• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 06:21
CET 12:21
KST 20:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced! What's the best tug of war? The Grack before Christmas Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion How soO Began His ProGaming Dreams Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA)
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB SemiFinals - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] WB & LB Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread 12 Days of Starcraft The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1500 users

Alt-Tab.Gaming has disbanded - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 00:34:12
November 17 2012 00:34 GMT
#61
On November 17 2012 09:02 AnomalySC2 wrote:
Sucks ((((

Esports needs a fresh injection of players and sponsors.

Hell no, there are already way too many players.
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
Gyro_SC2
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada540 Posts
November 17 2012 00:35 GMT
#62
On November 17 2012 02:23 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 02:17 Quakie wrote:
Has said it before, but what is it about these french unstable teams(with the exception of Millenium)?

Millenium is HUGE in France. EG in the USA is a joke compared to Millenium in France (Yesterday they got 4K viewers during 3 hours for a multi-esports event with good players and some viewers) This fact makes in very difficult for upcoming teams to get money.



LOL

wingsofdeathx is 16K easy by himself.

Sc2 is really dying :D

User was warned for this post
F-Decoy
Profile Joined June 2011
France245 Posts
November 17 2012 00:38 GMT
#63
You can't compare EG and M, since EG is sharing the US market with many other teams while M is alone at pro level in France.
That being said, I really hope one day we'll have another "M-like" teams in France, since alone it's really hard to promote eSport.

@Topic: sad for players.
ECHOZs
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States499 Posts
November 17 2012 00:43 GMT
#64
Really sucks for Sage he is such a underrated player. Would love to see him go to TL and he fits the criteria quite well.
Demicore
Profile Joined October 2011
France503 Posts
November 17 2012 00:47 GMT
#65
Really bummed about that, Jérémy looks like a good guy.
"I love male nipples in starcraft; the two go together so well." ~Tasteless
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
November 17 2012 00:47 GMT
#66
On November 17 2012 02:23 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 02:17 Quakie wrote:
Has said it before, but what is it about these french unstable teams(with the exception of Millenium)?

Millenium is HUGE in France. EG in the USA is a joke compared to Millenium in France (Yesterday they got 4K viewers during 3 hours for a multi-esports event with good players and some viewers) This fact makes in very difficult for upcoming teams to get money.


Millenium can't be that huge otherwise they would have been able to afford stephano, the pride of france. They may be huge relative to france, but small potatoes compared to EG.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
November 17 2012 01:00 GMT
#67
Could be a good chance for another foreigner team to pick up Sage. Here's hoping it's Dignitas to patch up their lineup.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Sylfyre
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia222 Posts
November 17 2012 01:04 GMT
#68
=( sucks for AltTab, it's interesting that Eclypsia is trying to repair their image actively through a merger.
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 01:25:52
November 17 2012 01:21 GMT
#69
On November 17 2012 08:59 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 02:42 Megabuster123 wrote:
4k isn't enough to call EG a joke in comparison...>_>

EG gets way more than that during the masters cup.


Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 05:32 Qwyn wrote:
I highly doubt that. Equivalent, maybe. But EG is most definitely not a "joke." They set a very high standard.

I wonder why Stephano went to EG?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

EG is nothing compared to Millenium in term of market penetration. The hold they have on the french market is higher than the hold that EG has on the USA. They have an minimum of 2K viewers every single day from 20:00 to 00:00.

To compare numbers : onemoregame.TV has 25M total viewers whereas MilleniumTV1 has 40M. And the first one has a multinational audience while Millenium has only a francophone audience (mostly european)

EG is a vastly richer team than Millenium but they have the biggest market in the world, still they don't have the same kind of penetration. And Millenium isn't even doing a good job at marketing themselves at the french public ...


The USA market is way, way bigger than the French market. It's not really fair to try and compare to a much smaller base. Head to head, EG is just way bigger than millenium. edit: and it's a pretty good point too that the USA market is well saturated with other competing brands.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
November 17 2012 01:43 GMT
#70
On November 17 2012 10:21 rd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 08:59 Otolia wrote:
On November 17 2012 02:42 Megabuster123 wrote:
4k isn't enough to call EG a joke in comparison...>_>

EG gets way more than that during the masters cup.


On November 17 2012 05:32 Qwyn wrote:
I highly doubt that. Equivalent, maybe. But EG is most definitely not a "joke." They set a very high standard.

I wonder why Stephano went to EG?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

EG is nothing compared to Millenium in term of market penetration. The hold they have on the french market is higher than the hold that EG has on the USA. They have an minimum of 2K viewers every single day from 20:00 to 00:00.

To compare numbers : onemoregame.TV has 25M total viewers whereas MilleniumTV1 has 40M. And the first one has a multinational audience while Millenium has only a francophone audience (mostly european)

EG is a vastly richer team than Millenium but they have the biggest market in the world, still they don't have the same kind of penetration. And Millenium isn't even doing a good job at marketing themselves at the french public ...


The USA market is way, way bigger than the French market. It's not really fair to try and compare to a much smaller base. Head to head, EG is just way bigger than millenium. edit: and it's a pretty good point too that the USA market is well saturated with other competing brands.

But the point from the beginning was relative hold on their respective markets. The discussion was never about absolute wealth or size. It is as fair as comparing any other relative values. You just need to know what is being compared and not suffer from knee-jerk reactions because someone said EG is smaller.
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 02:14:41
November 17 2012 02:07 GMT
#71
On November 17 2012 10:43 mcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 10:21 rd wrote:
On November 17 2012 08:59 Otolia wrote:
On November 17 2012 02:42 Megabuster123 wrote:
4k isn't enough to call EG a joke in comparison...>_>

EG gets way more than that during the masters cup.


On November 17 2012 05:32 Qwyn wrote:
I highly doubt that. Equivalent, maybe. But EG is most definitely not a "joke." They set a very high standard.

I wonder why Stephano went to EG?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

EG is nothing compared to Millenium in term of market penetration. The hold they have on the french market is higher than the hold that EG has on the USA. They have an minimum of 2K viewers every single day from 20:00 to 00:00.

To compare numbers : onemoregame.TV has 25M total viewers whereas MilleniumTV1 has 40M. And the first one has a multinational audience while Millenium has only a francophone audience (mostly european)

EG is a vastly richer team than Millenium but they have the biggest market in the world, still they don't have the same kind of penetration. And Millenium isn't even doing a good job at marketing themselves at the french public ...


The USA market is way, way bigger than the French market. It's not really fair to try and compare to a much smaller base. Head to head, EG is just way bigger than millenium. edit: and it's a pretty good point too that the USA market is well saturated with other competing brands.

But the point from the beginning was relative hold on their respective markets. The discussion was never about absolute wealth or size. It is as fair as comparing any other relative values. You just need to know what is being compared and not suffer from knee-jerk reactions because someone said EG is smaller.


You just need to read posts thoroughly instead of posting knee-jerk responses full of assumptions. I'll figure out what's being compared as soon as you stop inserting my motives for doing so.
PiQLiQ
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden702 Posts
November 17 2012 02:08 GMT
#72
Too bad
http://twitter.com/PiQLiQ
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
November 17 2012 02:21 GMT
#73
On November 17 2012 11:07 rd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 10:43 mcc wrote:
On November 17 2012 10:21 rd wrote:
On November 17 2012 08:59 Otolia wrote:
On November 17 2012 02:42 Megabuster123 wrote:
4k isn't enough to call EG a joke in comparison...>_>

EG gets way more than that during the masters cup.


On November 17 2012 05:32 Qwyn wrote:
I highly doubt that. Equivalent, maybe. But EG is most definitely not a "joke." They set a very high standard.

I wonder why Stephano went to EG?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

EG is nothing compared to Millenium in term of market penetration. The hold they have on the french market is higher than the hold that EG has on the USA. They have an minimum of 2K viewers every single day from 20:00 to 00:00.

To compare numbers : onemoregame.TV has 25M total viewers whereas MilleniumTV1 has 40M. And the first one has a multinational audience while Millenium has only a francophone audience (mostly european)

EG is a vastly richer team than Millenium but they have the biggest market in the world, still they don't have the same kind of penetration. And Millenium isn't even doing a good job at marketing themselves at the french public ...


The USA market is way, way bigger than the French market. It's not really fair to try and compare to a much smaller base. Head to head, EG is just way bigger than millenium. edit: and it's a pretty good point too that the USA market is well saturated with other competing brands.

But the point from the beginning was relative hold on their respective markets. The discussion was never about absolute wealth or size. It is as fair as comparing any other relative values. You just need to know what is being compared and not suffer from knee-jerk reactions because someone said EG is smaller.


You just need to read posts thoroughly instead of posting knee-jerk responses full of assumptions. I'll figure out what's being compared as soon as you stop inserting my motives for doing so.

I read your post and I see no assumptions that I made, I react only to your exact words in that post. Last sentence was not really directed at you personally, it was more reaction to other posts of similar content, should have used different phrasing.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
November 17 2012 02:39 GMT
#74
On November 17 2012 10:21 rd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 08:59 Otolia wrote:
On November 17 2012 02:42 Megabuster123 wrote:
4k isn't enough to call EG a joke in comparison...>_>

EG gets way more than that during the masters cup.


On November 17 2012 05:32 Qwyn wrote:
I highly doubt that. Equivalent, maybe. But EG is most definitely not a "joke." They set a very high standard.

I wonder why Stephano went to EG?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

EG is nothing compared to Millenium in term of market penetration. The hold they have on the french market is higher than the hold that EG has on the USA. They have an minimum of 2K viewers every single day from 20:00 to 00:00.

To compare numbers : onemoregame.TV has 25M total viewers whereas MilleniumTV1 has 40M. And the first one has a multinational audience while Millenium has only a francophone audience (mostly european)

EG is a vastly richer team than Millenium but they have the biggest market in the world, still they don't have the same kind of penetration. And Millenium isn't even doing a good job at marketing themselves at the french public ...


The USA market is way, way bigger than the French market. It's not really fair to try and compare to a much smaller base. Head to head, EG is just way bigger than millenium. edit: and it's a pretty good point too that the USA market is well saturated with other competing brands.

*sigh* I'm not saying EG isn't bigger, this isn't an e-peen contest. I am just trying to present a reason why french teams struggle to sustain themselves. Millenium isn't the reason the teams are failing, but it's the reason why they feel pressure to succeed and end up disbanding because they can't meet their objectives.

The reasons of Millenium's hold onto the french scene are numerous and I am not trying to establish a fair comparison with EG, I'm just providing metrics, a measurement stick if you will. Because EG is the biggest team out there.
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
November 17 2012 18:09 GMT
#75
I wish all the best for Sage
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
LuckyGnomTV
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Russian Federation367 Posts
November 17 2012 18:11 GMT
#76
no wonder
IceBergZ
Profile Joined September 2012
Malaysia176 Posts
November 27 2012 09:41 GMT
#77
OMG
IceBergZ
Profile Joined September 2012
Malaysia176 Posts
November 27 2012 09:44 GMT
#78
any english version so I can read ?
PixelNite
Profile Joined August 2011
France1008 Posts
November 27 2012 09:46 GMT
#79
On November 27 2012 18:44 IceBergZ wrote:
any english version so I can read ?

Translation in the first comments of the post
IceBergZ
Profile Joined September 2012
Malaysia176 Posts
November 27 2012 09:52 GMT
#80
nvrmd found the english translation ady
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
2025 December Finals
Classic vs TriGGeRLIVE!
Percival vs ByuN
CranKy Ducklings318
IndyStarCraft 175
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 175
SortOf 161
trigger 34
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 39429
Rain 12595
Sea 5023
GuemChi 1220
Jaedong 947
Stork 471
Mong 337
Hyuk 335
Soma 273
Last 239
[ Show more ]
Mini 218
EffOrt 206
Light 198
hero 135
Sharp 129
ggaemo 123
Rush 99
Shuttle 87
Hyun 84
Pusan 73
ToSsGirL 59
sorry 58
soO 45
Mind 40
yabsab 32
NotJumperer 24
Sea.KH 21
zelot 20
Terrorterran 15
JulyZerg 10
SilentControl 8
ajuk12(nOOB) 7
Barracks 4
eros_byul 0
Dota 2
XcaliburYe464
League of Legends
JimRising 432
C9.Mang0381
Other Games
B2W.Neo1016
Pyrionflax418
mouzStarbuck330
Mew2King49
MindelVK19
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick719
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 29
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2041
• Lourlo1080
Upcoming Events
OSC
6h 39m
BSL 21
8h 39m
Cross vs Dewalt
Replay Cast
21h 39m
Wardi Open
1d
OSC
2 days
Solar vs MaxPax
ByuN vs Krystianer
Spirit vs TBD
OSC
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
OSC
6 days
OSC
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: W1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1: W2
Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.