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On December 20 2012 12:21 Fission wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 12:12 Zaqwe wrote:On December 20 2012 11:14 Uncreative_Troll wrote:I am unaware of any female who has taken a single professional match off a male in SC2. Eve would indeed be the first to my knowledge, if she ever accomplishes that. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/FloFlo gained some attention again when she took a game off iNcontroL in the fourth round of the losers' bracket of MLG Fall 2012, although she ultimately lost 2-1 and got knocked out of the tournament. Not quite what I was hoping for, no offense to incontrol. Technicalities being what they are, I am proven wrong. Perhaps Eve could make a splash by being the first female to win a broadcast game (I assume flo vs incontrol wouldn't have been broadcast). On December 20 2012 11:23 Mortal wrote:On December 20 2012 10:59 Zaqwe wrote:On December 20 2012 10:52 decado90 wrote:On December 20 2012 10:50 Zaqwe wrote:On December 20 2012 10:37 HappyTimePANDA wrote:
Nice to say she'll be as good as the male players but everyone knows she is there for eye candy. Which I'm fine with but I think we all know we will never see her win a major tounament. Best of luck to her though. She doesn't need to win a tournament to be competitive. If she can even get enough skill to take a game off a top male progamer it will be a huge breakthrough for female progamers in sc2. I remember seeing Tossgirl win a match once in BW. It would be nice to see a female win even once in sc2. Her game against Sniper was by far the worst display of skill in GSL history and was insulting to the viewers tbh. I thought it was cute. But maybe she is better with protoss. I don't expec AZUBU to field her at all if she isn't, but if she can even get good enough to snipe one match for them in GSTL it would be impressive. On December 20 2012 10:54 Fission wrote:On December 20 2012 10:50 Zaqwe wrote:On December 20 2012 10:37 HappyTimePANDA wrote:
Nice to say she'll be as good as the male players but everyone knows she is there for eye candy. Which I'm fine with but I think we all know we will never see her win a major tounament. Best of luck to her though. She doesn't need to win a tournament to be competitive. If she can even get enough skill to take a game off a top male progamer it will be a huge breakthrough for female progamers in sc2. I remember seeing Tossgirl win a match once in BW. It would be nice to see a female win even once in sc2. Scarlett already owns top male progamers, it's not like Eve would be the first. You will be disappointed to learn that Scarlett is transgender (biologically male). I am unaware of any female who has taken a single professional match off a male in SC2. Eve would indeed be the first to my knowledge, if she ever accomplishes that. The level of density in your post is staggering. It wasn't cute, it was a waste of time. And claiming Scarlett is "technically" male is a fucking joke. She's easily the best female player I can think of off hand (significantly above Flo, Eve, Aphro). Edit: Sorry for one post after another; just noticed this after post and formatting meh. I am not sure why you put "technically" in quotes. I never used that word. Scarlett is a biologically male transgender. Scarlett is very good, but is not biologically female. Let's not diminish any future achievements from women by comparing them to someone who is biologically/genetically male. It would be huge if Eve can really compete in leagues like GSTL and win games for her team. Scarlett would also win an arm wrestling match against Eve, but it would be no indication that Eve is weak by female standards. Take your transphobia and ignorance elsewhere, please.
Oh quiet down with that PC bullshit.. Scarlett's a fantastic SC2 player and seems like a great person to be around. Pointing out that she was once a man is NOT INCORRECT. Her birth certificate presumably has "M" beside the gender designation.
Its one thing to be accepting of someone who is transexual and wants to be recognized as a woman, its a completely different story to ignore the facts in the name of being politically correct.
I'm sorry.. but stuff like this pisses me off.
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why in all news shes listet as protoss now ? O_o
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On December 20 2012 16:44 CoR wrote:
why in all news shes listet as protoss now ? O_o
She switched to protoss a while ago.
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Aren't these threads supposed to be moderated? Is the OP identifying coverage of Eve's recruitment to Azubu or am I blind? Do us all a favor. Take your ignorance / jealousy for Scarlett's success as a female pro gamer and bury it along with yourself in a deep hole somewhere. I know commenting on the actual topic of the thread is such a daunting task but maybe with a little effort... miracles can happen. Also, if http://i.imgur.com/mpGVG.png is real and not fabricated, it looks like she has some growing up to do.
On topic it's cool to see Azubu grow and develop this full-fledged SC2 team. Violet has had an amazing 2012 and it will be pretty exciting to see joined by some other great names in the scene. GL Azubu!
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On December 20 2012 16:12 BrassMonkey27 wrote:
Oh quiet down with that PC bullshit.. Scarlett's a fantastic SC2 player and seems like a great person to be around. Pointing out that she was once a man is NOT INCORRECT. Her birth certificate presumably has "M" beside the gender designation.
Its one thing to be accepting of someone who is transexual and wants to be recognized as a woman, its a completely different story to ignore the facts in the name of being politically correct.
I'm sorry.. but stuff like this pisses me off.
Pretty sure that it would say that she's Female on her birth certificate. Either way, Scarlett's birth gender is completely irrelevant to both the thread and the point you're making. Not to suggest that you're an ignorant person or anything of that sort, but I think it would do you good to meet/talk with some transgender people about the issue, because it seems quite clear to me that you're lacking perspective and a proper appreciation/understanding of it.
On December 20 2012 16:49 Relentless` wrote:Also, if http://i.imgur.com/mpGVG.png is real and not fabricated, it looks like she has some growing up to do.
I don't know if that's entirely the case, that line of thinkning towards homosexuals/transgender individuals is still pretty mainstream in Korea, to my knowledge.
All that said, if she's come all the way from Gold to Masters then it at least shows she's dedicated to improving. GL to her and AZUBU!
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incoming eve x violet? :D good luck eve! tear it up and join scarlett : )
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On December 20 2012 13:11 Dodgin wrote:
If she is still sticking with the game at this point when popularity is declining and there are no easy money opportunities for being a cheerleader I think It's safe to say she's serious about trying to be competitive. I think It's really silly that Naniwa can't get on a team and Eve who has no success has found one though. Either way good luck and I hope Azubu will be successful in GSTL.
Unless it turns out they're paying her a ton of money to not be very good and sit on the bench for GSTL and never play, then that would be silly and I take it back.
Naniwa has stated that he is in talk with several teams both koreans and foreigners, he just hasn't decided, stop claiming false facts, he could get a team immedietely but choosing the right one is kinda important ^^
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Wait she re rolled? Thought she was a terran xD
Grats to both parties
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On December 20 2012 16:12 BrassMonkey27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 12:21 Fission wrote:On December 20 2012 12:12 Zaqwe wrote:On December 20 2012 11:14 Uncreative_Troll wrote:I am unaware of any female who has taken a single professional match off a male in SC2. Eve would indeed be the first to my knowledge, if she ever accomplishes that. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/FloFlo gained some attention again when she took a game off iNcontroL in the fourth round of the losers' bracket of MLG Fall 2012, although she ultimately lost 2-1 and got knocked out of the tournament. Not quite what I was hoping for, no offense to incontrol. Technicalities being what they are, I am proven wrong. Perhaps Eve could make a splash by being the first female to win a broadcast game (I assume flo vs incontrol wouldn't have been broadcast). On December 20 2012 11:23 Mortal wrote:On December 20 2012 10:59 Zaqwe wrote:On December 20 2012 10:52 decado90 wrote:On December 20 2012 10:50 Zaqwe wrote:On December 20 2012 10:37 HappyTimePANDA wrote:
Nice to say she'll be as good as the male players but everyone knows she is there for eye candy. Which I'm fine with but I think we all know we will never see her win a major tounament. Best of luck to her though. She doesn't need to win a tournament to be competitive. If she can even get enough skill to take a game off a top male progamer it will be a huge breakthrough for female progamers in sc2. I remember seeing Tossgirl win a match once in BW. It would be nice to see a female win even once in sc2. Her game against Sniper was by far the worst display of skill in GSL history and was insulting to the viewers tbh. I thought it was cute. But maybe she is better with protoss. I don't expec AZUBU to field her at all if she isn't, but if she can even get good enough to snipe one match for them in GSTL it would be impressive. On December 20 2012 10:54 Fission wrote:On December 20 2012 10:50 Zaqwe wrote:On December 20 2012 10:37 HappyTimePANDA wrote:
Nice to say she'll be as good as the male players but everyone knows she is there for eye candy. Which I'm fine with but I think we all know we will never see her win a major tounament. Best of luck to her though. She doesn't need to win a tournament to be competitive. If she can even get enough skill to take a game off a top male progamer it will be a huge breakthrough for female progamers in sc2. I remember seeing Tossgirl win a match once in BW. It would be nice to see a female win even once in sc2. Scarlett already owns top male progamers, it's not like Eve would be the first. You will be disappointed to learn that Scarlett is transgender (biologically male). I am unaware of any female who has taken a single professional match off a male in SC2. Eve would indeed be the first to my knowledge, if she ever accomplishes that. The level of density in your post is staggering. It wasn't cute, it was a waste of time. And claiming Scarlett is "technically" male is a fucking joke. She's easily the best female player I can think of off hand (significantly above Flo, Eve, Aphro). Edit: Sorry for one post after another; just noticed this after post and formatting meh. I am not sure why you put "technically" in quotes. I never used that word. Scarlett is a biologically male transgender. Scarlett is very good, but is not biologically female. Let's not diminish any future achievements from women by comparing them to someone who is biologically/genetically male. It would be huge if Eve can really compete in leagues like GSTL and win games for her team. Scarlett would also win an arm wrestling match against Eve, but it would be no indication that Eve is weak by female standards. Take your transphobia and ignorance elsewhere, please. Oh quiet down with that PC bullshit.. Scarlett's a fantastic SC2 player and seems like a great person to be around. Pointing out that she was once a man is NOT INCORRECT. Her birth certificate presumably has "M" beside the gender designation. Its one thing to be accepting of someone who is transexual and wants to be recognized as a woman, its a completely different story to ignore the facts in the name of being politically correct. I'm sorry.. but stuff like this pisses me off.
Thought I recognized your name, you've gotten banned quite a few times and it's not hard to see why.
on topic though, glad to see a team that actually markets picks up Eve, I presume we'll be see a lot of her from now on.
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Good for Eve! I'm happy to see her find a new team. I will look forward to the continuation of her career as a progamer.
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Interesting. Hopefully she will play in some tournaments now. I don't see girls playing that much :/ Or I am just blind 
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The first female progamer ever appeared in a GSL match.
Okay, she lost her match.
Versus Sniper.
While offracing.
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Violets comment on it made me smile. Congrats Eve!
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I remember she felt so sad when she lost in the GSTL team league match.
I hope she can achieve what she wants.
Also, I thought she was T, why is the name in OP a P ?
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Seeker can you just put that she switched to protoss a few months back but was forced to play terran in GSTL because Slayers never updated the roster? Every other post is asking why she is listed as P and not T
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My understanding of what it means to be a transgender individual is that your own perception of your gender identity does not match your biologically assigned gender at birth. If I'm wrong, please excuse my ignorance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_verification_in_sports
With that said, I would just like to start by saying that it's obviously a controversial and two-sided issue in regards to gender identity and classifications within sports achievements and competition. The simple truth is men and women are biologically different and their differences result in differing strengths and weaknesses. Societal biases and prejudices over the history of our kind has also led to behavioral conditioning that puts both genders in disadvantages in some conditions.
I recognize Scarlett as a female. If that is what she considers herself, then that is what she is. Ideally, no separation should be made between the results of male competitors and female competitors, however, if we are to differentiate between gender in regards to results for whatever reason and if Scarlett is indeed biologically male, for the sake of competitive integrity, I just can't consider her results to be those of a female's before we fully understand gender's effects on the human brain and body. I don't know if she has undergone sex reassignment surgery or hormonal therapy, and quite frankly, that is none of my business.
It's like pro-life vs. pro-choice. As it stands now, on a reasonable level, there is a genuine debate and I'm just expressing my stance from one side of the argument. People will disagree and I fully understand and respect their position as well. It's one of those issues where neither side is right and both opinions should be honored. Eve saying the things she did (if that image is real) doesn't mean she is childish.
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On December 20 2012 19:01 Brian333 wrote:
My understanding of what it means to be a transgender individual is that your own perception of your gender identity does not match your biologically assigned gender at birth. If I'm wrong, please excuse my ignorance.
I know a transgender and it is exactly as you say.
They feel like they are born in the wrong body.
I know someone just like Scarlett who started changing sex very early on in her life. It is definitely something very difficult to describe for people who do not live it and I feel even if I try my very best I will never be able to quite understand the difficulty and hardship period that you have to go through. Whoever claims stupid stuff about Scarlett is merely ignorant and does not understand this particular subject matter
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Azubu planning on participating at GSTL is very pleasant; they seem to be quite rich and more money in the GSTL can´t be bad. Also congratz to Eve, hope to see her outside of korea soon, it would be quite interesting to see, how Eve/Aphrodite would do against foreign competition.
Btw. guys, I came to the conclusion, that Chuck Norris is most likely male. I thought it might be relevant, because it has as much to do with the actual topic, as the current discussion has.
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