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Natus Vincere (they have had success in Dota 2 and CS) has announced a new SC2 team!
http://navi-gaming.com/news_show.php?news_id=13407
Director of Natus Vincere Alexander "ZeroGravity" Kohanovsky had this to say:
Natus Vincere organization takes another step forward into development of its SC2-roster. FXOpen have established themselves very well in the community in the last couple of years. Together, we look into our future very optimistically and we are sure that our squad will gather some of the best players in the world.
Lineup:
Strelok
Babyknight
LoWely
HappyZerg
Minato
zOo (director)
Fairon (team manager)
Hireling (caster)
They've picked up a pretty solid lineup, interesting to see where this will go.
To clear up confusion, this is in fact a merger:
The FXO's manager, Vladimir "zOo" Ahlebinin also commented on this:
FXOpen and Natus Vincere are both well known organizations. That's why we were working on the concept of this merge really hard for the last six months, in order to improve the results on both sides. We are really glad to present you this union today!
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That is a nice start. Congrats to the players & team!
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Oh snap! I know or have heard of those players and this is great news. WCS is going to be a good time for everyone. Glad to see Babyknight land on an established team.
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With this line up they have the potential. It will be interesting to see how well these players can represent their team.
GL
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Not the best players to start a team with tbh, but I guess they only want eastern European players and buying Empire is impossible.
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On April 10 2013 00:45 Laurens wrote:
Not the best players to start a team with tbh, but I guess they only want eastern European players and buying Empire is impossible.
I enjoy the focus on local players.
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Katowice25012 Posts
Pretty interesting, fairly legit lineup considering what their last SC2 roster was.
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It's exciting to see them in SC2! :D
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Nice lineup. I vaguely remember them doing this at the beginning of WoL, and then disbanding shortly after; hopefeully history won't repeat itself (if I am recalling correctly)
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Good luck to all you guys!
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United Kingdom2950 Posts
Cool! Hopefully we'll see more content/coverage out of them, HappyZerg and BabyKnight are quite good.
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Woww didn't see this coming. Awesome. Gogo Lowely
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Great org... although what they did at Copenhagen Games really made me think badly of them... this puts them back in the plus in my book.
I like that NaVi likes to stick to Russian/Ukranian roots, and help build that scene in CS, DotA and now StarCraft 2... exciting times for Eastern Europe!
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On April 10 2013 00:45 Aeromi wrote:
So FXO.eu disbands ? ._.
It says ''together, we look to our future very optimistically'', so I guess they merged?
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Nice but BabyK looks kinda alone in this lineup, they need more like him!
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Wasn't happyzerg part of the original Na'vi team? Either way good pick up wonder whats going to happen with FXO.eu
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But those players will now bear the Na'Vi tag, no longer the FXO tag, right?
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Looks like FXO.EU, but who knows Navi has great success with LoL and Dota maybe that magic will spread to SC 2
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United States97276 Posts
Congrats. Glad to see them coming back to sc2
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On April 10 2013 00:48 Pri1230 wrote:
Wasn't happyzerg part of the original Na'vi team? Either way good pick up wonder whats going to happen with FXO.eu
babyK was too, IIRC. It's how I heard about him first.
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Did navi just poach fxo eu? Other than that, its a solid lineup
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On April 10 2013 00:47 BaaL` wrote:It says ''together, we look to our future very optimistically'', so I guess they merged?
Maybe they get a joint training house/office space. Seems reasonable to split the cost and get your players in the same space. That and a good coach.
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Holy SHIT that's amazing! Gogo Na'Vi!
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Wow nice! I was a few weeks ago browsing my fb page history and saw a poll of theirs I voted on about which game they should pick up a squad in where SC2 won and wondering whatever happened with that.
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I am surprised people are so exited. This is just NaVi overtaking the existing FXO.eu team is it not? Does not have to be a bad thing, but the players were on an established e-sport team and now they are on another established e-sport team.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
HappyZerg and babyknight were part of na'vi's first SC2 squad what goes around comes around I suppose.
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Strelok and babyK definitly are the biggest names, wish the best for them! 
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United States33330 Posts
isn't this just a straight up acquisition of FXO Europe? Or does FXO EU remain in some form?
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Should have signed DIMAGA. hes still teamless no?
Anyways, a big name entering SC2, looking forward how this works out
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On April 10 2013 00:51 Waxangel wrote:
isn't this just a straight up acquisition of FXO Europe? Or does FXO EU remain in some form?
I guess they're merging? Navi do have a training house and other facilities so it could be advantages for FXO EU.
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I think everybody has one big question: So what happens with FXO.eu?
On related note, is ESC aiming to expand to other regions, as Goody currently runs the bnet tag ESC.eu?
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On April 10 2013 00:52 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 00:51 Waxangel wrote:
isn't this just a straight up acquisition of FXO Europe? Or does FXO EU remain in some form? I guess they're merging? Navi do have a training house and other facilities so it could be advantages for FXO EU.
If you merge zero and 4 you get 4. Maybe I am missing something here, but this is just a rename and a bit hot air.
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Just saw this on the tweeter, pretty exciting stuff for Na'Vi.
Hopefully they get some good results and a decent team environment under Na'Vi.
Best of luck~!
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Interesting to have NaVi commit to SC2 again, acquiring an already established team will ease them back into the scene, really expect good things to come out of this.
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Interesting Line Up. Best of luck to them and long live DENDI!
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ther ya go, only people missing here are whitera and dimaga!!!
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good to see navi back in sc2
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Is this a partnership or a straight out tansfer?
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Seems they forgot to sign Dimaga unless he has plans to join a different team :>
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they already tried to pick up a lineup of mediocre EU players before. dunno why they think it will work this time around. they need to sign a big name and make a splash. na'vi naniwa anyone?
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On April 10 2013 00:51 Iplaythings wrote:Strelok and babyK definitly are the biggest names, wish the best for them!
I think lowely has done more than both of them in StarCraft 2 WoL.... but either way they're all solid players.
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Nice, their lineup actually makes alot of sense.
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On April 10 2013 00:57 meijin wrote:
they already tried to pick up a lineup of mediocre EU players before. dunno why they think it will work this time around. they need to sign a big name and make a splash. na'vi naniwa anyone?
NaVi definitely has the money for him... could be doable :D
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Pretty awesome to see more teams getting involved! Or reinvolved
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Really glad they are moving into a pro house and following the korean model of having both a director and team manager; most people don't realize these aren't mutually exclusive. The addition of a caster can also help fill various roles and having an extra pair of hands is never bad. Best of luck to you guys, make it work and most importantly HAVE A STRICT SCHEDULE!!!
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After navis (though primarily zerogravity's) stunt at copenhagen games, i just can't support that organization :/
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The notable members of the roster are the same ones that were on the original Na'vi lol
just with strelok and lowely
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Didn't expect Na'Vi to get a SC2 team.
Good luck and have fun to their players!
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hmmm very interesting partnership with Na'vi and FXO EU i guess FXO is moving away from the EU scene for a bit which can be good since that means they can distribute more money to the KR and NA scene. Hopefully we'll still see good results from everyone who has joined up with Na'vi
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Russian Federation604 Posts
Wooow! Very nice! GJ team!
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this is great, always a fan of navi!
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Very disappointing lineup. I don't see them profiting from these players :/
Oh well, let's hope they'll grow to be better players and prove me wrong ^^
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From the article:
The FXO's manager, Vladimir "zOo" Ahlebinin also commented on this:
FXOpen and Natus Vincere are both well known organizations. That's why we were working on the concept of this merge really hard for the last six months, in order to improve the results on both sides. We are really glad to present you this union today!
It is a merger of sorts. More like a partnership with Navi with FXO that will have the FXO.eu guys playing under Navi. Guess this also means that Navi gains FXO as a sponsor.
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On April 10 2013 01:06 monie wrote:
so, where's Desrow?
He is part of FXO NA
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Anyone know what happens with  Elbegast? He's the only player from FXO.EU not mentioned.
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Thought Dimaga would be part of it. :o
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NAVIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!! Finally my favorite dota2 team revives their sc2 squad!
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Cool. Was kinda expecting naniwa in there but doesn't seem like it..still excited
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Good start. A few former FXO taking their helm it seems.
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since NAVI has such amazing success and name recognition in Dota2.. you would think they would try to bring that to sc2. Sorry but these players are not going to bring them anything...also, no terran on the team? not great idea for practice.
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Was half expecting na'viwa once i saw the title.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On April 10 2013 01:17 Irre wrote:
since NAVI has such amazing success and name recognition in Dota2.. you would think they would try to bring that to sc2. Sorry but these players are not going to bring them anything...also, no terran on the team? not great idea for practice.
Wait when did strelok switch to zerg, I mean with the timing that sounds a bit off...
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Pretty nice starting line-up! Congrats!! glgl!!
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FXO sponsoring NaVi now. INTERESTING.
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Neato! Glad to see Na'Vi expanding into SC2. Hope to see more players join too. Gogo Babyknight!
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Sweeet I love new teams!!!
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Always cool to see new teams being created.
This is a pretty decent lineup.
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Germany25657 Posts
Oh that looks like a nice lineup
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No dimaga?  still nice team though
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Lowely, Strelok, and BabyK, that's a pretty fine way to start considering their last roster xD
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I'm glad N'V decided to get a SC2 club going. Interesting EU FXO line-up.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
Strong line-up if they'll be focusing solely on Eastern EU. Cool to see Na'Vi going (back) into SC2 as well.
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really happy for strelok if this means we get to see him get more tourney experience
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On April 10 2013 01:33 Zealously wrote:
Strong line-up if they'll be focusing solely on Eastern EU. Cool to see Na'Vi going (back) into SC2 as well.
Well N'V are predominantly Scandinavian, so it sort of fits. o_o
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Pretty decent looking team though they don't really have any really high caliber players.
Then again Na'Vi is amazing so if anyone is going to turn this team into an amazing team it's them.
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I'm alt-tabbing on this page during class, so I'm not sure if this was explained earlier, but isn't this "Na'Vi SC2 squad" just FXO Europe's team? What exactly happened there?
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On another note though I hope na'vi are actually committed to this team, last time they had a LoL and SC2 team they just dumped them in Korea and went "Cya nerds" and they promptly got their asses kicked and showed nothing for it.
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Good start, good testing ground to see if they want to go further (:
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On April 10 2013 01:49 DavoS wrote:
I'm alt-tabbing on this page during class, so I'm not sure if this was explained earlier, but isn't this "Na'Vi SC2 squad" just FXO Europe's team? What exactly happened there?
They merged together for mutual benefits
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On April 10 2013 00:45 heyoka wrote:
Pretty interesting, fairly legit lineup considering what their last SC2 roster was.
It was basically the same, babyknight and happyzerg except babyknight is a top EU player now.
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Not enough players to compete in team leagues yet... still a long way to go! GL NaVi!!!
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Never heared of "Natus Vincere". Sounds like one of these stupid latain names 13yo kids give their "clan".
User was banned for this post.
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Nice to see Na'vi getting back into SC2, and overall more money being poured into the scene, I their lineup is nice but a bit small now, hopefully they will announce more players soon.
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Legit lineup in terms of doing well in WCS EU. Definitely some Code S level Europeans in there.
This is what I love about WCS, it's gives teams like Navi a reason to invest and players like this a reason to play the game again.
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On April 10 2013 02:10 Stendarr wrote:
Never heared of "Natus Vincere". Sounds like one of these stupid latain names 13yo kids give their "clan".
http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Na'vi
James Cameron is such a stupid "13 yo kid", amirite?
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Well, this is some interesting news. Glad to see them getting into SC2.
On April 10 2013 02:10 Stendarr wrote:
Never heared of "Natus Vincere". Sounds like one of these stupid latain names 13yo kids give their "clan".
I don't even understand this.
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Nice lineup for a start,good luck to them in the future,always nice to see some new team.
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Will every player in the team practice in the office/team house?
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He's talking about "Natus Vincere", not the abbreviation.
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On April 10 2013 01:17 Irre wrote:
since NAVI has such amazing success and name recognition in Dota2.. you would think they would try to bring that to sc2. Sorry but these players are not going to bring them anything...also, no terran on the team? not great idea for practice.
Since when Strelok have not been terran?
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On April 10 2013 02:20 blackone wrote:He's talking about "Natus Vincere", not the abbreviation.
Like Evil Geniuses is better than Natus Vincere...
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Couldn't they have just picked up some higher level koreans without teams? seems more effective...
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Strelok and Lowley fighting!
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On April 10 2013 00:45 heyoka wrote:
Pretty interesting, fairly legit lineup considering what their last SC2 roster was.
Even funnier that 2 of the players were part of the orignal roster as well.
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Awesome to see Navi expand into other esports.
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so FXO gives it EU team to Navi? will they still have access to things like the FXO KR team house?
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On April 10 2013 00:43 kollin wrote:
Natus Vincere (they have had success in Dota 2 and CS) has announced a new SC2 team!
That's a bit of an underwhelming introduction lol  They're easily the most successful Western team in Dota 2, and also the most successful CS1.6 team in the last couple of years before it's demise.
On April 10 2013 02:25 Eventine wrote:
Couldn't they have just picked up some higher level koreans without teams? seems more effective...
Na'Vi always tend to stick to Ukraine or countries close to home, despite all the money they have, they keep to their national 'character' or 'identity', like most European organisations.
On April 10 2013 02:39 Zebrapudding wrote:
so FXO gives it EU team to Navi? will they still have access to things like the FXO KR team house?
From what I understand FXO is still involved, at the very least as a sponsor/stakeholder in the team. That said, I don't think they'll need a Korean house due to WCS, and also since Na'Vi have a pretty sick office/team house in Ukraine.
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So what wil happen to Elbegast? He is a FXO EU Player, but didn´t get acquired by Navi?
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BabyK, LoweLy and Strelok all reppin dat EU swag.
Grats to NaVi and FXO on this move, hopefully they can bring in more EU talent!
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On April 10 2013 02:10 Stendarr wrote:
Never heared of "Natus Vincere". Sounds like one of these stupid latain names 13yo kids give their "clan".
User was banned for this post.
they are unknown in sc2, but super famous in CS1.6 as Liquid or EG in SC2.
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Whats the point of making a team without at least 1 marketable stand out player? Every team needs a face.FXO NA and EU were basically charity projects anyways. I hardly even knew babyknight used to be in FXO let alone the other players. What are they actually paying these players salary for?
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On April 10 2013 02:51 Dingodile wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 02:10 Stendarr wrote:
Never heared of "Natus Vincere". Sounds like one of these stupid latain names 13yo kids give their "clan".
User was banned for this post. they are unknown in sc2, but super famous in CS1.6 as Liquid or EG in SC2.
He left us :[
On April 10 2013 02:55 drugsarebad wrote:
Whats the point of making a team without at least 1 marketable stand out player? Every team needs a face.FXO NA and EU were basically charity projects anyways. I hardly even knew babyknight used to be in FXO let alone the other players. What are they actually paying these players salary for?
Like finding "at least 1 marketable stand out player" is an easy task. The roster is not locked-up, they might still add players. And who knows, maybe BK has a WCS-eu seed ?
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On April 10 2013 03:02 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 02:51 Dingodile wrote:On April 10 2013 02:10 Stendarr wrote:
Never heared of "Natus Vincere". Sounds like one of these stupid latain names 13yo kids give their "clan".
User was banned for this post. they are unknown in sc2, but super famous in CS1.6 as Liquid or EG in SC2. He left us :[ Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 02:55 drugsarebad wrote:
Whats the point of making a team without at least 1 marketable stand out player? Every team needs a face.FXO NA and EU were basically charity projects anyways. I hardly even knew babyknight used to be in FXO let alone the other players. What are they actually paying these players salary for? Like finding "at least 1 marketable stand out player" is an easy task. The roster is not locked-up, they might still add players. And who knows, maybe BK has a WCS-eu seed ?
No thats the hardest part. Anyone can just get few grandmaster players together if they have the money but to actually get players that you will make a return on is the hard part.
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What about Dimaga? clanless and Ukrainian ->two reason to join NaVi.
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Wow, me and my friend was just talking about how it felt like Strelok vanished soon after he made his "dedicated terran with carpet wallpaper"-video. Really nice to see him in the news again.
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On April 10 2013 02:55 drugsarebad wrote:
Whats the point of making a team without at least 1 marketable stand out player? Every team needs a face.FXO NA and EU were basically charity projects anyways. I hardly even knew babyknight used to be in FXO let alone the other players. What are they actually paying these players salary for?
How was FXO EU a charity project? Three top EU players in their respective race, two of which live in countries where the money made off eSports is actually really good. They do really well in EU team leagues and the domestic scene. They did pretty well in terms of incomeas well. They're a really talented bunch that can do really well in WCS Europe.
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Russian Federation131 Posts
wow, strelok should print NaVi logo on paper and hang it on his carpet!
gl Lowely
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So it's
Na'Vi_Strelok or
FXO_Strelok or
Na'Vi-FXO_Strelok ?
How does this partnership work ?
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On April 10 2013 03:15 mikkmagro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 02:55 drugsarebad wrote:
Whats the point of making a team without at least 1 marketable stand out player? Every team needs a face.FXO NA and EU were basically charity projects anyways. I hardly even knew babyknight used to be in FXO let alone the other players. What are they actually paying these players salary for? How was FXO EU a charity project? Three top EU players in their respective race, two of which live in countries where the money made off eSports is actually really good. They do really well in EU team leagues and the domestic scene. They did pretty well in terms of incomeas well. They're a really talented bunch that can do really well in WCS Europe.
Earning $17,870 in 3 years is not good. But its really beside the point whats important is whether they got anyone that actually brings viewers. Do they?
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Looks good! Great for both parties and the rest of us~
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Excellent roster. Ill be interested to see what comes from this team
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On April 10 2013 03:35 drugsarebad wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 03:15 mikkmagro wrote:On April 10 2013 02:55 drugsarebad wrote:
Whats the point of making a team without at least 1 marketable stand out player? Every team needs a face.FXO NA and EU were basically charity projects anyways. I hardly even knew babyknight used to be in FXO let alone the other players. What are they actually paying these players salary for? How was FXO EU a charity project? Three top EU players in their respective race, two of which live in countries where the money made off eSports is actually really good. They do really well in EU team leagues and the domestic scene. They did pretty well in terms of incomeas well. They're a really talented bunch that can do really well in WCS Europe. Earning $17,870 in 3 years is not good. But its really beside the point whats important is whether they got anyone that actually brings viewers. Do they?
17k is pretty good for mid tier foreigners lol. that's like three times what he would have made in three years with an average Ukrainian salary lol.
They don't attract the viewers that EG or Liquid players attract obviously, not too bad however. Keep in mind that streaming isn't everything - it only became viable relatively recently, and eSports has been around for quite some time now. Organisations are still able to rake in sponsors of they have achievements to show, for example.
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any indication on which name they will take?
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On April 10 2013 03:54 mikkmagro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 03:35 drugsarebad wrote:On April 10 2013 03:15 mikkmagro wrote:On April 10 2013 02:55 drugsarebad wrote:
Whats the point of making a team without at least 1 marketable stand out player? Every team needs a face.FXO NA and EU were basically charity projects anyways. I hardly even knew babyknight used to be in FXO let alone the other players. What are they actually paying these players salary for? How was FXO EU a charity project? Three top EU players in their respective race, two of which live in countries where the money made off eSports is actually really good. They do really well in EU team leagues and the domestic scene. They did pretty well in terms of incomeas well. They're a really talented bunch that can do really well in WCS Europe. Earning $17,870 in 3 years is not good. But its really beside the point whats important is whether they got anyone that actually brings viewers. Do they? 17k is pretty good for mid tier foreigners lol. that's like three times what he would have made in three years with an average Ukrainian salary lol. They don't attract the viewers that EG or Liquid players attract obviously, not too bad however. Keep in mind that streaming isn't everything - it only became viable relatively recently, and eSports has been around for quite some time now. Organisations are still able to rake in sponsors of they have achievements to show, for example.
What is there for esports besides streaming content and tournaments? Also who is sponsoring an esports team that doesnt get eyeballs for their sponsors? Thats why im saying creating a team without a person that has substantial pull is either a charity project or bad business.
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On April 10 2013 03:54 mikkmagro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 03:35 drugsarebad wrote:On April 10 2013 03:15 mikkmagro wrote:On April 10 2013 02:55 drugsarebad wrote:
Whats the point of making a team without at least 1 marketable stand out player? Every team needs a face.FXO NA and EU were basically charity projects anyways. I hardly even knew babyknight used to be in FXO let alone the other players. What are they actually paying these players salary for? How was FXO EU a charity project? Three top EU players in their respective race, two of which live in countries where the money made off eSports is actually really good. They do really well in EU team leagues and the domestic scene. They did pretty well in terms of incomeas well. They're a really talented bunch that can do really well in WCS Europe. Earning $17,870 in 3 years is not good. But its really beside the point whats important is whether they got anyone that actually brings viewers. Do they? 17k is pretty good for mid tier foreigners lol. that's like three times what he would have made in three years with an average Ukrainian salary lol. They don't attract the viewers that EG or Liquid players attract obviously, not too bad however. Keep in mind that streaming isn't everything - it only became viable relatively recently, and eSports has been around for quite some time now. Organisations are still able to rake in sponsors of they have achievements to show, for example.
It is if you are not a top 50 player. Sc2 is entertainment outside of KR. I am curious if the new WCS format is gonna change that in EU and NA.
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Grats to those guys i supose ? Solid lineup to take over.
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On April 10 2013 03:21 Vertitto wrote:
So it's
Na'Vi_Strelok or
FXO_Strelok or
Na'Vi-FXO_Strelok ?
How does this partnership work ?
Na'Vi.Strelok would be correct
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On April 10 2013 04:10 drugsarebad wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 03:54 mikkmagro wrote:On April 10 2013 03:35 drugsarebad wrote:On April 10 2013 03:15 mikkmagro wrote:On April 10 2013 02:55 drugsarebad wrote:
Whats the point of making a team without at least 1 marketable stand out player? Every team needs a face.FXO NA and EU were basically charity projects anyways. I hardly even knew babyknight used to be in FXO let alone the other players. What are they actually paying these players salary for? How was FXO EU a charity project? Three top EU players in their respective race, two of which live in countries where the money made off eSports is actually really good. They do really well in EU team leagues and the domestic scene. They did pretty well in terms of incomeas well. They're a really talented bunch that can do really well in WCS Europe. Earning $17,870 in 3 years is not good. But its really beside the point whats important is whether they got anyone that actually brings viewers. Do they? 17k is pretty good for mid tier foreigners lol. that's like three times what he would have made in three years with an average Ukrainian salary lol. They don't attract the viewers that EG or Liquid players attract obviously, not too bad however. Keep in mind that streaming isn't everything - it only became viable relatively recently, and eSports has been around for quite some time now. Organisations are still able to rake in sponsors of they have achievements to show, for example. What is there for esports besides streaming content and tournaments? Also who is sponsoring an esports team that doesnt get eyeballs for their sponsors? Thats why im saying creating a team without a person that has substantial pull is either a charity project or bad business.
Well, evidently, some people do think they're good enough to promote their interests and sponsors. That someone happens to be one of the most successful organisations in eSports. It is true that they don't have any world champions for now, then again, no foreign team does except for EG, Liquid and Mouz. Thing is, I doubt an org like Na'Vi would ever consider hiring Koreans, because they traditionally go for Ukrainians and nearby countries, and there are very few players which most would consider 'profitable'. But then again, perhaps Na'Vi have a plan to foster these players, or have good enough connections to sell them to sponsors. Hell, before EG got so rich, their players weren't that good at all, but they knew how to market them. If teams weren't able to sell mid-tier pros to sponsors, Fnatic, Dignitas, and most other teams wouldn't have SC2 teams by now.
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FINALLY!
Really excited to see Na'Vi, one of the most organized and dedicated esports franchises trying out sc2, i'm pretty sure they're gonna give all the support to their players like they already do in CS and DotA2.
Particularly curious about how much Babyknight, Lowely and Strelok will grow in this more professional enviroment.
Good luck to my, insta-favourite european team
GO NA'VI!
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On April 10 2013 03:54 mikkmagro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 03:35 drugsarebad wrote:On April 10 2013 03:15 mikkmagro wrote:On April 10 2013 02:55 drugsarebad wrote:
Whats the point of making a team without at least 1 marketable stand out player? Every team needs a face.FXO NA and EU were basically charity projects anyways. I hardly even knew babyknight used to be in FXO let alone the other players. What are they actually paying these players salary for? How was FXO EU a charity project? Three top EU players in their respective race, two of which live in countries where the money made off eSports is actually really good. They do really well in EU team leagues and the domestic scene. They did pretty well in terms of incomeas well. They're a really talented bunch that can do really well in WCS Europe. Earning $17,870 in 3 years is not good. But its really beside the point whats important is whether they got anyone that actually brings viewers. Do they? 17k is pretty good for mid tier foreigners lol. that's like three times what he would have made in three years with an average Ukrainian salary lol.
17,870 / 3 = 5956.67 annually
5956.67 / 12 = 496.39 monthly. That would barely cover my food for the month.
Now let us take a third of that. The "average" Ukrainian salary is $165.46 a month? -_-
Upon Googling: Average gross salary 237 € / 319 $, monthly (Jan-Aug 2011)
Jeez >_<
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On April 10 2013 04:40 selboN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 03:54 mikkmagro wrote:On April 10 2013 03:35 drugsarebad wrote:On April 10 2013 03:15 mikkmagro wrote:On April 10 2013 02:55 drugsarebad wrote:
Whats the point of making a team without at least 1 marketable stand out player? Every team needs a face.FXO NA and EU were basically charity projects anyways. I hardly even knew babyknight used to be in FXO let alone the other players. What are they actually paying these players salary for? How was FXO EU a charity project? Three top EU players in their respective race, two of which live in countries where the money made off eSports is actually really good. They do really well in EU team leagues and the domestic scene. They did pretty well in terms of incomeas well. They're a really talented bunch that can do really well in WCS Europe. Earning $17,870 in 3 years is not good. But its really beside the point whats important is whether they got anyone that actually brings viewers. Do they? 17k is pretty good for mid tier foreigners lol. that's like three times what he would have made in three years with an average Ukrainian salary lol. 17,870 / 3 = 5956.67 annually 5956.67 / 12 = 496.39 monthly. That would barely cover my food for the month. Now let us take a third of that. The "average" Ukrainian salary is $165.46 a month? -_- Upon Googling: Average gross salary 237 € / 319 $, monthly (Jan-Aug 2011) Jeez >_<
oh, the first one on Wiki Answers I got said between $1,800 and $2,000 yearly.
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I wonder if they plan on getting some korean players as well or if this is all eu based...
Anyway, cool to see Na'Vi in Starcraft (again)
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On April 10 2013 04:40 selboN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 03:54 mikkmagro wrote:On April 10 2013 03:35 drugsarebad wrote:On April 10 2013 03:15 mikkmagro wrote:On April 10 2013 02:55 drugsarebad wrote:
Whats the point of making a team without at least 1 marketable stand out player? Every team needs a face.FXO NA and EU were basically charity projects anyways. I hardly even knew babyknight used to be in FXO let alone the other players. What are they actually paying these players salary for? How was FXO EU a charity project? Three top EU players in their respective race, two of which live in countries where the money made off eSports is actually really good. They do really well in EU team leagues and the domestic scene. They did pretty well in terms of incomeas well. They're a really talented bunch that can do really well in WCS Europe. Earning $17,870 in 3 years is not good. But its really beside the point whats important is whether they got anyone that actually brings viewers. Do they? 17k is pretty good for mid tier foreigners lol. that's like three times what he would have made in three years with an average Ukrainian salary lol. 17,870 / 3 = 5956.67 annually 5956.67 / 12 = 496.39 monthly. That would barely cover my food for the month. Now let us take a third of that. The "average" Ukrainian salary is $165.46 a month? -_- Upon Googling: Average gross salary 237 € / 319 $, monthly (Jan-Aug 2011) Jeez >_<
WhiteRa, Dimaga and Kaas can live like true kings in ukraine :D
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Pretty solid lineup, assuming LoWely plays at his peak potential.
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You guys are underrating Na'Vi and downplaying them
They have "success"? Lets see... best CounterStrike team, won The International and placed second in DOTA 2?
Who knows if this will amount to anything really but if its up to the Na'Vi standard they'll be the best EU team someday!
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
Nice going navi!
And some names I know in their roster! Good start if even I know them!
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I would love to watch BabyK but, I swear to God, if he doesn't switch to 16 : 9...come on BabyK its 2013 brah
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On April 10 2013 05:10 BoZiffer wrote:
I would love to watch BabyK but, I swear to God, if he doesn't switch to 16 : 9...come on BabyK its 2013 brah
He did switch a week or two ago.
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On April 10 2013 00:48 KingOfPain wrote:
Nice but BabyK looks kinda alone in this lineup, they need more like him!
I was thinking about Strelok and LoWeLy. Looked right past BabyKnight. Lol.
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Another not so relevant EU lineup, i'd rather have only one big name, sort of SK.
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WOAH never expected na'vi to move into sc2 but thats cool with me 
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pretty sweet to see a new team venture into sc2, def a solid lineup, hope to see big things
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I hope they acquire more player and become the powerhouse in EU
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This is the biggest team news i have heard in a while, natus is very respected, i hope they do well.
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Australia54784 Posts
good luck to the new na'vi, great to see more people getting into sc2!
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On April 10 2013 05:15 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 05:10 BoZiffer wrote:
I would love to watch BabyK but, I swear to God, if he doesn't switch to 16 : 9...come on BabyK its 2013 brah He did switch a week or two ago.
This is fantastic news. Just subscribed. Thanks.
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Strelok? Fuuuck. I havent heard from that dude since mid 2011, i love that guy :3
Yey navi.
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Good luck, I bet they need it!
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Now we know where dimaga is going.
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Dimaga
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HOLYSHIZZZZQ! too awesome.
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Happyzerg and babyknight where they belong :D
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Good luck in SC2 Natus Vincere
Shoutout to HappyZerg, a great player!
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Russian Federation163 Posts
Slavik & BabyKnight again in Navi ))
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Ye, i dont see this going far tbh.
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Nice! Would be great to see these players in the limelights again, especially Strelok.
Best of luck :D
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On April 10 2013 05:05 DeathProfessor wrote:
You guys are underrating Na'Vi and downplaying them
They have "success"? Lets see... best CounterStrike team, won The International and placed second in DOTA 2?
Who knows if this will amount to anything really but if its up to the Na'Vi standard they'll be the best EU team someday!
Being good at one game does not mean they'll be good at another, especially when they're different genres. Their line-up isn't exactly full of all-stars either.
And I could have sworn that Na'Vi already tried this a while ago... and they were overhyped and then completely flopped.
Regardless, best of luck to this team... I'm definitely a fan of Babyknight
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
Nice, welcome to SC2 Na'Vi :D one of my favorite EU teams in CS. Hope there team gets stronger and stronger.
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Babyknight! Holy moly! This is awesome.
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Definitely don't see this lineup being as dominant as their CS or DotA teams. Still, this is awesome news.
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darn, was hoping they'd pick up naniwa too
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They should pick up Dimaga!
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On April 10 2013 05:05 DeathProfessor wrote:
You guys are underrating Na'Vi and downplaying them
They have "success"? Lets see... best CounterStrike team, won The International and placed second in DOTA 2?
Who knows if this will amount to anything really but if its up to the Na'Vi standard they'll be the best EU team someday!
Not saying na'vi isn't a great organization that has had a lot of success in the past, but saying they have the best cs teeam after nip just went on a 87 map win spree is kinda ridiculous (also that would ignore a lot of early - mid 2000s esports history) and despite na'vis success in dota (which is still just one game) they are far away from being chinese...
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On April 10 2013 16:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 05:05 DeathProfessor wrote:
You guys are underrating Na'Vi and downplaying them
They have "success"? Lets see... best CounterStrike team, won The International and placed second in DOTA 2?
Who knows if this will amount to anything really but if its up to the Na'Vi standard they'll be the best EU team someday!
Being good at one game does not mean they'll be good at another, especially when they're different genres. Their line-up isn't exactly full of all-stars either. And I could have sworn that Na'Vi already tried this a while ago... and they were overhyped and then completely flopped. Regardless, best of luck to this team... I'm definitely a fan of Babyknight
Indeed, it's déjà vu!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=212171
Good luck to them I guess, can't say I've set my expectations too high though.
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On April 11 2013 05:58 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 05:05 DeathProfessor wrote:
You guys are underrating Na'Vi and downplaying them
They have "success"? Lets see... best CounterStrike team, won The International and placed second in DOTA 2?
Who knows if this will amount to anything really but if its up to the Na'Vi standard they'll be the best EU team someday!
Not saying na'vi isn't a great organization that has had a lot of success in the past, but saying they have the best cs teeam after nip just went on a 87 map win spree is kinda ridiculous (also that would ignore a lot of early - mid 2000s esports history) and despite na'vis success in dota (which is still just one game) they are far away from being chinese...
NiP had their 87 map streak in CS:GO though, which is far from being as popular or as competitive as 1.6, and Na'Vi was by far the most dominant in the last few years of its existence as an eSport. Though I agree that best CS team should go to Fnatic or the Golden Five. As regards Dota 2, they defeated many Chinese teams to place 2nd at TI2; they still won the most prize money, and are still the most decorated, depsite them not being as dominant x)
Na'Vi's manager talks about gathering the best players in the world, so I'd expect some additions to this team!
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On April 11 2013 06:02 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 16:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 10 2013 05:05 DeathProfessor wrote:
You guys are underrating Na'Vi and downplaying them
They have "success"? Lets see... best CounterStrike team, won The International and placed second in DOTA 2?
Who knows if this will amount to anything really but if its up to the Na'Vi standard they'll be the best EU team someday!
Being good at one game does not mean they'll be good at another, especially when they're different genres. Their line-up isn't exactly full of all-stars either. And I could have sworn that Na'Vi already tried this a while ago... and they were overhyped and then completely flopped. Regardless, best of luck to this team... I'm definitely a fan of Babyknight Indeed, it's déjà vu! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=212171Good luck to them I guess, can't say I've set my expectations too high though.
Funny to see how Babyknight was new back then and actually became really good.
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On April 11 2013 06:17 mikkmagro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 05:58 Lorch wrote:On April 10 2013 05:05 DeathProfessor wrote:
You guys are underrating Na'Vi and downplaying them
They have "success"? Lets see... best CounterStrike team, won The International and placed second in DOTA 2?
Who knows if this will amount to anything really but if its up to the Na'Vi standard they'll be the best EU team someday!
Not saying na'vi isn't a great organization that has had a lot of success in the past, but saying they have the best cs teeam after nip just went on a 87 map win spree is kinda ridiculous (also that would ignore a lot of early - mid 2000s esports history) and despite na'vis success in dota (which is still just one game) they are far away from being chinese... NiP had their 87 map streak in CS:GO though, which is far from being as popular or as competitive as 1.6, and Na'Vi was by far the most dominant in the last few years of its existence as an eSport. Though I agree that best CS team should go to Fnatic or the Golden Five. As regards Dota 2, they defeated many Chinese teams to place 2nd at TI2; they still won the most prize money, and are still the most decorated, depsite them not being as dominant x) Na'Vi's manager talks about gathering the best players in the world, so I'd expect some additions to this team!
CS:GO is far more popular now, 1 year later, compared to what CS 1.6's last 2 years of e-sports were.
And it's way more competitors right now since both CSS and CS 1.6 scene combined into competiting in 1 game.
But most importantly, the most successful fnatic was again with player like f0rest, GeT_RiGhT and somewhat still on top with Xizt.
What's a surprise to me is Fifflaren and friberg. People don't give much attention to the new players and how good they adapted into the team. Remember that Na`Vi didn't change lineup in the past 2 years while NiP is a completely new team that was made when CS:GOo went competitive.
But in the end - any time with f0rest, GTR and 3 more can compete with the Golden Five (the PGS era) for the 'best team ever' award.
Dota2 anyway - Na`Vi is definitely the top foreigner team in my eyes, tightly competing with nth.
Aaaand back on topic:
Dimaga is teamless right now, so I'm really surprised they didn't pick a fellow ukrainian.
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EPT
