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On November 02 2012 05:26 monkybone wrote: or at least that's what I heard. Nobody get riled up yet... | ||
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Hazuc
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On November 02 2012 05:30 whatevername wrote: Lol why are the first few posts so pessimistic and melodramatic, you realize hardly anyone ever used the Gom house and it was universally considered pointless? You couldnt get quality practice there. It was just a stop gap measure if you were in korea briefly... So what? It's still a bad news. It clearly shows that there are problems with SC2 right now. | ||
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Zenbrez
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On November 02 2012 05:27 Hazuc wrote: We've got nothing but bad news since last month. I'm not so sure what to think anymore. Nothing, but bad news? There has been a fair bit of good stuff too. No need to be so negative. So what? It's still a bad news. It clearly shows that there are problems with SC2 right now. No, it's completely separate from SC2. GOM did something that was pointless. They now realize it was pointless, so they're removing their pointless thing. Boom, where was the presence of Esports and SC2 dying? | ||
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Hazuc
Canada471 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:32 Zenbrez wrote: Nothing, but bad news? There has been a fair bit of good stuff too. No need to be so negative. Like what? I'd like to know. | ||
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m3rciless
United States1476 Posts
All of the worthwhile foreigners stayed in oGs house iirc edit: except wait did the foreigner world championship team stay there? Because white-ra stomping mc was one of my favorite moments in sc2. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
Feel free to look at the first 2 pages of the forum. | ||
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Dodgin
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Dzerzhinsky
Scotland327 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:34 m3rciless wrote: I don't know why it even opened in the first place. Best thing we ever got out of that place was lastshadow getting his shit rocked by some fatty All of the worthwhile foreigners stayed in oGs house iirc edit: except wait did the foreigner world championship team stay there? Because white-ra stomping mc was one of my favorite moments in sc2. I'd take a complete guess that they opened it to try and attract more foreigners to compete, since more foreigners equals more foreign viewers. Most of those using it have been significantly below GSL quality though, and those who did frequent GSL like Huk and Naniwa stayed in team houses. | ||
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Ethoex
United States164 Posts
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chadissilent
Canada1187 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:45 Ethoex wrote: is there a link with proof? Only skype convos | ||
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Hiea
Denmark1538 Posts
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mikkmagro
Malta1513 Posts
SortOf > NSH SaSe > StarTale LastShadow > MVP Fnatic was hosting a few foreigners in their own house. Liquid had their own house. SLoG got his own place afaik. The only people recently living there were NaNiwa (is he still in Korea?), MaNa and funkay. the latter two only stayed for a couple of months and are now back in Poland. The EG people probably live there from time to time after their partnership with SlayerS broke down, but I'm pretty sure they can partner up with any team they want. | ||
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ShakkaFL
Norway647 Posts
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:48 Hiea wrote: This doesn't seem like a big deal whatsoever, Is there any players of note in the GOM house anymore? Naniwa | ||
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Salient
United States876 Posts
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:27 Hazuc wrote: We've got nothing but bad news since last month. I'm not so sure what to think anymore. Think whatever you want, its most likely wrong. Broodwar had like less than 10% of the events SC2 currently has running, and it stayed popular for 5-7 years like that. Things naturally end, and new things take their place. Having a single foreigner house shut down that is not even being used right now has nothing to do with SC2 taking a negative hit. Stop reading soo closely into things. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:31 Hazuc wrote: So what? It's still a bad news. It clearly shows that there are problems with SC2 right now. not sure if serious.jpg User was warned for this post | ||
Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
On November 02 2012 06:04 eXigent. wrote: Think whatever you want, its most likely wrong. Broodwar had like less than 10% of the events SC2 currently has running, and it stayed popular for 5-7 years like that. Things naturally end, and new things take their place. Having a single foreigner house shut down that is not even being used right now has nothing to do with SC2 taking a negative hit. Stop reading soo closely into things. This isn't necessarily what he means. No need to start a game vs game debate. | ||
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Grampz
United States2147 Posts
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fuzzylogic44
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
As for people who are saying this is further signs of Doom and Gloom for SC2, they are kinda silly. Some things that made sense 2 years ago don’t make sense now. It is that simple. If no one is using the Gom House, why have it? | ||
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Exarl25
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
 , sounds like a good thing to me other than the fact that nani needs a new place to stay now  . | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
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SigmaoctanusIV
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ES.Genie
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DerNebel
Denmark648 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:41 Dzerzhinsky wrote: I'd take a complete guess that they opened it to try and attract more foreigners to compete, since more foreigners equals more foreign viewers. Most of those using it have been significantly below GSL quality though, and those who did frequent GSL like Huk and Naniwa stayed in team houses. It's just not nearly as good as a teamhouse and thus players staying there will generally be below GSL standard. If you're good enough for GSL your team can usually negotiate a team house to train in for you. Thus, the GOM house is quite simply a money sink for GSL and is being cut. No drama needed. Sad that it didn't fill its purpose though  | ||
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Nadacambia
Netherlands142 Posts
You really are one fucking pathetic dramawhore | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:31 Hazuc wrote: So what? It's still a bad news. It clearly shows that there are problems with SC2 right now. The SC2 scene was purposely oversaturated with leagues, teams and players. It was done so that as many people as possible would have a shot at doing things their way the best they could. The expectation was that there would be competition and the best would survive. This downsizing isn't indicative of a problem at all. I'm not sure how you think it's clearly a problem in this context. I guess you didn't know the context and weren't able to imagine it. I think three major leagues (out of IPL MLG OSL GSL DH) could completely shut down and SC2 would still be doing great. And aside from those, there are still so many supplementary events that are major but irregular or are just on the cusp of being major (NASL, TSL, ESL, HSC, Iron Squid, Blizzard's tournaments, TeSPA tournaments, Red Bull events, etc). Even if the supplementary events slim down there'd still be a good number of them. So just chill. edit: I don't know what makes a league major or not. I'm not gonna spend time worrying about whether I classified them correctly so I hope no one from those leagues takes offense. If I didn't say your league was major, I'm sorry, just chill bro. | ||
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Exarl25
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I'm not even joking | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
It would make sense at this point that they would close it and use that money for better purposes. | ||
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Major
Mexico539 Posts
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ArnaudF
France993 Posts
On November 02 2012 06:42 Exarl25 wrote: Reddit are saying that this means GSL will be dead within a year. I'm not even joking One guy implies that => "Reddit ARE saying that this means GSL will be dead within a year." Come on... | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 02 2012 06:42 Exarl25 wrote: Reddit are saying that this means GSL will be dead within a year. I'm not even joking Yet more reason why Reddit is sort of worthless when it comes to these subjects and should be ignored. It is filled with people who wait for new like this and jump on it to say that SC2 is dead, or to try and get someone fired over the latest drama. | ||
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
I believe Gomsnowbird used to live there as well?? He moved back to Germany, could be another reason. I would say the money can be better spent on Gom's part, no big deal. I'm sure Kaldor will be fine and GOM doesn't have to look after Naniwa. | ||
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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
Semi-relevant but funny: | ||
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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:31 Hazuc wrote: So what? It's still a bad news. It clearly shows that there are problems with SC2 right now. I don't think that you can measure the succes of e-sport based on the number of empty houses owned by companies afiliated with e-sports | ||
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
Unless he wasn't living in the house anymore -_- since he was with Kespa | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
Now with GSL not having any foreigner in it. It just seems like more of a waste to GOM | ||
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Fishriot
United States621 Posts
On November 02 2012 06:44 ROOTMajOr wrote: you all people can say all you want about gomhouse but when i was theere i got alot better and when i found i was really sad about this cause i wanted to go back there :/ Would TSL let you stay with them again? | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On November 02 2012 07:07 Fishriot wrote: :/ Would TSL let you stay with them again? I think the foreign teams have to find a spot with partner teams to accomodate their players, shouldn't be too hard. The only problem is with teamless pros, but even then there might be a Korean team willing to take them in for a fee (was GOM house completely free? there was probably a small fee required as well, no?). Now, if you are teamless and unpopular with Koreans, then you might have a problem (*cough*Nani*cough*). | ||
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Nick!
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On November 02 2012 06:11 Epoxide wrote: This isn't necessarily what he means. No need to start a game vs game debate. Why would my comment stir up a game debate? All im saying is if it's predecessor has had success amidst a stagnant tournament scene, then the simple fact that GOM is shutting down their foreigner house is extremely minor to the overall outcome of future events and popularity regarding SC2. The fact that you read my post and assumed I was comparing games in a way that may pit them against each other is ludicrous and extremely poor in understanding. Starcraft 2 is soo chalk full of events and tournaments that its currently impossible to even enter them all. That is definitely not a sign of a dwindling game. | ||
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sparkk51
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SoniC_eu
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Cereb
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Utopi
Denmark176 Posts
On November 02 2012 07:34 Cereb wrote: Oh no! An unused house is closing! Yep. So true. Glad GoM are spending their resources on more important things. | ||
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robopork
United States511 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:31 Hazuc wrote: So what? It's still a bad news. It clearly shows that there are problems with SC2 right now. ...if it's a waste of money, closing it down is good business, problems or not. It clearly doesn't show jack shit. | ||
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:32 whatevername wrote: Its not bad news if it served no purpose. And it isnt a sign of anything but Gom wising up that they had a house for no fucking reason. When was the last time more than one foreigner used it for like, a week? When was the last time a GOOD foreigner used it? Honestly I can only think of when the FXO team used it like a year and a half ago. Well Stephano was there until a few days ago and Naniwa is still there. Mana also was there until a few weeks ago. | ||
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Mensol
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I wish gsl had intros like that. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
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Disposition1989
Canada270 Posts
On November 02 2012 07:43 revel8 wrote: Well Stephano was there until a few days ago and Naniwa is still there. Mana also was there until a few weeks ago. I think they wanted like 8 people staying there for it to be actually useful. If it's two people, what's the point? It was useful back when there were foreigners in the GSL but that's likely not gonna happen anymore | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On November 02 2012 07:47 PhoenixVoid wrote: I always felt that the GOM house was a little too generous, and I believed that the GOM house would not be sustainable for too long. Pretty sad how foreigners lost the only home they now have in Korea, and some might have to leave Korea for good (for now). Wonder how this affects Stephano, though it does tie well with the end of his suspension, so I think he returns to NA soon. Stephano left the GOM house earlier this week. He has ESWC in Paris this weekend. Naniwa however was still there, so he will be affected whenever this closure occurs. Khaldor too. | ||
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Misacampo
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I don't think there are any pros even staying there right now except for naniwa? and khaldor I think. | ||
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Mondieu
Romania803 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:30 whatevername wrote: Lol why are the first few posts so pessimistic and melodramatic, you realize hardly anyone ever used the Gom house and it was universally considered pointless? You couldnt get quality practice there. It was just a stop gap measure if you were in korea briefly... I partially agree with this post, but didn't Carn and the fat protoss guy stay there for a couple of months? | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On November 02 2012 07:15 Nick! wrote: Stephano moves into GOM house, GOM house closes. CURSED I have to say normally I don't laugh at these kinds of posts but this one was really good (PS if you wanted CURSED to be pushed out you can type [ indent ] without the spaces) | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On November 02 2012 07:34 SoniC_eu wrote: Sc2 is fine, bunch of drama queens. Glad to hear that GOM TV are downsizing! It will be missed, but I'm sure they can find other ways to spend the money more efficiently! Yeah, maybe on a stream that isn't worse than 360p quality lol | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On November 02 2012 07:47 Disposition1989 wrote: I think they wanted like 8 people staying there for it to be actually useful. If it's two people, what's the point? It was useful back when there were foreigners in the GSL but that's likely not gonna happen anymore I understand they may be shutting it down for economic reasons, but it clearly makes things harder in the future for Foreigners to compete in GSL - including Code A qualifiers. Some teams can make an arrangement to house a player with a Korean Pro-Team, but this is not always viable due to available space + cost of rent. Major has already said he wanted to stay at the GOM House again in the future. | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:31 Hazuc wrote: So what? It's still a bad news. It clearly shows that there are problems with SC2 right now. It absolutely does not show anything of the sort. | ||
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UndoneJin
United States438 Posts
On November 02 2012 06:31 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: The GOM house outlived its purpose and it is for the better they stop spending money on it. Exactly, people need to stop looking for signs of death and destruction in everything, its gotten ridiculous. | ||
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GoSuChicken
Germany1726 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:31 Hazuc wrote: So what? It's still a bad news. It clearly shows that there are problems with SC2 right now. yeah realizing something didnt work out well and fixing it clearly shows there are problems with SC2 right now... | ||
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gOst
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On November 02 2012 05:31 Hazuc wrote: So what? It's still a bad news. It clearly shows that there are problems with SC2 right now. Oh please stop with the sky is falling BS. The house served it's purpose well enough, but it's not really needed any more. Most foreigners coming to korea are either staying for such a short time that they might as well stay at a hotel, or they are staying for a longer period and practicing and in that case the gomhouse is not really the best practice enviroment. Staying with a teamhouse in korea is the way to go with korean pros and coaches. | ||
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qnoob
United States40 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:31 Hazuc wrote: So what? It's still a bad news. It clearly shows that there are problems with SC2 right now. lol ? nice logic .. gom house was never a concern to anyone | ||
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AnalThermometer
Vatican City State334 Posts
On November 02 2012 08:14 desRow wrote: The gomhouse closing is nothing surprising, they never offered more than a roof over your head and crappy computers. It had potential but it was wasted by Gom. Sucks for khaldor/slog and the others living there =/ A lot of people would love to have both of those things, GOM was pretty generous to offer players a chance to stay there. In fact most people would have to work full time for it. >the entitlement generation | ||
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
On November 02 2012 08:14 desRow wrote: The gomhouse closing is nothing surprising, they never offered more than a roof over your head and crappy computers. It had potential but it was wasted by Gom. Sucks for khaldor/slog and the others living there =/ Do you even realise how entitled you sound right now? I don't mean to rage at you, but christ, how can you downplay a roof over your fucking head, and computers to use? >_> If anything, the house was an extreme act of kindness that ultimately didn't pay off. | ||
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TT1
Canada9990 Posts
On November 02 2012 08:14 desRow wrote: The gomhouse closing is nothing surprising, they never offered more than a roof over your head and crappy computers. It had potential but it was wasted by Gom. Sucks for khaldor/slog and the others living there =/ you should be happy that they gave a newb like u the opportunity to practice somewhere for free, ungrateful bitch User was warned for this post | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
On November 02 2012 08:14 desRow wrote: The gomhouse closing is nothing surprising, they never offered more than a roof over your head and crappy computers. It had potential but it was wasted by Gom. Sucks for khaldor/slog and the others living there =/ Sorry it wasn't perfect, princess. Personally I think it's a remarkable thing that the Gom house stayed open this long. Well done, Gom. | ||
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aTnClouD
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On November 02 2012 08:39 Kasaraki wrote: Do you even realise how entitled you sound right now? I don't mean to rage at you, but christ, how can you downplay a roof over your fucking head, and computers to use? >_> If anything, the house was an extreme act of kindness that ultimately didn't pay off. It's not because they gave away this shit for free that they had to not take any responsibilities to make it work. They had no marketing/management in place after Torch left. There was no application form on their site for up and coming players to get a shot at going there so the house was 3/4 empty after march 2012. I'm grateful I had the opportunity to go I'm just disappointed by gom for not doing it right. | ||
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Kouda
United States2205 Posts
On November 02 2012 08:47 desRow wrote: It's not because they gave away this shit for free that they had to not take any responsibilities to make it work. They had no marketing/management in place after Torch left. There was no application form on their site for up and coming players to get a shot at going there so the house was 3/4 empty after march 2012. I'm grateful I had the opportunity to go I'm just disappointed in the lack of support and more that gom did with the place. They give you a roof and computers to play on. Not the best, but its more than 99.9% of companies will ever do for you. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32739 Posts
On November 02 2012 08:14 desRow wrote: The gomhouse closing is nothing surprising, they never offered more than a roof over your head and crappy computers. It had potential but it was wasted by Gom. Sucks for khaldor/slog and the others living there =/ Find it a bit strange you are complaining about having a house and computers in Korea, when I seriously doubt you would have been able to arrange even the house by yourself. It was a generous offer by GOM, and you should be grateful enough for at least having a home. | ||
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Dr.Sin
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On November 02 2012 08:53 Dr.Sin wrote: Why is it closing? Where is everyone going to go? I don't think anyone was there except Khaldor and naniwa, if I had to guess Khaldor could go to the fnatic house he goes there often to cast for them while naniwa can grovel to nestea for a place in the IM house as his eternal slave. | ||
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robopork
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Steelo_Rivers
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Canucklehead
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Haze.884
New Zealand192 Posts
On November 02 2012 08:14 desRow wrote: The gomhouse closing is nothing surprising, they never offered more than a roof over your head and crappy computers. It had potential but it was wasted by Gom. Sucks for khaldor/slog and the others living there =/ Holyshit, I think this comment almost gave me cancer.Someone doesn't know how insane is cost of a house in Seoul is...... | ||
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Fyodor
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MVega
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At the sky is falling people: No it's not. The sky is only falling if the western SC2 community keeps eating itself. | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On November 02 2012 09:09 Haze.884 wrote: Holyshit, I think this comment almost gave me cancer.Someone doesn't know how insane is cost of a house in Seoul is...... appartment was 1500 a month | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On November 02 2012 09:09 Haze.884 wrote: Holyshit, I think this comment almost gave me cancer.Someone doesn't know how insane is cost of a house in Seoul is...... Umm I think desRow probably knows this stuff pretty well. Besides, GOM must have some money to spare. | ||
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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ppshchik
United States862 Posts
On November 02 2012 08:39 Kasaraki wrote: Do you even realise how entitled you sound right now? I don't mean to rage at you, but christ, how can you downplay a roof over your fucking head, and computers to use? >_> If anything, the house was an extreme act of kindness that ultimately didn't pay off. Apparently the GOM house did not provide any cheeseburgers User was warned for this post | ||
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Mairou
Finland144 Posts
Naniwa is the second foreign hope but he dropped out of code S :-/ So why would they pay expensive rent if foreigns are not even playing in their league anymore. | ||
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farvacola
United States18820 Posts
On November 02 2012 09:50 ppshchik wrote: Apparently the GOM house did not provide any cheeseburgers Oh mah gawd, a Desrow fat joke? You must be some kind of Martin Lawrence or some shit. | ||
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DoA
Korea (South)599 Posts
It might not have provided the best practice environment for players like it was intended to, but it did provide a way for players to be here and build a lot of the Korea - Global connections that everyone is benefiting from today in various leagues. It also provided a way for casters to get to Korea and be able to do their thing at Code A without having to scramble to find a place to live. So in my mind it did do a lot of good although maybe not in the way that was intended originally. | ||
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Targe
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Bart
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Rezudox
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On November 02 2012 09:18 desRow wrote: appartment was 1500 a month Not cool. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
On November 02 2012 06:44 ROOTMajOr wrote: you all people can say all you want about gomhouse but when i was theere i got alot better and when i found i was really sad about this cause i wanted to go back there Pretty crazy how many people are saying this is a good thing. Anything which encourages foreigners living in Korea is amazing. A great place to socialize with other gamers and stay. Maybe not an official training house, but take what you can get. | ||
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Cubu
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trGKakarot
United States129 Posts
The skill gap is just getting worse, so there is even less likely some random star. | ||
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Dispersion
Korea (South)504 Posts
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
On November 02 2012 10:49 MooMooMugi wrote: Isn't this just a rumor? Don't jump to conclusions guys Kaldor basically confirmed it on twitter and said he would make a video explaining more later today. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On November 02 2012 11:11 Dispersion wrote: Most Koreans I talk to have basically dismissed SC2 as a competitive sport. Once Brood War died, they moved to League. All the PC bangs advertise League instead of SC2. could you explain more please, it's interesting | ||
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
On November 02 2012 11:11 Dispersion wrote: Most Koreans I talk to have basically dismissed SC2 as a competitive sport. Once Brood War died, they moved to League. All the PC bangs advertise League instead of SC2. Super relevant post about the GOM house tt | ||
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e4e5nf3
Canada599 Posts
On November 02 2012 06:04 eXigent. wrote: Think whatever you want, its most likely wrong. Broodwar had like less than 10% of the events SC2 currently has running, and it stayed popular for 5-7 years like that. Things naturally end, and new things take their place. Having a single foreigner house shut down that is not even being used right now has nothing to do with SC2 taking a negative hit. Stop reading soo closely into things. Since you mention BW, yes, it did have less events then sc2.... but to put things in perspective, BW was THE esport game during that era. There wasn't anything close to it to threaten its throne. When one thought of esports, one thought of BW first. Today? LoL has achieved the status every one on this board was hoping SC2 would be at by this time. Let's not kid ourselves. Now it's Starcraft that has to catch up. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On November 02 2012 11:29 e4e5nf3 wrote: Since you mention BW, yes, it did have less events then sc2.... but to put things in perspective, BW was THE esport game during that era. There wasn't anything close to it to threaten its throne. When one thought of esports, one thought of BW first. That's not true for a lot of people. There are a number of us who thought of Brood War as the game that Koreans played, with Counterstrike as the best competitive title. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44040 Posts
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HappyZerGling
Ukraine161 Posts
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Khaldor
Germany861 Posts
On November 02 2012 11:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: We need an official announcement >.> Well it's not an official announcement, but I uploaded a short video about it: | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6628 Posts
On November 02 2012 11:52 Khaldor wrote: Well it's not an official announcement, but I uploaded a short video about it: https://twitter.com/Khaldor/status/264194065267032064 Thanks for the video Khaldor! I hope people will watch it and all of this 'drama' gets cleared up! | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On November 02 2012 11:11 Dispersion wrote: Most Koreans I talk to have basically dismissed SC2 as a competitive sport. Once Brood War died, they moved to League. All the PC bangs advertise League instead of SC2. That has nothing to do with this topic. Just posting that here shows you are a bw elitist. | ||
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Kouda
United States2205 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On November 02 2012 12:10 Kouda wrote: Damn. Khaldor photogenic as fuck. SC2 commentators always best looking haha And that was w/ his shirt on...lolol | ||
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RenSC2
United States1047 Posts
On November 02 2012 11:52 Khaldor wrote: Well it's not an official announcement, but I uploaded a short video about it: https://twitter.com/Khaldor/status/264194065267032064 Thanks for the statement Khaldor. As you said, it's sad, but the right choice. A shame that only a few of the people there really used it as the opportunity it was. | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
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therockmanxx
Peru1174 Posts
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
On November 02 2012 12:32 therockmanxx wrote: Why invest money in something that doesnt give you money Why make the GSL finals in Las Vegas? Obviously to invest in foreign viewers. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On November 02 2012 12:33 TRaFFiC wrote: Why make the GSL finals in Las Vegas? Obviously to invest in foreign viewers. Well, no name foreign "pros", who are not even able to gain regional fame, are not going to bring foreign viewers for GOM (not talking about players like Mana, Naniwa, Stephano, Major, ...). So giving those players free money is stupid. I'd rather see them paying Khaldor & co a better salary (or as someone earlier suggested better player intros^^). @Khaldor: Thanks for the insight ! | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On November 02 2012 11:21 Laryleprakon wrote: Super relevant post about the GOM house tt It actually is. Don't try to find excuses. If sc2 was growing, more people would be moving into gom house (foreginers and koreans from other cities). | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On November 02 2012 12:42 bokeevboke wrote: It actually is. Don't try to find excuses. If sc2 was growing, more people would be moving into gom house (foreginers and koreans from other cities). Didn't you watch the video? The reason why they are thinking about closing the GOM house (they haven't actually closed it yet, they are still thinking about it) is because the people who came over treated it as a vacation. They didn't really use the house to actually practice. | ||
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Agnosthar
631 Posts
I always got the impression from Pro player comments that the house was really bad, and a terrible place to train and live. It seems like they were just being ungrateful and needlessly negative. | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On November 02 2012 12:48 Integra wrote: Didn't you watch the video? The reason why they are thinking about closing the GOM house (they haven't actually closed it yet, they are still thinking about it) is because the people who came over treated it as a vacation. They didn't really use the house to actually practice. Why they don't practice? Have you thought about it? | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On November 02 2012 11:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote: That's not true for a lot of people. There are a number of us who thought of Brood War as the game that Koreans played, with Counterstrike as the best competitive title. Yeah. CS and Q3 were more like sport to me, until I stumbled on Korean scene. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On November 02 2012 12:51 bokeevboke wrote: Why they don't practice? Have you thought about it? Nice Strawman. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On November 02 2012 12:51 bokeevboke wrote: Why they don't practice? Have you thought about it? Naniwa, Major, Mana all said positive things about the house. All players who had at least a bit of success prior to moving to Korea. Being at least decent in the foreigner scene means that those people have a minimum of drive, motivation & self discipline to train. If you need a person to tell you to train - you were the wrong person for the GOM house. | ||
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zicoz
Norway212 Posts
These teams all have Koreans on their teams, and on top of that they have non-Koreans that wants to stay in Korea. And if they get one that's big enough they can even let other players can rent Space there. Personally I'm still waiting for the EG-response to Slayers disbanding. The newsletter hinted at something happening. Sort of a team owned MoW. | ||
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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:32 whatevername wrote: Its not bad news if it served no purpose. And it isnt a sign of anything but Gom wising up that they had a house for no fucking reason. When was the last time more than one foreigner used it for like, a week? When was the last time a GOOD foreigner used it? Honestly I can only think of when the FXO team used it like a year and a half ago. I think so too. I don't think it's necessarily a bad sign, I'm guessing foreigners just have better places to stay there now in Korea. It's no big deal. | ||
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
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sitromit
7051 Posts
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
Hehe, I had to google that word. My point wasn't actually a strawman. I wasn't misinterpreting your opinion, instead I was asking you to develop your idea, which would bring you to the same point where I am. On November 02 2012 13:08 RaiKageRyu wrote: Come on guys... There are practically no foreign players to contest in GSL anyways. It was a home for no one anymore. what about koreans who live in other cities? | ||
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BrassMonkey27
Canada616 Posts
On November 02 2012 09:20 Praetorial wrote: Umm I think desRow probably knows this stuff pretty well. Besides, GOM must have some money to spare. Just because they have money to spare doesn't mean they have to share it.. god damn some of you are so entitled and sheltered! | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On November 02 2012 12:51 bokeevboke wrote: Why they don't practice? Have you thought about it? Cause they treated it like a vacation. We are making circles here. You cannot ask why if it was explained already... | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On November 02 2012 12:51 bokeevboke wrote: Why they don't practice? Have you thought about it? Because foreigners are lazy. They're lazy in LoL too because they stream for entertainment for stream money instead of practicing to get better. That's why all the NA LoL teams got rocked at s2 finals. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On November 02 2012 13:14 bokeevboke wrote: Hehe, I had to google that word. My point wasn't actually a strawman. I wasn't misinterpreting your opinion, instead I was asking you to develop your idea, which would bring you to the same point where I am. It was not an idea or MY opinion, I stated what was said in the video. | ||
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IMHope
Korea (South)1241 Posts
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Pucca
Taiwan1280 Posts
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raser
Norway301 Posts
On November 02 2012 13:22 Canucklehead wrote: Because Americans are lazy. They're lazy in LoL too because they stream for entertainment for stream money instead of practicing to get better. That's why all the NA LoL teams got rocked at s2 finals. fixed for you :D User was warned for this post | ||
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Enzymatic
Canada1301 Posts
Pretty much all of the foreigners that made noise and made it into GSL quickly fizzled out and didn't do much of anything. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
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Beyond Magic
Finland130 Posts
right now it has 1 or 2 guys living there now and then. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44040 Posts
On November 02 2012 11:52 Khaldor wrote: Well it's not an official announcement, but I uploaded a short video about it: https://twitter.com/Khaldor/status/264194065267032064 Thanks Khaldor EDIT: After watching your video, I feel really sympathetic towards GOM for putting the time and effort and money and any other resources towards organizing that house, and then hearing about how some of the players there really pissed away their responsibilities and treated it like a vacation, rather than a hardcore training facility and an opportunity to try and become the best that they really could. I hope all the foreigners who plan on staying in Korea have other ideas for homes lined up, and it sounds like you have some as well | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:31 Hazuc wrote: So what? It's still a bad news. It clearly shows that there are problems with SC2 right now. Right, cause the only measure of success is keep paying for useless costs like the gom house. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
On November 02 2012 13:14 bokeevboke wrote: Hehe, I had to google that word. My point wasn't actually a strawman. I wasn't misinterpreting your opinion, instead I was asking you to develop your idea, which would bring you to the same point where I am. what about koreans who live in other cities? I guess there are none :D | ||
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juked
United States691 Posts
On November 02 2012 19:54 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I remember the closing was being discussed almost a year ago (at the time the word was it would probably close around october iirc), simply because most of the top tier non-koreans who came over were staying in various team houses anyway... Makes sense since GOM isn't really bringing over foreigners to compete for GSL and will continue supporting Kespa players before making accommodations for many foreigners. It is true that all top non-koreans go to team houses that are developed and are probably better for their training. GOM house was a early innovative thing they did and it helped globalize the scene a bit more but now its up to the community and blizzard to grow | ||
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TsGBruzze
Sweden1190 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:31 Hazuc wrote: So what? It's still a bad news. It clearly shows that there are problems with SC2 right now. Why is it problems with sc2? the game is the best rts out stop comparing us to moba, we will never be as big as a team game T.T people these days... maybe it should be better if sc2 was small but all the ones who were whining about that this game sucks should go away... | ||
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
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Darkong
United Kingdom418 Posts
It was to give a place for non-Koreans to stay, but now most of the time when foreign teams want to send a player(s) to Korea they enter into a partnership with a Korea based team so their player can stay and train with them, ergo the GOM house becomes less necessary. Yeah it sucks for the couple of people staying there but if it's not getting used then it's not financially worthwhile to keep something going, the money can be better spent otherwise. Get a grip people. | ||
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Beyond Magic
Finland130 Posts
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Khanz
France214 Posts
On November 02 2012 21:04 Darkong wrote: The people thinking this is a sign that the sky is falling need to activate their brains a bit. It was to give a place for non-Koreans to stay, but now most of the time when foreign teams want to send a player(s) to Korea they enter into a partnership with a Korea based team so their player can stay and train with them, ergo the GOM house becomes less necessary. Yeah it sucks for the couple of people staying there but if it's not getting used then it's not financially worthwhile to keep something going, the money can be better spent otherwise. Get a grip people. lol starcraft 2 is dying slowly, but you'll get there don't worry. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On November 02 2012 19:54 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I remember the closing was being discussed almost a year ago (at the time the word was it would probably close around october iirc), simply because most of the top tier non-koreans who came over were staying in various team houses anyway... I always thought this was strange as well; The GOM house made sense before when it was actually being used. Feels like it's become more or less a frat house now, not that surprised they are shutting it down. | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
This is just one example. Why should GOM pay the bill for a player like Desrow, who has no reasonable chance of ever qualifying or competing in GSL, so he can train and live there for free? The house rarely served its intended purpose, it's normal that they don't want to continue it. | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
On November 02 2012 21:04 Darkong wrote: The people thinking this is a sign that the sky is falling need to activate their brains a bit. It was to give a place for non-Koreans to stay, but now most of the time when foreign teams want to send a player(s) to Korea they enter into a partnership with a Korea based team so their player can stay and train with them, ergo the GOM house becomes less necessary. Yeah it sucks for the couple of people staying there but if it's not getting used then it's not financially worthwhile to keep something going, the money can be better spent otherwise. Get a grip people. Hey, I activated my brain yesterday and it has a long cooldown. Not my fault! | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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gruntrush
Canada134 Posts
On November 02 2012 23:39 Zerg.Zilla wrote: So Stephano is a homeless dude now?! at least he looks the part | ||
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Trasko
Sweden983 Posts
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NotoriousBig
Germany301 Posts
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Kilby
Finland1069 Posts
On November 02 2012 05:27 eleaf wrote: Isnt Stephano in the Gom house right now? Yes. And unfortunately now he cannot get out. | ||
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Iodem
United States1173 Posts
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
On November 03 2012 00:33 Kilby wrote: Yes. And unfortunately now he cannot get out. ^^ Seriously though, Stephano is playing ESWC in paris right now. | ||
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SXGCoil
United States341 Posts
On November 03 2012 00:49 Iodem wrote: Can't say I'm surprised, GOM made a $1500/month investment in foreign players, and not a single player from the house could even get through the Code A qualifiers. To me, the GOM house sounds like a failure, and foreigners are better off going to a Korean team house. Except for, y'know, naniwa and mana. | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
They got seeds, didn't actually qualify.. | ||
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RenSC2
United States1047 Posts
I believe Naniwa was in the Startale house when he was doing well in GSL. He hasn't looked nearly as good since leaving that house and entering the GOM house. Mana got seeded and did okay in the GSL, but it'd be hard to credit the GOM house since Mana played his GSL matches not long after arriving in Korea. It's hard to believe the training regimen actually kicked in at that point. The best part of the GOM house was housing some of the casters and players who were planning very short stays in Korea. Unfortunately, it seems that GOM never really organized the house by giving certain people (like Khaldor) official authority within the house. Imagine how different it would be if Khaldor got to decide who stays and who goes as well as the ability to recruit people to the house. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On November 03 2012 02:44 RenSC2 wrote: I believe Naniwa was in the Startale house when he was doing well in GSL. He hasn't looked nearly as good since leaving that house and entering the GOM house. Mana got seeded and did okay in the GSL, but it'd be hard to credit the GOM house since Mana played his GSL matches not long after arriving in Korea. It's hard to believe the training regimen actually kicked in at that point. The best part of the GOM house was housing some of the casters and players who were planning very short stays in Korea. Unfortunately, it seems that GOM never really organized the house by giving certain people (like Khaldor) official authority within the house. Imagine how different it would be if Khaldor got to decide who stays and who goes as well as the ability to recruit people to the house. And give Khaldor a whip to make 'em practice enough, lol. | ||
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j1nzo
Germany367 Posts
still i liked the fact that gom took care of their foreigners. | ||
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therockmanxx
Peru1174 Posts
I can knock GomTv House and ask If I can stay there but I am willing to play SC2 competitive...(lie) Awesome ! No wonder they are shutting that place kekeke | ||
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Medrea
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