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Source: www.escene.de / www.escene.eu
The Italian Terran player Carlo 'ClouD' Giannacco recently announced that he will leave Germany to live in his home country Italy again. ClouD came to Germany in 2010 to participate in the German ESL Pro Series for his former team MeetYourMakers. He used to live together with Johan 'NaNiwa' Lucchesi at the beginning of his time in Germany till the Swedish Protoss got kicked out of the EPS. Living alone in a different country was sometimes hard for the 25-year old, ClouD told escene.de in an interview some months ago. Beside of his step back to Italy more changes will happen in the life of the Terran player as he announced to leave Team ALTERNATE and that he is already looking for a new team. Without living in Germany he also won't be able to participate in another season of the German ESL Pro Series as this is required for any player who wants to play in the EPS.
Photo: ESL
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Clouds been under the radar for a while. Hope to see some results and a new team from him soon!
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Honestly, with his BM over the months he really needs to clear that out and focus on actually playing to make it anywhere, I feel like.
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Well ClouD spent a lot of time in Germany,that's a good proof of devotion,he served pretty well.
I can imagine he misses Italia now.
Hope he'll do well in the future & gl for a new team.
I just thought about it but Millenium GH is in marseille,near Italy,would be a good compromise :p
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So I read from this that he got the results he wanted to keep playing and not retire?
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Can't think of a team that would want him tbh
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On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh
A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player.
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On January 13 2013 09:04 TheBB wrote:
So I read from this that he got the results he wanted to keep playing and not retire?
No, he just changed idea...
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On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player.
He's Terran, and noone wants foreign Terran right now.
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On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player.
He's still better then half of the progamers..
If desrow can join fxo, cloud can centantly find a good team
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On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player.
Not really. He's a BM player who hasn't done much in the past year. I thought HSC VI was enough to convince him he should pack up the keyboard. I guess not though, so good luck to him. But what Zenbrez isn't harsh at all...it's realistic.
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On January 13 2013 09:12 Mauldo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player. Not really. He's a BM player who hasn't done much in the past year. I thought HSC VI was enough to convince him he should pack up the keyboard. I guess not though, so good luck to him. But what Zenbrez isn't harsh at all...it's realistic.
The fact that he's BM isn't his issue. A lot of players are, and many teams have shown that they don't care that much about it.
With proper practice he'll improve and get a good team. My main question is whether he'll focus on HotS or WoL for the time being.
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On January 13 2013 09:12 Mauldo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player. Not really. He's a BM player who hasn't done much in the past year. I thought HSC VI was enough to convince him he should pack up the keyboard. I guess not though, so good luck to him. But what Zenbrez isn't harsh at all...it's realistic.
He probably won't join a team like EG or Liquid, sure. But that doesn't mean he can't join a smaller team.
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i dont like him at all, he has such a naive and childish behavior and mindset towards both reallife and sc2. gl in the future though
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On January 13 2013 08:58 Thalandros wrote:
Honestly, with his BM over the months he really needs to clear that out and focus on actually playing to make it anywhere, I feel like.
Really? I think the brand value of mediocore players increases when they make "headlines". If Cloud was a quiet guy, then everybody would have forgot he even exisited.
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Have fun in Italy Cloud. I hope you find a good team and can keep playing Starcraft.
GlGl
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I feel extremely happy and motivated myself from his decision to not retire and keep trying to practice and improve.
He always seemed like a great individual (outside that one time when he cheesed me on ladder - like a dick, I might add), and if he survived mentally the terran oppression of this year, he'll surely do great in the future
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Shame. He is a heavy BMer but his stream was always entertaining and educating. Good luck.
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I always feel like he is close to quitting the game
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On January 13 2013 09:20 Eshra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:12 Mauldo wrote:On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player. Not really. He's a BM player who hasn't done much in the past year. I thought HSC VI was enough to convince him he should pack up the keyboard. I guess not though, so good luck to him. But what Zenbrez isn't harsh at all...it's realistic. He probably won't join a team like EG or Liquid, sure. But that doesn't mean he can't join a smaller team.
I don't know what kind of players teams of any size scout for, but Cloud is probably the progamer that publicly whines about balance the most (though there are probably bigger names not coming to mind), hasn't really done much in the past year. Then again, most foreigners haven't either. I'm not saying no one will pick him up, FXO did pick up Desrow after all, I would have never predicted that. I don't follow him nor online tournaments, but the most I remember of him is doing somewhat well in online tournaments in 2011, before koreans were in the picture.
Having that said, if he does put in the hour and the effort, he is just as deserving as anybody else. Gl to him
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I do not get how so many sc2 players with really sub par results have the motivation to carry on. From my understanding, there is barely enough money to be made unless your the elites. Do not get me wrong, it just doesn't make financial sense how alot of players continue playing sc2 professionally without achieving results.
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On January 13 2013 09:36 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:20 Eshra wrote:On January 13 2013 09:12 Mauldo wrote:On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player. Not really. He's a BM player who hasn't done much in the past year. I thought HSC VI was enough to convince him he should pack up the keyboard. I guess not though, so good luck to him. But what Zenbrez isn't harsh at all...it's realistic. He probably won't join a team like EG or Liquid, sure. But that doesn't mean he can't join a smaller team. I don't know what kind of players teams of any size scout for, but Cloud is probably the progamer that publicly whines about balance the most (though there are probably bigger names not coming to mind), hasn't really done much in the past year. Then again, most foreigners haven't either. I'm not saying no one will pick him up, FXO did pick up Desrow after all, I would have never predicted that. I don't follow him nor online tournaments, but the most I remember of him is doing somewhat well in online tournaments in 2011, before koreans were in the picture. Having that said, if he does put in the hour and the effort, he is just as deserving as anybody else. Gl to him
You know who else whines about balance, 90% of Korean players, and quite worse than ClouD does tbh. ToD also whines about balance a ton, more so than ClouD actually.
Anyways I do like ClouD and hope he find a good team, I could see him going to FXO europe or Empire, maybe even Diginitas.
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He will fit well in Empire or Dignitas i think. But also Karont3 is an option and he's very friend with Lucifron...
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On January 13 2013 09:40 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:36 Zenbrez wrote:On January 13 2013 09:20 Eshra wrote:On January 13 2013 09:12 Mauldo wrote:On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player. Not really. He's a BM player who hasn't done much in the past year. I thought HSC VI was enough to convince him he should pack up the keyboard. I guess not though, so good luck to him. But what Zenbrez isn't harsh at all...it's realistic. He probably won't join a team like EG or Liquid, sure. But that doesn't mean he can't join a smaller team. I don't know what kind of players teams of any size scout for, but Cloud is probably the progamer that publicly whines about balance the most (though there are probably bigger names not coming to mind), hasn't really done much in the past year. Then again, most foreigners haven't either. I'm not saying no one will pick him up, FXO did pick up Desrow after all, I would have never predicted that. I don't follow him nor online tournaments, but the most I remember of him is doing somewhat well in online tournaments in 2011, before koreans were in the picture. Having that said, if he does put in the hour and the effort, he is just as deserving as anybody else. Gl to him You know who else whines about balance, 90% of Korean players, and quite worse than ClouD does tbh. ToD also whines about balance a ton, more so than ClouD actually. Anyways I do like ClouD and hope he find a good team, I could see him going to FXO europe or Empire, maybe even Diginitas.
Well ToD doesn't have a team eitheer, does he? :o
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On January 13 2013 09:58 krutopatkin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:40 masterbreti wrote:On January 13 2013 09:36 Zenbrez wrote:On January 13 2013 09:20 Eshra wrote:On January 13 2013 09:12 Mauldo wrote:On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player. Not really. He's a BM player who hasn't done much in the past year. I thought HSC VI was enough to convince him he should pack up the keyboard. I guess not though, so good luck to him. But what Zenbrez isn't harsh at all...it's realistic. He probably won't join a team like EG or Liquid, sure. But that doesn't mean he can't join a smaller team. I don't know what kind of players teams of any size scout for, but Cloud is probably the progamer that publicly whines about balance the most (though there are probably bigger names not coming to mind), hasn't really done much in the past year. Then again, most foreigners haven't either. I'm not saying no one will pick him up, FXO did pick up Desrow after all, I would have never predicted that. I don't follow him nor online tournaments, but the most I remember of him is doing somewhat well in online tournaments in 2011, before koreans were in the picture. Having that said, if he does put in the hour and the effort, he is just as deserving as anybody else. Gl to him You know who else whines about balance, 90% of Korean players, and quite worse than ClouD does tbh. ToD also whines about balance a ton, more so than ClouD actually. Anyways I do like ClouD and hope he find a good team, I could see him going to FXO europe or Empire, maybe even Diginitas. Well ToD doesn't have a team eitheer, does he? :o
Yeah, but ToD is transitioning to be a caster/analyser, so he doesn't need a team.
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On January 13 2013 09:24 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 08:58 Thalandros wrote:
Honestly, with his BM over the months he really needs to clear that out and focus on actually playing to make it anywhere, I feel like. Really? I think the brand value of mediocore players increases when they make "headlines". If Cloud was a quiet guy, then everybody would have forgot he even exisited.
Exactly.
Crap player + angry personality = drama = views = money
crap player + quiet = just another generic streamer.
But with top Koreans being currently unemployed, who would pick up this guy unless they want him to play for free. And then are you really a 'pro'?
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On January 13 2013 09:40 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:36 Zenbrez wrote:On January 13 2013 09:20 Eshra wrote:On January 13 2013 09:12 Mauldo wrote:On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player. Not really. He's a BM player who hasn't done much in the past year. I thought HSC VI was enough to convince him he should pack up the keyboard. I guess not though, so good luck to him. But what Zenbrez isn't harsh at all...it's realistic. He probably won't join a team like EG or Liquid, sure. But that doesn't mean he can't join a smaller team. I don't know what kind of players teams of any size scout for, but Cloud is probably the progamer that publicly whines about balance the most (though there are probably bigger names not coming to mind), hasn't really done much in the past year. Then again, most foreigners haven't either. I'm not saying no one will pick him up, FXO did pick up Desrow after all, I would have never predicted that. I don't follow him nor online tournaments, but the most I remember of him is doing somewhat well in online tournaments in 2011, before koreans were in the picture. Having that said, if he does put in the hour and the effort, he is just as deserving as anybody else. Gl to him You know who else whines about balance, 90% of Korean players, and quite worse than ClouD does tbh. ToD also whines about balance a ton, more so than ClouD actually. Anyways I do like ClouD and hope he find a good team, I could see him going to FXO europe or Empire, maybe even Diginitas.
I said publicly. I sometimes see them mention balance in a sentence in gsl interviews and whatnot, but they don't come onto live report threads and bitch about it.
edit - referring to koreans
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People look for petty things to wish the worst for a player's career, I don't understand why some people can be so hateful.
I don't have the impression that ClouD wanted to leave Germany, so I guess Alternate didn't want to re-sign him. He was doing better lately but that was probably too little too late. He said he wanted to return to Protoss in HotS, maybe he is luckier with it.
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On January 13 2013 10:04 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:40 masterbreti wrote:On January 13 2013 09:36 Zenbrez wrote:On January 13 2013 09:20 Eshra wrote:On January 13 2013 09:12 Mauldo wrote:On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player. Not really. He's a BM player who hasn't done much in the past year. I thought HSC VI was enough to convince him he should pack up the keyboard. I guess not though, so good luck to him. But what Zenbrez isn't harsh at all...it's realistic. He probably won't join a team like EG or Liquid, sure. But that doesn't mean he can't join a smaller team. I don't know what kind of players teams of any size scout for, but Cloud is probably the progamer that publicly whines about balance the most (though there are probably bigger names not coming to mind), hasn't really done much in the past year. Then again, most foreigners haven't either. I'm not saying no one will pick him up, FXO did pick up Desrow after all, I would have never predicted that. I don't follow him nor online tournaments, but the most I remember of him is doing somewhat well in online tournaments in 2011, before koreans were in the picture. Having that said, if he does put in the hour and the effort, he is just as deserving as anybody else. Gl to him You know who else whines about balance, 90% of Korean players, and quite worse than ClouD does tbh. ToD also whines about balance a ton, more so than ClouD actually. Anyways I do like ClouD and hope he find a good team, I could see him going to FXO europe or Empire, maybe even Diginitas. I said publicly. I sometimes see them mention balance in a sentence in gsl interviews and whatnot, but they don't come onto live report threads and bitch about it. edit - referring to koreans
Unless you are Ryung and going apeshit >.<
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On January 13 2013 09:52 Putty wrote:
He will fit well in Empire or Dignitas i think. But also Karont3 is an option and he's very friend with Lucifron...
Karont3 seems to be a pretty credible theory, they said they would reruit new players soon, plus it's a latin team, then you say he's friend with LucifroN. Unless he signs with the italian team inFerno.
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Unless he signs with the italian team inFerno.
That's very unlikely. He was on InF before joining MyM and, as far as i know, Inferno is too little to provide a decent support for an international player. They are more focused on the italian scene.
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This guy's low/mid level GM in EU, and I don't think this is worth the news tbh.
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On January 13 2013 10:21 WardenSC wrote:
This guy's low/mid level GM in EU, and I don't think this is worth the news tbh.
Ladder means nothing, but just for information he was top16 a few times and top50 most of the time in 2012 (there was just a period in the summer when he was mind-broken and he felt down a bit). I think he's at least in the top 10 or 15 foreing terran.
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Always wish him the best, my favorite foreigner terran. Really fun person, at times whiny, but saying he's very BM... Well I might've missed something, but usually he's just brutally honest, or rather says exactly what he thinks. When he says stuff like that, it doesn't really seem to me like it's coming from a bad place, that is not just to be a dick to someone.
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On January 13 2013 10:19 Putty wrote:That's very unlikely. He was on InF before joining MyM and, as far as i know, Inferno is too little to provide a decent support for an international player. They are more focused on the italian scene.
I guess it's unlikely indeed, I put it on the table in case. But they have a partnership with the korean team dtG, that allowed them to recruit Sickness so they are maybe a little more focused to the international that we believe. But I'm not italian so I'm not familiar at all with inFerno.
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cloud blog... if it's anything like his entries on TL it's gonna be an entertaining read at least! Best of luck.
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Best of luck!
sounds like a huge change in his life
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the level of prejudice and ignorance in this thread is amazing. And this shitstorm is mostly due to the TLO incident. Fanboys are really irrational people..
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Hope it turns out well for u cloud!
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 13 2013 10:43 NeV wrote:
the level of prejudice and ignorance in this thread is amazing. And this shitstorm is mostly due to the TLO incident. Fanboys are really irrational people..
I can't help but to point at your nationality here... lol
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On January 13 2013 10:06 SinCitta wrote:
People look for petty things to wish the worst for a player's career, I don't understand why some people can be so hateful.
I don't have the impression that ClouD wanted to leave Germany, so I guess Alternate didn't want to re-sign him. He was doing better lately but that was probably too little too late. He said he wanted to return to Protoss in HotS, maybe he is luckier with it.
In my opinion it's pretty sad to see our game and community taking this direction of crucifying anyone who doesn't meet their standards of being perfectly mannered in both private interactions and public (which is more understandable.) This is what I've always loved about gaming communities, the fact that for the longest period of time it was all about just having fun and not being constrained by political correctness. Suffice to say we now are moving forward into the mainstream and although this has it's perks it also means that personalities and people such as Cloud are going to no longer be able to thrive unless they change which is a change for the worst imo as it makes things much more boring.
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On January 13 2013 09:10 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player. He's Terran, and noone wants foreign Terran right now.
Gogo Tfunk.
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GL & HF, ClouD. Show us more GGs. 
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Can't believe how many people call ClouD BM. ClouD is probably the most honest and straightforward player in the scene right now, never afraid to say what he thinks. I don't think that's BM, I think that's something we could use a lot more in the scene rather than hiding behind politically acceptable answers. You know what to expect with him which is more than can be said for a ton of people, and to me something to admire. Also, his sense of humor is great.
Hope you'll be able to put everything you've learned in Germany into practice now that you're back in Italy, and best of luck finding a new team Carlo.
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They think he's bm just because he said TLO is overrated and he doesen't deserves the recognition/fanbase he have. That's a legitimate opinion. But Cloud also admit that now TLO is good (compared to 6 months ago)... i remember him saying on his stream that "Dario is ok now".
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I actually hope ClouD sticks with SC2. I got the feeling that he might quit the game with moving back. I really hope a good team picks him up and that he stays motivated to play the game.
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Good luck Cloud ![[image loading]](http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3817/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif)
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While in Germany, ClouD grew in many ways, both as a gamer and as a man
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On January 13 2013 13:49 SamsungStar wrote:
While in Germany, ClouD grew in many ways, both as a gamer and as a man
You could say that the experience elongated his horizons.
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On January 13 2013 10:25 Putty wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 10:21 WardenSC wrote:
This guy's low/mid level GM in EU, and I don't think this is worth the news tbh. Ladder means nothing, but just for information he was top16 a few times and top50 most of the time in 2012 (there was just a period in the summer when he was mind-broken and he felt down a bit). I think he's at least in the top 10 or 15 foreing terran.
When people say "low gm" they're referring to skill, not literal ladder rank. There are a good enough of top 8 people in GM NA/EU that are pretty terrible. Same in that some top 8 masters are referred to as mid masters.
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People who call Cloud bad mannered are full of shit. I don't know how people come up with such bullshit. You may not like his personality because he says what he thinks and that's not always the most clever thing to do but calling him bad mannered is so far off actually.
Also Cloud is a very skilled player and certainly a loss for the german EPS. I hope he can imrpove further and get rid of the things that are holding him back.
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Why do people still care about awful foreigners who never put up results?
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On January 13 2013 14:40 Baum wrote:
People who call Cloud bad mannered are full of shit. I don't know how people come up with such bullshit. You may not like his personality because he says what he thinks and that's not always the most clever thing to do but calling him bad mannered is so far off actually.
Also Cloud is a very skilled player and certainly a loss for the german EPS. I hope he can imrpove further and get rid of the things that are holding him back.
Are you Cloud? People are allowed to like him, but to deny his extensive history of BM and balance/player bashing is ignorant.
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I agree guys, ClouD is a bm person, last time we were sharing a hotel room he didnt't allow me to watch MLG LoL cause he wanted to watch SC matches. 
Anyway i feel that right now he's just stuck in another bathroom, what's the matter? He's gonna crush another door and come out stronger
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That's a bummer, I really enjoyed watching ClouD in the EPS.
Anyways, I hope he'll be more happy in Italy (the food is definitely better there), and I hope he does not quit sc2.
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On January 13 2013 16:25 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 14:40 Baum wrote:
People who call Cloud bad mannered are full of shit. I don't know how people come up with such bullshit. You may not like his personality because he says what he thinks and that's not always the most clever thing to do but calling him bad mannered is so far off actually.
Also Cloud is a very skilled player and certainly a loss for the german EPS. I hope he can imrpove further and get rid of the things that are holding him back. After he lost to TLO at HSC he typed "you play like a faggot and left the game" yah, not bm at all. Not to mention all the balance whining and player bashing.
check your facts. that game you are referring to wasnt even a tournament. it was a random laddergame and i was way before hsc afaik
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On January 13 2013 14:40 Baum wrote:
People who call Cloud bad mannered are full of shit. I don't know how people come up with such bullshit. You may not like his personality because he says what he thinks and that's not always the most clever thing to do but calling him bad mannered is so far off actually.
Also Cloud is a very skilled player and certainly a loss for the german EPS. I hope he can imrpove further and get rid of the things that are holding him back.
I think calling him bad mannered is about as accurate as it gets.
I mean he continually insults players, the game itself and of course Blizzard employees on top of it, without ANYTHING to back up his statements. When I hear shit like "David Kim is an idiot and I or anyone would do a much better job" then all that's left to do is rolling my eyes.
There's no reason for me to respect the guy. Just because he is a progamer I do not automatically accept shitty behavior like that.
Well perhaps he'll some day realize that he won't do well with an attitude like that and actually improve on it.
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He is a talented play but his mindset is crap. I remember him back before he lost the finals against Nony for the Korea trip. You could say that being direct is good, but he comes out like a huge asshole too many times. He also had some bad racist remarks on this forum.
He is not that young anymore and i expect he will get picked up by a second tier EU team. Anyhow gl cookie monster.
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On January 13 2013 16:05 ChrysaliS_ wrote:
Why do people still care about awful foreigners who never put up results?
Because the us scene would be dead otherwise? 
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All the best ClouD! He's deserves some props after all these hardworks and hard time in his career!
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Last time I posted a joke at clouds expense, he cursed me out on skype and removed me.. I guess we can safely say dignitas isn't a very likely option.
Ideally for Cloud we're talking teams like millenium, mouz, but I don't see them interested. I could see him ending up with a team like Infused. You can't neglect the experience and reputation that he has build up over the years, yeah he's got a volatile personality, but it's still better than being an unknown. Even if he hasn't won any titles, he's often present at many events, making it through qualifiers and what not. He could give a team some good face time.
Edit: I thought he didn't like living in Italy though, am I remembering that wrong?
Spent new years at the Amalfi Coast which was nothing short of amazing, but Napels was a stark contrast with parts of it being quite rundown. I hope you end up in a good area. Also make sure you have stream worthy internet, obviously that increases a players value.
On January 13 2013 09:40 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:36 Zenbrez wrote:On January 13 2013 09:20 Eshra wrote:On January 13 2013 09:12 Mauldo wrote:On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player. Not really. He's a BM player who hasn't done much in the past year. I thought HSC VI was enough to convince him he should pack up the keyboard. I guess not though, so good luck to him. But what Zenbrez isn't harsh at all...it's realistic. He probably won't join a team like EG or Liquid, sure. But that doesn't mean he can't join a smaller team. I don't know what kind of players teams of any size scout for, but Cloud is probably the progamer that publicly whines about balance the most (though there are probably bigger names not coming to mind), hasn't really done much in the past year. Then again, most foreigners haven't either. I'm not saying no one will pick him up, FXO did pick up Desrow after all, I would have never predicted that. I don't follow him nor online tournaments, but the most I remember of him is doing somewhat well in online tournaments in 2011, before koreans were in the picture. Having that said, if he does put in the hour and the effort, he is just as deserving as anybody else. Gl to him You know who else whines about balance, 90% of Korean players, and quite worse than ClouD does tbh. ToD also whines about balance a ton, more so than ClouD actually. Anyways I do like ClouD and hope he find a good team, I could see him going to FXO europe or Empire, maybe even Diginitas.
On January 13 2013 09:52 Putty wrote:
He will fit well in Empire or Dignitas i think. But also Karont3 is an option and he's very friend with Lucifron...
I think we can rule out dignitas for now, considering what happened when Tefel was recruited. Then again, dignitas signed Ourk and there's history between him and Bling too so who knows.
Empire, FXO eu, maybe. I'd agree with Karont3 being a good fit though.
Edit: Why are people making such a big deal about him being BM or not? There's absolutely no point in denying he has a history of being bad mannered, sure, but why do people think it matters this much? This whole discussion about him being BM or not is a waste of space.
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After reading it my impression is that its a quiet retirement.
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I'm going to keep playing, I said some months ago I was unhappy with how I performed in tournament games and unless I saw improvement I would retire. I think my mindset has changed and I've been playing much better in the latest tournaments. Sure with terran the way it is not I did not expect to win HomeStoryCup, I only wanted to see if I choked or not in tournament games like I used to do. Nothing is worse than going in a competition and underperforming, and the last 3 tournaments I played I was happy with myself and had overall a good feeling. I think I am a much better player right now and if Blizzard keeps this state of balance I will change race with HotS (like other non korean pro terrans probably) but I am definitely going to play more since in Italy I don't have to worry about anything except how to improve myself as a person and as a player. I'm absolutely not considering retirement just because the game is screwed up, I would rather change my race than being defeated by the incompetence of the Blizzard balance team. There's still a lot to play and to see in the future and I see myself doing much better than in the past as I grow up in mindset and skill.
Thanks to the guys with the kind words and cheers to the h8ers, love ya <3
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I hope to see you switching back to protoss :O
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On January 13 2013 21:27 aTnClouD wrote:I'm going to keep playing, I said some months ago I was unhappy with how I performed in tournament games and unless I saw improvement I would retire. I think my mindset has changed and I've been playing much better in the latest tournaments. Sure with terran the way it is not I did not expect to win HomeStoryCup, I only wanted to see if I choked or not in tournament games like I used to do. Nothing is worse than going in a competition and underperforming, and the last 3 tournaments I played I was happy with myself and had overall a good feeling. I think I am a much better player right now and if Blizzard keeps this state of balance I will change race with HotS (like other non korean pro terrans probably) but I am definitely going to play more since in Italy I don't have to worry about anything except how to improve myself as a person and as a player. I'm absolutely not considering retirement just because the game is screwed up, I would rather change my race than being defeated by the incompetence of the Blizzard balance team. There's still a lot to play and to see in the future and I see myself doing much better than in the past as I grow up in mindset and skill. Thanks to the guys with the kind words and cheers to the h8ers, love ya <3
Back your roots and play protoss
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hope he won´t retire and find an awesome new team soon!!
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On January 13 2013 20:01 Martijn wrote:Last time I posted a joke at clouds expense, he cursed me out on skype and removed me.. I guess we can safely say dignitas isn't a very likely option.
Cursed and removed over that post? Hah
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You will be missed. Come back soon <3
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ClouD!!! Come to a NA team
Dignitas or Empire should pick him up.
Good luck ClouD
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The only post he makes in his own thread he says he has a better mindset then whines about balance. I'm all for foreigners trying to make it happen for them, but stop blaming the race.
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Please come back with a better attitude towards the game and humanity.
That includes the constant blaming of others for your own underperforming.
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Its not possible to play Terran in Europe, but at least you get some more sun in Italy.
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Gl hf! What is the state of the italian sc2 scene btw? Are there any dominating teams like e.g. Millenium for France?
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I don't really like ClouD, he always seems to whine more than play.
GL to him, we need some more terran representation in the foreign lands.
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On January 14 2013 08:22 JustPassingBy wrote:
Gl hf! What is the state of the italian sc2 scene btw? Are there any dominating teams like e.g. Millenium for France?
well, Inferno eSports is probably the biggest organisation in Italy. They used to have a pretty good European lineup, with SortOf, RunA and Jimpo and some others, but then they were reduced to just Italian players, probably the best Italian players, with the exceptions of StarEagle, ClouD and Evaner. Now they just picked up Sickness, a Korean player who used to be on Dream Team Gaming. They also have a partnership with Dream Team Gaming, which should have ended at the end of 2012, so I don't really know what's happening with that ^^.
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On January 13 2013 09:12 Mauldo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player. Not really. He's a BM player who hasn't done much in the past year. I thought HSC VI was enough to convince him he should pack up the keyboard. I guess not though, so good luck to him. But what Zenbrez isn't harsh at all...it's realistic.
Agreed, not sure why dropping out in the first stage of Homestory after only winning a series against ToD counted as the "results" to continue playing
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On January 14 2013 08:20 Zenbrez wrote:
The only post he makes in his own thread he says he has a better mindset then whines about balance. I'm all for foreigners trying to make it happen for them, but stop blaming the race.
You play zerg dont you?
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On January 14 2013 08:22 JustPassingBy wrote:
Gl hf! What is the state of the italian sc2 scene btw? Are there any dominating teams like e.g. Millenium for France?
I don't know anything about the players or teams, but I know that they have Vasa, who is a pretty damn sexy caster. (I don't understand Italian. But he can use his voice very well.)
Hope the move brings you everything you're looking for, Cloud. Also, think you'll be in the Vasacast tournament?
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On January 14 2013 08:43 felisconcolori wrote:
Hope the move brings you everything you're looking for, Cloud. Also, think you'll be in the Vasacast tournament?
Yes he will play in the Vasacast Invitational. The first 3 invited players are Cloud, Snute and Kas. (the other 13 are unknown, they reveal 3 each week)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392580
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On January 14 2013 08:34 skatblast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 08:20 Zenbrez wrote:
The only post he makes in his own thread he says he has a better mindset then whines about balance. I'm all for foreigners trying to make it happen for them, but stop blaming the race. You play zerg dont you?
I've played all races to low masters (not bragging, I know this is terrible), and now play random. Are you suggesting the overwhelming amount of code S level terrans are all a fluke?
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On January 13 2013 20:01 Martijn wrote:Last time I posted a joke at clouds expense, he cursed me out on skype and removed me.. I guess we can safely say dignitas isn't a very likely option. Ideally for Cloud we're talking teams like millenium, mouz, but I don't see them interested. I could see him ending up with a team like Infused. You can't neglect the experience and reputation that he has build up over the years, yeah he's got a volatile personality, but it's still better than being an unknown. Even if he hasn't won any titles, he's often present at many events, making it through qualifiers and what not. He could give a team some good face time. Edit: I thought he didn't like living in Italy though, am I remembering that wrong? Spent new years at the Amalfi Coast which was nothing short of amazing, but Napels was a stark contrast with parts of it being quite rundown. I hope you end up in a good area. Also make sure you have stream worthy internet, obviously that increases a players value. Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:40 masterbreti wrote:On January 13 2013 09:36 Zenbrez wrote:On January 13 2013 09:20 Eshra wrote:On January 13 2013 09:12 Mauldo wrote:On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player. Not really. He's a BM player who hasn't done much in the past year. I thought HSC VI was enough to convince him he should pack up the keyboard. I guess not though, so good luck to him. But what Zenbrez isn't harsh at all...it's realistic. He probably won't join a team like EG or Liquid, sure. But that doesn't mean he can't join a smaller team. I don't know what kind of players teams of any size scout for, but Cloud is probably the progamer that publicly whines about balance the most (though there are probably bigger names not coming to mind), hasn't really done much in the past year. Then again, most foreigners haven't either. I'm not saying no one will pick him up, FXO did pick up Desrow after all, I would have never predicted that. I don't follow him nor online tournaments, but the most I remember of him is doing somewhat well in online tournaments in 2011, before koreans were in the picture. Having that said, if he does put in the hour and the effort, he is just as deserving as anybody else. Gl to him You know who else whines about balance, 90% of Korean players, and quite worse than ClouD does tbh. ToD also whines about balance a ton, more so than ClouD actually. Anyways I do like ClouD and hope he find a good team, I could see him going to FXO europe or Empire, maybe even Diginitas. Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:52 Putty wrote:
He will fit well in Empire or Dignitas i think. But also Karont3 is an option and he's very friend with Lucifron... I think we can rule out dignitas for now, considering what happened when Tefel was recruited. Then again, dignitas signed Ourk and there's history between him and Bling too so who knows. Empire, FXO eu, maybe. I'd agree with Karont3 being a good fit though. Edit: Why are people making such a big deal about him being BM or not? There's absolutely no point in denying he has a history of being bad mannered, sure, but why do people think it matters this much? This whole discussion about him being BM or not is a waste of space.
Since he called Goswser a patchzerg, I think we can consider this hypothesis as quite unlikely.
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On January 14 2013 08:53 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 08:34 skatblast wrote:On January 14 2013 08:20 Zenbrez wrote:
The only post he makes in his own thread he says he has a better mindset then whines about balance. I'm all for foreigners trying to make it happen for them, but stop blaming the race. You play zerg dont you? I've played all races to low masters (not bragging, I know this is terrible), and now play random. Are you suggesting the overwhelming amount of code S level terrans are all a fluke?
Wait, what foreign terrans are in code S? none
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On January 14 2013 08:53 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 08:34 skatblast wrote:On January 14 2013 08:20 Zenbrez wrote:
The only post he makes in his own thread he says he has a better mindset then whines about balance. I'm all for foreigners trying to make it happen for them, but stop blaming the race. You play zerg dont you? I've played all races to low masters (not bragging, I know this is terrible), and now play random. Are you suggesting the overwhelming amount of code S level terrans are all a fluke?
Depends, if you are on sc2 all day everyday nerding it up hardcore then yes low masters is terrible. If you are leading a productive life and also in low masters then that is pretty good really. Last seasons gsl season; http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_5/Code_S_Statistics
More Terrans but win rates for Zerg are on the crazy side, not that I like balance whine from pros too much myself even when the stats back them up.
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On January 14 2013 08:58 skatblast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 08:53 Zenbrez wrote:On January 14 2013 08:34 skatblast wrote:On January 14 2013 08:20 Zenbrez wrote:
The only post he makes in his own thread he says he has a better mindset then whines about balance. I'm all for foreigners trying to make it happen for them, but stop blaming the race. You play zerg dont you? I've played all races to low masters (not bragging, I know this is terrible), and now play random. Are you suggesting the overwhelming amount of code S level terrans are all a fluke? Wait, what foreign terrans are in code S? none
Wait, what difference is there between a foreigner and a korean? Nothing, they're both humans with the exact same capabilities. Not only that, but playing terran on KR server have the same stats as on NA/EU..
I can't believe you're arguing this. Dozens of terrans prove they can compete at the highest level, and you're defending Cloud's inability to get past the first round of any tournament because of imbalances?
Depends, if you are on sc2 all day everyday nerding it up hardcore then yes low masters is terrible. If you are leading a productive life and also in low masters then that is pretty good really. Last seasons gsl season; (Wiki)2012 Global StarCraft II League Season 5/Code S Statistics
More Terrans but win rates for Zerg are on the crazy side, not that I like balance whine from pros too much myself even when the stats back them up.
I play ~3 games a day, in the grand scheme of things, low masters is quite terrible, but for my surposes, as a personal accomplishment I'm quite proud.
But you're right, there's no need to argue. This'll be my last post in this thread
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Cloud is one of those progamers i've never seen winning anything, yet i know he made tens of thousands of dollars from sc2 from minor/medium local and online tournaments + sponsorship.
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On January 14 2013 09:16 Geo.Rion wrote:
Cloud is one of those progamers i've never seen winning anything, yet i know he made tens of thousands of dollars from sc2 from minor/medium local and online tournaments + sponsorship.
Tens of thousands tho? source? i just used TLs database and with rounding up / being nice hes made around 4000-4200 USD in total prize money from when he started playing to present day. Had one win awhile ago for 2000 USD. But if you have these source of the "tens of thousands of dollars" and can quote me a source for his income from sponsors I will be glad to change my post.
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On January 14 2013 08:58 skatblast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 08:53 Zenbrez wrote:On January 14 2013 08:34 skatblast wrote:On January 14 2013 08:20 Zenbrez wrote:
The only post he makes in his own thread he says he has a better mindset then whines about balance. I'm all for foreigners trying to make it happen for them, but stop blaming the race. You play zerg dont you? I've played all races to low masters (not bragging, I know this is terrible), and now play random. Are you suggesting the overwhelming amount of code S level terrans are all a fluke? Wait, what foreign terrans are in code S? none
Well, I guess that proves it...
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On January 14 2013 09:37 LimeNade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 09:16 Geo.Rion wrote:
Cloud is one of those progamers i've never seen winning anything, yet i know he made tens of thousands of dollars from sc2 from minor/medium local and online tournaments + sponsorship.
Tens of thousands tho? source? i just used TLs database and with rounding up / being nice hes made around 4000-4200 USD in total prize money from when he started playing to present day. Had one win awhile ago for 2000 USD. But if you have these source of the "tens of thousands of dollars" and can quote me a source for his income from sponsors I will be glad to change my post.
http://sc2earnings.com/
around 11k?
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On January 14 2013 09:37 LimeNade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 09:16 Geo.Rion wrote:
Cloud is one of those progamers i've never seen winning anything, yet i know he made tens of thousands of dollars from sc2 from minor/medium local and online tournaments + sponsorship.
Tens of thousands tho? source? i just used TLs database and with rounding up / being nice hes made around 4000-4200 USD in total prize money from when he started playing to present day. Had one win awhile ago for 2000 USD. But if you have these source of the "tens of thousands of dollars" and can quote me a source for his income from sponsors I will be glad to change my post.
in one post or something he talked about unpaid winnings and that was several K, so i just made an estimate based on that. Could be wrong
+ German and Italian LANs are quite well priced afaik even if the competition is light
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I thought ClouD retired a while back?
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Cloud is one of the greatest esports personalities I've met, (another couple of ones that directly comes to mind is MerZ and Apollo), and I've met quite a few, including 'fan favorites' like Day[9], Tasteless and Artosis. I really hope this change can bring some new life to your career and hopefully give you years within esport and starcraft to come.
Either way, I wish you the best. Fighting!
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On January 14 2013 08:53 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 08:34 skatblast wrote:On January 14 2013 08:20 Zenbrez wrote:
The only post he makes in his own thread he says he has a better mindset then whines about balance. I'm all for foreigners trying to make it happen for them, but stop blaming the race. You play zerg dont you? I've played all races to low masters (not bragging, I know this is terrible), and now play random. Are you suggesting the overwhelming amount of code S level terrans are all a fluke?
Little fact in Korea that people don't know when they point at Korean Terrans : you can play Starcraft II without buying the game from PC cafes using your korean bnet account, but you can only play Terran. Now if you're still surprised Korea produces so many Terrans despite balance issues ... I don't know
Anyway I'm not worried for ClouD at all his mindset seems to be perfect right now to be honest, but no mindset will change facts such as current balance.
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On January 14 2013 10:04 cArn- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 08:53 Zenbrez wrote:On January 14 2013 08:34 skatblast wrote:On January 14 2013 08:20 Zenbrez wrote:
The only post he makes in his own thread he says he has a better mindset then whines about balance. I'm all for foreigners trying to make it happen for them, but stop blaming the race. You play zerg dont you? I've played all races to low masters (not bragging, I know this is terrible), and now play random. Are you suggesting the overwhelming amount of code S level terrans are all a fluke? Little fact in Korea that people don't know when they point at Korean Terrans : you can play Starcraft II without buying the game from PC cafes using your korean bnet account, but you can only play Terran. Now if you're still surprised Korea produces so many Terrans despite balance issues ... I don't know Anyway I'm not worried for ClouD at all his mindset seems to be perfect right now to be honest, but no mindset will change facts such as current balance.
dafaq? U can multi-player as terran? but only as terran? How did this come to be
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has he achieved anything since he came to Germany ?
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On January 14 2013 10:21 NexCa wrote:
has he achieved anything since he came to Germany ?
no
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On January 14 2013 08:54 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 20:01 Martijn wrote:Last time I posted a joke at clouds expense, he cursed me out on skype and removed me.. I guess we can safely say dignitas isn't a very likely option. Ideally for Cloud we're talking teams like millenium, mouz, but I don't see them interested. I could see him ending up with a team like Infused. You can't neglect the experience and reputation that he has build up over the years, yeah he's got a volatile personality, but it's still better than being an unknown. Even if he hasn't won any titles, he's often present at many events, making it through qualifiers and what not. He could give a team some good face time. Edit: I thought he didn't like living in Italy though, am I remembering that wrong? Spent new years at the Amalfi Coast which was nothing short of amazing, but Napels was a stark contrast with parts of it being quite rundown. I hope you end up in a good area. Also make sure you have stream worthy internet, obviously that increases a players value. On January 13 2013 09:40 masterbreti wrote:On January 13 2013 09:36 Zenbrez wrote:On January 13 2013 09:20 Eshra wrote:On January 13 2013 09:12 Mauldo wrote:On January 13 2013 09:09 KaiserJohan wrote:On January 13 2013 09:07 Zenbrez wrote:
Can't think of a team that would want him tbh A little harsh isn't it? he's not the most well-known but he is still quite a good player. Not really. He's a BM player who hasn't done much in the past year. I thought HSC VI was enough to convince him he should pack up the keyboard. I guess not though, so good luck to him. But what Zenbrez isn't harsh at all...it's realistic. He probably won't join a team like EG or Liquid, sure. But that doesn't mean he can't join a smaller team. I don't know what kind of players teams of any size scout for, but Cloud is probably the progamer that publicly whines about balance the most (though there are probably bigger names not coming to mind), hasn't really done much in the past year. Then again, most foreigners haven't either. I'm not saying no one will pick him up, FXO did pick up Desrow after all, I would have never predicted that. I don't follow him nor online tournaments, but the most I remember of him is doing somewhat well in online tournaments in 2011, before koreans were in the picture. Having that said, if he does put in the hour and the effort, he is just as deserving as anybody else. Gl to him You know who else whines about balance, 90% of Korean players, and quite worse than ClouD does tbh. ToD also whines about balance a ton, more so than ClouD actually. Anyways I do like ClouD and hope he find a good team, I could see him going to FXO europe or Empire, maybe even Diginitas. On January 13 2013 09:52 Putty wrote:
He will fit well in Empire or Dignitas i think. But also Karont3 is an option and he's very friend with Lucifron... I think we can rule out dignitas for now, considering what happened when Tefel was recruited. Then again, dignitas signed Ourk and there's history between him and Bling too so who knows. Empire, FXO eu, maybe. I'd agree with Karont3 being a good fit though. Edit: Why are people making such a big deal about him being BM or not? There's absolutely no point in denying he has a history of being bad mannered, sure, but why do people think it matters this much? This whole discussion about him being BM or not is a waste of space. Since he called Goswser a patchzerg, I think we can consider this hypothesis as quite unlikely.
I guess the challenge here is to find whatever bridges haven't been burned yet..
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GL dude, it would be sad to see you switch race, but as a pro you do what you gotta do. Thanks for being one of the only vocal Terrans who say publicly what the rest of the pro's say only on their streams or in private.
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On January 13 2013 16:05 ChrysaliS_ wrote:
Why do people still care about awful foreigners who never put up results?
You happen to be the 2nd person from the US who states something along those lines, enough for me to quote (not to you personally but all of those people). ClouD is probably still better than 80% of the N/A players so I wouldn't call him awful. He's not successful but that doesn't equal being awful.
There are tons of players being unsuccessful but are not even mediocre to begin with. The deeper you go into skill-regions the harder it gets. Look at Korea. There are tons of players who would demolish EU stars and are unsuccessful.
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i wish ClouD best luck in the future
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Gl ClouD!
Ive read some of your blog posts and I think its great that you do what you want to do with your life!
Also, even if not all players can be champions, they still create enjoyable and great games,
in any tournament, its not like you only watch the finals, you watch the groupstage and the playoffs, people can produce great games and competition without being a champion.
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