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topschutter
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands93 Posts
December 02 2012 13:25 GMT
#101
I would really like to know how many % of the winrates pvz is late game and early game. So how many % from the games did protoss win with immortal all ins (or any other all in on 2 bases with no intention taking third). And how many wins did protoss get when zerg goes infestor BL composition.
speknek
Profile Joined February 2012
758 Posts
December 02 2012 13:26 GMT
#102
also the tvz wins include games like sculp-catz, mma-daisuki, bogus-massan and arguably more, which are basically players many leagues apart, no offence.
QuixoticO
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Netherlands810 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 13:28:41
December 02 2012 13:28 GMT
#103
I like how it went from early WoL "there's just a lot of good pro terrans that's why they win so much" to "zerg is imba just look at them winrates".
"Suum Cuique" - Cicero
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
December 02 2012 13:30 GMT
#104
On December 02 2012 22:28 QuixoticO wrote:
I like how it went from early WoL "there's just a lot of good pro terrans that's why they win so much" to "zerg is imba just look at them winrates".

Not that hard to concile the 2 when you see the list of nerfs to T and buffs to other races.

Also, the only players to ever have wrists problems are Terrans. Coincidence?

CranK doesn't count as his is a neck problem and was long before he even touched SC2 iirc.
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 13:34:23
December 02 2012 13:31 GMT
#105
On December 02 2012 22:25 topschutter wrote:
I would really like to know how many % of the winrates pvz is late game and early game. So how many % from the games did protoss win with immortal all ins (or any other all in on 2 bases with no intention taking third). And how many wins did protoss get when zerg goes infestor BL composition.


You basically have to watch the games since Protoss (just like Terran) can easily win the late game if they get there ahead.
A successful 2 or 3 base push does not necessarily imply killing the Zerg.

This could be done, although it would be very hard to objectively define what "getting in the late game ahead" means.
Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
December 02 2012 13:32 GMT
#106
So it's Z>T>P>Z . The opposite of BW .
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
December 02 2012 13:34 GMT
#107
On December 02 2012 22:32 raga4ka wrote:
So it's Z>T>P>Z . The opposite of BW .


No it's Z > All. The opposite of a balanced game.
Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
December 02 2012 13:35 GMT
#108
surprising to see Terran did better than Protoss overall this tournament. they recently havnt been doing so well outside of GSL.

zerg doing well is standard though
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
December 02 2012 13:36 GMT
#109
On December 02 2012 22:35 Champi wrote:
surprising to see Terran did better than Protoss overall this tournament. they recently havnt been doing so well outside of GSL.

zerg doing well is standard though


why are you surprised? the T who did well are GSL T.
Zest fanboy.
FeyverN
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States104 Posts
December 02 2012 13:39 GMT
#110
On December 02 2012 22:34 SiroKO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 22:32 raga4ka wrote:
So it's Z>T>P>Z . The opposite of BW .


No it's Z > All. The opposite of a balanced game.

I remember there was once a time where balance whining got people a temp-ban.
fuck
topschutter
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands93 Posts
December 02 2012 13:39 GMT
#111
On December 02 2012 22:31 SiroKO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 22:25 topschutter wrote:
I would really like to know how many % of the winrates pvz is late game and early game. So how many % from the games did protoss win with immortal all ins (or any other all in on 2 bases with no intention taking third). And how many wins did protoss get when zerg goes infestor BL composition.


You basically have to watch the games since Protoss (just like Terran) can easily win the late game if they get there ahead.
A successful 2 or 3 base push does not necessarily imply killing the Zerg.

This could be done, although it would be very hard to objectively define what "getting in the late game ahead" means.

Obviously you have to watch the games... if the game goes on after a failed immortal all in and the protoss still wins the late game then it's not a win because of the immortal all in. Shouldn't be too hard to judge what won the game. Usually the game ends there tho when protoss all ins.
Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
December 02 2012 13:40 GMT
#112
I've always thought that PvT was slightly in favor of P but looks like I was wrong, at least when I look at this tournament.
Awesome job, I really like stats like that.
It's good to be back
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
December 02 2012 13:48 GMT
#113
On December 02 2012 22:39 FeyverN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 22:34 SiroKO wrote:
On December 02 2012 22:32 raga4ka wrote:
So it's Z>T>P>Z . The opposite of BW .


No it's Z > All. The opposite of a balanced game.

I remember there was once a time where balance whining got people a temp-ban.


Logical claims based on rational and public data do not equal to "balance whines".
Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
December 02 2012 13:57 GMT
#114
On December 02 2012 22:48 SiroKO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 22:39 FeyverN wrote:
On December 02 2012 22:34 SiroKO wrote:
On December 02 2012 22:32 raga4ka wrote:
So it's Z>T>P>Z . The opposite of BW .


No it's Z > All. The opposite of a balanced game.

I remember there was once a time where balance whining got people a temp-ban.


Logical claims based on rational and public data do not equal to "balance whines".



Its still balance whining none the less, nothing rational about this information , when you look at the quality of some of the players.

As for the tournament. The quality of production has been great and there has been some fantastic games been played. I Getting really hyped for the finals this evening
Neino
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway295 Posts
December 02 2012 13:58 GMT
#115
On December 02 2012 22:32 raga4ka wrote:
So it's Z>T>P>Z . The opposite of BW .


TIL 40% > 60%
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13012 Posts
December 02 2012 13:58 GMT
#116
On December 02 2012 22:39 FeyverN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 22:34 SiroKO wrote:
On December 02 2012 22:32 raga4ka wrote:
So it's Z>T>P>Z . The opposite of BW .


No it's Z > All. The opposite of a balanced game.

I remember there was once a time where balance whining got people a temp-ban.

We are not in a LR thread you know.

Even though I did expect this kind of stats, it still makes me laugh to see such abysmal winrates despite the terrans being the likes of MMA, Bogus, ByuN and Polt.
WriterMaru
ChatimentZ
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 14:01:29
December 02 2012 14:01 GMT
#117
Very interesting
sup son
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 14:09:15
December 02 2012 14:08 GMT
#118
Horrible thread.
"Here are the winrates: zerg wins more than other races.
Please no balance whine."

... Then what's the point of the thread?
What can we discuss besides balance?
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
December 02 2012 14:09 GMT
#119
On December 02 2012 23:08 Yorbon wrote:
Horrible thread.
"Here are the winrates: zerg wins more than other races.
Please no balance whine."

... Then what's the point of the thread?
What can we discuss besides balance?

I think you missed the word "whine."
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
December 02 2012 14:14 GMT
#120
On December 02 2012 23:09 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 23:08 Yorbon wrote:
Horrible thread.
"Here are the winrates: zerg wins more than other races.
Please no balance whine."

... Then what's the point of the thread?
What can we discuss besides balance?

I think you missed the word "whine."
ah, my bad. I thought whine was inherent to balance discussion..
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