You are in Code S for the second season in a row, tell us how you feel
I got eliminated so early last season that I forgot this is my second season of Code S in a row. I’m relieved that I was able to remain in Code S.
You played in a group of five, how was it?
The other players in the group are in the same boat, aren’t they? So, I didn’t give it much thought and focused on getting out of the group. I’m not too fussed about dropping a single game to Protoss.
What do you mean you don’t mind losing to Protoss?
Today, Vines opted for the upgrade style Protoss which everyone knows is OP. I’m sure he just a-clicked his well-upgraded units but I had a hell of a time controlling my units against that. I tried really hard and to be pushed back so easily despite that, it actually made me feel better. That’s why I wasn’t affected for subsequent games.
You took the game against Polt after a very back and forth game
I didn’t have enough time for practice after returning from MLG yesterday. I played on the ladder yesterday only to lose nine games out of ten. It made me think that it would be hard for me to advance to Code S but I decided to play good games even if I am to get eliminated. Luckily, I’m satisfied because my last game was fantastic.
Your on-the-spot decision making was outstanding
I think finding weak points in my opponent with scans was key. I feel that we should show better games compared to Kespa players. That’s why I tried even harder.
You were extremely careful at the end of that game, was it because of seeker missile?
I knew I had cancelled the upgrade but there was a possibility that Polt had restarted it. He was playing so well. I wanted to be as safe as possible.
Your goal for next season?
I have been working hard for the past 2-3 weeks but I wasn’t able to do well at MLG and felt really bad as a result. It’s fortunate that I get to return to Code S like this. This season, my goal is the finals no matter what. I think I got to ro8 about a year ago but I want the championship this time. I want to win a championship first and then play the rest of 2012 out comfortably.
How was the recent MLG?
MLG and GSL feel so different. I think that’s why I performed badly. Other than MMA falling unexpectedly early, there wasn’t anything out of the ordinary. It was a great experience in itself.
Anything to add?
I’m going back home for the first time this year and forgot to tell my teammates. Don’t freak out when I don’t return to the training house and keep practising. I’ll make sure to rest up well and return.
Your thoughts on making it into Code S after a tie breaker?
When the tie breaker was decided, I had all but given up on Code S. Luckily, it turned out well. This is my first win in the GSL since the Super tournament so it’s quite refreshing.
How did you feel about the bracket?
I never expected a tie breaker. I was planning to win 3 games in the beginning but losing the first set put a kink in the plans. I was able to advance to Code S because luck was on my side today.
Your most difficult match?
The game against Ryung. Nothing went according to plan so I had a hard time. I got nervous in the first game of the tie breaker too and forgot to research metabolic boost (T/N: zergling speed) but got lucky in the end.
You must have been on the edge of your seat watching the game between Polt and Ryung
Inside, I kept saying to myself that everything was over. Then Ryung made a comeback. He is so good. I want to take this opportunity to say thanks.
You are the only Zenex player on Code S so you must feel pressured
Of course but all my teammates are great in practice so I have faith in them. I happen to be posting the best results but I’m not very good within the team. Zenex will do really well at the qualifiers.
You got into Up and Downs with a walk-over
It felt to me like a great opportunity. I lost to MMA convincingly but Up and Downs was waiting for me and MMA being a close friend, I wasn’t too disappointed. After playing against MMA, I felt that I stood a chance against other players. I lost but that game was still very helpful.
You were experience one loss after another, didn’t that affect you mentally?
I was desperate for one win. I kept losing in GSTL and even after getting through the qualifiers, I kept going 0-2 in Code A. If I had gotten eliminated this season once again, I would have fallen into a slump. That’s why I was desperate for a win.
This is your first time in Code S, are you confident?
We’ll have to see. So far, first timers haven’t done well in Code S historically. That does worry me a bit. There seems to be something special about Code S so I will have to practise thoroughly.
You must be needed for your team to win in the upcoming GSTL
My ‘dong sang’s (T/N: Korean term for juniors) are playing much better than I am. That’s why I am sorry. If I had won just one game, we could have won as a team. I will try hard to be the ace this season.
Your play seems much better
People say that Zerg benefits from this patch but I didn’t utilise any play that is based on the patch. I think I should start researching ways to take advantage of the patch.
Anything to add?
There are many progamers out there working really hard. However, there are many times they lose before being shown on a broadcast. If the fans become critical of players at such a time, it really negatively affects the players and starts a downward spiral for them. So rather than criticising, I hope the fans cheer them on. Having said that, I hope many fans cheer on Zenex because we are practising really hard.
On May 23 2012 22:50 storywriter wrote:Today, Vines opted for the upgrade style Protoss which everyone knows is OP. I’m sure he just a-clicked his well-upgraded units but I had a hell of a time controlling my units against that. I tried really hard and to be pushed back so easily despite that, it actually made me feel better. That’s why I wasn’t affected for subsequent games.
Ryung is speaking the truth, may his words be heard all over the world.
GJ as always storywriter, I feel a little less enraged after reading about Line's situation, he did what he had to do to win which is what matters in the end, at least for the players, can't say that I hope that he gets through ro32 though.
Storywriter should really get a translator icon, you are doing such a good job with all the interviews <3 The one with Line/ Suhoshin was really interesting. I hope Zenex can make a splash in the next Code A qualifiers and finally establish some of their players in Code A. Zenex fighting!
heh Ryung makes a pity "I dont care about TvP loses since I can blame balance instead of finding ways to improve" statement and you jump on it like flies, way to go. Though on the other hand was kinda fun to read such blunt responses
On May 23 2012 23:18 stylz wrote: haha love his response to losing to toss....telling it like it is....i wonder how much shit the slayers terrans give puzzle for playing 1a toss
Probably none, since Puzzle is known to play at 300+ APM, and Ryung (and all Slayers Terrans) has a historically lackluster TvP.
On May 23 2012 23:18 stylz wrote: haha love his response to losing to toss....telling it like it is....i wonder how much shit the slayers terrans give puzzle for playing 1a toss
Probably none, since Puzzle is known to play at 300+ APM, and Ryung (and all Slayers Terrans) has a historically lackluster TvP.
52% redundant, they are still teammates though, but I doubt that Ryung or MMA think highly of him.
On May 23 2012 23:18 stylz wrote: haha love his response to losing to toss....telling it like it is....i wonder how much shit the slayers terrans give puzzle for playing 1a toss
Probably none, since Puzzle is known to play at 300+ APM, and Ryung (and all Slayers Terrans) has a historically lackluster TvP.
52% redundant, they are still teammates though, but I doubt that Ryung or MMA think highly of him.
Irrelevant, and pretty much guaranteed to be untrue, given the way Korean teammates support each other. The point is that professional Protoss players are doing anything but 1-aing, and to suggest so is spiteful, rude, and disingenuous.
On May 24 2012 00:34 pewpew444 wrote: Every terran is going to quote Ryung now for why they lose their ladder matches in silver league.
And every Protoss player will pull the "WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME PROTOSS WON GSL?!!!" and link irrelevant data over the years as a counter just like in every TvP discussion.
Ryung, Was godly in his game with Polt. And ike a boss in the picture. Also he is not afraid to tell his opinion about toss. ^_^ I really like this guy. :D Goodluck! Don't lose hope You can do better at the next MLG and Code S
On May 23 2012 23:18 stylz wrote: haha love his response to losing to toss....telling it like it is....i wonder how much shit the slayers terrans give puzzle for playing 1a toss
Probably none, since Puzzle is known to play at 300+ APM, and Ryung (and all Slayers Terrans) has a historically lackluster TvP.
52% redundant, they are still teammates though, but I doubt that Ryung or MMA think highly of him.
Irrelevant, and pretty much guaranteed to be untrue, given the way Korean teammates support each other. The point is that professional Protoss players are doing anything but 1-aing, and to suggest so is spiteful, rude, and disingenuous.
It's really relevant in the sense that you were the one that mentioned APM(I don't place that much value in APM myself), that's what I've seen from puzzle in sc2gears, though the sample size was not that great but apm tends to be stable, and regarding the 1a, everyone could see what happened in that particular engagement.
On May 23 2012 22:50 storywriter wrote:Today, Vines opted for the upgrade style Protoss which everyone knows is OP. I’m sure he just a-clicked his well-upgraded units but I had a hell of a time controlling my units against that. I tried really hard and to be pushed back so easily despite that, it actually made me feel better. That’s why I wasn’t affected for subsequent games.
Ryung is speaking the truth, may his words be heard all over the world.
A Terran and a Zerg qualify for Code S. Therefore we can conclude that Protoss is obviously overpowered.
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote: Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP
And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence
ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote: Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP
And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence
ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing
LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote: Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP
And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence
ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing
LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...
It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote: Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP
And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence
ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing
LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...
It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.
MVP has kinda stated the very same thing implicitly given the way he played TvP in the GSL.
edit: and I think a lot of player share the mentality of Ryung, acknowledging that you are playing on a much higher skill level than the protoss opponent you are losing to.
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote: Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP
And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence
ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing
LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...
It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.
Nestea? Bomber? a lot of other foreigner Ts? There are probably more but I can't remember off the top of my head.
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote: Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP
And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence
ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing
LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...
It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.
MVP has kinda stated the very same thing implicitly given the way he played TvP in the GSL.
I don't think that's true at all, and if you weren't trying to find ways to justify your own opinions about TvP, you'd agree, especially given that MVP himself not only opted for macro strats in some of his TvPs, but even said in his interview after defeating Parting that he had planned to win if games went late.
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote: Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP
And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence
ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing
LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...
It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.
Nestea? Bomber? a lot of other foreigner Ts? There are probably more but I can't remember off the top of my head.
I think we've seen foreigners lament basically everything as of late. Because Naniwa finds PvZ difficult (and I have huge sympathy for that point of view) does that mean that Zerg is OP? He also said that super late game PvT favours Terran, so what now?
Bomber has really been in a slump in general since the old days, as has Nestea.
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote: Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP
And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence
ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing
LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...
It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.
Nestea? Bomber? a lot of other foreigner Ts? There are probably more but I can't remember off the top of my head.
I think we've seen foreigners lament basically everything as of late. Because Naniwa finds PvZ difficult (and I have huge sympathy for that point of view) does that mean that Zerg is OP? He also said that super late game PvT favours Terran, so what now?
Bomber has really been in a slump in general since the old days, as has Nestea.
Given that you just refuted two posts in a row with generic "toss is not OP" arguments I'd say you are the one who is trying to justify your own opinion and ignore the elephant.
How many TvP games that were drawn out long games did MVP win ? 0 vs parting... He won a few vs squirtle, but squirtle was doing all kinds of mistakes cos of nervousness which gave MVP a considerable advantage going into the lategame. When squirtle pulled his act together MVP had to resort to a 11/11 2-rax to do the job.
In every single game in the Ro4 and finals MVP either did a 1 rax expand into fast medivacs with the very clear goal to inflict a lot of damage to the protoss or some semi all-inish cheese.
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote: Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP
And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence
ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing
LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...
It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.
MVP has kinda stated the very same thing implicitly given the way he played TvP in the GSL.
edit: and I think a lot of player share the mentality of Ryung, acknowledging that you are playing on a much higher skill level than the protoss opponent you are losing to.
I have to ask, have you seen a lot of Ryung's TvPs? Because his history in that matchup does not hold a lot of evidence to him playing a higher skill level than most Protoss.
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote: Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP
And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence
ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing
LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...
It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.
Nestea? Bomber? a lot of other foreigner Ts? There are probably more but I can't remember off the top of my head.
I think we've seen foreigners lament basically everything as of late. Because Naniwa finds PvZ difficult (and I have huge sympathy for that point of view) does that mean that Zerg is OP? He also said that super late game PvT favours Terran, so what now?
Bomber has really been in a slump in general since the old days, as has Nestea.
Given that you just refuted two posts in a row with generic "toss is not OP" arguments I'd say you are the one who is trying to justify your own opinion and ignore the elephant.
How many TvP games that were drawn out long games did MVP win ? 0 vs parting... He won a few vs squirtle, but squirtle was doing all kinds of mistakes cos of nervousness which gave MVP a considerable advantage going into the lategame. When squirtle pulled his act together MVP had to resort to a 11/11 2-rax to do the job.
In every single game in the Ro4 and finals MVP either did a 1 rax expand into fast medivacs with the very clear goal to inflict a lot of damage to the protoss or some semi all-inish cheese.
So when a Toss beats a Terran in the lategame, it's due to imbalance, but when a Terran beats a Toss in the lategame, it's because the Toss is making mistakes? Come on, that's ridiculous and you know it. There was a game MVP played against Parting that MVP had in the bag until he mismicroed and lost a lot of units. Same with the game against Squirtle where MVP went BCs. MVP was going to win in these "macro games" until he messed up, kinda like how you'd expect a balanced game to function.
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote: Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP
And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence
ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing
LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...
It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.
MVP has kinda stated the very same thing implicitly given the way he played TvP in the GSL.
edit: and I think a lot of player share the mentality of Ryung, acknowledging that you are playing on a much higher skill level than the protoss opponent you are losing to.
I have to ask, have you seen a lot of Ryung's TvPs? Because his history in that matchup does not hold a lot of evidence to him playing a higher skill level than most Protoss.
I wouldn't say "higher skill level", more like.. "more mechanically demanding".
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote: Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP
And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence
ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing
LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...
It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.
Nestea? Bomber? a lot of other foreigner Ts? There are probably more but I can't remember off the top of my head.
I think we've seen foreigners lament basically everything as of late. Because Naniwa finds PvZ difficult (and I have huge sympathy for that point of view) does that mean that Zerg is OP? He also said that super late game PvT favours Terran, so what now?
Bomber has really been in a slump in general since the old days, as has Nestea.
Given that you just refuted two posts in a row with generic "toss is not OP" arguments I'd say you are the one who is trying to justify your own opinion and ignore the elephant.
How many TvP games that were drawn out long games did MVP win ? 0 vs parting... He won a few vs squirtle, but squirtle was doing all kinds of mistakes cos of nervousness which gave MVP a considerable advantage going into the lategame. When squirtle pulled his act together MVP had to resort to a 11/11 2-rax to do the job.
In every single game in the Ro4 and finals MVP either did a 1 rax expand into fast medivacs with the very clear goal to inflict a lot of damage to the protoss or some semi all-inish cheese.
So when a Toss beats a Terran in the lategame, it's due to imbalance, but when a Terran beats a Toss in the lategame, it's because the Toss is making mistakes? Come on, that's ridiculous and you know it. There was a game MVP played against Parting that MVP had in the bag until he mismicroed and lost a lot of units. Same with the game against Squirtle where MVP went BCs. MVP was going to win in these "macro games" until he messed up, kinda like how you'd expect a balanced game to function.
It's more about the amount of mistakes the races comparatively can afford to make. If PartinG made Mvp's mistake and lost half his zealots the game wouldn't have ended. No way for Mvp to punish that as effectively as PartinG did.
That's true it was a real 1a, he never focused the vikings, even when doing so wouldn't have disrupted his stalkers at all. On this other hand I4m not sure Ryung ff'ed the colossi, iirc he was himself on amove with his vikings. Had he killed 2 more colossi, he perhaps would have defended one zealot warpin more.
Ryung ain't bad. He sometimes ladders top 15 GM games on Cella's stream and has no trouble beating Protoss. He's not doing that in real matches tho for whatever reason.
Ryung telling it how it is, Protoss have too many A + move units that are extremely powerful and do everything for you, almost no micro involved in the race, even in the highest level of GSL. Easy mode =]
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote: Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP
And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence
ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing
LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...
It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.
Nestea? Bomber? a lot of other foreigner Ts? There are probably more but I can't remember off the top of my head.
I think we've seen foreigners lament basically everything as of late. Because Naniwa finds PvZ difficult (and I have huge sympathy for that point of view) does that mean that Zerg is OP? He also said that super late game PvT favours Terran, so what now?
Bomber has really been in a slump in general since the old days, as has Nestea.
Given that you just refuted two posts in a row with generic "toss is not OP" arguments I'd say you are the one who is trying to justify your own opinion and ignore the elephant.
How many TvP games that were drawn out long games did MVP win ? 0 vs parting... He won a few vs squirtle, but squirtle was doing all kinds of mistakes cos of nervousness which gave MVP a considerable advantage going into the lategame. When squirtle pulled his act together MVP had to resort to a 11/11 2-rax to do the job.
In every single game in the Ro4 and finals MVP either did a 1 rax expand into fast medivacs with the very clear goal to inflict a lot of damage to the protoss or some semi all-inish cheese.
So when a Toss beats a Terran in the lategame, it's due to imbalance, but when a Terran beats a Toss in the lategame, it's because the Toss is making mistakes? Come on, that's ridiculous and you know it. There was a game MVP played against Parting that MVP had in the bag until he mismicroed and lost a lot of units. Same with the game against Squirtle where MVP went BCs. MVP was going to win in these "macro games" until he messed up, kinda like how you'd expect a balanced game to function.
It's more about the amount of mistakes the races comparatively can afford to make. If PartinG made Mvp's mistake and lost half his zealots the game wouldn't have ended. No way for Mvp to punish that as effectively as PartinG did.
Forcefielding half a second too late is enough to lose the game in many instances. Losing half of one's Zealots for free is definitely something that sets one back a bit, especially if Zealots are the core of one's army.
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote: Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP
And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence
ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing
LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...
It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.
Wow, Protoss hate is very strong this month. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as of right now, Protoss have the least players in next season's GSL? Hopefully, Ryung can avoid the .
On May 24 2012 03:16 SarcasmMonster wrote: Wow, Protoss hate is very strong this month. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as of right now, Protoss have the least players in next season's GSL? Hopefully, Ryung can avoid the .
they do have the least but most if not all will end up in the round of 8 probably.
On May 24 2012 03:16 SarcasmMonster wrote: Wow, Protoss hate is very strong this month. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as of right now, Protoss have the least players in next season's GSL? Hopefully, Ryung can avoid the .
they do have the least but most if not all will end up in the round of 8 probably.
I'm not sure what that would imply about the race if that were the case. Only a few but they make it to the top... has the highest skill ceiling? That doesn't seem right, lol.
On May 24 2012 03:16 SarcasmMonster wrote: Wow, Protoss hate is very strong this month. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as of right now, Protoss have the least players in next season's GSL? Hopefully, Ryung can avoid the .
Their efficiency in advancing is amazing though (5 in ro8)
On May 24 2012 03:16 SarcasmMonster wrote: Wow, Protoss hate is very strong this month. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as of right now, Protoss have the least players in next season's GSL? Hopefully, Ryung can avoid the .
Their efficiency in advancing is amazing though (5 in ro8)
On May 24 2012 03:16 SarcasmMonster wrote: Wow, Protoss hate is very strong this month. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as of right now, Protoss have the least players in next season's GSL? Hopefully, Ryung can avoid the .
Their efficiency in advancing is amazing though (5 in ro8)
remember the time 7 terrans were in the ro8 ?
That was because of the sheer numbers. There were like over 20 Terrans?
Their efficiency in advancing is amazing though (5 in ro8)
Doesn't beat Zerg. Every single one of them qualified except July.
Guess you didn't watch most of gsl season 2 (the one that just ended) where protosses were spanking zergs. Should know what you are talking about before spouting false information.
Also Ryung's comment on protoss LOL that's how I feel about it sometimes lmao :D
I think finding weak points in my opponent with scans was key. I feel that we should show better games compared to Kespa players. That’s why I tried even harder.
No holds bar on his opinions either, just straight up saying it how he sees it:
Today, Vines opted for the upgrade style Protoss which everyone knows is OP. I’m sure he just a-clicked his well-upgraded units but I had a hell of a time controlling my units against that...
On May 24 2012 03:16 SarcasmMonster wrote: Wow, Protoss hate is very strong this month. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as of right now, Protoss have the least players in next season's GSL? Hopefully, Ryung can avoid the .
Their efficiency in advancing is amazing though (5 in ro8)
On May 23 2012 22:50 storywriter wrote:Today, Vines opted for the upgrade style Protoss which everyone knows is OP. I’m sure he just a-clicked his well-upgraded units but I had a hell of a time controlling my units against that. I tried really hard and to be pushed back so easily despite that, it actually made me feel better. That’s why I wasn’t affected for subsequent games.
Ryung is speaking the truth, may his words be heard all over the world.
On May 24 2012 03:16 SarcasmMonster wrote: Wow, Protoss hate is very strong this month. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as of right now, Protoss have the least players in next season's GSL? Hopefully, Ryung can avoid the .
Their efficiency in advancing is amazing though (5 in ro8)
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote: Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP
And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence
ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing
watch ryung vs vine and tell me how he couldve stopped that despite his perfect concave, perfect spread, perfect emp...
wow, ryung. couple months of protoss being stronger and vast majority of terran players forget the year of dominance they had. Those comments just fed like 10000 trolls
On May 24 2012 04:30 SuperYo1000 wrote: wow, ryung. couple months of protoss being stronger and vast majority of terran players forget the year of dominance they had. Those comments just fed like 10000 trolls
The goal is to aim for balance, not to have "payback".
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote: Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP
And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence
ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing
LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...
It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.
MVP has kinda stated the very same thing implicitly given the way he played TvP in the GSL.
edit: and I think a lot of player share the mentality of Ryung, acknowledging that you are playing on a much higher skill level than the protoss opponent you are losing to.
Read MVP's interviews from last season. He exudes confidence when asked about the matchup, he said if it goes late-game he is comfortable. Wait what? A Terran comfortable in late game vs P? I don't even..
Time to stop whining/reading the whine and playing. HEY, may even win 4 championships or smthn.
I have to wonder what goes through these people's minds to be able to relate their losses with something a pro said and not see how that's a ridiculous thing to do in the time it takes them to write these posts.
People, if you're losing on ladder, it's because you're bad. It's not because the game is inbalanced.
It was a really entertaining night at the GOM studio. Especially in that long game between Polt and Ryung that meant so much you could really feel the tension in the air as VINES was sitting on the left-hand side player benches and Line on the right-hand side player benches, both with extra cameras pointed at them. You could really see their minds racing as they looked on to spectate an hour-long game that decided their group fate. When Line eventually came out of his booth to leave the studio, the unusually large crowd starting cheering him on. He clearly was surprised and not used to it. It felt like the entire ZeNEX team was in the audience.
Thanks for the translations! Good to see that after such a long day they still sat down to do them.
On May 24 2012 05:47 Proseat wrote: It was a really entertaining night at the GOM studio. Especially in that long game between Polt and Ryung that meant so much you could really feel the tension in the air as VINES was sitting on the left-hand side player benches and Line on the right-hand side player benches, both with extra cameras pointed at them. You could really see their minds racing as they looked on to spectate an hour-long game that decided their group fate. When Line eventually came out of his booth to leave the studio, the unusually large crowd starting cheering him on. He clearly was surprised and not used to it. It felt like the entire ZeNEX team was in the audience.
Thanks for the translations! Good to see that after such a long day they still sat down to do them.
Idk why people are taking ryung's comment about protoss so seriously. Historically he did poorly against protoss even when terran was perceived as heavily favored. He waas probably just trying to be funny since people always complain about how boring and stale he is. Nothing wrong with joking around trying to show people he has a personality. Just look at his answers. They are just over the top playful
On May 24 2012 06:03 Shellshock1122 wrote: Idk why people are taking ryung's comment about protoss so seriously. Historically he did poorly against protoss even when terran was perceived as heavily favored. He waas probably just trying to be funny since people always complain about how boring and stale he is. Nothing wrong with joking around trying to show people he has a personality. Just look at his answers. They are just over the top playful
I could see him joking like that. However, the Terrans here choose to believe him So I guess that just adds another thing to the list of things overpowered about Protoss in their opinion.
Storm, Colossus and HT, Chargelots, and now upgrades... -_-
Man the whole time I was watching last night I was confused as to who that Zerg was. I just realized it was Line. Glad he made it through!
On May 24 2012 05:09 RageCommodore wrote: One race has more players in the ro8 than the other ones for one GSL season. Everybody cries "IMBA". I see a pattern here.
On May 24 2012 06:13 FidoDido wrote: MVP doesn't complain about the match ups because he is a bonjwa. Bonjwas don't whine about imbalances, they just win then win some more.
Actually, I believe there was an interview where he also stated something along the lines of "protoss is too strong." Look it up.
On May 24 2012 06:13 FidoDido wrote: MVP doesn't complain about the match ups because he is a bonjwa. Bonjwas don't whine about imbalances, they just win then win some more.
Actually, I believe there was an interview where he also stated something along the lines of "protoss is too strong." Look it up.
IN his GSL interview he said he planned to win in the lategame and made no mention of Protoss being OP. Either supply a counter-point or don't bother injecting inflammatory, baseless assertions.
On May 24 2012 06:13 FidoDido wrote: MVP doesn't complain about the match ups because he is a bonjwa. Bonjwas don't whine about imbalances, they just win then win some more.
Actually, I believe there was an interview where he also stated something along the lines of "protoss is too strong." Look it up.
IN his GSL interview he said he planned to win in the lategame and made no mention of Protoss being OP. Either supply a counter-point or don't bother injecting inflammatory, baseless assertions.
nope, MVP has stated that protoss is OP. not in his recent interviews but he said something along the lines of my win rate is good TvP but that's only becuase I was lucky, protoss is actually too strong
On May 24 2012 06:13 FidoDido wrote: MVP doesn't complain about the match ups because he is a bonjwa. Bonjwas don't whine about imbalances, they just win then win some more.
Actually, I believe there was an interview where he also stated something along the lines of "protoss is too strong." Look it up.
IN his GSL interview he said he planned to win in the lategame and made no mention of Protoss being OP. Either supply a counter-point or don't bother injecting inflammatory, baseless assertions.
nope, MVP has stated that protoss is OP. not in his recent interviews but he said something along the lines of my win rate is good TvP but that's only becuase I was lucky, protoss is actually too strong
You know, weirdly enough the most positive thing I take from watching this up-and-down group is gom finally adding anti-spoiler videos to camouflage the number of games that were played in the tiebreakers. That, and finally seeing Ryung in code S again!!!
On May 24 2012 05:47 Proseat wrote: It was a really entertaining night at the GOM studio. Especially in that long game between Polt and Ryung that meant so much you could really feel the tension in the air as VINES was sitting on the left-hand side player benches and Line on the right-hand side player benches, both with extra cameras pointed at them. You could really see their minds racing as they looked on to spectate an hour-long game that decided their group fate. When Line eventually came out of his booth to leave the studio, the unusually large crowd starting cheering him on. He clearly was surprised and not used to it. It felt like the entire ZeNEX team was in the audience.
Thanks for the translations! Good to see that after such a long day they still sat down to do them.
sounds awesome! would have been a tad better had he shown better games, but THE THING :D
On May 24 2012 06:03 Shellshock1122 wrote: Idk why people are taking ryung's comment about protoss so seriously. Historically he did poorly against protoss even when terran was perceived as heavily favored. He waas probably just trying to be funny since people always complain about how boring and stale he is. Nothing wrong with joking around trying to show people he has a personality. Just look at his answers. They are just over the top playful
I could see him joking like that. However, the Terrans here choose to believe him So I guess that just adds another thing to the list of things overpowered about Protoss in their opinion.
Storm, Colossus and HT, Chargelots, and now upgrades... -_-
Man the whole time I was watching last night I was confused as to who that Zerg was. I just realized it was Line. Glad he made it through!
I think most people will agree Ryung doesn't have the strongest TvP in terms of pros. When looking at that 200/200 engagement, it does show an issue with late game Terran though. I think a Terran could've came out ok there if they would have kited, split better, etc. The problem is, Vines did practically nothing, except abuse splash damage and chronoboost on upgrades. I think the solution of buffing T3 units is terrible though. It will create the most stale game in the world of two players literally 1aing into their opponent. I'm fine with Protoss units being that powerful IF utilized very well, similar to how bio is.
On May 23 2012 23:18 stylz wrote: haha love his response to losing to toss....telling it like it is....i wonder how much shit the slayers terrans give puzzle for playing 1a toss
Probably none, since Puzzle is known to play at 300+ APM, and Ryung (and all Slayers Terrans) has a historically lackluster TvP.
52% redundant, they are still teammates though, but I doubt that Ryung or MMA think highly of him.
Sheehs, just a few months ago people had threads asking why everyone on Slayers hated MMA so much*. This is super tight-knit team that isn't afraid to rib each other in public (or each other's races).
Although MMA picking Yugioh during his sole Code S appearance is still a little weird to me.
* Ryung even said he was going to stop making fun of MMA b/c everyone was taking him too seriously
If only Puzzle A-moved Maru like what Ryung said...
lol just joking. I support what Ryung said, but i believe he is just like me - not giving up the match up. Although he lost to Vines but he didn't play like he was giving up wasnt it
On May 24 2012 06:03 Shellshock1122 wrote: Idk why people are taking ryung's comment about protoss so seriously. Historically he did poorly against protoss even when terran was perceived as heavily favored. He waas probably just trying to be funny since people always complain about how boring and stale he is. Nothing wrong with joking around trying to show people he has a personality. Just look at his answers. They are just over the top playful
I could see him joking like that. However, the Terrans here choose to believe him So I guess that just adds another thing to the list of things overpowered about Protoss in their opinion.
Storm, Colossus and HT, Chargelots, and now upgrades... -_-
Man the whole time I was watching last night I was confused as to who that Zerg was. I just realized it was Line. Glad he made it through!
I think most people will agree Ryung doesn't have the strongest TvP in terms of pros. When looking at that 200/200 engagement, it does show an issue with late game Terran though. I think a Terran could've came out ok there if they would have kited, split better, etc. The problem is, Vines did practically nothing, except abuse splash damage and chronoboost on upgrades. I think the solution of buffing T3 units is terrible though. It will create the most stale game in the world of two players literally 1aing into their opponent. I'm fine with Protoss units being that powerful IF utilized very well, similar to how bio is.
Totally agree, I really dont think we should make terran stronger or protoss weaker, I think the issue is control, make the toss deathball require a little higher skill/apm to really use effectively, relative to the terran bio/med/ghost/viking control
Ryung used to be my favorite Slayers player, but his crying about Protoss just reminded me of how awful the LR thread for this Season of GSL and the Up/Downs have been. Oh well, he'll fall out in the Ro32 of Code S anyways. Grats to Line, loved him in the Super Tournament.
wow, ryung's interview got so much attention... just remember that ryung's a guy who likes to joke around and he sounded like he was in Korean. Maybe I wasn't able to portray that properly.
On May 24 2012 11:12 storywriter wrote: wow, ryung's interview got so much attention... just remember that ryung's a guy who likes to joke around and he sounded like he was in Korean. Maybe I wasn't able to portray that properly.
Behind every joke is a grain of truth!
I actually thought you captured the mood perfectly
On May 24 2012 11:12 storywriter wrote: wow, ryung's interview got so much attention... just remember that ryung's a guy who likes to joke around and he sounded like he was in Korean. Maybe I wasn't able to portray that properly.
Don't take it to heart - there seems to be a bunch of Terran players around TL at the moment who'll take any excuse to fill threads with balance whining. You're right that this thread deserves better, though. If you see anyone mucking up the thread with balance rants you're probably best off just reporting it to the mods. These translation threads you provide are great, and I hate to see one ruined like this.
On May 24 2012 00:34 pewpew444 wrote: Every terran is going to quote Ryung now for why they lose their ladder matches in silver league.
And every Protoss player will pull the "WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME PROTOSS WON GSL?!!!" and link irrelevant data over the years as a counter just like in every TvP discussion.
Keep on beating that dead horse son...
Balance at the top level matters so much more than balance at diamond league
It's funny how every Terran player is quoting him lol. I guess they need a place to try to make their race look weak to get buffs!
Look at BW Protoss. It was OP in casual bnet level, and even D-rank Iccup level, but it was actually not the case at progamer level. I might actually even say UP at progamer level.
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