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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On May 23 2013 12:37 entropius wrote: I'm embarassed as hell of my government's xenophobia... what does xenophobia have to do with it? Violet broke immigration law. The same can happen to Violet if he had moved to Canada on a tourist visa and overstayed it, or if you moved to Korea and overstayed your visitors visa. | ||
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dakalro
Romania525 Posts
Someone at the place I work for was denied a VISA because he said in the interview he was going to the US to "work". Mind you he was not going to get employed in the US but offer support on a client site on one of our products ... which was mentioned in the letter our company US branch sent to the embassy. Tough luck, you're not supposed to joke with the visa people  | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4768 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On May 23 2013 05:39 Jibba wrote: This isn't just a US issue. Anyone that's ever had to attain a residence permit or a work visa in a foreign country has probably gone through a long and tiresome process. I'm curious when they actually began the process for Violet. In the meantime, the country/government bashing in this thread is getting out of hand. This is not a US-specific problem. You have to be able to se the difference between country bashing and pointing out a specific problem that in this case hoppens to be an american problem - i at least have never had to go through anything like that before and i travet quite a lot. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
 First I want to apologize to Blizzard,MLG, but most of all my fans. You know I have match tomorrow for Ro16 in MLG studio, but I can't go because of VISA troubles. I’m so sad my mental is broken… I’m really stuck, make me feel sick that I can’t compete. I trying to my best for other way it just take a little time, I do really apologize again very very sorry to Blizzard, MLG, and my fans.. So sad it is all my fault, I really appreciate that Blizzard and MLG trying to help. I wish the WCS and MLG will be success ending this season!!! Sorry once again. Always bad happened when i have chance in my life when i doing reall well since war3 i got house burn, when i code S, was really sick now.. i guess this WCS is really big and good chance for me so i was super excited im sure you too, being merican is so hard .. MURRRICA !! im never give up, please with me guys cheer for me i love my fans Cya have a great day | ||
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On May 23 2013 15:27 Silvanel wrote: Well, judging from Violets manager post the core of the problem is that US embassy do not recognize progaming as a true job, and therefore refused to issue work-permit (or however is necessary document called). That and the fact that Violet was working in US while legally being a tourist. So the US doesn't recognize pro-gaming as working (hence the refusal of the work-permit), but Violet gets in trouble because he worked as a pro-gamers? Am I missing something? | ||
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RyLai
United States477 Posts
On May 23 2013 15:27 Silvanel wrote: Well, judging from Violets manager post the core of the problem is that US embassy do not recognize progaming as a true job, and therefore refused to issue work-permit (or however is necessary document called). That and the fact that Violet was working in US while legally being a tourist. Okay that's just fucking retarded... No wonder NA sucks dick at the highest level, because the fucking government doesn't recognize it as working. | ||
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
Damn Violet, this tournament could´ve really used his outgoing personality. | ||
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shmget
118 Posts
On May 23 2013 05:03 TheButtonmen wrote: Someone in WCS Americas has to forfeit because they couldn't get a visa to get into America. If only there was someway to prevent this from being an issue.  Oh, Your are right. there is a way. WCS 'America' does not have to be held in the US. | ||
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shmget
118 Posts
On May 23 2013 05:49 rafaliusz wrote: Well, US doesn't want to become another France/UK. You realize that Poland is in Schengen too, right ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area On May 23 2013 05:49 rafaliusz wrote: I completely understand their visa system. you _completely_ understand it ? well you'd be one of the few. Most immigration lawyers don't, and even less random applicants. | ||
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csa_andrew
United States334 Posts
"First I want to make clear viOLet and myself take full responsibility for not being able to obtain the VISA. However, I will let you know that I have done more research on this subject the past 3 months and we even hired an immigration specialist to assist him after he was denied the first time around back in January. Also fishing for sympathy? I think you will see once viOLet tweets his statement that you will bite your tongue regarding that remark. He takes full responsibility for this and is very sorry for the effect it will have on WCS, MLG, and his fans. (directed at someone on reddit) viOLet was extremely well prepared for his interview and had all the necessary paperwork in order. What it comes down to is that Embassy Officials have an immense amount of power and can basically do what ever they please with no recourse to be taken against them. The process of getting any VISA whether it be a B1/F1/or O1 is not crystal clear. If you go and read VISA experiences on various travel websites you will see that there is no clear defined you need X,Y, and Z and your guaranteed to receive the VISA. There is some mandatory paperwork, and protocols/measures you can take which we prepared amply for but at the end of the day in extreme cases like viOLet's it can hurt your chances regardless. Also, as I stated above, because viOLet spent more time in the U.S. in 2012 than he did in Korea, that flags him in the system and makes it even more difficult. Also you mention that he was the only Korean not able to come, let me shed some light on this. For the past 2-3 years all the Koreans have been coming over to the U.S. on ESTA VISA waivers which technically isn't even the correct VISA to be competing for prize money. If customs were aware of this upon their entry it is likely they would get denied access to the U.S. viOLet's situation is an extreme case because of how much time he has spent in the U.S. previously. The other Koreans come in for the weekend and go back on the Monday after, not creating any red flags with immigration. So before you blame viOLet for dropping the ball, that was in fact not the case at all. Shit happens, sometimes out of our control." viOLet's Statement: "First I want to apologize to Blizzard,MLG, but most of all my fans. You know I have match tomorrow for Ro16 in MLG studio, but I can't go because of VISA troubles. I’m so sad my mental is broken… I’m really stuck, make me feel sick that I can’t compete. I trying to my best for other way it just take a little time, I do really apologize again very very sorry to Blizzard, MLG, and my fans.. So sad it is all my fault, I really appreciate that Blizzard and MLG trying to help. I wish the WCS and MLG will be success ending this season!!! Sorry once again." | ||
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shmget
118 Posts
On May 23 2013 07:34 lost_artz wrote: If people didn't abuse them we wouldn't need them in the 1st place. That funny. how could you abuse something if it did not exist 'in the 1st place' ? iow how could the 'abuse' of one thing be the cause of 'existence' of the same thing ? :-D | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
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Napoleon53
Denmark167 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 23 2013 15:44 Elroi wrote: You have to be able to se the difference between country bashing and pointing out a specific problem that in this case hoppens to be an american problem - i at least have never had to go through anything like that before and i travet quite a lot. Really? You've never heard of Fortress Europe? Because getting into Europe from outside the Schengen Area or being a non-EU citizen is a huge pain in the ass from a lot of places, moreso than getting into the US. And in this case, the issue was complicated due to his past visit with an extended stay and working on a tourist visa. I'm pretty sure there's very little about this that's unique to the US. Violate visa regulations and they'll give you trouble in Europe, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, etc. | ||
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StreetWise
United States594 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 23 2013 16:21 RyLai wrote: It's sad that this happens. Can't really say it's the country's fault though I do wish sometimes countries would make exceptions for this sort of thing. I'd say it's the manager's fault, aren't they usually the ones who handle this stuff? That's why professional athletes (to my limited knowledge so far) have never had this problem, at least not recently like in eSports. The managers of professional athletes actually work their asses off and give a damn about their clients. Okay that's just fucking retarded... No wonder NA sucks dick at the highest level, because the fucking government doesn't recognize it as working. Pro gamers have gotten EB2 visas before to come work in the US, so I doubt that's it. NoA did it and I believe so did coL. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
I thought I was pretty clear. All the WCS events are qualifiers. The EU/NA/KR tag doesn't really matter at all. The concept of what region you play has very little nuance in the bigger picture. At the end of the day, these players are trying to earn points/seeds into a Final. That's all it is. So if you're not happy with the current state of affairs. Perhaps you should get something trending like #BringbackSCNATIONWARs or some shit instead of special events like Gom presents World versus Korea b.s. You guys use Twitter or something right? If you want to wave your flags proudly perhaps you should let players/community know that you'd like to see Nation Wars make a comeback. It would be good for exposure anyway for all those outside of Korea. Doesn't take much to set up a team and get a caster as long as every other country follows. Really easy to set up. Just a question of doing it. We already have a good idea of which players are the go to guys and you can have really deep rosters so when a player is busy you have plenty of other guys who can step up to the plate. Players can nominate team captains by themselves and then it's just a question of setting up matches between other countries like the good ol' Brood War days. | ||
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