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Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
December 20 2011 22:36 GMT
#121
I like your casting! There are still some points you can improve on though, like mentioned before you're saying "That guy" and "That game" a lot. But I don't want to nitpick too much I'm sure you'll read through this thread and improve as much as you can :D.
Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
December 20 2011 22:43 GMT
#122
I think that both you and moletrap need to work on expanding your pregame talk beyond just statistics. I know that they are easy to get and basically a way of showing that you've done your homework. But please try and talk about their styles instead of just the numbers broken down in the matchup. Other than that I think your doing fine.
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ChriseC
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany440 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 22:48:28
December 20 2011 22:43 GMT
#123
sometimes i feel like u could "interact" abit more with ur cocaster. also ur "shouting" style of casting sometimes doesnt fit the more calm casting style from the rest of the casters.
for example: sometimes wolf was trying to explain something and suddenly something exciting happened and it seemed like u were interupting him by "AND HERE ......".

edit: sometimes i feel like theres something like "overexcitement". tastosis handles this perfectly imo. they cast much more calm and "regular" in groupstage play than they do in the finals, but sometimes i feel like u try to make everygame a final. i dont see that much more difference in the games u are casting

but still good casting.
SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
December 20 2011 22:47 GMT
#124
I really love your enthusiasm and your knowledge and experience with casting... Keep it up Doing great you and doa are the only Casters I like that do Code A.
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MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
December 20 2011 22:48 GMT
#125
When Khaldor gets excited, he sounds like the medic from TF2. I like it.
RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
December 20 2011 22:52 GMT
#126
On December 21 2011 07:43 Advocado wrote:
I think that both you and moletrap need to work on expanding your pregame talk beyond just statistics. I know that they are easy to get and basically a way of showing that you've done your homework. But please try and talk about their styles instead of just the numbers broken down in the matchup. Other than that I think your doing fine.


This ^. Additionally, its been a huge crutch for casters to speak in terms of supply/army size instead of why they have such a large army/supply lead.
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krooked
Profile Joined May 2011
376 Posts
December 20 2011 22:55 GMT
#127
I was very skeptical when I first saw Khaldor was casting. "Oh noes another person with bad english which I don't even know who is!? gaaaa".

First cast absolutely blown away. When its code A I always cross my fingers that Khaldor is one of the casters. Great enthusiasm, good knowledge and all in all just a great style. I love how thorough he is with looking at stats and just constantly keeping the viewers up to date with what we should expect coming into this game, and pointing out differences in play. Very very impressed.
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
December 20 2011 23:04 GMT
#128
Voted doing great, probably my favourite Code A caster atm. You seem to have a pretty good idea of whats going on in Korean scene already even though my impression of you previously was that you were pretty focused in europe pre-korea.

I'm not bothered by your accent personally but you could work on your english pronounciation and vocabulary a little bit, some invidiual words there and here just seem quite off.
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 23:20:00
December 20 2011 23:18 GMT
#129
I like your casts. I just wish the GOM English casters weren't so biased when it comes to foreigner matches. Like there will be moments where they will commentate that <insert foreigner player> is playing really well when in reality they are getting DESTROYED, but those rose-shaded glasses prevent them from acknowledging the fact that the Korean player is actually winning the match.

This isn't directed at Khaldor in general, but to all the casters. I really don't like it because sometimes I'll get confused as if the casters are giving off the image that the Korean player is losing the game. In reality though the foreigner player leave the game a couple minutes later. I understand the passion to watch foreigners show that they can compete on the same level as the Korean players, but I don't think the commentators should be so focused on the foreigner during the matchup.

Again I'm not trying to single out a single commentator I just wanted to throw that out to all of the GOM casters. Summary: Casters need to avoid too much biased favoritism.
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Iwbhs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States195 Posts
December 20 2011 23:29 GMT
#130
You frequently misjudge the effect or cause of things that happen in game. A protoss snipes 3-5 queens early on and you call it bad harass because they only killed 2 drones. Later when the Zerg has no larvae you are actually confused why they lost. I frequently turn off the volume and just watch the game hoping that you keep an eye on the mini map and just leave the production tab open.
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Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 23:47:03
December 20 2011 23:43 GMT
#131
On December 21 2011 07:34 creepcolony wrote:
Hey Khaldor,

voted "Doing great.." obviously.

But theres one big issue i have with your casts, and that really a big one: You could do way better with your pronounciation. I know its quite hard, but perhaps just try to put more effort in pronouncing every single word carefuly.

I heard a good way to train that is to pronounce single words extremely and slowly. Like overdoing it. Every single part of the word. Over and over. You can do it here and there. Doesnt require much effort. Helped me quite a bit i would say.

Although its pretty easy to get sloppy with the pronounciation when youre actually speaking. Especially in tense situations which you encounter quite often while casting

It takes a lot of practice to talk as fast as Khaldor and to still pronounce every word correctly. He is doing fine so far and one can already hear improvement. And a bit of an accent is likely to remain and no problem at all imo.
So yeah, good job Khaldor
RespectTheNerd
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden64 Posts
December 20 2011 23:49 GMT
#132
my only complaint is that you scream or shout to much in the not so exciting moments of the game and sometimes it feels like you dont give your co-caster a chance to talk, but thats not so often. you are also one of my favorite shoutcasters so i hope you really work on this so you can get even better :D
keep up with the amazing work
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Makelius
Profile Joined June 2011
76 Posts
December 21 2011 00:14 GMT
#133
I hate to hear you repeat yourself all the time, it feels like you are just filling time with repeating the same sentence by saying it slower and with deeper tone.
nimbim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany985 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 00:20:49
December 21 2011 00:18 GMT
#134
I voted "Doing average and has to improve!" but only because I think theres plenty of room to improve, even though you do a better than average job.
I cannot stand the German accent, it sounds horrible to me, but I don't think anyone can fault you for that. English lessons in German public schools are just bad. Your over-excitement in absolutely non-critical moments simply seems ridiculous to me, like you feel obligated to shout, which you really aren't. Other than that I think you are as good as Wolf and you+Wolf would make a better combo than anything we have in Code A.
RoboBob
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States798 Posts
December 21 2011 00:26 GMT
#135
The best feedback I can give is to focus on how good the players play, instead of how bad the players play.

You are very honest with your commentary, focusing on the player's mistakes. But when you focus on mistakes all the time, it creates a negative viewing experience. The most successful casters such as Day9 and Artosis are successful because they keep the mood positive even in ridiculously one-sided games.

Its good to be brutally honest when coaching, but its bad when broadcasting. I don't want to hear about how terrible the players are (even if its true), I want to hear how awesome they are.
Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
December 21 2011 00:26 GMT
#136
love Khaldor
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Swilvan
Profile Joined March 2011
113 Posts
December 21 2011 00:35 GMT
#137
Because you said on stream that you read this stuff, I'm gonna act like you're actually gonna get through 7 pages and find this comment Khaldor. I think most of the times you're a pretty good caster. I've only got a really simple rather stupid example of this but I'm gonna make the point anyway since I think it might help you.
Your english could do with some improvements, I know that's really hard to work on and that probably the only thing that's gonna help is doing english commentary and interaction with native speakers (which I guess you're doing quite a bit) but the small example that stuck out to me today when I was watching some up&down matches for GSL is that you often refer to the current game as "that game". For example you will same something like: "...not the best decision in that game" where I think it'd be more natural to refer to "this game" since it's the one we're currently watching.
Anyway, keep doing what you do because you're pretty good at it imo.
CheshireCat
Profile Joined September 2011
Denmark13 Posts
December 21 2011 00:41 GMT
#138
I love your casting! You create tons of excitement for the viewer and that's exactly what a casters job is. Though most of your casting is good, i sometime tend to dislike the "machine gun" style you use. The reason for this is that if you're a casting team it can be very hard for your co-caster to interject, relax a bit more when it comes to that...though it's perfectly fine for single casting

Cheers, Ches
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Honeybadger
Profile Joined August 2010
United States821 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 00:46:00
December 21 2011 00:43 GMT
#139
My only, ONLY gripe, Khaldor, is when you cast with Moletrap (whom I can't STAND) you start to emulate his method of rising pitch and volume whenever something climactic happens, and pointing out too-obvious things. Talking gets faster and higher pitched and louder until you're shouting almost incoherently, and when the action backs off, you start all over again. It's why I can't stand moletrap's casting at all.

Also, there's just a little too much "he's building X now, to try and get (insert obvious thing associated with X here)" I'd like a little more opinion and insight into strategy and its efficacy, like you did on ryung vs bomber. You kept calling his all-in bad, which was very right, and kept harping on the xel'naga. But there was so much more you could have talked about, too. Because it was seriously one of the most derp attacks I've ever seen in GSL. When you point out that the protoss is getting a templar archive so he can get templar and storm, when the building is right in front of me on screen and the cameraman has even highlighted it, it's a little "well, durr." Better spent time would be describing things happening off-camera (but I don't know if you're both stuck watching exactly what we see or not anymore)

These complaints are very minor, though. Don't take them too harshly. I still enjoy your casts immensely, even with the flailing lunatic that is moletrap at your side. Just take a page from kelly's book and slow down how fast you talk sometimes, because with your accent it can get hard to understand.
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
December 21 2011 00:43 GMT
#140
I chose the "doing average and has to improve" only because the alternatives are worse to describe what I meant. Sure, the casting has a few aspects which should be improved upon (who can say that they are perfect?) but it's still very good casting and I enjoy your casts.

The only things I would think about are: a) proper language: swearing and overly insulting phrases are inferior to more sophisticated descriptions, which would make the cast both more informative and more pleasant to listen to, b) bias, I do not think there is actual bias due to your race preferences, it's just that a listener will often get the feeling that there is bias, probably because you concentrate on one side more than the other during the match, for example explaining the match from a Zerg point of view throughout. The only reason why this is bad, is that it makes it more difficult to root for the other guy. It's great for analytical casting, though.

Keep up the good work!
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