play full time, you need to eat, so you need better contracts and they outgrew Karont3. It happens all the time, Thorzain and Praetoriani (which died after he left), Snute and Gamer's League... Players deserve the best contracts possible and this is a competitive market, just like any other sport. Karont3 is far from being in lack of money, on the contrary. For the number of Sc2 players they have, they got an incredible amount of sponsors and money (Ozone, Versus Gamers, Twitch...) + all the money VortiX & LucifroN win in online tournaments... If you add the fact that the team manager, Ryo, is the third Duran brother, this is just toally incomprehensible. Really, I think this trade is a bad idea.
Number of sponsorship <> amount of money they get from sponsorships. And K3 is not only a Sc2 team, they've got rosters for other games.
If K3 doesn't allow them to go to all the tournaments they want to participate in, it's the right move for them.
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woah, that's big. can't help but wonder about Karont3, especially considering their brother is the manager, but mouz is gonna be sick city now. funny thing is they are instantly pretty much the best two players on a team that was already very strong (well, Mana might be stronger than Vortix).
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On May 31 2013 03:50 KingMel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 03:40 Zaphid wrote:On May 31 2013 03:34 KingMel wrote:
Why ?
Please, I just want to know why ?
I don't want to be spoilsport, but this is very bad.
VortiX and LucifroN have been refusing the offer of many team (Team Liquid and EG are probably two of them). By staying with Karont3, they maintained an image of Spanish Armada refusing to play for money. They were the two captains of a small team and they were considered as they two best foreigners.
But now, this pick just ruined everything.
The Spanish Armada and Karont3 e-sport will never be the same again... Because if you want to play full time, you need to eat, so you need better contracts and they outgrew Karont3. It happens all the time, Thorzain and Praetoriani (which died after he left), Snute and Gamer's League... Players deserve the best contracts possible and this is a competitive market, just like any other sport. Karont3 is far from being in lack of money, on the contrary. For the number of Sc2 players they have, they got an incredible amount of sponsors and money (Ozone, Versus Gamers, Twitch...) + all the money VortiX & LucifroN win in online tournaments... If you add the fact that the team manager, Ryo, is the third Duran brother, this is just toally incomprehensible. Really, I think this trade is a bad idea.
mouz is by far richer than K3. Not even close.
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Really sad news for karont3 and the Spanish SC2 scene in general...
Best of luck for both brothers.
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Damn! not sure If this is good or bad in the long term sure Mouz is stronger then ever but on the other hand Karont3 goes back into obscurity. I would like to see more strong teams instead of every good player being packed into the aldready huge powerhouse teams.
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Wow ... this is a HUGE movie for mousesports and completely unexpected.
Congratulations to mousesports and the brothers.
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Mind my weak translation.
Karont3 Razor¨
There must be only a few things more painful for a club than say goodbye to two figures so representative for the team, both of them have carried the banner and colours of Karont3 e-Sports Club beyond what i migh have dreamed, literally around the world. It's going to take time to associate the name Moreno Durán to a club which isn't Karont3.
But it is time to put the feet on the ground, karont3 is a young club with a spectacular tour in a short lapse of time, but humble, withouth the resources of the "great" right now. The weight of the organization is sustained by two persons with the support of their sponsors Ozone and Versus Gamers, players, contributors, and their fanbase.
Both, Pedro and Juan betted from the beginning for this project...
... but the opportunities do not always come, and being realistic the things are not that well to turn its back to some offers.
from the club we mourn their departure, but we can only feel happy for them, and wish them the best of lucks to LucifroN and VortiX, Karont3 e-Sports Club will forever have its doors open to "the brothers" that had gave us so many joys...
There is not much to tell, short story, the offer was too good to pass, no hard feelings. Best hopes for them.
The four interviews are pretty much about it being a bittersweet feeling for all of them, thanks to team mates and hoping the best of luck to all of them.
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now they have a non-korean only GREAT team.
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Well, that changes the Acer Team challenge a good bit, Now it's team Socke in second place, and mouz is gonna be SSSSSSSOOOOOOOO strong. Might even be able to beat MVP
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Russian Federation367 Posts
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K3 CEO and co-founder tweeted this:
Rough translation: I will also openly say that the German's club behaviour was more than deplorable. Good luck to the brothers, they deserve it.
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Mouz has a sick lineup now ! I feel a bit sad for Socke though. I hope he'll show good results with K3.
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Definitely an enormous pickup, which has really catapulted the roster strength of Mouz immensely. Still, I found myself chuckling a bit at some of the hubris in the announcement. ^^
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On May 31 2013 03:57 DBS wrote:
Well, that changes the Acer Team challenge a good bit, Now it's team Socke in second place, and mouz is gonna be SSSSSSSOOOOOOOO strong. Might even be able to beat MVP
pretty sure they finish the season in their respective teams no?
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so sick! Loved mouz before but now even more! Chris+Luci+Vortix :D Wonder what's next for the manager brother back in K3
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I want another mouz vs Millenium right now !
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gg no re,
I only feel somewhat sad for the players/people left at k3 and what will happen to them in the team league? And what about their 3rd brother?! D:
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On May 31 2013 03:58 Aynophae wrote:K3 CEO and co-founder tweeted this: https://twitter.com/H_Calvo/status/340172600519053313 Rough translation: I will also openly say that the German's club behaviour was more than deplorable. Good luck to the brothers, they deserve it.
Just read that, I'm curious about the details, but i guess mousesports talked to the brothers istead of the managers first.
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It changes the face of EU scene like nothing before. Huge.
And ATC is kinda fucked :p
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
Well, I guess K3 is done for.
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Mouz became relevant again. Cool.
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Probably, it´s a hard blow to Karont3, and it really saddens me, since they are their best players and they gave the team a lot of exposure. Understandable if the offer was that good (hopefully it was). At this point i wonder if VortiX will go full time progamer again.
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On May 31 2013 03:58 Aynophae wrote:K3 CEO and co-founder tweeted this: https://twitter.com/H_Calvo/status/340172600519053313 Rough translation: I will also openly say that the German's club behaviour was more than deplorable. Good luck to the brothers, they deserve it.
wth
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Very nice. I kept wondering why they didn't join another team, even recently thinking about it a few days ago.
Still a surprise though : )
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Holy shit. Mouz is a force to reckon with now
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Good move for the brothers, but I think Karont3 is going to be back at about the level Western Wolves before SortOf starting showing some good results. I also like how they used the K3 uniforms and just cropped the logos out.
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Funny, how fast things chance. Like 5month ago mouz only had Hasu+MaNa and now look at their lineup. :D
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wow what amazing pick ups gratz mouz
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Yowza! Well, it was only a matter of time before a premier EU team picked them up. I wish them the best!
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On May 31 2013 04:03 Vorhard wrote:Just read that, I'm curious about the details, but i guess mousesports talked to the brothers istead of the managers first.
Their brother is one of the managers, it would be really strange if they didn't
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What is happening to Karont3 then . Did I miss an anouncement?
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That's a very curious move. mouz couldn't even keep ThorZaIN when he got an offer from EG and now they suddenly can buy VortiX and LucifroN despite the fact that EG have been offering so much money to them for a long long time. Combined that with the fact that Stephano is retiring and EG would have the money to divide its former player salary and still outbid mouz by far.
There is something fishy in this transfer.
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I guess it´s more about the viewership of WCS EU giving something to show to sponsors on Europe Otolia.
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Damn! Gratz to mouz, great pickups.
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This lineup is BAWS!
They will be so powerful in team leagues :D!
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On May 31 2013 04:06 Godwrath wrote:
At this point i wonder if VortiX will go full time progamer again.
http://www.esl.eu/es/sc2/news/222414/
In that interview he states that is quite possible he'd go full time pro either next June or next year.
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Very nice, Mousesports needed something like this.
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whoa, big news. grats to mouz
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On May 31 2013 04:14 Realgodi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 04:06 Godwrath wrote:
At this point i wonder if VortiX will go full time progamer again. http://www.esl.eu/es/sc2/news/222414/In that interview he states that is quite possible he'd go full time pro either next June or next year.
Gracias.
That´s a nice interview.
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On May 31 2013 04:12 Otolia wrote:
That's a very curious move. mouz couldn't even keep ThorZaIN when he got an offer from EG and now they suddenly can buy VortiX and LucifroN despite the fact that EG have been offering so much money to them for a long long time. Combined that with the fact that Stephano is retiring and EG would have the money to divide its former player salary and still outbid mouz by far.
There is something fishy in this transfer.
Maybe they don't want to join EG?
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On May 31 2013 04:12 Otolia wrote:
That's a very curious move. mouz couldn't even keep ThorZaIN when he got an offer from EG and now they suddenly can buy VortiX and LucifroN despite the fact that EG have been offering so much money to them for a long long time. Combined that with the fact that Stephano is retiring and EG would have the money to divide its former player salary and still outbid mouz by far.
There is something fishy in this transfer.
There is more to a transfer than just money. The most likely case would be that Lucifron and Vortix would not like the contract they've been offered. Maybe they wouldn't want to stream a certain amount of time a week, or they had absolutely no interest to ever go to Korea to play in Proleague. Maybe they wanted to stay with an European team. I would guess (based on tournament winnings) that neither Lucifron nor Vortix are poor, so money would most definitely not be the only factor for them when switching a team.
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On May 31 2013 04:12 Otolia wrote:
That's a very curious move. mouz couldn't even keep ThorZaIN when he got an offer from EG and now they suddenly can buy VortiX and LucifroN despite the fact that EG have been offering so much money to them for a long long time. Combined that with the fact that Stephano is retiring and EG would have the money to divide its former player salary and still outbid mouz by far.
There is something fishy in this transfer.
I believe mouz has overtaken EG here.
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On May 31 2013 03:55 Godwrath wrote:Mind my weak translation. Show nested quote +Karont3 Razor¨
There must be only a few things more painful for a club than say goodbye to two figures so representative for the team, both of them have carried the banner and colours of Karont3 e-Sports Club beyond what i migh have dreamed, literally around the world. It's going to take time to associate the name Moreno Durán to a club which isn't Karont3.
But it is time to put the feet on the ground, karont3 is a young club with a spectacular tour in a short lapse of time, but humble, withouth the resources of the "great" right now. The weight of the organization is sustained by two persons with the support of their sponsors Ozone and Versus Gamers, players, contributors, and their fanbase.
Both, Pedro and Juan betted from the beginning for this project...
... but the opportunities do not always come, and being realistic the things are not that well to turn its back to some offers.
from the club we mourn their departure, but we can only feel happy for them, and wish them the best of lucks to LucifroN and VortiX, Karont3 e-Sports Club will forever have its doors open to "the brothers" that had gave us so many joys... There is not much to tell, short story, the offer was too good to pass, no hard feelings. Best hopes for them. The four interviews are pretty much about it being a bittersweet feeling for all of them, thanks to team mates and hoping the best of luck to all of them.
Thanks for the translation!
@ any mod: I know the OP is from mousesport and all, but could this maybe added or linked in the OP? Just to have both sides of the story? Otherwise this is gonna be asked for over and over again anyways
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Mouz is back with a scary line up now !
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Awesome news!
On May 31 2013 04:19 Girondelle wrote:scary line up
Indeed.
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annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd thats the end of karonte
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your Country52797 Posts
this is HUGE news, congrats to mousesports
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Where is Protosser? o_O ?
EDIT:
+ Show Spoiler +While two new players join the team, one former player will leave: Jonne "Protosser" Sotala and mousesports decided to part ways. We would like to thank Sotala for his time in mousesports as he was always a very loyal and reliable player.
FUCK
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On May 31 2013 04:22 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Where is Protosser? o_O ?
He is gone from mouz, which is quite understandable with sadly no results from him at all.
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Wow that's big, and I really wasn't expecting it. I guess I always just expected them to stay on K3 since it's a Spanish team, but I guess this really does make sense. The only reason I even know about K3 is because of these two, so it really seemed like they were outgrowing their team.
Great for them!
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What a nice entirely European roster they have now. Best of luck to them.
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Wow, huge pickup by mouz. Congratz to both, i think Lucifron and Vortix fit very well to mouz.
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Lucifron/vortix is really good^^ but i still gonna root for heromarine tho. Guy got game^^
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On May 31 2013 04:17 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 04:12 Otolia wrote:
That's a very curious move. mouz couldn't even keep ThorZaIN when he got an offer from EG and now they suddenly can buy VortiX and LucifroN despite the fact that EG have been offering so much money to them for a long long time. Combined that with the fact that Stephano is retiring and EG would have the money to divide its former player salary and still outbid mouz by far.
There is something fishy in this transfer. There is more to a transfer than just money. The most likely case would be that Lucifron and Vortix would not like the contract they've been offered. Maybe they wouldn't want to stream a certain amount of time a week, or they had absolutely no interest to ever go to Korea to play in Proleague. Maybe they wanted to stay with an European team. I would guess (based on tournament winnings) that neither Lucifron nor Vortix are poor, so money would most definitely not be the only factor for them when switching a team.
On May 31 2013 04:17 Dreamer.T wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 04:12 Otolia wrote:
That's a very curious move. mouz couldn't even keep ThorZaIN when he got an offer from EG and now they suddenly can buy VortiX and LucifroN despite the fact that EG have been offering so much money to them for a long long time. Combined that with the fact that Stephano is retiring and EG would have the money to divide its former player salary and still outbid mouz by far.
There is something fishy in this transfer. Maybe they don't want to join EG?
That's complete bullshit. They had their brother as manager. Why would you want to leave the best playing condition possible if not for money ?! Besides it's not like EG is demanding with their contracts. Stephano did the stuff he wanted all the time without any problem.
And it's not as if mouz was any successful right now. MaNa is carrying them in team league and they stand at 3-5 in the ATC while K3 is 5-2 (thanks to the brothers and Socke). They had no players in the top 8 of the WCS.
Thus this transfer is fishy. Something doesn't make sense here and if we consider what K3's owner tweeted, there is room for questioning.
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Big congrats to all! I really liked K3 tho.. I suppose K3 will disband and vanish now? :o
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incredible... too bad for karont3
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On May 31 2013 04:30 SpurvL wrote:
Big congrats to all! I really liked K3 tho.. I suppose K3 will disband and vanish now? :o
I doubt it. Or atleast, i hope not.
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On May 31 2013 04:12 Otolia wrote:
That's a very curious move. mouz couldn't even keep ThorZaIN when he got an offer from EG and now they suddenly can buy VortiX and LucifroN despite the fact that EG have been offering so much money to them for a long long time. Combined that with the fact that Stephano is retiring and EG would have the money to divide its former player salary and still outbid mouz by far.
There is something fishy in this transfer.
mousesports is Germany's top clan but didn't have a top team since their CS 1.6 flagship has gone. I think their other teams (Dota2, LoL?) aren't doing so well. They can't just do nothing, so I guess they started investing.
LucifroN and VortiX weren't committed fulltime into SC2 when they were offered a spot in EG, so maybe they didn't feel like going fulltime for EG or EG's offer wasn't as good because of that. They were mostly only known by insiders back then.
And don't neglect the positive effects of WCS EU. Suddenly, investing in SC2 is much more interesting for everyone. Such a sick day for the European scene. A new strong team is forming, ASUS ROG and Homestory Cup announced. The future is looking bright!
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good for them. it was expected that rather sooner (more fame) than later the small family clan would not be able to support both (moneywise) of them going forward.
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fuck yeah!!! Mouz is looking real strong now!
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I'm so happy for these 2 great gamers!!!
Congrats and enjoy your stay in an international clan! Your deserve it!
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mouz got so much scarier now : o
Fun to see a very strong EU team again
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On May 31 2013 04:35 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 04:12 Otolia wrote:
That's a very curious move. mouz couldn't even keep ThorZaIN when he got an offer from EG and now they suddenly can buy VortiX and LucifroN despite the fact that EG have been offering so much money to them for a long long time. Combined that with the fact that Stephano is retiring and EG would have the money to divide its former player salary and still outbid mouz by far.
There is something fishy in this transfer. mousesports is Germany's top clan but didn't have a top team since their CS 1.6 flagship has gone. I think their other teams (Dota2, LoL?) aren't doing so well. They can't just do nothing, so I guess they started investing.
Their Dota2 team is doing fine. They just won the qualifier for TI3. Not a top 3 team, but on a good day they can beat anyone. + Show Spoiler +And they're raping Liquid at the moment
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mouz is now a top foreign contender again :D
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SoCal, USA3955 Posts
Wowies, the brothers leave their brother's team. @@
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On May 31 2013 04:35 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 04:12 Otolia wrote:
That's a very curious move. mouz couldn't even keep ThorZaIN when he got an offer from EG and now they suddenly can buy VortiX and LucifroN despite the fact that EG have been offering so much money to them for a long long time. Combined that with the fact that Stephano is retiring and EG would have the money to divide its former player salary and still outbid mouz by far.
There is something fishy in this transfer. mousesports is Germany's top clan but didn't have a top team since their CS 1.6 flagship has gone. I think their other teams (Dota2, LoL?) aren't doing so well. They can't just do nothing, so I guess they started investing. LucifroN and VortiX weren't committed fulltime into SC2 when they were offered a spot in EG, so maybe they didn't feel like going fulltime for EG or EG's offer wasn't as good because of that. They were mostly only known by insiders back then. And don't neglect the positive effects of WCS EU. Suddenly, investing in SC2 is much more interesting for everyone. Such a sick day for the European scene. A new strong team is forming, ASUS ROG and Homestory Cup announced. The future is looking bright!
I understand all of this but at the same time, mouz has DotA2, LoL, WoT teams. Those can't come cheap.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this isn't a great transfer for all parties bar K3. It's just that there are things that aren't very clear here.
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Great News. Congrats to mouz and grats to Vortix and Lucifron too for beeing in a great team. :D
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On May 31 2013 04:40 shiroiusagi wrote:
Wowies, the brothers leave their brother's team. @@
eSports thicker than blood.
Gratz! Following Vortix since WC3.
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If anyone was a Karont3 fan for reasons other than this pair, they must find this news most saddening!
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follow both of them since WC3 =) Great pick up
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Oooooommmmmmgggg yyyeesss:-) I am so freaking happy right now:-))))
Mouz fighting!!
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On May 31 2013 04:46 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
If anyone was a Karont3 fan for reasons other than this pair, they must find this news most saddening!
LoLvsxD's nickname is enough to become a Karont3's fan.
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Damn, that's quite possibly the best pickup they could get. Gz for Vortix and Lucifron, and ofc Mousesports.
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HOLY FRUIT LOOPS I"VE BEEN DREAMING OF THIS DAY :')
Definitely the team with the most foreign depth now!
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On May 31 2013 04:29 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 04:17 Conti wrote:On May 31 2013 04:12 Otolia wrote:
That's a very curious move. mouz couldn't even keep ThorZaIN when he got an offer from EG and now they suddenly can buy VortiX and LucifroN despite the fact that EG have been offering so much money to them for a long long time. Combined that with the fact that Stephano is retiring and EG would have the money to divide its former player salary and still outbid mouz by far.
There is something fishy in this transfer. There is more to a transfer than just money. The most likely case would be that Lucifron and Vortix would not like the contract they've been offered. Maybe they wouldn't want to stream a certain amount of time a week, or they had absolutely no interest to ever go to Korea to play in Proleague. Maybe they wanted to stay with an European team. I would guess (based on tournament winnings) that neither Lucifron nor Vortix are poor, so money would most definitely not be the only factor for them when switching a team. Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 04:17 Dreamer.T wrote:On May 31 2013 04:12 Otolia wrote:
That's a very curious move. mouz couldn't even keep ThorZaIN when he got an offer from EG and now they suddenly can buy VortiX and LucifroN despite the fact that EG have been offering so much money to them for a long long time. Combined that with the fact that Stephano is retiring and EG would have the money to divide its former player salary and still outbid mouz by far.
There is something fishy in this transfer. Maybe they don't want to join EG? That's complete bullshit. They had their brother as manager. Why would you want to leave the best playing condition possible if not for money ?! Besides it's not like EG is demanding with their contracts. Stephano did the stuff he wanted all the time without any problem. And it's not as if mouz was any successful right now. MaNa is carrying them in team league and they stand at 3-5 in the ATC while K3 is 5-2 (thanks to the brothers and Socke). They had no players in the top 8 of the WCS. Thus this transfer is fishy. Something doesn't make sense here and if we consider what K3's owner tweeted, there is room for questioning.
Its very simple: the main reason is: they become full time profesional players. It had to be sooner or later and they need to grow up as profesionals practising with other top european players and going more usually at tournaments. the problem is now for Karont3 and the sc2 spanish scene.
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Wow nice, gz for them and for the team.
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Outstanding! Happy for them, and I can't wait till the day when the brothers go head to head in a tournament, have a falling out and Lucifron quits, only to join MouzeSports rival (TTeSports??) and challenge his brother to a bo100.
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On May 31 2013 04:45 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 04:35 SinCitta wrote:On May 31 2013 04:12 Otolia wrote:
That's a very curious move. mouz couldn't even keep ThorZaIN when he got an offer from EG and now they suddenly can buy VortiX and LucifroN despite the fact that EG have been offering so much money to them for a long long time. Combined that with the fact that Stephano is retiring and EG would have the money to divide its former player salary and still outbid mouz by far.
There is something fishy in this transfer. mousesports is Germany's top clan but didn't have a top team since their CS 1.6 flagship has gone. I think their other teams (Dota2, LoL?) aren't doing so well. They can't just do nothing, so I guess they started investing. LucifroN and VortiX weren't committed fulltime into SC2 when they were offered a spot in EG, so maybe they didn't feel like going fulltime for EG or EG's offer wasn't as good because of that. They were mostly only known by insiders back then. And don't neglect the positive effects of WCS EU. Suddenly, investing in SC2 is much more interesting for everyone. Such a sick day for the European scene. A new strong team is forming, ASUS ROG and Homestory Cup announced. The future is looking bright! I understand all of this but at the same time, mouz has DotA2, LoL, WoT teams. Those can't come cheap. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this isn't a great transfer for all parties bar K3. It's just that there are things that aren't very clear here.
I don't know what is unclear to you. Mousesports is the greatest european esports team you could wish for, they can remain in europe, they get salery, they get all trips paid, they get great practice partners, they don't have to stream all the time and they don't have to drink Redbull or something else all the time.
Sounds pretty good to me.
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Big! Gl to mouz, hope to see them shine in team leagues.
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On May 31 2013 04:51 IcookTacos wrote:
Damn, that's quite possibly the best pickup they could get. Gz for Vortix and Lucifron, and ofc Mousesports.
Meh, they should had hired Jürgen "  Mvp" Kummer.
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Wow... that is huge! But I somehow feel sorry for Karont3, these two were the clans figurehead.
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K3 is so screwed in the rest of the ATC
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OMG that's fucking awesome!!!!! Great pickup!
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mousesports now is the strongest foreign team by far... o.o
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Woah o.O feel kind of sorry for Karonte, but great for the Moreno brothers. Hope to see them really improve!
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Very nice. Great pickup and great fit.
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Nice
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Congratz to the Spanish Armada and to Mousesports for this pickup.
hope to see mousesports restored to its former glory, back in early and mid WoL! Great pickup, and the mousesports lineup looks great!
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Holy fuck! This is actually huge. Mouz is really gonna become a powerhouse now. Congratz !!!
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On May 31 2013 04:57 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 04:51 IcookTacos wrote:
Damn, that's quite possibly the best pickup they could get. Gz for Vortix and Lucifron, and ofc Mousesports. Meh, they should had hired Jürgen " Mvp" Kummer.
mouzMVP... genius.
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On May 31 2013 03:38 JayJay_90 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 03:33 Hermanoid wrote:
"... one of the most powerful RTS team in modern gaming history". The wait for the first honest announcement was, is and will always be an eternal affair, but this hubris just takes the price =P Their roster between the departure of Thorzain and the addition of the Duran brothers literally doesn't have a single major individual tournament accomplishment to its name. Decency in advertising, please.
I don't see anything wrong with that statement. "Modern gaming history" isn't a clear term, that could include a few years before SC2 even came out. And mouz as a team as well as their individual players had some great results in SC2 (Tzain, Mana, Hasu, Morrow). They are arguably the most successful European team and "one of the most powerful" doesn't mean that TL and EG aren't still stronger. Combine that with the fact that a PR announcement obviously isn't gonna say "3rd or 4th best foreigner team" and this is the most normal statement in the world.
Your argument that "modern gaming history" can go far back doesn't make the statement less hyperbolic. The wider the time-spectrum, the bolder the statement becomes. If we go back to the release of SC2, they'd have to trump an innumerable amount of rosters. Liquid with HuK in his prime on it, EG during Puma's killing spree, Fnatic during their Korea-endeavor, present Liquid, present EG, Root, Axiom and Acer whom all have koreans in the roster, not to mention every korean team in SC2 history, out of which some examples are IM when Nestea and MVP were as most dominant, NSHoseo while their racial trio (Sage, Seal and Sculp) were performing well, SlayerS before they dissolved, Startale during Parting/Squirtle...
The new Mouz are all arguably weaker than these ~10 historical/present teams. I think you can agree that they are definately weaker than atleast 7 of these and I didn't even touch on present korean teams. You can see that the statement of "...one of the strongest in history.." clearly becomes absolutely obsolete.
All in all, I'm just tired of all these pseudo-epic announcements =) That's the point I want to make. I even said (albeit in a fancy way) that I don't expect there to be a completely honest announcement ever. While nothing in them can be deemed outright incorrect because of the amount of ways in which things can be interpreted, nothing makes me want to follow a team with announcements like this. They're the eptiome of epitome-abuse.
...finally, someone pointed out that Mana does have accomplishments. That's right, I overlooked him. He even won Dreamhack, which is almost as huge as it gets in the foreign scene. None of the players other than Mana have any major accomplishments, however. The closest would be Hasu, who finished in Ro4 in TSL... in 2011.
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Karont3 e-SportsClub
@Karont3_Club
@Based_Drakea Salimos de todas las competiciones por equipos.
"We leave all team leagues."
(Or I'm awful at translating)
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On May 31 2013 03:11 Prplppleatr wrote:
what what what
Love that goblin zeppelin :D
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Germany never has enough...
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Holy crap this is awesome..
Mouz fighting <3
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Mouz has always been one of my favorite foreigner teams back in the days of Morrow, Thorzain and Bigs. The roster has long changed since, but with the additions of Vortix and Lucifron the team is rising up to be one of my favorites once again!
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so whtas gonna happen to the Duran brother that was running K3?is he gonna join his brothers in Mouz as management?
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On May 31 2013 03:46 Boucot wrote:
By the way, does anyone know why mouz didn't send MaNa two matches in a row in TeamStory Cup ? Seems weird.
He did a toothsurgery right before we played Millenium and is in a lot of pain, we're not gonna let a player suffer through it. Don't worry about him though, he'll be fine soon(TM).
On May 31 2013 05:31 LaG.Gaming wrote:
so whtas gonna happen to the Duran brother that was running K3?is he gonna join his brothers in Mouz as management?
No, we're currently not looking for managers.
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Karont3 close sc2 section, tomorrow will be the official statement.
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On May 31 2013 05:35 SpcteR wrote:
Karont3 close sc2 section, tomorrow will be the official statement.
Confirmed.
Yeah, hope they get paid.
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On May 31 2013 05:34 Wakerius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 03:46 Boucot wrote:
By the way, does anyone know why mouz didn't send MaNa two matches in a row in TeamStory Cup ? Seems weird. He did a toothsurgery right before we played Millenium and is in a lot of pain, we're not gonna let a player suffer through it. Don't worry about him though, he'll be fine soon(TM). Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 05:31 LaG.Gaming wrote:
so whtas gonna happen to the Duran brother that was running K3?is he gonna join his brothers in Mouz as management? No, we're currently not looking for managers. He was very fine with this move and in fact encouraged the brothers to do it.
Presumably K3 will be shutting down after this then, coupled with the other departures and their withdrawal from team leagues. Shame, pretty much the only place for homegrown talent in Spain to go without moving out of the country.
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This is *big* news, but you gotta feel for LoLvsXD and Vipro...K3 will probably succumb into oblivion without the Moreno Durán brothers.
EDIT: Yep, reading the few posts before me now. Vipro is BM as hell but very solid, hope he gets picked up...and I love the Spanish scene. LolvsXD will probably go to Aprender.
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Nice shit. Good to see an old team get some great players.
I'm looking forward to Lucifron doing great things especially.
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On May 31 2013 05:25 Hermanoid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 03:38 JayJay_90 wrote:On May 31 2013 03:33 Hermanoid wrote:
"... one of the most powerful RTS team in modern gaming history". The wait for the first honest announcement was, is and will always be an eternal affair, but this hubris just takes the price =P Their roster between the departure of Thorzain and the addition of the Duran brothers literally doesn't have a single major individual tournament accomplishment to its name. Decency in advertising, please.
I don't see anything wrong with that statement. "Modern gaming history" isn't a clear term, that could include a few years before SC2 even came out. And mouz as a team as well as their individual players had some great results in SC2 (Tzain, Mana, Hasu, Morrow). They are arguably the most successful European team and "one of the most powerful" doesn't mean that TL and EG aren't still stronger. Combine that with the fact that a PR announcement obviously isn't gonna say "3rd or 4th best foreigner team" and this is the most normal statement in the world. Your argument that "modern gaming history" can go far back doesn't make the statement less hyperbolic. The wider the time-spectrum, the bolder the statement becomes. If we go back to the release of SC2, they'd have to trump an innumerable amount of rosters. Liquid with HuK in his prime on it, EG during Puma's killing spree, Fnatic during their Korea-endeavor, present Liquid, present EG, Root, Axiom and Acer whom all have koreans in the roster, not to mention every korean team in SC2 history, out of which some examples are IM when Nestea and MVP were as most dominant, NSHoseo while their racial trio (Sage, Seal and Sculp) were performing well, SlayerS before they dissolved, Startale during Parting/Squirtle... The new Mouz are all arguably weaker than these ~10 historical/present teams. I think you can agree that they are definately weaker than atleast 7 of these and I didn't even touch on present korean teams. You can see that the statement of "...one of the strongest in history.." clearly becomes absolutely obsolete. All in all, I'm just tired of all these pseudo-epic announcements =) That's the point I want to make. I even said (albeit in a fancy way) that I don't expect there to be a completely honest announcement ever. While nothing in them can be deemed outright incorrect because of the amount of ways in which things can be interpreted, nothing makes me want to follow a team with announcements like this. They're the eptiome of epitome-abuse. ...finally, someone pointed out that Mana does have accomplishments. That's right, I overlooked him. He even won Dreamhack, which is almost as huge as it gets in the foreign scene. None of the players other than Mana have any major accomplishments, however. The closest would be Hasu, who finished in Ro4 in TSL... in 2011.
You misinterpret the title, it says "LucifroN & VortiX join mousesports to form strongest StarCraft II division in franchise history" and it's been pointed out that the franchise in that quote is about OUR franchise (Mousesports Ltd.), not Sc2 as a whole. We're meaning that our Sc2 squad has never looked this strong before in the history of Mousesports.
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I'm curious if the idea of mouz just absorbing K3 was ever brought up. I'm sure LoLvsXD and Vipro both wouldn't be too terribly expensive (seeing as they're pretty unknown) and it would add a little depth to their roster. Seems like when you're already getting half a team why not?
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On May 31 2013 05:40 Wakerius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 05:25 Hermanoid wrote:On May 31 2013 03:38 JayJay_90 wrote:On May 31 2013 03:33 Hermanoid wrote:
"... one of the most powerful RTS team in modern gaming history". The wait for the first honest announcement was, is and will always be an eternal affair, but this hubris just takes the price =P Their roster between the departure of Thorzain and the addition of the Duran brothers literally doesn't have a single major individual tournament accomplishment to its name. Decency in advertising, please.
I don't see anything wrong with that statement. "Modern gaming history" isn't a clear term, that could include a few years before SC2 even came out. And mouz as a team as well as their individual players had some great results in SC2 (Tzain, Mana, Hasu, Morrow). They are arguably the most successful European team and "one of the most powerful" doesn't mean that TL and EG aren't still stronger. Combine that with the fact that a PR announcement obviously isn't gonna say "3rd or 4th best foreigner team" and this is the most normal statement in the world. Your argument that "modern gaming history" can go far back doesn't make the statement less hyperbolic. The wider the time-spectrum, the bolder the statement becomes. If we go back to the release of SC2, they'd have to trump an innumerable amount of rosters. Liquid with HuK in his prime on it, EG during Puma's killing spree, Fnatic during their Korea-endeavor, present Liquid, present EG, Root, Axiom and Acer whom all have koreans in the roster, not to mention every korean team in SC2 history, out of which some examples are IM when Nestea and MVP were as most dominant, NSHoseo while their racial trio (Sage, Seal and Sculp) were performing well, SlayerS before they dissolved, Startale during Parting/Squirtle... The new Mouz are all arguably weaker than these ~10 historical/present teams. I think you can agree that they are definately weaker than atleast 7 of these and I didn't even touch on present korean teams. You can see that the statement of "...one of the strongest in history.." clearly becomes absolutely obsolete. All in all, I'm just tired of all these pseudo-epic announcements =) That's the point I want to make. I even said (albeit in a fancy way) that I don't expect there to be a completely honest announcement ever. While nothing in them can be deemed outright incorrect because of the amount of ways in which things can be interpreted, nothing makes me want to follow a team with announcements like this. They're the eptiome of epitome-abuse. ...finally, someone pointed out that Mana does have accomplishments. That's right, I overlooked him. He even won Dreamhack, which is almost as huge as it gets in the foreign scene. None of the players other than Mana have any major accomplishments, however. The closest would be Hasu, who finished in Ro4 in TSL... in 2011. You misinterpret the title, it says "LucifroN & VortiX join mousesports to form strongest StarCraft II division in franchise history" and it's been pointed out that the franchise in that quote is about OUR franchise (Mousesports Ltd.), not Sc2 as a whole. We're meaning that our Sc2 squad has never looked this strong before in the history of Mousesports.
Read your statement again, line 2. You go beyond SC2, expanding into "RTS". I guess we should count in WC3 too...
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HeroMarine and Lucifron, MaNa and HasuObs, hOpe and Vortix!!
Sick line up..
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https://twitter.com/H_Calvo
Héctor Calvo @H_Calvo 8min
@McRiggins_Game @LoLvsxDD Cerramos el equipo de SC2, un saludo.
They close the SC2 team. Sad day indeed.
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There goes Karont3, I suppose. T_T
Still, mousesports is a large org. Hopefully this will prove to be a professional improvement for our dear duo of top european players.
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Sad to see K3 go cause they were always kind of a fun underdog team to root for, but I'm really excited for Mouz to become a top tier team again. I miss the days of them being a huge threat, so it will be fun to have them back.
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really bad timing with Acer Teamstory Cup being so close to the playoffs. I wonder why they did not switch after it finishes or finish it regardless ( I mean Mousesports will not be qualified for the playoffs anyways so what would it hurt).
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On May 31 2013 03:34 KingMel wrote:
Why ?
Please, I just want to know why ?
I don't want to be spoilsport, but this is very bad.
VortiX and LucifroN have been refusing the offer of many team (Team Liquid and EG are probably two of them). By staying with Karont3, they maintained an image of Spanish Armada refusing to play for money. They were the two captains of a small team and they were considered as they two best foreigners.
But now, this pick just ruined everything.
The Spanish Armada and Karont3 e-sport will never be the same again...
I think they wanted a good functioning team. Not the money. And with HasuObs and MaNa they probably got the best teammates out there in the SC world.
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Wow, huge moves. Mouz was quiet last year after Thorzain and Morrow left. A lot of people were wondering what was going on with them. Then they add Illusion, Lucifron and Vortix this year. Beastly line up from Mouz now.
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On May 31 2013 05:50 TBO wrote:
really bad timing with Acer Teamstory Cup being so close to the playoffs. I wonder why they did not switch after it finishes or finish it regardless ( I mean Mousesports will not be qualified for the playoffs anyways so what would it hurt).
We are not close to the playoffs in fact, we aren't even at the half, there is a second round.
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Really a sad day for the spanish scene with k3
gl to the brothers, i will follow no matter the team.
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On May 31 2013 04:35 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 04:12 Otolia wrote:
That's a very curious move. mouz couldn't even keep ThorZaIN when he got an offer from EG and now they suddenly can buy VortiX and LucifroN despite the fact that EG have been offering so much money to them for a long long time. Combined that with the fact that Stephano is retiring and EG would have the money to divide its former player salary and still outbid mouz by far.
There is something fishy in this transfer. mousesports is Germany's top clan but didn't have a top team since their CS 1.6 flagship has gone. I think their other teams (Dota2, LoL?) aren't doing so well. They can't just do nothing, so I guess they started investing. ...
I can`t speak for the LoL Team, but mouz` Dota2 squad is fearsome. They can (and already have) beat every top tier team out there.
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Mousesports still the best team!
Very happy that they got the super mario bros.
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Poland3748 Posts
Yes!
Protoss: MaNa
Terran: Lucifron
Zerg: VortiX
golden trio!
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mouz-SC2's massive teamleague history will continue now I hope :> ....
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Huge pick ups for mousesports
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Unexpected. Great pickup mousesports. GL to both of them.
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Nice to see mouz being the Bayern Munich of german eSport again.
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Nice pick ups, best of luck in the future!
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On May 31 2013 06:00 Awesomeness wrote:
Nice to see mouz being the Bayern Munich of german eSport again.
So ... who plays ribery's role in mouz ? ....
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Who's this sponsor, Geil? Doesn't that mean horny in german?
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On May 31 2013 05:53 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 05:50 TBO wrote:
really bad timing with Acer Teamstory Cup being so close to the playoffs. I wonder why they did not switch after it finishes or finish it regardless ( I mean Mousesports will not be qualified for the playoffs anyways so what would it hurt). We are not close to the playoffs in fact, we aren't even at the half, there is a second round.
oh wow my mistake. I guess the liquipedia editors also aren't too aware of it anymore as MVP is marked green (qualified) and mouz, quantic and root are marked red. Then I guess it makes sense.
However ATC cup rules state that the lineup is fixed during the season(unless admin exception but I don't see why changing from one participating team to another one mid-season would be a valid exception), so I wonder if Lucifron and Vortix are eligible for the 2nd round.
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Congrats Mouz and Lucifron bros!
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shit, thats a sick pickup. Mouz is looking fucking strong now
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On May 31 2013 06:04 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 06:00 Awesomeness wrote:
Nice to see mouz being the Bayern Munich of german eSport again. So ... who plays ribery's role in mouz ? ....
Lucifron obv.
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Unexpected, but a good surprise for everyone. The Spanish Inquisition brothers have always been on the best of the European scene, and a great team like mousesports just helps them get better.
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On May 31 2013 06:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Unexpected, but a good surprise for everyone. The Spanish Inquisition brothers have always been on the best of the European scene, and a great team like mousesports just helps them get better.
.... fitting then that no one expected the spanish inquisition.
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Wow . . . mouzsports just became freakin sick . . .Mana, Lucifron, and Vortix. What a trio!
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I'm afraid of how this is going to affect the Spanish SCII scene. It's already not the strongest scene in EU, and K3 was always been the team of reference internationally and something to look up to.
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On May 31 2013 06:05 TBO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 05:53 Boucot wrote:On May 31 2013 05:50 TBO wrote:
really bad timing with Acer Teamstory Cup being so close to the playoffs. I wonder why they did not switch after it finishes or finish it regardless ( I mean Mousesports will not be qualified for the playoffs anyways so what would it hurt). We are not close to the playoffs in fact, we aren't even at the half, there is a second round. oh wow my mistake. I guess the liquipedia editors also aren't too aware of it anymore as MVP is marked green (qualified) and mouz, quantic and root are marked red. Then I guess it makes sense. However ATC cup rules state that the lineup is fixed during the season(unless admin exception but I don't see why changing from one participating team to another one mid-season would be a valid exception), so I wonder if Lucifron and Vortix are eligible for the 2nd round.
It hasn't been announced publicly by TaKeTV, I guess, atleast I can't find any news about this on their website or anywhere.
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On May 31 2013 06:05 Arnstein wrote:
Who's this sponsor, Geil? Doesn't that mean horny in german?
Yes and no, depending on the context. Geil also means awesome, whereas "scharf" also can mean horny. And/or spicy. Germans have a lot of words for alot of stuff.. ^^
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"to form one of the most powerful RTS teams in modern gaming history." Laughed at this. Still a great move by them though, they deserved a bigger team.
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On May 31 2013 06:05 Arnstein wrote:
Who's this sponsor, Geil? Doesn't that mean horny in german?
GEIL is a memory producer from taiwan, and yes, among others
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
WOOOOOOW
Did not see that coming, Grats Mouz! Just become so much stronger again. Might start picking up some wins in the Team Leagues again now also.
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On May 31 2013 06:05 TBO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 05:53 Boucot wrote:On May 31 2013 05:50 TBO wrote:
really bad timing with Acer Teamstory Cup being so close to the playoffs. I wonder why they did not switch after it finishes or finish it regardless ( I mean Mousesports will not be qualified for the playoffs anyways so what would it hurt). We are not close to the playoffs in fact, we aren't even at the half, there is a second round. oh wow my mistake. I guess the liquipedia editors also aren't too aware of it anymore as MVP is marked green (qualified) and mouz, quantic and root are marked red. Then I guess it makes sense. However ATC cup rules state that the lineup is fixed during the season(unless admin exception but I don't see why changing from one participating team to another one mid-season would be a valid exception), so I wonder if Lucifron and Vortix are eligible for the 2nd round.
Yes, it's really not clear but Kaoru said it this afternoon and I believe him. But I'd like an official statement by TaKe, there has not been a single news on the ATC website since March.
And if you read this article on TeamLiquidPro, it looks like they are not even aware either : http://www.teamliquidpro.com/news/2013/05/30/liquid-vs-karont3-in-acer-teamstory-cup
As a regular Liquipedia editor for ATC, I'd like to remove the green and red marks but I'm still waiting for an official statement.
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greatest RTS <something> of all time
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Holy shit , I am so glad for the brothers!
Gratz and Good luck!
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Sad for karont3, but I want to send mouz into pro league after they settled in. Just so they have challenging opponents. Mouz makes players play way better in team games.
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mouz suddenly got a lot more interesting...
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Daaaaaannnngggg
Poor Karont3. Their roster just got shot completely...
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Must have been a deal, "You get both of us or none of us."
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Good luck to Mouz in the future!
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Good news, I wonder how this will affect the performance of the brothers.
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On May 31 2013 06:55 EnumaAvalon wrote:
Must have been a deal, "You get both of us or none of us."
Why? Both are amazing players that mouz would also have been happy to sign individually. Maybe they wanted to stay together, but there is no reason to think they had to force mouz into signing both.
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SICK pick up by mouz, grats to all parties involved
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"...they will form the most powerful StarCraft II division in franchise history ever."
Not sure I'd go that far.
Better than IM? Startale? KT? SKT? Basically any Korean team other than a few smaller/newer ones is better than mouz, sorry.
But Mouz will be a lot sicker now and these two are certainly two of the best in Europe.
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On May 31 2013 07:15 Nuclease wrote:
"...they will form the most powerful StarCraft II division in franchise history ever."
Not sure I'd go that far.
Better than IM? Startale? KT? SKT? Basically any Korean team other than a few smaller/newer ones is better than mouz, sorry.
But Mouz will be a lot sicker now and these two are certainly two of the best in Europe.
They mean in mouz's history.
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Congrats, very much so deserved! They're both absolutely phenomenal players.
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edit: nvm
AND CONGRATS to Lucifron and Vortix!
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Really big; mousesports has one of the strongest foreigner lineups now.
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most powerful starcraft 2 division in franchise history huh? Anyway, sick pick up. gratz!
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Wow!!! So sick gratz to all.
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Nice. One of the few foreigner Terrans that I love to watch
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Definite nice pickup, hopefully Mouz will start to be scary again xD
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mhaahahah sounds really good
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I find it hard to believe that EG wasn't interested in them. Wonder why. EG would/should have won any kind of bid war, so I wonder what's up.
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On May 31 2013 08:00 Mohdoo wrote:
I find it hard to believe that EG wasn't interested in them. Wonder why. EG would/should have won any kind of bid war, so I wonder what's up.
That was many months back though. EG might now be more interested in expanding its Korean presence due to PL, whereas Mouz is a very euro-centric team.
Congrats on Mouz, but it sucks to see K3 disband. I wonder what will happen in the teamstory cup now.
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On May 31 2013 08:02 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 08:00 Mohdoo wrote:
I find it hard to believe that EG wasn't interested in them. Wonder why. EG would/should have won any kind of bid war, so I wonder what's up. That was many months back though. EG might now be more interested in expanding its Korean presence due to PL, whereas Mouz is a very euro-centric team. Congrats on Mouz, but it sucks to see K3 disband. I wonder what will happen in the teamstory cup now.
They said on Twitter that they withdrew from all team leagues.
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On May 31 2013 08:02 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 08:00 Mohdoo wrote:
I find it hard to believe that EG wasn't interested in them. Wonder why. EG would/should have won any kind of bid war, so I wonder what's up. That was many months back though. EG might now be more interested in expanding its Korean presence due to PL, whereas Mouz is a very euro-centric team.
All that is fine but the timing doesn't really fit. Mouz has tried to recruit them before, so did EG and so did Millenium when LucifroN was still the terran that only play during summer. What did mouz propose that got them into the team that EG couldn't meet easily ?
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On May 31 2013 08:11 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 08:02 Bagration wrote:On May 31 2013 08:00 Mohdoo wrote:
I find it hard to believe that EG wasn't interested in them. Wonder why. EG would/should have won any kind of bid war, so I wonder what's up. That was many months back though. EG might now be more interested in expanding its Korean presence due to PL, whereas Mouz is a very euro-centric team. All that is fine but the timing doesn't really fit. Mouz has tried to recruit them before, so did EG and so did Millenium when LucifroN was still the terran that only play during summer. What did mouz propose that got them into the team that EG couldn't meet easily ?
Broodwursts ? Seriously, let it die.
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Congrats to everyone involved! Luci and Vortix are always fun to watch.
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On May 31 2013 08:11 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 08:02 Bagration wrote:On May 31 2013 08:00 Mohdoo wrote:
I find it hard to believe that EG wasn't interested in them. Wonder why. EG would/should have won any kind of bid war, so I wonder what's up. That was many months back though. EG might now be more interested in expanding its Korean presence due to PL, whereas Mouz is a very euro-centric team. Congrats on Mouz, but it sucks to see K3 disband. I wonder what will happen in the teamstory cup now. They said on Twitter that they withdrew from all team leagues.
That sucks, they were probably going to make the playoffs of Teamstory Cup too :\
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Mouz looking like the strongest foreign team once again.
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massive pickup for mouz. instantly makes the team look from decently strong to unstoppable in terms of foreign teamleagues O_O
congrats to both mouz and the brothers! <3 :D
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Good T and Z pickup
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Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
How is that the most powerful lineup?
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Best news in ages, so happy for both the Moreno Duran brothers and mousesports, this brings back memories of the old mouz team league hit squad! I think they have put together another incredible foreign team that I'll happily root for against any opponent.
Only sucks for ATC because the LucifroN/Socktix vs the world story was even cooler than anything mouz can produce now, I hope we'll still see LucifroN at the finals now.
If I hadn't gotten so used to my trusty RoX.KIS flair and if I had given up all hope about a fraer revival, I'd strongly consider changing my flair to the mousesports one, they have a very skilled and extremely likeable roster.
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WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW! That is fucking awesome for both the Durán brothers and for mouz!
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On May 31 2013 08:51 StarVe wrote:
Best news in ages, so happy for both the Moreno Duran brothers and mousesports, this brings back memories of the old mouz team league hit squad! I think they have put together another incredible foreign team that I'll happily root for against any opponent.
Only sucks for ATC because the LucifroN/Socktix vs the world story was even cooler than anything mouz can produce now, I hope we'll still see LucifroN at the finals now.
If I hadn't gotten so used to my trusty RoX.KIS flair and if I had given up all hope about a fraer revival, I'd strongly consider changing my flair to the mousesports one, they have a very skilled and extremely likeable roster.
Do you think it'd be possible that DIMAGA's new team is RoX.KIS ?
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Next month, Karont3 disbands. ;O;
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LoLvsxD is teamless now , he's normally top 50/70 GM, im sure he can find a new home also : )
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On May 31 2013 09:12 AcidMinded wrote:
Next month, Karont3 disbands. ;O;
They said they will announce the SC2 section closing tomorrow.
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On May 31 2013 09:03 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 08:51 StarVe wrote:
Best news in ages, so happy for both the Moreno Duran brothers and mousesports, this brings back memories of the old mouz team league hit squad! I think they have put together another incredible foreign team that I'll happily root for against any opponent.
Only sucks for ATC because the LucifroN/Socktix vs the world story was even cooler than anything mouz can produce now, I hope we'll still see LucifroN at the finals now.
If I hadn't gotten so used to my trusty RoX.KIS flair and if I had given up all hope about a fraer revival, I'd strongly consider changing my flair to the mousesports one, they have a very skilled and extremely likeable roster. Do you think it'd be possible that DIMAGA's new team is RoX.KIS ?
No clue, but I kinda doubt it, they only just got sLivko back.
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mouz got a strong line-up actually.
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On May 31 2013 09:39 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 09:03 Boucot wrote:On May 31 2013 08:51 StarVe wrote:
Best news in ages, so happy for both the Moreno Duran brothers and mousesports, this brings back memories of the old mouz team league hit squad! I think they have put together another incredible foreign team that I'll happily root for against any opponent.
Only sucks for ATC because the LucifroN/Socktix vs the world story was even cooler than anything mouz can produce now, I hope we'll still see LucifroN at the finals now.
If I hadn't gotten so used to my trusty RoX.KIS flair and if I had given up all hope about a fraer revival, I'd strongly consider changing my flair to the mousesports one, they have a very skilled and extremely likeable roster. Do you think it'd be possible that DIMAGA's new team is RoX.KIS ? No clue, but I kinda doubt it, they only just got sLivko back.
slivko rejoined?
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that is one stacked team now.
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Nice, mouz is looking really strong.
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This is huge! I'm actually more excited my the news of vortix playing full time!
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Wow, and just like that mouz becomes perhaps the strongest EU team. Nice pickups.
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Suddenly mouz sport is back on the map in a big way.
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this announcement is slightly more impressive than fnatic's acquisition of hellokitty to their academy roster
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On May 31 2013 11:34 simmeh wrote:
this announcement is slightly more impressive than fnatic's acquisition of hellokitty to their academy roster
lol ? that guy is not even in the main team. he is in the academy how is that awesome ? ....
hope mouz go and play gstl :D would be crazy
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wasn't a huge fan of mous, didn't think they were that great...but WOW huge fan of the Duran bro's. great sign for everyone
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On May 31 2013 11:59 xsnac wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 11:34 simmeh wrote:
this announcement is slightly more impressive than fnatic's acquisition of hellokitty to their academy roster lol ? that guy is not even in the main team. he is in the academy how is that awesome ? .... hope mouz go and play gstl :D would be crazy
It's very unlikely but it would be badass. Maybe if they build a partnership with an other team (korean or not, AZUBU is german after all).
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This kinda blows for Karont3 =/ I was hoping someone would sponsor them somehow, but pretty good news for some really good players.
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Too bad they weren't around to help mouz beat Scarlett today :p
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Sickest pickup in EU. This makes mousesport a real powerhouse for sure. Grats to both.
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What is going to happen to their previous team?
I am sure mouz will be great for them though. They can only get better on it.
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karonte3 is gone with that, wha<ts about acer leageu now ?
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On May 31 2013 14:02 ElMeanYo wrote:
Too bad they weren't around to help mouz beat Scarlett today :p
Lucifron helped Karont beat TL :'(
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On May 31 2013 11:32 Krogan wrote:
Suddenly mouz sport is back on the map in a big way.
This.
I don´t know how they do it. They´re probably the best team in terms of results vs publicity. So quiet, yet so successful.
Still, it would hilarious, if mouz wouldn´t qualify for the playoffs in the acer teamstory cup, after Karonte disbanding.
P.S.: Get Socke!
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
That is some really goddamn good lineup they have now.
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Definitely didn't see this coming!
mmmm, so tempting to change my icon to mouz now, K3 was tempting enough. Would feel bad to abandon Prime in their time of struggle though!
Great to see them go to a stronger team, although would've been fun to see Karont3 at the ATC playoffs
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Suddenly Mouz looks so cool now! 
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France9034 Posts
Aww shit that's quite huge !
But ... what about K3 ?
Mouz, two years later, still destroying teams by picking their best players (Praetoriani.... )
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wow great news, congrats to these felllas.
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On May 31 2013 14:51 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 14:02 ElMeanYo wrote:
Too bad they weren't around to help mouz beat Scarlett today :p Lucifron helped Karont beat TL :'(
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On May 31 2013 16:46 Ragnarork wrote:Aww shit that's quite huge ! But ... what about K3 ? Mouz, two years later, still destroying teams by picking their best players (Praetoriani.... )
K3 is closing its Starcraft 2 roster until further notice. LoLvsXD is leaving and most likely Vipro will be released.
Sad day for SC2 in Spain.
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Wow that's really rough for K3. Hopefully they talked about this inside the team beforehand.
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best possible pickup for my favorite team!
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gratz to mouz and brothers
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France9034 Posts
On May 31 2013 17:00 Eviscerador wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 16:46 Ragnarork wrote:Aww shit that's quite huge ! But ... what about K3 ? Mouz, two years later, still destroying teams by picking their best players (Praetoriani.... ) K3 is closing its Starcraft 2 roster until further notice. LoLvsXD is leaving and most likely Vipro will be released. Sad day for SC2 in Spain.
I was thinking about that, yeah. K3 was the only sort-of Spain powerhouse (well, a 2-players-powerhouse, maybe 3 with AlaStor, though not on the same level).
Oh hey, if Mvp is german, Mousesports can be spanish.
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Why did they actually decide to move though? The Duran brothers have been approached by teams which most would consider to have more bargaining power than mousesports. Were they not getting a competitive salary from Karont3?
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gratz to them and mouz - but... who is writing these most and one of world's best "press releases"?!?
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On May 31 2013 17:36 mikkmagro wrote:
Why did they actually decide to move though? The Duran brothers have been approached by teams which most would consider to have more bargaining power than mousesports. Were they not getting a competitive salary from Karont3?
I guess the other teams had enough money for one player, but maybe not for two. I imagine that the brothers didn't want to be splited and it might have been a problem during negociations.
Just guessing though.
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On May 31 2013 17:36 mikkmagro wrote:
Why did they actually decide to move though? The Duran brothers have been approached by teams which most would consider to have more bargaining power than mousesports. Were they not getting a competitive salary from Karont3?
They wanted to stay in Spain, so EG was not an option, and the Mouz offer was quite good.
K3 paid them well, but Mouz just will pay them better. It is just a matter of numbers.
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Best brother duo SC2 players ever, congrats to them and congrats to Mouz for picking them up!
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Now I just want ThorZaIN back
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Congratulations to Luci, Vortix and Mouz! I hope this pans well for all of them!!
I wonder what will happen with ATC though, since K3 were in 2nd place and Mouz is already technically eliminated. They could have announced this as a 'merge' of sorts rather than an acquisition of K3, so that they could claim mouz-K3 should hold the 2nd place. As it is now, I can only see them eliminating Karont3 from the rooster, oppening the playoffs spot to the 5th place, and then Mouz will probably have to win every single match from now on and have some extra luck to make it. Unfortunate.
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I feel bad for K3 and for the Spanish scene :/ But with the support of Mouz will be much easier for Luci & VortiX to focus fulltime on gaming without worrying about anything else. Best of luck! We'll be there cheering for you as always
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Gl to them with mousesports.
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Nice, the powerful american brothers
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Nice pickup. As i recall Mouz was trying to acuire Lucifron for quite some time now.
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On May 31 2013 17:01 FakePseudo wrote:
Wow that's really rough for K3. Hopefully they talked about this inside the team beforehand.
Isn't Luci's and Vortix' big brother, Ryo, the manager of K3?
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Great pickup! Look out for more things to come from these brothers!
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why is everyone saying "oh mouz couldnt outbid anyone"?
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On May 31 2013 20:03 Longtimer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 17:01 FakePseudo wrote:
Wow that's really rough for K3. Hopefully they talked about this inside the team beforehand. Isn't Luci's and Vortix' big brother, Ryo, the manager of K3?
No, he is part of the staff, but he is not the manager.
In fact he is still working with K3 and won't go to Mouz with his brothers.
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Wow that came unexpected O_O
Huge deal for mouz but what happens to K3 now? It has to be harsh to lose their best 2 players.
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On May 31 2013 20:24 LordErebus wrote:
Wow that came unexpected O_O
Huge deal for mouz but what happens to K3 now? It has to be harsh to lose their best 2 players.
They are shutting down the sc2 team. I wonder if they are shutting down because of the brothers leaving the team or if the brothers left because they were shutting down. Official announcement is to be released today.
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On May 31 2013 20:21 Eviscerador wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 20:03 Longtimer wrote:On May 31 2013 17:01 FakePseudo wrote:
Wow that's really rough for K3. Hopefully they talked about this inside the team beforehand. Isn't Luci's and Vortix' big brother, Ryo, the manager of K3? No, he is part of the staff, but he is not the manager. In fact he is still working with K3 and won't go to Mouz with his brothers.
OK. Can't believe Luci and Vortix would hurt anyone though, so maybe they were informed that K3 SC2 division would shut down before they moved to mouz? They have seemed very loyal before, at least.
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On May 31 2013 20:31 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 20:24 LordErebus wrote:
Wow that came unexpected O_O
Huge deal for mouz but what happens to K3 now? It has to be harsh to lose their best 2 players. They are shutting down the sc2 team. I wonder if they are shutting down because of the brothers leaving the team or if the brothers left because they were shutting down. Official announcement is to be released today.
Very likely it's the first option. Probably similar to Thorzain/Nightend and Praetoriani.
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Great pickup! Mouz is building themselves a pretty nice lineup.
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aw i'm a bit sad for karont3, they were fun to root for. mouz is cool, though
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I imagine this has to do with Luci's WCS performance, which was far from bad, but just not enough to really put Karont3 on the SC2 map. Wish them all the best with mouz, please teach hasu how to end a game.
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"aswell as the rising stars Gabriel "mouz HeroMarine" Segat,.."
errr... no !
Congratz to mousesports for that pickup, that's really nice !
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Checks date... Its not April 1st...
Cheers for Mouz
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0 comments on the english mousesports thread, 2 on the german site..... Not the first time i notice that in big teams, that's weird. On Millenium, the fans comments a lot in the site (73 comments on this news for exemple). Why it's seems that there is no community on the other team site (except, of course, TL :p , and maybe the russian site of Empire) ?
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that is really sickkkk!!
mousesports
mousesports!! now !much more is on you.
Please, Produce content. advertise that sick roster : ) gl gl
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On May 31 2013 22:48 Wertheron wrote:
0 comments on the english mousesports thread, 2 on the german site..... Not the first time i notice that in big teams, that's weird. On Millenium, the fans comments a lot in the site (73 comments on this news for exemple). Why it's seems that there is no community on the other team site (except, of course, TL :p , and maybe the russian site of Empire) ?
RoX.KIS and goodgame.ru
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On May 31 2013 22:56 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 22:48 Wertheron wrote:
0 comments on the english mousesports thread, 2 on the german site..... Not the first time i notice that in big teams, that's weird. On Millenium, the fans comments a lot in the site (73 comments on this news for exemple). Why it's seems that there is no community on the other team site (except, of course, TL :p , and maybe the russian site of Empire) ? RoX.KIS and goodgame.ru
It's because those clan websites are often the community hub for people in their language.
In Germany, these things were separated about 10 years ago to professionalize and push these things as something with their own identity. Clans have their websites for their own things and fans, esports "journalism" went to readmore (from mTw website), fragster (from former readmore editor-in-chiefs) and escene, game specific websites and stream coverage to MyStarcraft (share ties with mousesports as both came from the same parent company), inStarcraft and TakeTV.
But all in all, those websites don't really flourish. The "journalism" websites are way past their prime and Germans aren't shy to go to English websites like TeamLiquid. So what is mostly left on the German websites are those that are uncomfortable in reading and writing English (<16 year olds) and newbies.
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On May 31 2013 23:22 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 22:56 StarVe wrote:On May 31 2013 22:48 Wertheron wrote:
0 comments on the english mousesports thread, 2 on the german site..... Not the first time i notice that in big teams, that's weird. On Millenium, the fans comments a lot in the site (73 comments on this news for exemple). Why it's seems that there is no community on the other team site (except, of course, TL :p , and maybe the russian site of Empire) ? RoX.KIS and goodgame.ru It's because those clan websites are often the community hub for people in their language. In Germany, these things were separated about 10 years ago to professionalize and push these things as something with their own identity. Clans have their websites for their own things and fans, esports "journalism" went to readmore (from mTw website), fragster (from former readmore editor-in-chiefs) and escene, game specific websites and stream coverage to MyStarcraft (share ties with mousesports as both came from the same parent company), inStarcraft and TakeTV. But all in all, those websites don't really flourish. The "journalism" websites are way past their prime and Germans aren't shy to go to English websites like TeamLiquid. So what is mostly left on the German websites are those that are uncomfortable in reading and writing English (<16 year olds) and newbies.
Well, the point is, Millenium site's main language is French, and it doesn't prevent a lot of reactions (in French)/traffic. And though Millenium has and has seen great players in its roster, I don't see them miles ahead of mouz in terms of Team size/popularity (I don't know if I could even really rank these).
The question is, why isn't there the same amount of german reactions in the german part of the mouz site ? As it's a german team, one could expect this, but it seems not to be the case.
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On May 31 2013 23:31 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 23:22 SinCitta wrote:On May 31 2013 22:56 StarVe wrote:On May 31 2013 22:48 Wertheron wrote:
0 comments on the english mousesports thread, 2 on the german site..... Not the first time i notice that in big teams, that's weird. On Millenium, the fans comments a lot in the site (73 comments on this news for exemple). Why it's seems that there is no community on the other team site (except, of course, TL :p , and maybe the russian site of Empire) ? RoX.KIS and goodgame.ru It's because those clan websites are often the community hub for people in their language. In Germany, these things were separated about 10 years ago to professionalize and push these things as something with their own identity. Clans have their websites for their own things and fans, esports "journalism" went to readmore (from mTw website), fragster (from former readmore editor-in-chiefs) and escene, game specific websites and stream coverage to MyStarcraft (share ties with mousesports as both came from the same parent company), inStarcraft and TakeTV. But all in all, those websites don't really flourish. The "journalism" websites are way past their prime and Germans aren't shy to go to English websites like TeamLiquid. So what is mostly left on the German websites are those that are uncomfortable in reading and writing English (<16 year olds) and newbies. Well, the point is, Millenium site's main language is French, and it doesn't prevent a lot of reactions (in French)/traffic. And though Millenium has and has seen great players in its roster, I don't see them miles ahead of mouz in terms of Team size/popularity (I don't know if I could even really rank these). The question is, why isn't there the same amount of german reactions in the german part of the mouz site ? As it's a german team, one could expect this, but it seems not to be the case.
the german community doesn't use/visit those teamsites for information/news -> no page community
if you are looking for forum posts/ news comments - try the game specific caster/community sites but don't expect much in terms of quality.
CS:S/CS 1.6/CS:GO are the only games where the +16 community resists english
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Great news for european Esports. Moreno Duran Brothers are awesome players, and suer they will improve if Mouz takes care of them.
Spanish Armada Fanboys, will follow them to any team that they choose!
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On June 01 2013 00:34 jaimepourotger wrote:
Great news for european Esports. Moreno Duran Brothers are awesome players, and suer they will improve if Mouz takes care of them.
Spanish Armada Fanboys, will follow them to any team that they choose!
While it is great that Mouz is getting a massive improvement its sad to see Karont3 essentially cease to exist.
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Wow didn't expect this AT ALL
Huge for Mouse and i guess cool for Luci + Vortix but sad to see K3 go
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Great move Mouz. K3 vanishing into the void
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What an awesome pick-up Mouz fighting!
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I don't think Karont3 was even paying them. They were doing with no salary, just with paid trips...
I guess if they are going to be full time by now, they are going to need some money! Does anyone know what is Luci going to do with the university? I think he didn't finish his studies.
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welcome to the game!
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On June 14 2013 04:18 Krushyn wrote:
mouzFlash sounds neat
1) No chance in hell Kespa would ever allow their #1 attraction to leave.
2) There is no way mouz could afford Flash without throwing away their whole roster practically.
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On June 14 2013 04:22 LimeNade wrote:1) No chance in hell Kespa would ever allow their #1 attraction to leave. 2) There is no way mouz could afford Flash without throwing away their whole roster practically.
Yea, something like mouzBisu sounds more realistic to me, especially considering his recent slump.
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