On May 03 2013 10:18 dddoushio wrote: Seriously? 2013 and we're still at "Nigger is a racist word"? Trying to justify what happened to orb is pathetic, it was the result of unfair persecution by Reddit. Orb was doing nothing but helping the community with his work at EG and a bunch of people got him fired for it. Not surprised he's not streaming anymore, I wouldn't want to be part of a community this toxic either.
You people with your delusional "hurr need to be PC to bring in sponsors" mindset will eventually kill this community for good.
Yes, in the year 2013, he "n word" is a racist word. Maybe if we were still in the 1950's your argument would suffice, but sadly we aren't. What's going to kill this community and scene is allowing people to parade around saying racist stuff. No sponsor is going to want their brand associated with people like that, even if what they said was in the past, Orb + EG is proof of that. Welcome to the real world.
On May 03 2013 07:35 ELYSiUMlol wrote: Really disappointing that you picked up Mewbert, he has repeatedly been incredibly BM to me on ladder, most of the time using very offensive racial slurs such as the N word, I sure hope he's gotten better since he called me a "n****rloving g**k sheep f****r" or I'll be sure to spread the word of the negative image I have of your academy team.
Oh yeah? Do you have any proof of this? A replay, a screen shot, anything? I doubt it or you probably would have posted it.
But if you do have proof, by all means share.
Around a year ago I played vs Mewbert in a 4chan sponsored tournament called the /vg/SL, here's the bracket: http://challonge.com/vgslNA1
He played under the name Foxer, which I'm sure anyone from the /vg/ community will vouch for or can confirm. In the semifinals I knocked him out 2-1, and he proceeded to explode at me, this is the only proof I have as I reformatted recently and haven't played any ladder in the last few months or so.
Here's a screenshot I took after he made a number of rude remarks following his defeat in a later /vg/ tournament: + Show Spoiler +
, this was followed by him being extremely offensive/racist every time we played on ladder or in subsequent tournaments.
Not sure how I can prove his ID was Foxer at the time but I'm sure anyone who knew him back then can confirm this for me.
So you don't have proof. You have your word, and a screen shot of a person on an account which may or may not be his. Anyway, whether it is really him or not is irrelevant because of how outdated that is. Why do you feel the need to bring something that is over a year old up now? If it really was mewby, I'm sure he regrets the things he said to you, as well as many other people. He apologized for his actions with InControl, which mind you was 9 months ago. And InControl has let it go. He has apologized for the resulting discussion in this thread, to his team mates, to incontrol, to DJ Wheat, to the people within Clarity.
So I ask you - Why bring something like this to light if you can't -really- substantiate your claim? It's not like you're coming in here to tell us that "2 weeks ago Mewby BM'd me on ladder, and you shouldn't trust him, he is lying to you and taking advantage of you, here is "x,y,z" for proof." You're just perpetuating the hate, and making my life more difficult.
You're not saving us from anything. We know he has an immature and troubling past. You are now just perpetuating this issue with something more minuscule, less proven, and more outdated than the Video from 9 months ago. A video by the way, which is the only -REAL- piece of evidence anyone has brought forward against Mewby and his former immature conduct.
We have seen that he has changed. We believe he is earnest in his change, and wants to make good on himself and his name. We have been seeing it for 8-9 weeks through actions and conversations. Read my posts above on this page. There is a reason I have gone at such lengths to stick out for him. I believe he is really making an effort to do the right thing.
If you or anyone else can bring forth -REAL- evidence to show us otherwise, I am interested. But this is not the case with what you have brought forth. Until evidence is brought forth (Evidence that is substantial, provable, and most importantly - RECENT) to show us that Mewby is nothing other than earnest in his ways, we will continue to support him.
Thanks, Mike
Foxer used to be his ID though and that character code belongs to him. I don't get it though, you asked the guy for proof such a screenshot, and he provided one. Now you're discrediting it?
Also calling someone the N word is not simply "immature" it's downright racist and brings out your true colors. There's a reason why EG had to get orb go. I'm sorry but if a respectable organization such as EG knows when it's time to cut the rope because of a racist past then I would think smaller organizations like CG would follow. I'm sure orb was also nothing other than earnest in his ways when he joined EG, but when racist remarks are part of your past, that's just too much baggage for even someone like EG to carry.
Seriously? 2013 and we're still at "Nigger is a racist word"? Trying to justify what happened to orb is pathetic, it was the result of unfair persecution by Reddit. Orb was doing nothing but helping the community with his work at EG and a bunch of people got him fired for it. Not surprised he's not streaming anymore, I wouldn't want to be part of a community this toxic either.
You people with your delusional "hurr need to be PC to bring in sponsors" mindset will eventually kill this community for good.
my favorite part of racism discussions are white people who try and say minorities shouldn't find slurs racist
On May 03 2013 07:35 ELYSiUMlol wrote: Really disappointing that you picked up Mewbert, he has repeatedly been incredibly BM to me on ladder, most of the time using very offensive racial slurs such as the N word, I sure hope he's gotten better since he called me a "n****rloving g**k sheep f****r" or I'll be sure to spread the word of the negative image I have of your academy team.
Oh yeah? Do you have any proof of this? A replay, a screen shot, anything? I doubt it or you probably would have posted it.
But if you do have proof, by all means share.
Around a year ago I played vs Mewbert in a 4chan sponsored tournament called the /vg/SL, here's the bracket: http://challonge.com/vgslNA1
He played under the name Foxer, which I'm sure anyone from the /vg/ community will vouch for or can confirm. In the semifinals I knocked him out 2-1, and he proceeded to explode at me, this is the only proof I have as I reformatted recently and haven't played any ladder in the last few months or so.
Here's a screenshot I took after he made a number of rude remarks following his defeat in a later /vg/ tournament: + Show Spoiler +
, this was followed by him being extremely offensive/racist every time we played on ladder or in subsequent tournaments.
Not sure how I can prove his ID was Foxer at the time but I'm sure anyone who knew him back then can confirm this for me.
So you don't have proof. You have your word, and a screen shot of a person on an account which may or may not be his. Anyway, whether it is really him or not is irrelevant because of how outdated that is. Why do you feel the need to bring something that is over a year old up now? If it really was mewby, I'm sure he regrets the things he said to you, as well as many other people. He apologized for his actions with InControl, which mind you was 9 months ago. And InControl has let it go. He has apologized for the resulting discussion in this thread, to his team mates, to incontrol, to DJ Wheat, to the people within Clarity.
So I ask you - Why bring something like this to light if you can't -really- substantiate your claim? It's not like you're coming in here to tell us that "2 weeks ago Mewby BM'd me on ladder, and you shouldn't trust him, he is lying to you and taking advantage of you, here is "x,y,z" for proof." You're just perpetuating the hate, and making my life more difficult.
You're not saving us from anything. We know he has an immature and troubling past. You are now just perpetuating this issue with something more minuscule, less proven, and more outdated than the Video from 9 months ago. A video by the way, which is the only -REAL- piece of evidence anyone has brought forward against Mewby and his former immature conduct.
We have seen that he has changed. We believe he is earnest in his change, and wants to make good on himself and his name. We have been seeing it for 8-9 weeks through actions and conversations. Read my posts above on this page. There is a reason I have gone at such lengths to stick out for him. I believe he is really making an effort to do the right thing.
If you or anyone else can bring forth -REAL- evidence to show us otherwise, I am interested. But this is not the case with what you have brought forth. Until evidence is brought forth (Evidence that is substantial, provable, and most importantly - RECENT) to show us that Mewby is nothing other than earnest in his ways, we will continue to support him.
Thanks, Mike
Foxer used to be his ID though and that character code belongs to him. I don't get it though, you asked the guy for proof such a screenshot, and he provided one. Now you're discrediting it?
Also calling someone the N word is not simply "immature" it's downright racist and brings out your true colors. There's a reason why EG had to get orb go. I'm sorry but if a respectable organization such as EG knows when it's time to cut the rope because of a racist past then I would think smaller organizations like CG would follow. I'm sure orb was also nothing other than earnest in his ways when he joined EG, but when racist remarks are part of your past, that's just too much baggage for even someone like EG to carry.
Seriously? 2013 and we're still at "Nigger is a racist word"? Trying to justify what happened to orb is pathetic, it was the result of unfair persecution by Reddit. Orb was doing nothing but helping the community with his work at EG and a bunch of people got him fired for it. Not surprised he's not streaming anymore, I wouldn't want to be part of a community this toxic either.
You people with your delusional "hurr need to be PC to bring in sponsors" mindset will eventually kill this community for good.
my favorite part of racism discussions are white people who try and say minorities shouldn't find slurs racist
kill yourself (◡‿◡✿)
My favorite part of "racism discussions" is when people automatically assume the other person is white, becoming a racist themselves.
I worked with Elige, Badcop and Bails before. All of them are awesome people and great players. I had a lot of fun watching them in the recent the WCS NA qualifiers, where they all got within a few series of qualifying. Be good to them Winter. Academies are great opportunities for up and comers to interact with the best. Is there going to be any interaction between them and the main team? I know these guys are probably too young, but will any move or visit the team house? Clarity has been working very well behind the scenes, its only a matter of time before one of their players makes a breakthrough. Good luck Clarity!
On May 03 2013 09:59 Uncultured wrote: Funny thing is now a lot more poeple know who Mewbie is. He's getting more attention and will be a more popular player because of this. People will want to see how he's matured and will be interested in him. It makes for a story, and hey, that's what we're all about, right :D
Anyways good luck to Clarity. I hope you crack the whip on these young nerds and turn them in to truly sick, disciplined starcraft players.
Thanks for your support! And yes, you're quite right. It will make for a good story, and the story has quite a strong start now.
On May 03 2013 07:35 ELYSiUMlol wrote: Really disappointing that you picked up Mewbert, he has repeatedly been incredibly BM to me on ladder, most of the time using very offensive racial slurs such as the N word, I sure hope he's gotten better since he called me a "n****rloving g**k sheep f****r" or I'll be sure to spread the word of the negative image I have of your academy team.
Oh yeah? Do you have any proof of this? A replay, a screen shot, anything? I doubt it or you probably would have posted it.
But if you do have proof, by all means share.
Around a year ago I played vs Mewbert in a 4chan sponsored tournament called the /vg/SL, here's the bracket: http://challonge.com/vgslNA1
He played under the name Foxer, which I'm sure anyone from the /vg/ community will vouch for or can confirm. In the semifinals I knocked him out 2-1, and he proceeded to explode at me, this is the only proof I have as I reformatted recently and haven't played any ladder in the last few months or so.
Here's a screenshot I took after he made a number of rude remarks following his defeat in a later /vg/ tournament: + Show Spoiler +
, this was followed by him being extremely offensive/racist every time we played on ladder or in subsequent tournaments.
Not sure how I can prove his ID was Foxer at the time but I'm sure anyone who knew him back then can confirm this for me.
So you don't have proof. You have your word, and a screen shot of a person on an account which may or may not be his. Anyway, whether it is really him or not is irrelevant because of how outdated that is. Why do you feel the need to bring something that is over a year old up now? If it really was mewby, I'm sure he regrets the things he said to you, as well as many other people. He apologized for his actions with InControl, which mind you was 9 months ago. And InControl has let it go. He has apologized for the resulting discussion in this thread, to his team mates, to incontrol, to DJ Wheat, to the people within Clarity.
So I ask you - Why bring something like this to light if you can't -really- substantiate your claim? It's not like you're coming in here to tell us that "2 weeks ago Mewby BM'd me on ladder, and you shouldn't trust him, he is lying to you and taking advantage of you, here is "x,y,z" for proof." You're just perpetuating the hate, and making my life more difficult.
You're not saving us from anything. We know he has an immature and troubling past. You are now just perpetuating this issue with something more minuscule, less proven, and more outdated than the Video from 9 months ago. A video by the way, which is the only -REAL- piece of evidence anyone has brought forward against Mewby and his former immature conduct.
We have seen that he has changed. We believe he is earnest in his change, and wants to make good on himself and his name. We have been seeing it for 8-9 weeks through actions and conversations. Read my posts above on this page. There is a reason I have gone at such lengths to stick out for him. I believe he is really making an effort to do the right thing.
If you or anyone else can bring forth -REAL- evidence to show us otherwise, I am interested. But this is not the case with what you have brought forth. Until evidence is brought forth (Evidence that is substantial, provable, and most importantly - RECENT) to show us that Mewby is nothing other than earnest in his ways, we will continue to support him.
Thanks, Mike
Foxer used to be his ID though and that character code belongs to him. I don't get it though, you asked the guy for proof such a screenshot, and he provided one. Now you're discrediting it?
Also calling someone the N word is not simply "immature" it's downright racist and brings out your true colors. There's a reason why EG had to get orb go. I'm sorry but if a respectable organization such as EG knows when it's time to cut the rope because of a racist past then I would think smaller organizations like CG would follow. I'm sure orb was also nothing other than earnest in his ways when he joined EG, but when racist remarks are part of your past, that's just too much baggage for even someone like EG to carry.
Seriously? 2013 and we're still at "Nigger is a racist word"? Trying to justify what happened to orb is pathetic, it was the result of unfair persecution by Reddit. Orb was doing nothing but helping the community with his work at EG and a bunch of people got him fired for it. Not surprised he's not streaming anymore, I wouldn't want to be part of a community this toxic either.
You people with your delusional "hurr need to be PC to bring in sponsors" mindset will eventually kill this community for good.
my favorite part of racism discussions are white people who try and say minorities shouldn't find slurs racist
kill yourself (◡‿◡✿)
My favorite part of "racism discussions" is when people automatically assume the other person is white, becoming a racist themselves.
On May 03 2013 10:53 VPreboot wrote: I worked with Elige, Badcop and Bails before. All of them are awesome people and great players. I had a lot of fun watching them in the recent the WCS NA qualifiers, where they all got within a few series of qualifying. Be good to them Winter. Academies are great opportunities for up and comers to interact with the best. Is there going to be any interaction between them and the main team? I know these guys are probably too young, but will any move or visit the team house? Clarity has been working very well behind the scenes, its only a matter of time before one of their players makes a breakthrough. Good luck Clarity!
Thanks Reboot! I will certainly continue to do my best. We're very proud to have the lot of them, they're all amazing players and good people (Yes, even Mewbert. Maybe he wasn't a year ago, but he is now).
There is plenty of crossover between the Academy and the A team, and there will also be opportunities to get them into the house. We have a caster/content producer moving into the house in the next few days so we'll finally be able to get some real content produced and published directly from the team house. It should make for a very productive summer going forward.
At this point, the entire Clarity team seems great, I've seen several of them stream before and they are cool, but I'm not sold about Mewby here. He has a bad past, not just that, he has blown up at people and there is evidence to prove it. He has asked for forgiveness, but I don't see any repenting being done just yet. I'm really just not sold on the dude, though my opinion matters fairly little. That is what the situation seems like atm.
On May 03 2013 11:21 docvoc wrote: At this point, the entire Clarity team seems great, I've seen several of them stream before and they are cool, but I'm not sold about Mewby here. He has a bad past, not just that, he has blown up at people and there is evidence to prove it. He has asked for forgiveness, but I don't see any repenting being done just yet. I'm really just not sold on the dude, though my opinion matters fairly little. That is what the situation seems like atm.
Well, I think your opinion matters more than others because you clearly are very capable of basic logic and reasoning. I appreciate the kind words about Clarity. I understand your reservations about Mewby. They are warranted, we won't argue with that. But he has made a public apology, and will continue to show the community that he has changed.
On May 03 2013 11:27 BoggieMan wrote: Do these guys have any achievements?
In terms of what? The Academy team? No, it's a brand new roster. Some of the players on the Academy team have individual achievements.
As an overall brand? No, but we're only 7 months old. Our Pro players have quite a few Achievements. We currently have 2 players in the WCS Premier league. Killer (formerly of Dignitas) is in WCS NA, and one of our Korean players - Shuttle, is in WCS EU premier division. We also house the Korean Zerg jookTo (formerly of oGS) who was a former Code S player. Our most recent recruit to our A team is Sterling, a Terran player who was A- rank in BW Iccup, a WCG Finalist, and WCS finalists in the finals years of NA BW.
So, there you have a few examples of achievements.
On May 03 2013 07:35 ELYSiUMlol wrote: Really disappointing that you picked up Mewbert, he has repeatedly been incredibly BM to me on ladder, most of the time using very offensive racial slurs such as the N word, I sure hope he's gotten better since he called me a "n****rloving g**k sheep f****r" or I'll be sure to spread the word of the negative image I have of your academy team.
Oh yeah? Do you have any proof of this? A replay, a screen shot, anything? I doubt it or you probably would have posted it.
But if you do have proof, by all means share.
Around a year ago I played vs Mewbert in a 4chan sponsored tournament called the /vg/SL, here's the bracket: http://challonge.com/vgslNA1
He played under the name Foxer, which I'm sure anyone from the /vg/ community will vouch for or can confirm. In the semifinals I knocked him out 2-1, and he proceeded to explode at me, this is the only proof I have as I reformatted recently and haven't played any ladder in the last few months or so.
Here's a screenshot I took after he made a number of rude remarks following his defeat in a later /vg/ tournament: + Show Spoiler +
, this was followed by him being extremely offensive/racist every time we played on ladder or in subsequent tournaments.
Not sure how I can prove his ID was Foxer at the time but I'm sure anyone who knew him back then can confirm this for me.
So you don't have proof. You have your word, and a screen shot of a person on an account which may or may not be his. Anyway, whether it is really him or not is irrelevant because of how outdated that is. Why do you feel the need to bring something that is over a year old up now? If it really was mewby, I'm sure he regrets the things he said to you, as well as many other people. He apologized for his actions with InControl, which mind you was 9 months ago. And InControl has let it go. He has apologized for the resulting discussion in this thread, to his team mates, to incontrol, to DJ Wheat, to the people within Clarity.
So I ask you - Why bring something like this to light if you can't -really- substantiate your claim? It's not like you're coming in here to tell us that "2 weeks ago Mewby BM'd me on ladder, and you shouldn't trust him, he is lying to you and taking advantage of you, here is "x,y,z" for proof." You're just perpetuating the hate, and making my life more difficult.
You're not saving us from anything. We know he has an immature and troubling past. You are now just perpetuating this issue with something more minuscule, less proven, and more outdated than the Video from 9 months ago. A video by the way, which is the only -REAL- piece of evidence anyone has brought forward against Mewby and his former immature conduct.
We have seen that he has changed. We believe he is earnest in his change, and wants to make good on himself and his name. We have been seeing it for 8-9 weeks through actions and conversations. Read my posts above on this page. There is a reason I have gone at such lengths to stick out for him. I believe he is really making an effort to do the right thing.
If you or anyone else can bring forth -REAL- evidence to show us otherwise, I am interested. But this is not the case with what you have brought forth. Until evidence is brought forth (Evidence that is substantial, provable, and most importantly - RECENT) to show us that Mewby is nothing other than earnest in his ways, we will continue to support him.
Thanks, Mike
Foxer used to be his ID though and that character code belongs to him. I don't get it though, you asked the guy for proof such a screenshot, and he provided one. Now you're discrediting it?
Also calling someone the N word is not simply "immature" it's downright racist and brings out your true colors. There's a reason why EG had to get orb go. I'm sorry but if a respectable organization such as EG knows when it's time to cut the rope because of a racist past then I would think smaller organizations like CG would follow. I'm sure orb was also nothing other than earnest in his ways when he joined EG, but when racist remarks are part of your past, that's just too much baggage for even someone like EG to carry.
Seriously? 2013 and we're still at "Nigger is a racist word"? Trying to justify what happened to orb is pathetic, it was the result of unfair persecution by Reddit. Orb was doing nothing but helping the community with his work at EG and a bunch of people got him fired for it. Not surprised he's not streaming anymore, I wouldn't want to be part of a community this toxic either.
You people with your delusional "hurr need to be PC to bring in sponsors" mindset will eventually kill this community for good.
my favorite part of racism discussions are white people who try and say minorities shouldn't find slurs racist
kill yourself (◡‿◡✿)
My favorite part of "racism discussions" is when people automatically assume the other person is white, becoming a racist themselves.
shaddup pisko rain is poopy
What? After a 'kill yourself (◡‿◡✿)' in your last post in this thread. Fucking ridiculous
On May 03 2013 11:21 docvoc wrote: At this point, the entire Clarity team seems great, I've seen several of them stream before and they are cool, but I'm not sold about Mewby here. He has a bad past, not just that, he has blown up at people and there is evidence to prove it. He has asked for forgiveness, but I don't see any repenting being done just yet. I'm really just not sold on the dude, though my opinion matters fairly little. That is what the situation seems like atm.
Well, I think your opinion matters more than others because you clearly are very capable of basic logic and reasoning. I appreciate the kind words about Clarity. I understand your reservations about Mewby. They are warranted, we won't argue with that. But he has made a public apology, and will continue to show the community that he has changed.
Thanks for sharing your input!
I'm willing to give you guys a shot, because your team is frankly amazing. If he turns around under your banner, I'll consider it not just a success, but a turning point in the NA scene (mostly because that kind of thing has never happened). Thank you for the kind words haha, I'll be watching you guys to see your future successes.
I wonder why he waited until AFTER he had something to gain, before he apologized. Couldnt be because he was only going to get paid/support if he did so.
Wish the scene wouldnt support such disgusting characters.
this is the guy that is now apologizing?
i bet it is a really sincere apology too.
i have always lived by a saying that my mother shared with me when I was little, and I still use it pretty much every day.
Life is about choices. And you have to live with the decisions you make.
Idk chance to hold a scumbag accountable and we give him a free pass cause he said "ya im a dick, sorry" once he realizes what his decisions might cost him
Best of luck to the other 8 players tho. Hope to see you all in big tournaments, especially the young guns. Really cool to see younger people who are understanding and getting the game at an early age, with support we might see a surge in American talent.
Sorry that all of your names are tainted by being alongside Mewberts.
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Academies are great opportunities for up and comers to interact with the best. Is there going to be any interaction between them and the main team? I know these guys are probably too young, but will any move or visit the team house? Clarity has been working very well behind the scenes, its only a matter of time before one of their players makes a breakthrough. Good luck Clarity!
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