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ElBlanco
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia140 Posts
September 19 2013 14:18 GMT
#1101
What they're saying about WCS is spot on. I think though that a lot of the problems are because WCS only started this year and started so late. Hopefully next year WCS has more time between tournaments and there is a more strict schedule. Right now there isn't enough gap between the WCS seasons and challenger goes on way too long. This needs to blizzards big focus next year to encourage more independent tournaments.
Jawra
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden146 Posts
September 19 2013 14:21 GMT
#1102
Very needed points being brought up by the discussion of why Protoss players don't take tournaments. The whole randomness aspect of it that's made it an all-in/200/200 race. Warptech, colossus, weak GW units and 3-base being optimal econ =/ I really want for DK to see the long-tern flaws.
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
September 19 2013 14:21 GMT
#1103
Awesome discussions in this episode.
Hello
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-19 14:24:42
September 19 2013 14:24 GMT
#1104
That was really fun to watch and listen to.

Couldn't agree more on WCS and casters.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
September 19 2013 14:24 GMT
#1105
On September 19 2013 23:16 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 23:12 Big J wrote:
What does that mean for my 70% ZvP winrate? I guess I just understand the matchup better than TLO and Ret.


Worse opponents obviously! Very interesting and good episode.


Pfff, can't be that...
ZvP compositions matter a lot, which I totally agree with. But I do think there are good middle paths that cannot get "just" countered - and you have enough scouting options.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
September 19 2013 14:25 GMT
#1106
:D ret.... he really would marry Starcraft it it was a girl. So much passion and love for the game. Ret is best.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
September 19 2013 14:25 GMT
#1107
Pretty amazing episode, everything Ret says seems so heartfelt. Gj all around!
Cyrak
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada536 Posts
September 19 2013 14:33 GMT
#1108
What a sad and pathetic display. They now resort to blaming the audience for lacking the sophistication to understand the greatness of the video game they prefer to play. "Oh, if only they understood! If their minds could just develop to understand the delicate complexity of Starcraft!"

This kind of behavior reminds me of Derek Smart responding to criticism of his games.
Fortune favors the prepared mind.
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-19 14:38:35
September 19 2013 14:35 GMT
#1109
On September 19 2013 23:33 Cyrak wrote:
What a sad and pathetic display. They now resort to blaming the audience for lacking the sophistication to understand the greatness of the video game they prefer to play. "Oh, if only they understood! If their minds could just develop to understand the delicate complexity of Starcraft!"

This kind of behavior reminds me of Derek Smart responding to criticism of his games.


I think you misunderstood. They are clearly right - viewers generally fail to see most of the intricacies if they don't play on a high level themselves (most do not) and casters generally fail to showcase these things to the general audience, concentrating on entertainment value and the most obvious things (and the ones that are easy to explain). It's the little things that make SC2 (and BW, too) so fun to play and watch, little things that most people don't seem to take notice of.

They are not "blaming the audience", they communicated the need for casters to emphasise these things and balance the silly entertainment factor with proper casting.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
September 19 2013 14:37 GMT
#1110
On September 19 2013 23:33 Cyrak wrote:
What a sad and pathetic display. They now resort to blaming the audience for lacking the sophistication to understand the greatness of the video game they prefer to play. "Oh, if only they understood! If their minds could just develop to understand the delicate complexity of Starcraft!"

This kind of behavior reminds me of Derek Smart responding to criticism of his games.


Actually they were blaming the casters for not conveying the knowledge properly and instead spout nonsense stuff like "What is your favourite NES game?".
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-19 14:37:37
September 19 2013 14:37 GMT
#1111
On September 19 2013 23:02 Amestir wrote:
Conclusion so far from Ret: ZvP everything is hard

fixed
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
September 19 2013 14:37 GMT
#1112
they are so right about the ladder... people are such assholes
You only get rage, no ggs and often even stupid comments right from the start.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
September 19 2013 14:38 GMT
#1113
People who think revealing names will prevent BM never hit Nerchio. :D
SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
September 19 2013 14:38 GMT
#1114
Who's on today's show?

Alas, I can't watch it live due to being at work.
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
September 19 2013 14:40 GMT
#1115
On September 19 2013 23:38 SixStrings wrote:
Who's on today's show?

Alas, I can't watch it live due to being at work.

TLO, Ret and Harstem. The EU edition.
Hello
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
September 19 2013 14:40 GMT
#1116
On September 19 2013 23:38 SixStrings wrote:
Who's on today's show?

Alas, I can't watch it live due to being at work.


TLO, Ret and Harstem
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
September 19 2013 14:40 GMT
#1117
On September 19 2013 23:38 SixStrings wrote:
Who's on today's show?

Alas, I can't watch it live due to being at work.


TLO, ret, Harstem
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
ElBlanco
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia140 Posts
September 19 2013 14:42 GMT
#1118
Really good points being brought up here. So many little changes that could really improve the community.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
September 19 2013 14:45 GMT
#1119
Great show, thanks so much, hoping for more EU Metas . The Blizzard SC2 section should watch this episode.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
September 19 2013 14:47 GMT
#1120
Awesome show today, many good and interesting points have been made, maybe Blizzard wants to take a look at that.
Great job!
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