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On February 27 2013 23:06 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 22:46 Noocta wrote:On February 27 2013 22:21 T.O.P. wrote:On February 27 2013 21:38 Noocta wrote:
Happy to see that DRG and Life aren't as alarmist as other people concerning HotS Zerg state.
It's not perfect but it's not the end of the world yet. Both complained about zvp balance. Not alarmist? Pros complain about balance all the time. Mvp was whining about Terran in 2011. You just have to read between the lines. And when I see their anwsers, it basicly mean they find it difficult. And that's really not an alarmist fact. What do you expect them to say? They clearly say they think Zerg is weak in both matchups. Should they threaten to quit the game if a balance patch isn't imminent? They have both tweeted already complaining about balance, along with pretty much every single Zerg pro. What else can they say?
Zerg complaining about beta balance forcing pro players to retire...
Thanks for the good laugh.
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When you read them, it's just more of a "heh, it's kind of hard. "
When plarers are like that, you can probably run 2 month of pro playing the game fully ( face it, really few korean played the hots beta seriously ) until you need to act.
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On February 27 2013 23:19 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 23:06 sitromit wrote:On February 27 2013 22:46 Noocta wrote:On February 27 2013 22:21 T.O.P. wrote:On February 27 2013 21:38 Noocta wrote:
Happy to see that DRG and Life aren't as alarmist as other people concerning HotS Zerg state.
It's not perfect but it's not the end of the world yet. Both complained about zvp balance. Not alarmist? Pros complain about balance all the time. Mvp was whining about Terran in 2011. You just have to read between the lines. And when I see their anwsers, it basicly mean they find it difficult. And that's really not an alarmist fact. What do you expect them to say? They clearly say they think Zerg is weak in both matchups. Should they threaten to quit the game if a balance patch isn't imminent? They have both tweeted already complaining about balance, along with pretty much every single Zerg pro. What else can they say? Zerg complaining about beta balance forcing pro players to retire... Thanks for the good laugh.
Way to miss my point. Nobody is complaining about people being forced to retire. Read the post I responded to first. The point is that players of course aren't going to make sensationalist comments and call doom and gloom in an interview like this. They said their point, which is that they don't think the game is balanced, and that Zerg is weak. They're not going to say anything more alarmist than that.
But if DRG announces he's streaming with "Lets brake my mental in HotS by Zerg", and Hyun is saying "HotS ZvT sigh...." every day, it's not difficult to see how frustrated these guys are.
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It's certainly not worse now than how Terrans complained about late game TvZ for the last 8 months.
On February 27 2013 23:28 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 23:19 ZenithM wrote:On February 27 2013 23:06 sitromit wrote:On February 27 2013 22:46 Noocta wrote:On February 27 2013 22:21 T.O.P. wrote:On February 27 2013 21:38 Noocta wrote:
Happy to see that DRG and Life aren't as alarmist as other people concerning HotS Zerg state.
It's not perfect but it's not the end of the world yet. Both complained about zvp balance. Not alarmist? Pros complain about balance all the time. Mvp was whining about Terran in 2011. You just have to read between the lines. And when I see their anwsers, it basicly mean they find it difficult. And that's really not an alarmist fact. What do you expect them to say? They clearly say they think Zerg is weak in both matchups. Should they threaten to quit the game if a balance patch isn't imminent? They have both tweeted already complaining about balance, along with pretty much every single Zerg pro. What else can they say? Zerg complaining about beta balance forcing pro players to retire... Thanks for the good laugh. Way to miss my point. Nobody is complaining about people being forced to retire. Read the post I responded to first. The point is that players of course aren't going to make sensationalist comments and call doom and gloom in an interview like this. They said their point, which is that they don't think the game is balanced, and that Zerg is weak. They're not going to say anything more alarmist than that. But if DRG announces he's streaming with "Lets brake my mental in HotS by Zerg", and Hyun is saying "HotS ZvT sigh...." every day, it's not difficult to see how frustrated these guys are.
For starters I wouldn't even think of something ridiculous like pro players retiring over HotS beta balance state. The simple fact that you mention it proves that you think it might be warranted. Well it's not.
Edit: Re-added beta for emphasis.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
The whining isn't bad as it was during the era of Lost Temple tbh
Edit: No way in heck is balance now worse than the days of rax before depot and 5rax reaper. That's why I'm always so chill about balance. I've played through worse. Of course I want it to be better but unproductive whining won't help.
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On February 27 2013 23:29 ZenithM wrote:It's certainly not worse now than how Terrans complained about late game TvZ for the last 8 months. Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 23:28 sitromit wrote:On February 27 2013 23:19 ZenithM wrote:On February 27 2013 23:06 sitromit wrote:On February 27 2013 22:46 Noocta wrote:On February 27 2013 22:21 T.O.P. wrote:On February 27 2013 21:38 Noocta wrote:
Happy to see that DRG and Life aren't as alarmist as other people concerning HotS Zerg state.
It's not perfect but it's not the end of the world yet. Both complained about zvp balance. Not alarmist? Pros complain about balance all the time. Mvp was whining about Terran in 2011. You just have to read between the lines. And when I see their anwsers, it basicly mean they find it difficult. And that's really not an alarmist fact. What do you expect them to say? They clearly say they think Zerg is weak in both matchups. Should they threaten to quit the game if a balance patch isn't imminent? They have both tweeted already complaining about balance, along with pretty much every single Zerg pro. What else can they say? Zerg complaining about beta balance forcing pro players to retire... Thanks for the good laugh. Way to miss my point. Nobody is complaining about people being forced to retire. Read the post I responded to first. The point is that players of course aren't going to make sensationalist comments and call doom and gloom in an interview like this. They said their point, which is that they don't think the game is balanced, and that Zerg is weak. They're not going to say anything more alarmist than that. But if DRG announces he's streaming with "Lets brake my mental in HotS by Zerg", and Hyun is saying "HotS ZvT sigh...." every day, it's not difficult to see how frustrated these guys are. Well, for starters I wouldn't even think of something ridiculous like pro players retiring over HotS beta balance state. The simple fact that you mention it proves that you think it might be warranted. Well it's not. Edit: Re-added beta for emphasis.
Neither would I. That's the point! Nobody is going to say or do something more extreme than what they have already said. Are you being dense on purpose?
I mean, one of the best Zergs in the world, who's been in Code S 9 seasons straight, is saying he's relieved to have made Code S again, because he might have fallen to Code B if he had to play against a Protoss in Code A next season. What else does he need to say?
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On February 27 2013 23:38 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 23:29 ZenithM wrote:It's certainly not worse now than how Terrans complained about late game TvZ for the last 8 months. On February 27 2013 23:28 sitromit wrote:On February 27 2013 23:19 ZenithM wrote:On February 27 2013 23:06 sitromit wrote:On February 27 2013 22:46 Noocta wrote:On February 27 2013 22:21 T.O.P. wrote:On February 27 2013 21:38 Noocta wrote:
Happy to see that DRG and Life aren't as alarmist as other people concerning HotS Zerg state.
It's not perfect but it's not the end of the world yet. Both complained about zvp balance. Not alarmist? Pros complain about balance all the time. Mvp was whining about Terran in 2011. You just have to read between the lines. And when I see their anwsers, it basicly mean they find it difficult. And that's really not an alarmist fact. What do you expect them to say? They clearly say they think Zerg is weak in both matchups. Should they threaten to quit the game if a balance patch isn't imminent? They have both tweeted already complaining about balance, along with pretty much every single Zerg pro. What else can they say? Zerg complaining about beta balance forcing pro players to retire... Thanks for the good laugh. Way to miss my point. Nobody is complaining about people being forced to retire. Read the post I responded to first. The point is that players of course aren't going to make sensationalist comments and call doom and gloom in an interview like this. They said their point, which is that they don't think the game is balanced, and that Zerg is weak. They're not going to say anything more alarmist than that. But if DRG announces he's streaming with "Lets brake my mental in HotS by Zerg", and Hyun is saying "HotS ZvT sigh...." every day, it's not difficult to see how frustrated these guys are. Well, for starters I wouldn't even think of something ridiculous like pro players retiring over HotS beta balance state. The simple fact that you mention it proves that you think it might be warranted. Well it's not. Edit: Re-added beta for emphasis. Neither would I. That's the point! Nobody is going to say or do something more extreme than what they have already said. Are you being dense on purpose?
You're the one who don't understand what I'm trying to say. When you say that they won't complain any more than that, then add that "zerg is clearly weak" and "it's not difficult to see how frustrated these guys are", you imply that they actually could complain way more than they are right now. What I'm saying is that the game isn't as imbalanced as you want it to be.
Anyway, imo they're complaining the right amount, the game does indeed seem to disfavor Zerg, but Zerg has been very successful at the GSTL special event and that wasn't even the best Zergs playing.
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Heh, I wonder why zergs aren't saying "I think the better player wins" line they were touting for the past 8 months...
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What do you have scheduled for March?
I have MLG and IPL ahead of me. A lot of good players are coming to MLG this season, so I'm not expecting much, and I'd be satisfied with reaching the semifinals. It's hard to practice for IPL because they're using Wings of Liberty, but I want to perform well.
Haha. Low expectations indeed :D
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On February 27 2013 22:25 Ryps wrote:
DRG and Life whining about balance against protoss I hope they wont get banned on TL.
hahaha does Life even have a TL account or know any English other than "You are watching GSL, Global Standard."
I think the ZvP struggle is could be real considering MC said if you lose late game as Protoss you should quit the game lol and normally players just balance whine for their race no matter what haha.
On February 27 2013 23:22 Noocta wrote:
When you read them, it's just more of a "heh, it's kind of hard. "
When plarers are like that, you can probably run 2 month of pro playing the game fully ( face it, really few korean played the hots beta seriously ) until you need to act.
No, it's not "heh, it's kind of hard." ITS BREAKING HIS MENTAL!!!
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United States7435 Posts
thank you wozzot.
Us hardcore DRG fans were calling for your downfall yesterday, but you've exonerated yourself from all crimes today with this work! <3
and <3333 DRG thanking his biggest fans again. Very peculiar statement coming from a pro-gamer, and it makes me very happy.
XD
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TLADT24920 Posts
Thanks wozzot! Considering HoTS is still in beta, I'm sure there will be a couple of changes before game release. Let's just hope the changes don't completely tilt the balance in Zerg's favor after all is said and done and maintain a decent balance for the three races upon launch 
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A lot of you guys seem to be forgetting that beta testing ends on March the 1st. Any changes made after that won't be thoroughly tested by pro players and will most likely make it live. As is HoTS will probably ship with quite a lot of balance issues anyway.
Still, happy with Life and DRG making it through, two of my favorite zerg players due to their multi-tasking heavy styles and tendencies to mix up weird and wacky strategies every now and again.
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