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On August 04 2012 15:49 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 15:20 Blennd wrote:On August 04 2012 15:10 sertas wrote:On August 04 2012 15:07 Blennd wrote:On August 04 2012 14:47 sertas wrote:On August 03 2012 21:29 Butterednuts wrote:On August 03 2012 20:37 Champloo wrote:
People care way too much about casters in Starcraft II. Yeah because people totally don't talk about John Madden. Never, ever heard of John Madden. So i dont get what you are talking about. How come euros get to brag about being ignorant of US culture but we get shat on for not knowing about euro culture? So you know what our swedish commentators names are? I didnt know that and i dont belivie you do. Of course not. And I'm not bragging about it. Nor did I imply that because I haven't heard of someone that they aren't famous. Nor did I fail to do a simple google search that would have clearly demonstrated to you that John Madden, despite you not having heard of him, is in fact an incredibly famous and talked about commentator of American football. What do you think the reaction of euros would have been if someone had made the same post using a famous European commentator as an example, and an American said "Never heard of him, don't know what you're talking about?" There are no famous European commentators afaik. Each country obviously have their own, as English is second language if even that in all countries but UK.
Ok, so imagine an argument about political figures then. Do you think the spirit of my argument still holds true? I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed to me like the original replier thought he was super fucking cool for not knowing who John Madden was. Was the original comment being presumptuous in expecting people to have heard of John Madden? Perhaps. But I'm pretty sure a better response would be to just google John Madden and the worst thing that can happen is you learn something new. Being a snotty little shit about it isn't going to help anything, and in my experience, Americans ALWAYS get called out for being snotty little shits on culture issues (as they should), and the standards seem much more lax for Europeans. Maybe it's my own bias though.
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What... he's not a lawyer.
If he's a client... who cares? How could anyone conceive this as news?
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Let's talk about ants. I have one named Adam.
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On August 04 2012 16:18 Dracolich70 wrote:
Let's talk about ants. I have one named Adam.
Can you actually keep a pet ant? Like just a single little guy? How do you feed him? Is he in a cage, or have you built a place for him to live?
I've seen a couple walking about in the apartment, and I've always felt like I should get to know them better.
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On August 04 2012 14:13 Danglars wrote:
Old news? We already had a dJWheat cast or SOTG on it a couple of weeks ago.
SOTG is not TL forums. If there's no thread discussing this it's probably still relevant news for a lot of people.
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On August 03 2012 20:30 Technique wrote:
Now people are gonna make topics for casters team hopping? Zzz.
I don't understand why people think that if too many topics are made that are only vaguely interesting we might run out of internet?!? As long as it is information that a lot of people want to have what is the problem?
Good for them. Hopefully this helps them manage their time.
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I hope they train him to not get Artosispylowned in this clan.
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Hmm... not sure what the outcome of this will be, but on a side note(slight off-topic), whats up with casters joining teams; like Rotterdam and Axeltoss joining ROOT? I don't see the purpose of this... on the other hand Athene joined ROOT too... –_–?
maybe it's just ROOT.
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On August 04 2012 15:51 DecisionTheory wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 21:29 Butterednuts wrote:On August 03 2012 20:37 Champloo wrote:
People care way too much about casters in Starcraft II. Yeah because people totally don't talk about John Madden. Terrible argument. Just because other people do it, doesn't make it correct.
That might be true, but who are you to say that giving casters a lot of attention is incorrect? The "everybody's doing it" argument actually makes a lot of sense when you don't have an argument to go against it. In every sport you have casting personalities, whether it's American football, baseball, hockey, basketball, or whatever else. Casters are incredibly important to sports; think back to when sports were broadcasted over the radio and all there was was the caster's voice. Casters deserve attention, they get attention, getting mad that they get attention is stupid. Plus having a thread about arguably the most famous caster joining eMG deserves attention as much as if not more than some of the stuff that gets attention on this site.
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On August 05 2012 02:30 The Final Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 15:51 DecisionTheory wrote:On August 03 2012 21:29 Butterednuts wrote:On August 03 2012 20:37 Champloo wrote:
People care way too much about casters in Starcraft II. Yeah because people totally don't talk about John Madden. Terrible argument. Just because other people do it, doesn't make it correct. That might be true, but who are you to say that giving casters a lot of attention is incorrect? The "everybody's doing it" argument actually makes a lot of sense when you don't have an argument to go against it. In every sport you have casting personalities, whether it's American football, baseball, hockey, basketball, or whatever else. Casters are incredibly important to sports; think back to when sports were broadcasted over the radio and all there was was the caster's voice. Casters deserve attention, they get attention, getting mad that they get attention is stupid. Plus having a thread about arguably the most famous caster joining eMG deserves attention as much as if not more than some of the stuff that gets attention on this site.
News: "Newly received or noteworthy information, esp. about recent or important events."
@Everyone
There is no reason not to qualify this as "news" I don't see why there's even an argument about it, it seems silly. If someone doesn't like it then don't respond, and quite simply ignore it.
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On August 04 2012 20:05 Sorkoas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 14:13 Danglars wrote:
Old news? We already had a dJWheat cast or SOTG on it a couple of weeks ago.
SOTG is not TL forums. If there's no thread discussing this it's probably still relevant news for a lot of people.
I'm surprised it wasn't discussed to death already on SOTG thread (maybe it has). It's just I'm used to these things coming to prominence the second they're announced, having opinions weighed in from all sectors, and then fizzling out as interest fades. I assumed it was done to death somewhere I missed, or just not interesting to enough people to make a topic.
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On August 05 2012 02:30 The Final Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 15:51 DecisionTheory wrote:On August 03 2012 21:29 Butterednuts wrote:On August 03 2012 20:37 Champloo wrote:
People care way too much about casters in Starcraft II. Yeah because people totally don't talk about John Madden. Terrible argument. Just because other people do it, doesn't make it correct. That might be true, but who are you to say that giving casters a lot of attention is incorrect? The "everybody's doing it" argument actually makes a lot of sense when you don't have an argument to go against it. In every sport you have casting personalities, whether it's American football, baseball, hockey, basketball, or whatever else. Casters are incredibly important to sports; think back to when sports were broadcasted over the radio and all there was was the caster's voice. Casters deserve attention, they get attention, getting mad that they get attention is stupid. Plus having a thread about arguably the most famous caster joining eMG deserves attention as much as if not more than some of the stuff that gets attention on this site.
That's cool and all but I never stated that casters should get attention or should not. All I was stating was that argument was a fallacy, therefore invalid.
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On August 03 2012 20:30 Technique wrote:
Now people are gonna make topics for casters team hopping? Zzz.
wow dat post ...
1. you didn't click the link in the thread
2. you didn't read the other thread introducing emg
3. why so negative?
emg is not a team it's an organization that represents (and manages) e-sport personalities...
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Oh jesus, people in this thread are idiots.
This is in the FORUM section, therefore if someone feels he has something he wants to share he is allowed to post it so long as it follows the forums rules. If TL had released an official news release for this then sure, shit on it all you want. But this is some guy sharing something he thought others would want to know.
Also, this is an agency who now represents a major person in the SC2 world. I think this is nice to know.
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On August 04 2012 16:09 Blennd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 15:49 Euronyme wrote:On August 04 2012 15:20 Blennd wrote:On August 04 2012 15:10 sertas wrote:On August 04 2012 15:07 Blennd wrote:On August 04 2012 14:47 sertas wrote:On August 03 2012 21:29 Butterednuts wrote:On August 03 2012 20:37 Champloo wrote:
People care way too much about casters in Starcraft II. Yeah because people totally don't talk about John Madden. Never, ever heard of John Madden. So i dont get what you are talking about. How come euros get to brag about being ignorant of US culture but we get shat on for not knowing about euro culture? So you know what our swedish commentators names are? I didnt know that and i dont belivie you do. Of course not. And I'm not bragging about it. Nor did I imply that because I haven't heard of someone that they aren't famous. Nor did I fail to do a simple google search that would have clearly demonstrated to you that John Madden, despite you not having heard of him, is in fact an incredibly famous and talked about commentator of American football. What do you think the reaction of euros would have been if someone had made the same post using a famous European commentator as an example, and an American said "Never heard of him, don't know what you're talking about?" There are no famous European commentators afaik. Each country obviously have their own, as English is second language if even that in all countries but UK. Ok, so imagine an argument about political figures then. Do you think the spirit of my argument still holds true? I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed to me like the original replier thought he was super fucking cool for not knowing who John Madden was. Was the original comment being presumptuous in expecting people to have heard of John Madden? Perhaps. But I'm pretty sure a better response would be to just google John Madden and the worst thing that can happen is you learn something new. Being a snotty little shit about it isn't going to help anything, and in my experience, Americans ALWAYS get called out for being snotty little shits on culture issues (as they should), and the standards seem much more lax for Europeans. Maybe it's my own bias though.
I'm pretty sure every european knows who barrack obama is but I'm pretty sure very few americans know who the president of sweden or most other european countries is...
(sorry for continuing this totally offtopic disussin btw  )
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On August 05 2012 07:03 DecisionTheory wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 02:30 The Final Boss wrote:On August 04 2012 15:51 DecisionTheory wrote:On August 03 2012 21:29 Butterednuts wrote:On August 03 2012 20:37 Champloo wrote:
People care way too much about casters in Starcraft II. Yeah because people totally don't talk about John Madden. Terrible argument. Just because other people do it, doesn't make it correct. That might be true, but who are you to say that giving casters a lot of attention is incorrect? The "everybody's doing it" argument actually makes a lot of sense when you don't have an argument to go against it. In every sport you have casting personalities, whether it's American football, baseball, hockey, basketball, or whatever else. Casters are incredibly important to sports; think back to when sports were broadcasted over the radio and all there was was the caster's voice. Casters deserve attention, they get attention, getting mad that they get attention is stupid. Plus having a thread about arguably the most famous caster joining eMG deserves attention as much as if not more than some of the stuff that gets attention on this site. That's cool and all but I never stated that casters should get attention or should not. All I was stating was that argument was a fallacy, therefore invalid.
And why is that argument "invalid?" Please stop posting generic statements that apply in some circumstances, but not all.
Let's look at a completely different argument and try to apply the argument "everybody does it so you should do it too"
When you're talking about smoking cigarettes, the argument "Well everybody smokes cigarettes" is a pretty bad argument, but there are reasons why that argument does not work in that scenario. For starters, not everybody smokes cigarettes. Therefore, the argument is inherently flawed because it is based around a statement that is simply not true. Another argument against smoking cigarettes is that it is known that there are medical drawbacks to smoking cigarettes. Regardless of whether or not the original statement "everybody smokes cigarettes" is true or not, there are reasons against doing what the hoi polloi is doing.
Now let's apply this same logic to the argument of whether or not StarCraft 2 casters should get attention or not, but instead of the statement "everybody smokes cigarettes," we're going to say "every other sport gives attention to casters." First let's ask ourselves, is the statement true at all? The answer: yes; for the most part, just about every televised sport has it's various casting personalities. In American football, for example, you have John Madden. Now we come to our second point, which is to say, is there an argument against it? Is there a negative effect to giving casters like Artosis attention? Some people might say that there is a negative side effect, but as long as the players are getting as much attention (@LiquidRet), I think it's fair to say that there is no negative side effect to giving Artosis attention. There are threads about players joining teams and leaving teams all the time and this thread does not detract from those threads, so I really see no negative side effect.
So this still makes me wonder, what is wrong with using the argument "everybody does it" in this scenario? Also please stop using a thesaurus when you're posting, it makes the words you look up stand out really badly lol
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hmh pretty interesting to see further professionalisation in the sc2 section.
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On August 05 2012 08:28 The Final Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 07:03 DecisionTheory wrote:On August 05 2012 02:30 The Final Boss wrote:On August 04 2012 15:51 DecisionTheory wrote:On August 03 2012 21:29 Butterednuts wrote:On August 03 2012 20:37 Champloo wrote:
People care way too much about casters in Starcraft II. Yeah because people totally don't talk about John Madden. Terrible argument. Just because other people do it, doesn't make it correct. That might be true, but who are you to say that giving casters a lot of attention is incorrect? The "everybody's doing it" argument actually makes a lot of sense when you don't have an argument to go against it. In every sport you have casting personalities, whether it's American football, baseball, hockey, basketball, or whatever else. Casters are incredibly important to sports; think back to when sports were broadcasted over the radio and all there was was the caster's voice. Casters deserve attention, they get attention, getting mad that they get attention is stupid. Plus having a thread about arguably the most famous caster joining eMG deserves attention as much as if not more than some of the stuff that gets attention on this site. That's cool and all but I never stated that casters should get attention or should not. All I was stating was that argument was a fallacy, therefore invalid. And why is that argument "invalid?" Please stop posting generic statements that apply in some circumstances, but not all. Let's look at a completely different argument and try to apply the argument "everybody does it so you should do it too" When you're talking about smoking cigarettes, the argument "Well everybody smokes cigarettes" is a pretty bad argument, but there are reasons why that argument does not work in that scenario. For starters, not everybody smokes cigarettes. Therefore, the argument is inherently flawed because it is based around a statement that is simply not true. Another argument against smoking cigarettes is that it is known that there are medical drawbacks to smoking cigarettes. Regardless of whether or not the original statement "everybody smokes cigarettes" is true or not, there are reasons against doing what the hoi polloi is doing. Now let's apply this same logic to the argument of whether or not StarCraft 2 casters should get attention or not, but instead of the statement "everybody smokes cigarettes," we're going to say "every other sport gives attention to casters." First let's ask ourselves, is the statement true at all? The answer: yes; for the most part, just about every televised sport has it's various casting personalities. In American football, for example, you have John Madden. Now we come to our second point, which is to say, is there an argument against it? Is there a negative effect to giving casters like Artosis attention? Some people might say that there is a negative side effect, but as long as the players are getting as much attention (@LiquidRet), I think it's fair to say that there is no negative side effect to giving Artosis attention. There are threads about players joining teams and leaving teams all the time and this thread does not detract from those threads, so I really see no negative side effect. So this still makes me wonder, what is wrong with using the argument "everybody does it" in this scenario? Also please stop using a thesaurus when you're posting, it makes the words you look up stand out really badly lol
It is invalid because it's illogical.(ad populum). "It is logically fallacious because the mere fact that a belief is widely-held is not necessarily a guarantee that the belief is correct; if the belief of any individual can be wrong, then the belief held by multiple persons can also be wrong."
Cool once again a paragraph that means absolutely nothing towards the argument. One cannot simply defend a point by stating "others do it, so it's alright we can do it." They people could be right or wrong, it does not matter. You cannot make a logical argument by doing this.
What are you talking about, "using the thesaurus"? I did not use any word in my last sentence that was even remotely foreign. Nice ad hominen though. Seriously was this a troll, or were you serious?
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On August 04 2012 14:47 sertas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 21:29 Butterednuts wrote:On August 03 2012 20:37 Champloo wrote:
People care way too much about casters in Starcraft II. Yeah because people totally don't talk about John Madden. Never, ever heard of John Madden. So i dont get what you are talking about.
HEY HEY HEY, NONE OF THAT pls
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All he did was hire a manager/agent..
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