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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.

Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence.
TylerThaCreator
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States906 Posts
July 11 2013 16:35 GMT
#6381
On July 12 2013 00:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Blizzard recently did a wave of bans.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/9453735601#1

did this get rid of some of the people correctly identified as hackers in this thread?


I still see GEODUDE in GM and he is 100% a maphacker so I don't think they got everyone.
aka SethN
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-11 18:02:49
July 11 2013 18:02 GMT
#6382
On July 12 2013 01:35 TylerThaCreator wrote:
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On July 12 2013 00:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Blizzard recently did a wave of bans.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/9453735601#1

did this get rid of some of the people correctly identified as hackers in this thread?


I still see GEODUDE in GM and he is 100% a maphacker so I don't think they got everyone.


They will never get everyone no matter how hard they try. To think so would be quite naive.
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
Littlesheep
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada217 Posts
July 12 2013 01:31 GMT
#6383
Hacker name : Hailey
Server : NA
League : Platnum, but has played Master League
Battlenet Profile : http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4584057/1/Hailey/
Replay : http://drop.sc/348565

7:17 - Peaks the corner of the screen so he can see my pylon/warpin
7:30 - Does it again
7:54 - Pulls 10 SCVs to repair his Thor before my stalkers actually reveal themselves
9:18 - Diverts his army to A-move an unscouted proxy pylon/stalkers
9:32 - My stalkers blink away and he follows them through the FOW
9:41 - Instead of pushing toward my main, he just A-moves to the exact location of my proxy twilight council

Anyone who watches this replay will find it incredibly obvious this player is maphacking. Watch out for "Hailey" on the NA ladder.
pro toez
Maasked
Profile Joined December 2011
United States567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-12 02:01:34
July 12 2013 01:57 GMT
#6384
Hacker name: Erack
Server: NA
League: Masters
Description: So he doesnt scout once, looks @ my stalkers through fog of war quickly a few times, and builds 6 bunkers for no reason whatsoever.
I mean if you can find a good reason for how he doesnt, please tell me.
http://drop.sc/348570http://drop.sc/348570

EDIT:+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Lrg image, he admits it....
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punisherlol
Profile Joined July 2012
United States11 Posts
July 12 2013 04:13 GMT
#6385
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Rainbow Cuddles
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States486 Posts
July 12 2013 09:10 GMT
#6386
Before it slips, let it be known that DustSwarm is now known as Guitarcheese.

http://app03.sc2ranks.com/us/1640778/DuStSwarm
SpiritSTR
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Brazil41 Posts
July 12 2013 12:15 GMT
#6387
On July 08 2013 08:40 unleashed750 wrote:
Name: PwTelivolts
Server: NA
League: Master
http://drop.sc/348000

Maphacking

Very obvious, he expected an all-in, also he went fast third cause i was macroing, and everytime i was about to place my fourth base he came there with the medivacs, it's most likely not a coincidence, since the only drops he did for the whole game was focused on killing a base that he couldn't even see.

I ask someone to analize it with sc2gears.
Thanks


I saw the replay and cant say the he was using MH, you stay for a long time in 2 bases and just with queens so he probably could imagine a agression with roachs early, about your 4th base, he stay with a SCV for a long time waiting you drop a hatch, after he scout for the first time the you want expand he wait that 4th and just send marines and knows the you want that 4th so he knows if you dont expand he will be ahead, then he send the medivac while the army is moving, some thing normal to terran players.

Sorry for my english ^^
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-NeBu-
Profile Joined September 2012
Poland107 Posts
July 12 2013 18:28 GMT
#6388
Hacker name: ThongRaeGu
Server: EU
League: MASTER
Description: http://speedy.sh/eum8a/Star-Station-2.SC2Replay I think this player MapHacking, because - two actions is really strange - he make nydus and loading army to this nydus, but he dont know i attack, and i think he see on minimap my army going to him base (maphack) and unload army from nydus and go defend. 2 action is last minute, where after many many manyyyyyyyyyyyyy times he runbayed me (yayay, terran op? HAHAHAH fuckin joke) but last time he send 4 zerglings to fire widow mines (i only burrow one time) and he after XXX times send bunch of zerglings.

sr for bad english.
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
July 13 2013 01:07 GMT
#6389
On June 10 2013 06:29 kckkryptonite wrote:
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On January 22 2013 05:27 Grimmyman123 wrote:
On January 20 2013 15:57 city42 wrote:
On January 20 2013 15:37 Grimmyman123 wrote:
If you don't mind uploading a few that would be great.
Thing is, while he admits to hacking, he only admits to it having been done on a different account. That is enough proof for us, but that is not enough for Blizz for this exact account. To get a replay would be icing on the cake.

drop.sc won't let me upload a pack without signing up for some premium service, so I uploaded it here.


Player: Isuruscham aka Cham
Rank: GM
Profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2680634/1/Cham/

Several replays were provided. My note are as follows.

Daybreak LE (82)
1:20 Looks around under guise of overlord clicks
2:12 Looks around again
5:21 Moves zerglings back to address cannons to which he has no vision at his 3rd.

Antiga Shipyard (55)
10:00 Looks around in base
11:30 Looks again
12:20 Loos at army before engaging

]cloud kingdom LE (3)
6:05 - sends lings to get probe
6:07 - Peeks at gases
6:58 - Looks at Zealot
7:00 Looks at empty main
8:29 - Peeks fast
11:27 Looks at army
13:22 peeks at front of base
14:00 positions army left side of map in response to opponent movement

DAybreak (261)
1:06 Good looking around
13:09 Looks back at natural expo
13:30 - Auto inject? REALLY fast injects, 4 bases in 1 second.
14:04 - Auto inject? REALLY fast injects, 4 bases in 1 second.
15:10 - Auto inject? REALLY fast injects, 4 bases in 1 second.

Antiga Shipyard
6 Pool. Scouts lucky.

Daybreay (231)
Nothing notable, usual fascination with checking and double checking his scouting overlords and looking around where they are going.

Entombed Valley (197)
Scouts Verticle position start. (pre patch?) !!!
4:00 Frequent looks
4:45 Probe at his 3rd.
8:20 looks at front wall
12:20 looks at front wall off
15:01 Auto inject? injects so fast.
16:04 Same as above

Cloud kingdom (189)
Scouts a 4gate by protoss with no expo, and expands to his 3rd at 5:46 after protoss takes his expo. Has virtually no army.
6:30 fast peek at attack incoming
odd thing, his vision shows the timer on hallucinated phoenix. ??
19:48 Peeks at protoss 4th.

Entombed Valley (87)
5:32 peeks at front
9:00 Takes blind 4th after opponent expands with 20 lings as sole defense.

Entombed Valley (86)
6pools close by ground positions. Lucky.

Shakuras Plateau (63)
"Finds" probe with lings at 3rd
9:20 - Push moves out, no vision, instantly makes static defenses at natural and 3rd bases
13:00 Looks at observer
15:21 Peeks through Fog at stalkers shooting at rocks.

Replay # 296889 vs Revelations
-Looks at front wall severall times
-Sends lings to front wall which is not completed.

Several instances are key and are sure tells for me:
Addressing the unknown Cannons on Daybreak LE (82);
Expanding to 3rd though an impending and scouted 4gate or similar push is incoming Cloud kingdom (189);
Taking a blind 4th on Entombed Valley (87);
and the solid look at the stalkers breaking down rocks on Shakuras Plateau (63)

NOTE: This player hides peeks and looks through fog of war VERY well, under the guise of overlord or army units. One example of this is on Cloud Kingdom, as well as other maps, where he will move the army and click on the ramp or near the wall, get his look, and then move elsewhere on the map. The force sometimes is so small that it is obvious there is no intent to attack, and often times does not even poke to see what defense or units are present. This is especially evident on 4 player maps, where he will often send out the overlords to scout, and a GREAT deal of attention to the overlord scouting the proper position will be made, clicking and looking at the opponents base, though actual position not yet scouted proper.
If an overlord has vision of an area, almost always the player is looking at the fog of war near this overlord, not at what the overlord actually has vision of. Having watched MANY replays, his vision habits regarding scouting overlords is not normal or even close to it. He's constantly looking around "moving" his overlords in the opponents base and area.

My Opinion. The player is using a production tab hack and map hack and is exceedingly smart about it, and disguses most peeks as "movements" of units or overlords. Possible inject hack or assist is employed.


IMO, Cham is a definite maphacker, guy always blind counters my builds, intercepts drops. Grossly obvious.


As someone that just played Cham in an online tournament, I definitely think he is hacking. His play makes no sense and he's pretty good at moving units to stop drops with no indication of a drop coming.
ElxGuapo
Profile Joined April 2012
United States7 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 01:18:03
July 13 2013 01:16 GMT
#6390
Protoss
paoskie
Profile Joined June 2013
Philippines9 Posts
July 13 2013 18:34 GMT
#6391
Hi. Can someone tell me how I could know or what are the signs that I've been a victim of a "Drop/Tie Hack"?

Cause I played this game. I'm winning the game and I am killing his base off then suddenly I got disconnected from the game.

I then alt-tabbed to check if my internet is ok and it is. I was able to load http://teamliquid.net without any delays or such.

I also ping checked google.com via my cmd.exe and everything is well.

To those who will reply:

Thank you in advance.
In the end everyone is human.
DoeniDon
Profile Joined May 2011
Switzerland100 Posts
July 13 2013 18:44 GMT
#6392
On July 14 2013 03:34 paoskie wrote:
Hi. Can someone tell me how I could know or what are the signs that I've been a victim of a "Drop/Tie Hack"?

Cause I played this game. I'm winning the game and I am killing his base off then suddenly I got disconnected from the game.

I then alt-tabbed to check if my internet is ok and it is. I was able to load http://teamliquid.net without any delays or such.

I also ping checked google.com via my cmd.exe and everything is well.

To those who will reply:

Thank you in advance.


That can happen without any hacks involved. Random disconnects just happen in Starcraft 2, they're annoying but it is what it is.
synd
Profile Joined July 2011
Bulgaria586 Posts
July 13 2013 18:48 GMT
#6393
On July 14 2013 03:34 paoskie wrote:
Hi. Can someone tell me how I could know or what are the signs that I've been a victim of a "Drop/Tie Hack"?

Cause I played this game. I'm winning the game and I am killing his base off then suddenly I got disconnected from the game.

I then alt-tabbed to check if my internet is ok and it is. I was able to load http://teamliquid.net without any delays or such.

I also ping checked google.com via my cmd.exe and everything is well.

To those who will reply:

Thank you in advance.

Tracert the bnet servers.
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/performing-a-traceroute
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
July 13 2013 19:12 GMT
#6394
If anyone cares to look into it the barcode terran I recently played that has a 60-6 record is a hacker. Can't remember who it is but when you beat him he says "ww commander" I remember playing him on another ID earlier..

Replay shows he has screen locked (no hot key on army and vision almost never looks away from his own bases) not to mention the obvious stuff like no scout of my base / countering what I was doing and setting up defenses with no vision as army approaches.

Still beat em though
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 21:00:11
July 13 2013 20:45 GMT
#6395
Hacker name RatZTricky
Server EU
League Diamond/Master
Description
http://drop.sc/348767
This is a very obvious maphack.
4:45 he intercepts my scouting probe with mothership core and zealot outside his natural and then he moves them back to his base.
6:50 he looks through fog of war in the exact position where my warp prism is and moves his stalkers where the drop is coming.
8:15 he intercepts my warp prism again even if this time it was going to drop in a completely different position.
afiLiazn
Profile Joined February 2012
United States47 Posts
July 13 2013 21:26 GMT
#6396
Hacker name: He is a barcode (IIIIIIIII)
Server: NA
League: Masters
Description: maphacking. his unit positioning and also him going to kill widow mine @ his third twice.

starcraft://profile/1/6534452605223960576

http://drop.sc/348772
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
July 13 2013 22:01 GMT
#6397
On July 12 2013 18:10 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:
Before it slips, let it be known that DustSwarm is now known as Guitarcheese.

http://app03.sc2ranks.com/us/1640778/DuStSwarm

Sorry but why is this relevant? I don't recall or find any results of DustSwarm being a suspected hacker.
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 22:05:51
July 13 2013 22:05 GMT
#6398
On July 14 2013 07:01 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 18:10 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:
Before it slips, let it be known that DustSwarm is now known as Guitarcheese.

http://app03.sc2ranks.com/us/1640778/DuStSwarm

Sorry but why is this relevant? I don't recall or find any results of DustSwarm being a suspected hacker.


Was once mistakenly wondered about earlier in this thread, but I don't think he was ever seriously accused.

On April 28 2013 21:10 nunez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 12:44 Deadlift wrote:
On April 22 2013 06:29 nunez wrote:
On April 22 2013 05:22 avilo wrote:
On April 22 2013 05:07 RemarK wrote:
On April 21 2013 18:48 avilo wrote:
Possible hacker: Lemonsoap
http://drop.sc/326050

Check replay, besides the fact he claims he's off racing, he's quite on top of his "spade scans" if you understand my meaning. He also never scans my base, yet continues building hellions in his "TvT" opening as if he knows i'm going for the mass hellbat drop.

After this stage, here is where it gets lulzy, multiple looks into the fog of war at army positioning, as well as obvious as fuck screen locking when doing such an inane task like "lowering and raising supply depots" at his third: He also uses zero spotter marines.

Also, it seems a lot in this replay, it will "bug" and from opponent's perspective the map cursor selection will zoom way out and happen to follow my unit movements or be focused on my base. I do not know how this happens in the replay, but going back and forward multiple times, there are a lot of points where this occurs.

First thing is he happens to send all his hellions to his third to clear out the marine/hellion i left there (he has no idea this is there, or where the medivac had gone).
13:09: random spamming of building hotkeys/depots

13:17: moves his screen and keeps it where the drop is about to fly back in. First I thought he was going to queue up a depot wall, but his screen just sits still as he's looking at "something" then he queues up the depot wall after.

13:51: he scans near where he saw my army before, could be a normal scan...

14:55: selects his ebays to queue up armor upgrade, then his screen just sorta...screenlocks?

15:24: looks into fog of war, scans where my army just was (he catches tail end of a unit), i move my army through the center of the map (i never do this in my TvTs, I wanted to see if he'd just "happen" to find my army again). Well what do you know, another look into fog of war and he issues move commands to his army directly near mine (subconscious? He sees where my shiot is and tells his army to move before scanning to confirm).

Overall, never scouts my base, never scans, never drops, plays "weird." Not that i played amazing this game, but this person does not even use spotter marines and queues up 50 units at once claiming to have "amazing mechanics" lol.


Were you streaming? I don't have time to watch the replay, but if you're streaming I think the default assumption should be stream cheating instead of maphacking. I still think people accuse too often without evidence :3


The above game was not during a stream session.


i didn't have time to look through this rep, but i want to make a comment on the 'bug' you mentioned.

it's something i have noticed a lot in replays. if you want to reproduce it you follow a players camera and hit 'back' while the camera is moving. the camera will the slide in an arbitrary direction at what seems to be an arbitrary speed, and sometimes an arbitrary height until it gets some new input from the replay file (this is assumption on my part).

it's not an efficient way to gauge if someone is hacking, because you can only step back 10 and 10 seconds or 1 and 1 minutes etc, but the period of these arbitrary movements will be longer the more camera locking is involved. but beyond that i'm not sure what it really says. i am not quite sure what causes it to zoom out in some cases and not to zoom out in others.

i think if somebody wanted to find out a way to detect if a player is using camera locks, looking at frequency and length of periods with no camera input vs the length of the replay would be a good place to start.

edit:
btw willam findlay seems to be senorchang (hacker), funny how he should know him by real name and guess it was him who 'knew that account'.

and alex tarkoff = dustswarm / lemonhost i assume.


To clarify, is DuStSwarm a hacker? He's currently in the running for one of the SHOUTcraft America slots.


no. no no no no no no no.
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Nogard
Profile Joined July 2011
Italy40 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 10:44:45
July 14 2013 10:42 GMT
#6399
http://drop.sc/348845

Hacker Name: Dez
Server: EU
League: Master
Profile: starcraft://profile/2/14774302673465245696

I'm playing random in these days, I'm reporting this guy who thinks that random is really lame.
I think the chatlog says it all.

Edit: I added the maphacker infos
xxjcdentonxx
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada163 Posts
July 14 2013 21:32 GMT
#6400
(Possible/Probable) Hacker Name: Rain
Server: NA
League: Diamond
SC2 Profile Link: starcraft://profile/1/15812799115365974016
Replay: http://drop.sc/348900
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