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Hello everyone,
Alot of you know me well from 2011 as one of the known unorthodox Terran players out there. Others who don't know me, welcome and hope you get to know me better!
I used to be a part of vVv Gaming and recently wasn't upholding the new requirements due to the management change. Hence, I am not on a team anymore. I love vVv for being that team out there to take in a casual player like myself who never ever thought of competing at live events. Since then I gained a bad rep for being on the team, but I didn't care what others thought so much. I was the only player on vVv to come 1 game from championship bracket at MLG Providence, which I still hold proud to myself. Thank you vVv for doing what I would have never dreamed of doing.
For all of you out there RuFF isn't gone, but just starting again! This entire year has been a big flunk of RL issues moving, relationship, and school. I have partnerships with Twitch.tv and Own3d.tv, and still plan to use my partners to stream content for all of you.
For my viewers out there, thanks for being awesome and watching me even though I was only active maybe once a week during the year! For this new year you all will be seeing me streaming probably 4+ hrs every weekday and possible weekends. I will also be looking for a new team to call home and get the experience and practice I need to go further like I did back in the day.
I'm not dead in the SC2 Community yet! So if your interested in crazy thor drops, silly marine timing attacks, mass reapers against zerg. Hit up my stream at:
http://www.own3d.tv/vVvRuFF (This may change because of leaving the team)
Also if your interested in coaching you can find me at z33k.com. I used to be the head terran coach at hotkeyit.com and my RL job is teaching! So, I know how to coach! 
Thanks everyone!
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I love your stream, so funny watching your weird builds xD
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vVv isn't really well known, as i've never seen any of their players compete, much less place. I am sure you can find a new team to pick you up. (Shameless plug for FXOpen.NA, who could use players)
I've not heard of you until now, but if you are truely "unothadox", that means you innovate your own builds rather than follow like a mindless sheep, and I hope the best for you.
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I played you in ladder recently @_@, your playstyle can be so annoying to play against >____> wish you best of luck ^_^~
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I heard OF vVv but assumed they died a long time ago 0.o Anyways gl on the future, sucks that you have to write your own 'I
'm leaving post'....I'm guessing vVv doesn't do well at promoting themselves?
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never heard of either... don't know why you would make a thread in General Discussion about yourself leaving an unknown clan..
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vVv isnt unknown, i rarely pay attention to NA scene but even i know what vVv is, they are not large in sc2 whatsoever but other games i presume they are. i thought they disbanded early last year tho
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Infamous BM player leaving a shady organisation that has multiple examples of mistreating players.
Yeah, pretty much it.
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Shortizz pretty much summed it all up 
i will never forget owning you on ladder and you were so enraged you started writing a lot of bm stuff about me including that you were famous and i was stream sniping you.
the funny thing about that was i had never heard of you before and was streaming too and me and the 10 people who were watching just fell of our chairs laughing...
you really acted like some kind of a starcraft superstar XD
And about the various builds that you use you are talking so much?you only 1 base marine/medivac/stim timing all-in every single game against protoss.and you've been using it for a year now?
im sorry but you just arent significant enough to post such threads... you are not a sc2 superstar,please come down to earth.
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On January 09 2013 20:34 bGr.MetHiX wrote:Shortizz pretty much summed it all up i will never forget owning you on ladder and you were so enraged you started writing a lot of bm stuff about me including that you were famous and i was stream sniping you. the funny thing about that was i had never heard of you before and was streaming too and me and the 10 people who were watching just fell of our chairs laughing... you really acted like some kind of a starcraft superstar XD And about the various builds that you use you are talking so much?you only 1 base marine/medivac/stim timing all-in every single game against protoss.and you've been using it for a year now? im sorry but you just arent significant enough to post such threads... you are not a sc2 superstar,please come down to earth.
I was thinking, isn't this advertising?
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well i dunno about advertising although it awfully resembles one but i definitely consider it inappropriate.
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On January 09 2013 19:24 Raven_zero300 wrote:
vVv isn't really well known, as i've never seen any of their players compete, much less place. I am sure you can find a new team to pick you up. (Shameless plug for FXOpen.NA, who could use players)
I've not heard of you until now, but if you are truely "unothadox", that means you innovate your own builds rather than follow like a mindless sheep, and I hope the best for you.
Yes, doing the currently strongest, most stable and optimal builds is 'being a mindless sheep' and not simply using logic.
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On January 09 2013 19:02 vVvRuFF wrote:
For all of you out there RuFF isn't gone, but just starting again! This entire year has been a big flunk of RL issues moving, relationship, and school. I have partnerships with Twitch.tv and Own3d.tv, and still plan to use my partners to stream content for all of you.
This is specifically against Twitch's partnership contract. You may want to revisit this...
Regardless, good luck finding a new team. I do find it weird that vVv released you as I literally know like 1-2 other people on their main roster, or whatever it is now... @_@;;
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Best of luck to you RuFF! If you're ever looking for a new team, hit us up!
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On January 09 2013 20:34 bGr.MetHiX wrote:
And about the various builds that you use you are talking so much?you only 1 base marine/medivac/stim timing all-in every single game against protoss.and you've been using it for a year now?
I've learned quite a few cool builds and ways to abuse the matchup watching Ruffs stream over the past year. Proxy inbase rax float/bunker in the corner tvp, 5 rax marine into reaper into stim timing or 2star tvz, etc. I don't think there are many streamers out there that go so far beyond the current meta (except maybe dragon troll games)
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All the times ive played/watched people play you, your "unorthodox builds" are just all-ins
The world is a better place without another bitbybit.Prime
All i wish for you that you change your playstyle in HoTS.
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Hopefully 2013 works out for you, good luck!
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Does TL really need threads about no-name players leaving a no-name team? I don't mean to be rude, but if this happened every time a player of your caliber left a team of vvv's caliber, this would be an extremely flooded forum. This isn't news by any means.
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On January 10 2013 01:08 SoOJuuu wrote:
All the times ive played/watched people play you, your "unorthodox builds" are just all-ins
The world is a better place without another bitbybit.Prime
All i wish for you that you change your playstyle in HoTS.
I think it takes a lot of creativity to think of his builds, it also makes the game interesting for both players and for most observers.
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On January 10 2013 01:04 kaboombaby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 20:34 bGr.MetHiX wrote:
And about the various builds that you use you are talking so much?you only 1 base marine/medivac/stim timing all-in every single game against protoss.and you've been using it for a year now? I've learned quite a few cool builds and ways to abuse the matchup watching Ruffs stream over the past year. Proxy inbase rax float/bunker in the corner tvp, 5 rax marine into reaper into stim timing or 2star tvz, etc. I don't think there are many streamers out there that go so far beyond the current meta (except maybe dragon troll games)
RuFF reminds me of Namhcir. They find the quickest and easiest way to win. And I respect them for that. This is what the Korean ladder is all about.
It is good to have people around like him, they make it interesting.
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On January 09 2013 19:46 X3GoldDot wrote:
vVv isnt unknown, i rarely pay attention to NA scene but even i know what vVv is, they are not large in sc2 whatsoever but other games i presume they are. i thought they disbanded early last year tho
We currently have roughly 30 players in our SC2 division including two aspire teams and are rebuilding our professional roster.
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On January 09 2013 19:33 OptimusYale wrote:
I heard OF vVv but assumed they died a long time ago 0.o Anyways gl on the future, sucks that you have to write your own 'I
'm leaving post'....I'm guessing vVv doesn't do well at promoting themselves?
Sadly, we were a little too trusting here.
Short answer: We decided to let Ruff go. When we informed of him of that decision, he requested that we do not make a post. We honored that request. It's unfortunate that he made this post without telling us that he was going to frame it as "he leftt."
We wish Ruff the best of luck in his future endeavors.
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On January 10 2013 01:18 robzgod wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 19:46 X3GoldDot wrote:
vVv isnt unknown, i rarely pay attention to NA scene but even i know what vVv is, they are not large in sc2 whatsoever but other games i presume they are. i thought they disbanded early last year tho We currently have roughly 30 players in our SC2 division including two aspire teams and are rebuilding our professional roster.
Basically, vVv is awesome, I've personally been taught by Makuly and I can attest to the fact that these guys know what they are doing, even if I'm a total chobo  .
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I used to be a part of vVv Gaming and recently wasn't upholding the new requirements due to the management change.
whatever they are, they're not changing much of vVv's image or notability.
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Awful BM player leaving an awful team really worth a post? vVv has seemingly never put in any effort whatsoever in getting themselves in the public eye. Best of luck I guess, but I really don't think this is at all relevant to anything, unless you're just advertising yourself so another team will come along and give you a shot.
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Good player although I don't think its the right time for any player to leave their team with all of the talent that is free right now it would be really hard to get a place in any team that isn't small. Ruff is good though I remember his style is pretty interesting and hopefully he can find a good team.
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On January 10 2013 01:29 LordJerith wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 19:33 OptimusYale wrote:
I heard OF vVv but assumed they died a long time ago 0.o Anyways gl on the future, sucks that you have to write your own 'I
'm leaving post'....I'm guessing vVv doesn't do well at promoting themselves? Sadly, we were a little too trusting here. Short answer: We decided to let Ruff go. When we informed of him of that decision, he requested that we do not make a post. We honored that request. It's unfortunate that he made this post without telling us that he was going to frame it as "he leftt." We wish Ruff the best of luck in his future endeavors.
I thought his post was well-written. It mentions that he didn't meet his requirements, hence the reason why he's not on vVv anymore.
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Who's currently left on the vVv roster?
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On January 10 2013 03:11 ROOTheognis wrote:
Who's currently left on the vVv roster?
like 30 people that they didnt name
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Quite a lot of hate on this thread. Honestly if I am going to watch a foreigner play then its going to be someone like Ruff who does he own builds and is actually quite entertaining rather than someone else copying a Koreans build and style but performing it half as well.
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Love to see people who get BMed on the ladder come onto the forums and try to get revenge lol. You know that's the only reason they're posting in this thread.
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everyone has this weird idea that only certain people bm
MOST of the people that play this game including pro players bm
there are different degrees of it, but almost everyone has said some shit
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On January 10 2013 01:08 SoOJuuu wrote:
All the times ive played/watched people play you, your "unorthodox builds" are just all-ins
The world is a better place without another bitbybit.Prime
All i wish for you that you change your playstyle in HoTS.
Yeah all players should switch their play style to passive macro games on huge maps in order to appeal to the subset of TL posters who prefer watching that style.
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Last time I heard from vVv was from their fighting game division, which they have also let go......
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On January 10 2013 03:12 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 03:11 ROOTheognis wrote:
Who's currently left on the vVv roster? like 30 people that they didnt name
Hasuu and NuBrGNi are our two sponsored players. The number 30 is including our two Academy teams (Aspire and Aspire Rising) community members and applicants.
Below is the vVv SC2 Division
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vVv SalvorMallow
vVv Ariel
vVv BabyToss
vVv Blamegame
vVv Einherjar
vVv Elevation
vVv Fearful
vVv GunHogz
vVv Hasuu
vVv HenZer
vVv Hiei
vVv InfestedOne
vVv Magnet
vVv Nazgul
vVv NuBrGNi
vVv Oakwarrior
vVv PoSeR
vVv Razor
vVv Robo Gunner
vVv SonTran
vVv Squall
vVv Virulent
vVv Wakai
vVv Zephyrus
As for your previous post about our new expectations, you can read them here if you'd like.
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On January 10 2013 03:50 achan1058 wrote:
Last time I heard from vVv was from their fighting game division, which they have also let go......
Yeah, I actually rooted for vVv's fighting division. Their SC2 division has always been lacking from what I can remember.
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On January 10 2013 03:20 Swift118 wrote:
Quite a lot of hate on this thread. Honestly if I am going to watch a foreigner play then its going to be someone like Ruff who does he own builds and is actually quite entertaining rather than someone else copying a Koreans build and style but performing it half as well.
This is one thing I don't understand. As a player who has played against RuFF in GM League, I can tell you his builds are not unique at all. Its generic shit that he does every game to try to win the game early, because he cant macro for his life. Every time I saw RuFF in the loading screen, I would know I had to play safe and defensive every game, and it works out every time because he never plays a straight up macro game, and always tries to find ways to severely cripple an enemy to the point where his shitty macro can pull him for the victory. Granted, I haven't played SC2 for a year now and I don't know if his playstyle has changed or not, but this was what it was like to play against RuFF.
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On January 10 2013 03:57 climax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 03:50 achan1058 wrote:
Last time I heard from vVv was from their fighting game division, which they have also let go...... Yeah, I actually rooted for vVv's fighting division. Their SC2 division has always been lacking from what I can remember.
We don't find much value in buying out top-talent. In SC2 we tend to focus more on developing players who are passionate about improving. For Example, Glon going to Bronze to Grandmaster and his runs at MLG, RuFF, Toxsik, daisuki, etc
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On January 10 2013 01:29 LordJerith wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 19:33 OptimusYale wrote:
I heard OF vVv but assumed they died a long time ago 0.o Anyways gl on the future, sucks that you have to write your own 'I
'm leaving post'....I'm guessing vVv doesn't do well at promoting themselves? Sadly, we were a little too trusting here. Short answer: We decided to let Ruff go. When we informed of him of that decision, he requested that we do not make a post. We honored that request. It's unfortunate that he made this post without telling us that he was going to frame it as "he leftt." We wish Ruff the best of luck in his future endeavors.
Sorry everyone, I should of made it a bit clearer when I posted. Leaves can be seen as removed and I am not trying to frame it as "I left". I am sure you understand that internet is one of the biggest forms of miscommunication out there. This post is simply here to inform people that I am still going to keep going in the StarCraft Community. Not as a form to banter and argue with vVv. To be removed because I am not posting in a forum to satisfy players in lower leagues is not how I want to approach this game. I want to be competetive and practice with known players like back in the day while streaming and doing tournaments. I posted on a good note, I would hope it stays that way.
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On January 10 2013 04:50 vVvRuFF wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 01:29 LordJerith wrote:On January 09 2013 19:33 OptimusYale wrote:
I heard OF vVv but assumed they died a long time ago 0.o Anyways gl on the future, sucks that you have to write your own 'I
'm leaving post'....I'm guessing vVv doesn't do well at promoting themselves? Sadly, we were a little too trusting here. Short answer: We decided to let Ruff go. When we informed of him of that decision, he requested that we do not make a post. We honored that request. It's unfortunate that he made this post without telling us that he was going to frame it as "he leftt." We wish Ruff the best of luck in his future endeavors. Sorry everyone, I should of made it a bit clearer when I posted. Leaves can be seen as removed and I am not trying to frame it as "I left". I am sure you understand that internet is one of the biggest forms of miscommunication out there. This post is simply here to inform people that I am still going to keep going in the StarCraft Community. Not as a form to banter and argue with vVv. To be removed because I am not posting in a forum to satisfy players in lower leagues is not how I want to approach this game. I want to be competetive and practice with known players like back in the day while streaming and doing tournaments. I posted on a good note, I would hope it stays that way.
This much I buy. vVv has always had absurdly dumb unrelated requirements of their players.
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A lot of hate in this thread, but it has to be said that watching RuFF play is quite entertaining.
This is one thing I don't understand. As a player who has played against RuFF in GM League, I can tell you his builds are not unique at all. Its generic shit that he does every game to try to win the game early, because he cant macro for his life. Every time I saw RuFF in the loading screen, I would know I had to play safe and defensive every game, and it works out every time because he never plays a straight up macro game, and always tries to find ways to severely cripple an enemy to the point where his shitty macro can pull him for the victory. Granted, I haven't played SC2 for a year now and I don't know if his playstyle has changed or not, but this was what it was like to play against RuFF.
Maybe not unique, maybe not elegant, but definitely fun to watch.
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On January 10 2013 04:02 birdkicker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 03:20 Swift118 wrote:
Quite a lot of hate on this thread. Honestly if I am going to watch a foreigner play then its going to be someone like Ruff who does he own builds and is actually quite entertaining rather than someone else copying a Koreans build and style but performing it half as well. This is one thing I don't understand. As a player who has played against RuFF in GM League, I can tell you his builds are not unique at all. Its generic shit that he does every game to try to win the game early, because he cant macro for his life. Every time I saw RuFF in the loading screen, I would know I had to play safe and defensive every game, and it works out every time because he never plays a straight up macro game, and always tries to find ways to severely cripple an enemy to the point where his shitty macro can pull him for the victory. Granted, I haven't played SC2 for a year now and I don't know if his playstyle has changed or not, but this was what it was like to play against RuFF.
He's the same way. It's what I did to whenever I saw ruff on the screen. Play extremely safe where if you played vs a macro oriented terran you would be behind, but you know it doesn't matter you just have to survive his early cheese then proceed to win from there ^_^.
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On January 10 2013 04:50 vVvRuFF wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 01:29 LordJerith wrote:On January 09 2013 19:33 OptimusYale wrote:
I heard OF vVv but assumed they died a long time ago 0.o Anyways gl on the future, sucks that you have to write your own 'I
'm leaving post'....I'm guessing vVv doesn't do well at promoting themselves? Sadly, we were a little too trusting here. Short answer: We decided to let Ruff go. When we informed of him of that decision, he requested that we do not make a post. We honored that request. It's unfortunate that he made this post without telling us that he was going to frame it as "he leftt." We wish Ruff the best of luck in his future endeavors. Sorry everyone, I should of made it a bit clearer when I posted. Leaves can be seen as removed and I am not trying to frame it as "I left". I am sure you understand that internet is one of the biggest forms of miscommunication out there. This post is simply here to inform people that I am still going to keep going in the StarCraft Community. Not as a form to banter and argue with vVv. To be removed because I am not posting in a forum to satisfy players in lower leagues is not how I want to approach this game. I want to be competetive and practice with known players like back in the day while streaming and doing tournaments. I posted on a good note, I would hope it stays that way.
I wish you the best.
They wanted you to post in the vVv forums? Then kicked you for not doing so? I will not comment... but I am both surprised and extremely disappointed in their approach. You/Hasuu have sacrificed a lot to stay on that team through all of the shit that has happened in the past 8 months - would have hoped that you would at least have been able to benefit from the stability now.
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On January 10 2013 05:18 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 04:02 birdkicker wrote:On January 10 2013 03:20 Swift118 wrote:
Quite a lot of hate on this thread. Honestly if I am going to watch a foreigner play then its going to be someone like Ruff who does he own builds and is actually quite entertaining rather than someone else copying a Koreans build and style but performing it half as well. This is one thing I don't understand. As a player who has played against RuFF in GM League, I can tell you his builds are not unique at all. Its generic shit that he does every game to try to win the game early, because he cant macro for his life. Every time I saw RuFF in the loading screen, I would know I had to play safe and defensive every game, and it works out every time because he never plays a straight up macro game, and always tries to find ways to severely cripple an enemy to the point where his shitty macro can pull him for the victory. Granted, I haven't played SC2 for a year now and I don't know if his playstyle has changed or not, but this was what it was like to play against RuFF. He's the same way. It's what I did to whenever I saw ruff on the screen. Play extremely safe where if you played vs a macro oriented terran you would be behind, but you know it doesn't matter you just have to survive his early cheese then proceed to win from there ^_^.
Ruff, if you macro better, you can be pretty good.
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I remember playing you a ton of games on ladder i think ;] gl in the future!
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On January 10 2013 05:03 Zennith wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 04:50 vVvRuFF wrote:On January 10 2013 01:29 LordJerith wrote:On January 09 2013 19:33 OptimusYale wrote:
I heard OF vVv but assumed they died a long time ago 0.o Anyways gl on the future, sucks that you have to write your own 'I
'm leaving post'....I'm guessing vVv doesn't do well at promoting themselves? Sadly, we were a little too trusting here. Short answer: We decided to let Ruff go. When we informed of him of that decision, he requested that we do not make a post. We honored that request. It's unfortunate that he made this post without telling us that he was going to frame it as "he leftt." We wish Ruff the best of luck in his future endeavors. Sorry everyone, I should of made it a bit clearer when I posted. Leaves can be seen as removed and I am not trying to frame it as "I left". I am sure you understand that internet is one of the biggest forms of miscommunication out there. This post is simply here to inform people that I am still going to keep going in the StarCraft Community. Not as a form to banter and argue with vVv. To be removed because I am not posting in a forum to satisfy players in lower leagues is not how I want to approach this game. I want to be competetive and practice with known players like back in the day while streaming and doing tournaments. I posted on a good note, I would hope it stays that way. This much I buy. vVv has always had absurdly dumb unrelated requirements of their players.
Below is a brief outline of our new expectations. If you think any of these are 'absurdly dumb' or unrelated then I don't know what else to say.
+ Show Spoiler +
You actively engage your fan-base on multiple mediums, including Twitter and Facebook, live streaming, and written and video content
You actively pursue promotion of your organization, sponsors and brand, both in-game and out
You are consistently in communication with your organization and management in terms of team development and brand promotion
You follow a consistent practice schedule (which includes strategy discussion and game play review as well as in-game practice)
At events you represent and support your organization 100% of the time (including networking with other teams, wearing team and sponsored gear, and utilizing social media)
At events you work with staff and management to create promotional media for the organization (including photos, video, interviews, etc)
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On January 10 2013 05:32 PiQLiQ wrote:
I remember playing you a ton of games on ladder i think ;] gl in the future!
Damn! Didn't know you were still around, you playing still? :p
As far as macro goes I do agree I lack there a bit, but I have been doing some decent macro play I got some nice 2 base timings that take a 3rd and 4th behind them. Dunno, I am just itchy to constantly be fighting on the map. Don't like to idle in the base a lot, prefer that agression. I've found reaper expands to be fun though because you are constantly controlling the reapers.
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lol wow @ this thread, people need to step back.
I missed you and your builds ruff.
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vVv is huge in LoL, not like LgN huge or TSM huge.
But they've got amazing LoL players.
As for SC2, I've tried to get onto the team but got denied due to age.
vVv did MLG(s) but then stopped suddenly.
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On January 09 2013 19:24 Raven_zero300 wrote:
vVv isn't really well known, as i've never seen any of their players compete, much less place. I am sure you can find a new team to pick you up. (Shameless plug for FXOpen.NA, who could use players)
I've not heard of you until now, but if you are truely "unothadox", that means you innovate your own builds rather than follow like a mindless sheep, and I hope the best for you.
After release vVv streams were doing exceedingly well, they are still a good team, Best of luck, I used to watch you during physics at University.
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On January 10 2013 05:37 vVvRuFF wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 05:32 PiQLiQ wrote:
I remember playing you a ton of games on ladder i think ;] gl in the future! Damn! Didn't know you were still around, you playing still? :p As far as macro goes I do agree I lack there a bit, but I have been doing some decent macro play I got some nice 2 base timings that take a 3rd and 4th behind them. Dunno, I am just itchy to constantly be fighting on the map. Don't like to idle in the base a lot, prefer that agression. I've found reaper expands to be fun though because you are constantly controlling the reapers.
I totally agree. playing defensive macro games are rather dull to watch. It's much more entertaining with constant contact between the two players. Personally I hate watching 30+ min games where nobody attacks at all.
People only seem to think only macro games = skill, but timing pushes are an art as well. I say keep up the good work RuFF!
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Good riddance. If anyone is looking for the definition of a one trick pony, then this is it.
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Good player, cool and innovative playstyle, I will continue to watch your stream. thanks ruff! Should also be featured based on the entertainment level 
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On January 10 2013 05:37 vVvRuFF wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 05:32 PiQLiQ wrote:
I remember playing you a ton of games on ladder i think ;] gl in the future! Damn! Didn't know you were still around, you playing still? :p As far as macro goes I do agree I lack there a bit, but I have been doing some decent macro play I got some nice 2 base timings that take a 3rd and 4th behind them. Dunno, I am just itchy to constantly be fighting on the map. Don't like to idle in the base a lot, prefer that agression. I've found reaper expands to be fun though because you are constantly controlling the reapers.
Yeah i still play some on korea server. I lost interest when my goal was achieved on every server so ;] Playing LoL actively atm and sc2 occasionally.
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On January 10 2013 05:35 robzgod wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 05:03 Zennith wrote:On January 10 2013 04:50 vVvRuFF wrote:On January 10 2013 01:29 LordJerith wrote:On January 09 2013 19:33 OptimusYale wrote:
I heard OF vVv but assumed they died a long time ago 0.o Anyways gl on the future, sucks that you have to write your own 'I
'm leaving post'....I'm guessing vVv doesn't do well at promoting themselves? Sadly, we were a little too trusting here. Short answer: We decided to let Ruff go. When we informed of him of that decision, he requested that we do not make a post. We honored that request. It's unfortunate that he made this post without telling us that he was going to frame it as "he leftt." We wish Ruff the best of luck in his future endeavors. Sorry everyone, I should of made it a bit clearer when I posted. Leaves can be seen as removed and I am not trying to frame it as "I left". I am sure you understand that internet is one of the biggest forms of miscommunication out there. This post is simply here to inform people that I am still going to keep going in the StarCraft Community. Not as a form to banter and argue with vVv. To be removed because I am not posting in a forum to satisfy players in lower leagues is not how I want to approach this game. I want to be competetive and practice with known players like back in the day while streaming and doing tournaments. I posted on a good note, I would hope it stays that way. This much I buy. vVv has always had absurdly dumb unrelated requirements of their players. Below is a brief outline of our new expectations. If you think any of these are 'absurdly dumb' or unrelated then I don't know what else to say. + Show Spoiler +
You actively engage your fan-base on multiple mediums, including Twitter and Facebook, live streaming, and written and video content
You actively pursue promotion of your organization, sponsors and brand, both in-game and out
You are consistently in communication with your organization and management in terms of team development and brand promotion
You follow a consistent practice schedule (which includes strategy discussion and game play review as well as in-game practice)
At events you represent and support your organization 100% of the time (including networking with other teams, wearing team and sponsored gear, and utilizing social media)
At events you work with staff and management to create promotional media for the organization (including photos, video, interviews, etc)
You know what, that all sounds reasonable if you're compensating someone well (although half of those are so vague that they could include getting in trouble for not posting on the community forums enough - which for a 'pro' player would absolutely be an absurd requirement). Are those players not being compensated also required to abide by these exact rules?
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I feel like the team is the one who makes the threads about players leaving first of all, and secondly this is a pretty horrible excuse for indirectly advertising on TL to try to get more followers on your stream and to make money from coaching.
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Is vVv that team that that cheater, what was he called... Spades belonged to?
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GL Ruff, I've watched the stream a few times, always entertaining. I never saw BM, but maybe it's there. Hopefully you can improve the stream quality--that was the thing that turned me off, but I saw some cool stuff using reapers in the playhems.
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Gl in the future, ReaperKingPrime.
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On January 10 2013 07:04 derpface wrote:
Is vVv that team that that cheater, what was he called... Spades belonged to?
No, that was Western Wolves, and that doesn't even have to do with the team at all, just Spades.
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Don't know very much about you. But I wish you the best, even though you speak of yourself in third person lol.
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vVv lets everybody go, what else is new? Remember when they canned the whole team except for Titan? I have very little respect for this team.
RuFF fighting! Love your strategies. More players should think for themselves.
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On January 10 2013 07:48 IMoperator wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 07:04 derpface wrote:
Is vVv that team that that cheater, what was he called... Spades belonged to? No, that was Western Wolves, and that doesn't even have to do with the team at all, just Spades.
Wasn't he on VT at some point?
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On January 10 2013 06:56 GGzerG wrote:
I feel like the team is the one who makes the threads about players leaving first of all, and secondly this is a pretty horrible excuse for indirectly advertising on TL to try to get more followers on your stream and to make money from coaching.
Yea, fuck this guy, wanting fans and all. He should simultaneously suck at BW, WoL, and HotS like some other players I can think of.
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On January 10 2013 08:13 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 07:48 IMoperator wrote:On January 10 2013 07:04 derpface wrote:
Is vVv that team that that cheater, what was he called... Spades belonged to? No, that was Western Wolves, and that doesn't even have to do with the team at all, just Spades. Wasn't he on VT at some point?
Yeah, Spades has a pretty long history of teams and several smurfs he plays a fair bit on.
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On January 10 2013 07:58 JacobShock wrote:
Don't know very much about you. But I wish you the best, even though you speak of yourself in third person lol.
Yeah, I thought that was weird too.
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On January 09 2013 20:55 gillon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 19:24 Raven_zero300 wrote:
vVv isn't really well known, as i've never seen any of their players compete, much less place. I am sure you can find a new team to pick you up. (Shameless plug for FXOpen.NA, who could use players)
I've not heard of you until now, but if you are truely "unothadox", that means you innovate your own builds rather than follow like a mindless sheep, and I hope the best for you. Yes, doing the currently strongest, most stable and optimal builds is 'being a mindless sheep' and not simply using logic.
Yea I guess ST_Life has shit logic for using 14 pool in a day and age when 15h was considered optimal. Threads like these just show how much like a highschool TL can be. If you don't like the thread, then don't post. Easy as that, you don't bump the thread with your snide comments and remarks.
I don't watch this guys stream much but I have tuned in periodically just to see what kind of whacky builds he plays. True he hasn't been a top caliber player but he reached a pretty high rank in GM while doing exclusively original builds and tactics. Anyone who is decent at this game should have some appreciation for the difficulty in that instead of trying to act like you're actually better than him (which you arent). GL Ruff
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On January 10 2013 06:49 Zennith wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 05:35 robzgod wrote:On January 10 2013 05:03 Zennith wrote:On January 10 2013 04:50 vVvRuFF wrote:On January 10 2013 01:29 LordJerith wrote:On January 09 2013 19:33 OptimusYale wrote:
I heard OF vVv but assumed they died a long time ago 0.o Anyways gl on the future, sucks that you have to write your own 'I
'm leaving post'....I'm guessing vVv doesn't do well at promoting themselves? Sadly, we were a little too trusting here. Short answer: We decided to let Ruff go. When we informed of him of that decision, he requested that we do not make a post. We honored that request. It's unfortunate that he made this post without telling us that he was going to frame it as "he leftt." We wish Ruff the best of luck in his future endeavors. Sorry everyone, I should of made it a bit clearer when I posted. Leaves can be seen as removed and I am not trying to frame it as "I left". I am sure you understand that internet is one of the biggest forms of miscommunication out there. This post is simply here to inform people that I am still going to keep going in the StarCraft Community. Not as a form to banter and argue with vVv. To be removed because I am not posting in a forum to satisfy players in lower leagues is not how I want to approach this game. I want to be competetive and practice with known players like back in the day while streaming and doing tournaments. I posted on a good note, I would hope it stays that way. This much I buy. vVv has always had absurdly dumb unrelated requirements of their players. Below is a brief outline of our new expectations. If you think any of these are 'absurdly dumb' or unrelated then I don't know what else to say. + Show Spoiler +
You actively engage your fan-base on multiple mediums, including Twitter and Facebook, live streaming, and written and video content
You actively pursue promotion of your organization, sponsors and brand, both in-game and out
You are consistently in communication with your organization and management in terms of team development and brand promotion
You follow a consistent practice schedule (which includes strategy discussion and game play review as well as in-game practice)
At events you represent and support your organization 100% of the time (including networking with other teams, wearing team and sponsored gear, and utilizing social media)
At events you work with staff and management to create promotional media for the organization (including photos, video, interviews, etc)
You know what, that all sounds reasonable if you're compensating someone well (although half of those are so vague that they could include getting in trouble for not posting on the community forums enough - which for a 'pro' player would absolutely be an absurd requirement). Are those players not being compensated also required to abide by these exact rules?
They get their hotel paid for. That's good at least. But yeah for what they require from their players they give the players literally almost nothing while making them do a ton to get exposure. This is why they are irrelevant to the sc2 scene.
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On January 10 2013 06:39 Regorr wrote:
so much haters holy shit
They're the type of people that lose to an unconventional strategy and type "ur shit try and win a real game" and leave.
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On January 10 2013 08:20 pigmanbear wrote:They're the type of people that lose to an unconventional strategy and type "ur shit try and win a real game" and leave.
What are you talking about?
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On January 10 2013 09:58 PiQLiQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 08:20 pigmanbear wrote:On January 10 2013 06:39 Regorr wrote:
so much haters holy shit They're the type of people that lose to an unconventional strategy and type "ur shit try and win a real game" and leave. What are you talking about?
The people ragging on RuFF calling him too aggressive, can't macro, etc. They think they know the One True Way to play SC ... people like that are bloody annoying!
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Love me some Ruff
Best of Luck to you buddy!
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On January 10 2013 10:23 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 09:58 PiQLiQ wrote:On January 10 2013 08:20 pigmanbear wrote:On January 10 2013 06:39 Regorr wrote:
so much haters holy shit They're the type of people that lose to an unconventional strategy and type "ur shit try and win a real game" and leave. What are you talking about? The people ragging on RuFF calling him too aggressive, can't macro, etc. They think they know the One True Way to play SC ... people like that are bloody annoying!
I learned along time ago that its no use talking or discussing stuff with people that cant play the game they play. That's why i rarely talk in my games mostly not to get involved in something that just wastes my time. So what im saying is that you should just ignore the people that has no clue what they are talking about.
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honestly his dream is like watching many many comedians. many hearts to you sir!
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good luck ruff i enjoy your stream and i like your type of player!
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good luck in the future ruff.
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On January 10 2013 08:18 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 06:49 Zennith wrote:On January 10 2013 05:35 robzgod wrote:On January 10 2013 05:03 Zennith wrote:On January 10 2013 04:50 vVvRuFF wrote:On January 10 2013 01:29 LordJerith wrote:On January 09 2013 19:33 OptimusYale wrote:
I heard OF vVv but assumed they died a long time ago 0.o Anyways gl on the future, sucks that you have to write your own 'I
'm leaving post'....I'm guessing vVv doesn't do well at promoting themselves? Sadly, we were a little too trusting here. Short answer: We decided to let Ruff go. When we informed of him of that decision, he requested that we do not make a post. We honored that request. It's unfortunate that he made this post without telling us that he was going to frame it as "he leftt." We wish Ruff the best of luck in his future endeavors. Sorry everyone, I should of made it a bit clearer when I posted. Leaves can be seen as removed and I am not trying to frame it as "I left". I am sure you understand that internet is one of the biggest forms of miscommunication out there. This post is simply here to inform people that I am still going to keep going in the StarCraft Community. Not as a form to banter and argue with vVv. To be removed because I am not posting in a forum to satisfy players in lower leagues is not how I want to approach this game. I want to be competetive and practice with known players like back in the day while streaming and doing tournaments. I posted on a good note, I would hope it stays that way. This much I buy. vVv has always had absurdly dumb unrelated requirements of their players. Below is a brief outline of our new expectations. If you think any of these are 'absurdly dumb' or unrelated then I don't know what else to say. + Show Spoiler +
You actively engage your fan-base on multiple mediums, including Twitter and Facebook, live streaming, and written and video content
You actively pursue promotion of your organization, sponsors and brand, both in-game and out
You are consistently in communication with your organization and management in terms of team development and brand promotion
You follow a consistent practice schedule (which includes strategy discussion and game play review as well as in-game practice)
At events you represent and support your organization 100% of the time (including networking with other teams, wearing team and sponsored gear, and utilizing social media)
At events you work with staff and management to create promotional media for the organization (including photos, video, interviews, etc)
You know what, that all sounds reasonable if you're compensating someone well (although half of those are so vague that they could include getting in trouble for not posting on the community forums enough - which for a 'pro' player would absolutely be an absurd requirement). Are those players not being compensated also required to abide by these exact rules? They get their hotel paid for. That's good at least. But yeah for what they require from their players they give the players literally almost nothing while making them do a ton to get exposure. This is why they are irrelevant to the sc2 scene.
Hey blade! Thanks for your opinion
Where we really make things count is with our community and Aspire teams these days. Aspire is a great place for serious players to improve together and our community has a number of streamers and casters who are a great resource for anyone looking to improve in those areas.
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On January 10 2013 11:10 SugarBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 08:18 blade55555 wrote:On January 10 2013 06:49 Zennith wrote:On January 10 2013 05:35 robzgod wrote:On January 10 2013 05:03 Zennith wrote:On January 10 2013 04:50 vVvRuFF wrote:On January 10 2013 01:29 LordJerith wrote:On January 09 2013 19:33 OptimusYale wrote:
I heard OF vVv but assumed they died a long time ago 0.o Anyways gl on the future, sucks that you have to write your own 'I
'm leaving post'....I'm guessing vVv doesn't do well at promoting themselves? Sadly, we were a little too trusting here. Short answer: We decided to let Ruff go. When we informed of him of that decision, he requested that we do not make a post. We honored that request. It's unfortunate that he made this post without telling us that he was going to frame it as "he leftt." We wish Ruff the best of luck in his future endeavors. Sorry everyone, I should of made it a bit clearer when I posted. Leaves can be seen as removed and I am not trying to frame it as "I left". I am sure you understand that internet is one of the biggest forms of miscommunication out there. This post is simply here to inform people that I am still going to keep going in the StarCraft Community. Not as a form to banter and argue with vVv. To be removed because I am not posting in a forum to satisfy players in lower leagues is not how I want to approach this game. I want to be competetive and practice with known players like back in the day while streaming and doing tournaments. I posted on a good note, I would hope it stays that way. This much I buy. vVv has always had absurdly dumb unrelated requirements of their players. Below is a brief outline of our new expectations. If you think any of these are 'absurdly dumb' or unrelated then I don't know what else to say. + Show Spoiler +
You actively engage your fan-base on multiple mediums, including Twitter and Facebook, live streaming, and written and video content
You actively pursue promotion of your organization, sponsors and brand, both in-game and out
You are consistently in communication with your organization and management in terms of team development and brand promotion
You follow a consistent practice schedule (which includes strategy discussion and game play review as well as in-game practice)
At events you represent and support your organization 100% of the time (including networking with other teams, wearing team and sponsored gear, and utilizing social media)
At events you work with staff and management to create promotional media for the organization (including photos, video, interviews, etc)
You know what, that all sounds reasonable if you're compensating someone well (although half of those are so vague that they could include getting in trouble for not posting on the community forums enough - which for a 'pro' player would absolutely be an absurd requirement). Are those players not being compensated also required to abide by these exact rules? They get their hotel paid for. That's good at least. But yeah for what they require from their players they give the players literally almost nothing while making them do a ton to get exposure. This is why they are irrelevant to the sc2 scene. Hey blade! Thanks for your opinion Where we really make things count is with our community and Aspire teams these days. Aspire is a great place for serious players to improve together and our community has a number of streamers and casters who are a great resource for anyone looking to improve in those areas.
Right, and that's all well and good, but the point is, given the guidelines that were mentioned above, it's a bit, well, odd to ask that much of players and to give them so little in return.
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On January 10 2013 10:45 PiQLiQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 10:23 pigmanbear wrote:On January 10 2013 09:58 PiQLiQ wrote:On January 10 2013 08:20 pigmanbear wrote:On January 10 2013 06:39 Regorr wrote:
so much haters holy shit They're the type of people that lose to an unconventional strategy and type "ur shit try and win a real game" and leave. What are you talking about? The people ragging on RuFF calling him too aggressive, can't macro, etc. They think they know the One True Way to play SC ... people like that are bloody annoying! I learned along time ago that its no use talking or discussing stuff with people that cant play the game they play. That's why i rarely talk in my games mostly not to get involved in something that just wastes my time. So what im saying is that you should just ignore the people that has no clue what they are talking about.
True that. Have a lot of respect for you as a player by the way, never do see you on peoples' streams anymore
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On January 10 2013 11:57 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 10:45 PiQLiQ wrote:On January 10 2013 10:23 pigmanbear wrote:On January 10 2013 09:58 PiQLiQ wrote:On January 10 2013 08:20 pigmanbear wrote:On January 10 2013 06:39 Regorr wrote:
so much haters holy shit They're the type of people that lose to an unconventional strategy and type "ur shit try and win a real game" and leave. What are you talking about? The people ragging on RuFF calling him too aggressive, can't macro, etc. They think they know the One True Way to play SC ... people like that are bloody annoying! I learned along time ago that its no use talking or discussing stuff with people that cant play the game they play. That's why i rarely talk in my games mostly not to get involved in something that just wastes my time. So what im saying is that you should just ignore the people that has no clue what they are talking about. True that. Have a lot of respect for you as a player by the way, never do see you on peoples' streams anymore
Thanks Well mostly because i play on korean server under smurf nicknames for a long while now i guess ;]
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Good Luck buddy
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I destroyed you multiple times on ladder and you BMd everytime. I don't know why you think anyone cares about this... Hardly worth a thread.
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