HOUSTON, Texas — December 2, 2011 — Today, Quantic Gaming regretfully announces the dissolution of our partnership with the South Korean StarCraft II team, Incredible Miracle.
The Quantic Incredible Miracle partnership, established on October 21st this year, made Quantic the official representative organization for Incredible Miracle internationally. Through the partnership, Incredible Miracle players attended two foreign events – Blizzcon 2011, and MLG Providence 2011.
Despite the end of this partnership, no hard feelings or ill-will exist between Quantic and Incredible Miracle. It should be emphasized that the decision to dissolve the partnership was made jointly between both organizations, and is being announced formally this quickly out of a genuine sense of obligation and appreciation for the outstanding support shown by our fans and friends.
Kang Dong-hoon, Incredible Miracle’s coach and manager, had this to say in regards to the end of the partnership:
"I am deeply sorry – to all the QIM fans who have supported us – for having to announce the end of this partnership. I really hope that in the future Quantic will become the best international eSports team. We will both seek to maintain a good relationship and I hope to stay friends in the future. I highly appreciate Mark and our friends at Quantic for their kind support, understanding and sincere cordiality."
Quantic Founder & CEO, Mark Ferraz, made the following statement regarding this monumental, yet unfortunately short-lived alliance:
“I regret that our time together was short; both of us were sincere when we initially expressed our desire for a deep & lengthy partnership. I am glad, however, that the time our teams had together was enjoyable and productive - especially the QIM Fan Event we held at Providence. Together, we will complete our immediate participatory competition obligations that remain, as well as continue to support one another into the future through friendship.”
Quantic wishes Mr. Kang and Incredible Miracle all the best in their future endeavors in Korea and beyond. Despite the conclusion of the partnership, Quantic’s StarCraft II roster remains unaffected. Both Quantic and Incredible Miracle are looking forward to a bright and successful future, even if we are unable to share that future together.
Oh wow, I did not see this news coming at all....this is very sad. I was hoping SaSe would become IM's star Protoss along with MVP and NesTea for their respective races.
Best of luck to both teams in the future though! Will SaSe still stay at the IM house in Korea, or will he go back to the GOM house?
Wow even Kim Kardashian's marriage lasted longer than Quantic-IM. I wonder what caused the split. At least both sides were professional about it so as not to cause a shitstorm on the forums.
Well that sucks. I wanted to see MVP, Nestea and them at more foreign events. Now that's in serious doubt. I really wonder why they split. Times like these is when I wish there were no fluff reporters around like Kennigit has suggested so we get the real story instead of the nice PR, we decided to part, but we'll still be BFFs for life, don't worry, blah blah blah.
Is SaSe still gonna be able to stay at the IM house? I think that the IM partnership was at least partly the reason he joined so this is kinda shitting him over if he can't imo. And why did they split? Some internal disagreements or did IM find some one "better"? Really curious:O
Sadly I've always felt this relationship was a bit one-sided where IM is this really hot supermodel girlfriend and quantic is just average joe. I feel bad for Destiny most of all people, as he said he only joined Quantic when they promised a partnership with IM.
On December 03 2011 04:38 red4ce wrote: Wow even Kim Kardashian's marriage lasted longer than Quantic-IM. I wonder what caused the split. At least both sides were professional about it so as not to cause a shitstorm on the forums.
On December 03 2011 04:38 red4ce wrote: Wow even Kim Kardashian's marriage lasted longer than Quantic-IM. I wonder what caused the split. At least both sides were professional about it so as not to cause a shitstorm on the forums.
That was literally my post, word for word. But I guess it was too obvious. Well played, red4ce, well played.
On December 03 2011 04:38 red4ce wrote: Wow even Kim Kardashian's marriage lasted longer than Quantic-IM. I wonder what caused the split. At least both sides were professional about it so as not to cause a shitstorm on the forums.
Very unfortunate, almost seems shady considering i doubt destiny or SaSe would have signed to quantic without this partnership, I hope quantic has something else lined up for them in korea (sase especially).
On December 03 2011 04:38 red4ce wrote: Wow even Kim Kardashian's marriage lasted longer than Quantic-IM. I wonder what caused the split. At least both sides were professional about it so as not to cause a shitstorm on the forums.
That was literally my post, word for word. But I guess it was too obvious. Well played, red4ce, well played.
Wow, completely unexpected... It was a pretty awesome partnership imo.
On December 03 2011 04:41 CryMeAReaper wrote: Is SaSe still gonna be able to stay at the IM house? I think that the IM partnership was at least partly the reason he joined so this is kinda shitting him over if he can't imo. And why did they split? Some internal disagreements or did IM find some one "better"? Really curious:O
This is also the first thing i thought of... what happens with Sase. He's one of my favorite players, i really hope he can stay at a Korean team house.
Well shit this is terrible news. During the torrent of announcements with players joining different teams and various partnerships being formed, this was the one I was most stoked about. Sad, but also a little funny considering that introductory interview with that hilarious quantic translator xD
On December 03 2011 04:38 red4ce wrote: Wow even Kim Kardashian's marriage lasted longer than Quantic-IM. I wonder what caused the split. At least both sides were professional about it so as not to cause a shitstorm on the forums.
Oh my. Golden right here, LOL! I also wonder what caused the split-up. Shame though..
It could be that one team wanted both team mergered into one (Archon) with all the consequences that would have to finances, sponsors, tournament line-ups and so on and the other team wanted to keep it at the current level.
It could be that status quo was unacceptable to one or both parties and they couldn't find a shared vision of the future.
I hope Sase will be able to get good practice in Korea despite this. Best of luck to him, to IM and to QxG.
On December 03 2011 04:38 red4ce wrote: Wow even Kim Kardashian's marriage lasted longer than Quantic-IM. I wonder what caused the split. At least both sides were professional about it so as not to cause a shitstorm on the forums.
Oh my. Golden right here, LOL! I also wonder what caused the split-up. Shame though..
Really interested in what caused this... hopefully we can get some more info ...
Does the quality of the players on QXC really matter, when they are mostly just paying for IM players to travel and compete internationally (something KR teams don't seem to have the cash for)...
I don't know, but then I also don't know why there isn't more merch for KR sc2 teams and all the like ... oh well.
I was really looking forward to seeing MVP and Nestea and other IM players at more events, if thats not happening it's a big hit for the scene, I mean they are the 2 most succesful SC2 players to date.
On December 03 2011 04:47 Dodgin wrote: So is SaSe going to be stuck in the gom house forever now?
Poor SaSe. I've heard alot of... Stories... About the GOM house.
I keep hearing this. Please post some because everyone just says they've heard "stories." The people need to know. I know naniwa called it the caster's house and sase said he wished he could take sound proof headphones home with him to use in the gom house all day.
On December 03 2011 04:55 TensaiSakuragi wrote: Looks lile Mvp and NesTea decided to never attend any foreign tournaments again due to their poor results in foreign competitions.
First and second at blizzcon is pretty poor results.
On December 03 2011 04:38 red4ce wrote: Wow even Kim Kardashian's marriage lasted longer than Quantic-IM.
man that got me laughing :D.
Back on topic, it's such a shame to see such a potentially great partership ended so early. I am also interested in what happened that could have caused this.
On December 03 2011 04:55 TensaiSakuragi wrote: Looks lile Mvp and NesTea decided to never attend any foreign tournaments again due to their poor results in foreign competitions.
that doesn't make sense though, lol. because i'm sure they want a chance at every championship they get, and they practice just as much if not more as foreigners.
On December 03 2011 04:55 TensaiSakuragi wrote: Looks lile Mvp and NesTea decided to never attend any foreign tournaments again due to their poor results in foreign competitions.
1st at blizzcon, 1st at Anaheim and 4th at providence are poor results for MVP?
On December 03 2011 04:55 TensaiSakuragi wrote: Looks lile Mvp and NesTea decided to never attend any foreign tournaments again due to their poor results in foreign competitions.
1st at blizzcon, 1st at Anaheim and 4th at providence are poor results for MVP?
For Mvp anything other than first in an dominating fashion is a poor result! The man is THAT good Sad news, I hope that SaSe will be able to play in good conditions
Wow that sucks. I have a feeling it was money related as I can only imagine how much it costed to bring 2 koreans to the states for MLG then back and they aren't gaining much from it.
On December 03 2011 04:55 TensaiSakuragi wrote: Looks lile Mvp and NesTea decided to never attend any foreign tournaments again due to their poor results in foreign competitions.
1st at blizzcon, 1st at Anaheim and 4th at providence are poor results for MVP?
haha thats what i was gonna say.
really sad about this though. Can we get a reason why? I mean this seems so out of the blue. What happens with Sase? And Destiny? We need some more info please.
So. Sase joined Quantic, most likely for the amazing opportunity to practice at the IM-house, and he gotta feel darn cheated now. I really, as a fellow swede, feel sad for him and to be quite frank. What. The. Fuck. What can possibly occur during the first month of cooperation that couldn't have been thought about on beforehand. Seriously, it just looks really bad for both of the clans..
On December 03 2011 04:55 TensaiSakuragi wrote: Looks lile Mvp and NesTea decided to never attend any foreign tournaments again due to their poor results in foreign competitions.
First and second at blizzcon is pretty poor results.
4'th at MLG is nice to considering he has RSI and had to play a marathon of games.
Oh well, shame about your partnership hope you find some other way to send players to korea
On December 03 2011 04:55 TensaiSakuragi wrote: Looks lile Mvp and NesTea decided to never attend any foreign tournaments again due to their poor results in foreign competitions.
1st at blizzcon, 1st at Anaheim and 4th at providence are poor results for MVP?
On December 03 2011 04:55 TensaiSakuragi wrote: Looks lile Mvp and NesTea decided to never attend any foreign tournaments again due to their poor results in foreign competitions.
1st at blizzcon, 1st at Anaheim and 4th at providence are poor results for MVP?
This is horrible. Dreadful player, waster of money sending him... Nah seriously, people 'tend'/always blow shit out of proportion. Shame about this but let's hope Sase will be able to stay with IM.
Honestly I can't say I'm surprised. I didn't really expect IM (the hottest team in the world for a while now) to stay partnered with a team unless there was a lot of money involved. I mean as it is, IM already has the 2 best players in the world, plus losira and other very strong players, and they already have pretty good sponsors as far as I know, so there really isn't that much they need. And Quantic being a fairly new team, it's understandable that they wouldn't have the heaps of money to throw at IM.
Making a public statement without actually saying anything or releasing some sort of information seems to become a bad habit... I guess we need some esports journalists to investigate or something.
Oh and poor Sase. I hope he can stay at the IM house to practise T.T
QG and IM seemed like an incredibly strange partnership from the get-go. Whereas with EG and SlayerS, it feels like this East meets West megazord forming, QIM seemed to be an incongruent puzzle that, if completed, only SaSe would truly benefit from.
I think this is a good choice. IM seemed to be doing just fine with sending their players to foreign events before the partnership. I'm assuming they're in a viable if not favorable financial position now too considering this dissolution.
quantic didn't seem like a team that had potential to be champions or even have motivation to, atleast compared to IM so i didn't really see it as a good fit from the beginning
maybe after those 2 events IM decided they don't like the international travel, nestea was visibly upset for a few reasons and perhaps they just don't like the travel to a weekend tournament in unfavorable conditions compared to their gsl games.
Well this is unfortunate, I hope that QxG finds another korean team to partner with, and I hope we continue to see NesTea and MVP in foreign tournaments, god bless all and I wonder what will happen with destiny and sase now... hopefully everything works out. o.o
On December 03 2011 05:02 JayJay_90 wrote: Making a public statement without actually saying anything or releasing some sort of information seems to become a bad habit... I guess we need some esports journalists to investigate or something.
Oh and poor Sase. I hope he can stay at the IM house to practise T.T
Agreed. We are not asking for the inner-workings of team management here, but at least give us some reason even if it is general or vague (financial reason, different goals, etc..). This press release says nothing.
I'd never seen this interview before (http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/78346-blizzcon-2011-quantic-gaming-and-incredible-miracle-partnership) but after watching it it makes me really sad to see the partnership has ended so soon, considering their lofty future goals.
It would be nice to receive a bit of transparency about the situation sooner rather than later.
Damn that sucks. Destiny finally found a good team, and cited the IM partnership as a major reason for him signing. I wonder if he'll be inclined to stick around, I think he's got a easy legal way out if he wants it.
On December 03 2011 04:38 red4ce wrote: Wow even Kim Kardashian's marriage lasted longer than Quantic-IM. I wonder what caused the split. At least both sides were professional about it so as not to cause a shitstorm on the forums.
Got me with that one haha. I wonder why it was so short :/
@Slasher Rod Breslau Destiny heads to Korea. Quantic Gaming Owner Mark Ferraz will be on !@#$ Slasher tonight to discuss everything. Waiting on comment from IM.
Things should get cleared up soon, which is nice to hear.
On December 03 2011 05:12 milesfacade wrote: @Slasher Rod Breslau Destiny heads to Korea. Quantic Gaming Owner Mark Ferraz will be on !@#$ Slasher tonight to discuss everything. Waiting on comment from IM.
Things should get cleared up soon, which is nice to hear.
Things rarely get cleared up. If they put out a press release with so little substance, it's unlikely we'll get that much more out of Slasher's show. We'll get more than this, but not a lot more unless Slasher decides to go all David Frost on Ferraz.
On December 03 2011 05:16 Executor1 wrote: Sase kind of got screwed, im pretty sure he joined QXG under the impression he was going to get a practice house with IM.
This leaves him in a pretty bad situation with him being in korea ><
I think the same would go for SaSe legally as I mentioned about Destiny, the circumstances are changed now, and the spirit of the contract has been blown apart.
On December 03 2011 04:55 TensaiSakuragi wrote: Looks lile Mvp and NesTea decided to never attend any foreign tournaments again due to their poor results in foreign competitions.
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Anyway yeah that was fast blah blah obviously there's a story behind this blah blah I'm sure it will come out soon enough someone tell me when that happens.
I hate statements like this. Bad news with several paragraphs of text that, summarized, contain absolutely no information about what happened. Just people patting each others' backs and being polite. Where's the dirt, sirs and madams?
Wow I feel really bad for Sase, that was one of the main reasons for him joining Quantic and now the partnership ends in less than 2 months. I really hope they can work out something out for him, he has so much potential and training with IM is definitely the best environment. =(
On December 03 2011 05:18 iNcontroL wrote: Quantic: It's not you it's me. IM: Oh. Can we still be friends? Quantic: Yeah it's np.. I'm just going to date your sister StarTale. IM: Oh ok.
LOL. However,I do think that Korean teams are still the males in the sexual relationship analogy at this time in SC2's history.
On December 03 2011 05:03 Kubricks wrote: QG and IM seemed like an incredibly strange partnership from the get-go. Whereas with EG and SlayerS, it feels like this East meets West megazord forming, QIM seemed to be an incongruent puzzle that, if completed, only SaSe would truly benefit from.
I think this is a good choice. IM seemed to be doing just fine with sending their players to foreign events before the partnership. I'm assuming they're in a viable if not favorable financial position now too considering this dissolution.
Eg and slayers really isnt a partnership of any form though, its a practice contract for a few of their players, Incontrol already said that because of the limited room at the slayers house its not like the whole team could go over there and practice , its really just to the benifit of Huk , Idra and puma.
I guess you could call it a practice partnership./
Thats what I was worried when SaSe joined Quantic, what will happen to him now? Hes one of few foreigns that got potential to beat best koreans and now what he wont be practicing in korea? How long contract he got with Quantic? Can he switch teams?
I guess a statement is better than not a statement but it's a bit annoying that they didn't even try touching the reason as to why it happened. At least give us a hint.
On December 03 2011 05:18 iNcontroL wrote: Quantic: It's not you it's me. IM: Oh. Can we still be friends? Quantic: Yeah it's np.. I'm just going to date your sister StarTale. IM: Oh ok.
LOL. However,I do think that Korean teams are still the males in the sexual relationship analogy at this time in SC2's history.
Why? They are what everybody wants.. they are clearly female.
Maybe the foreign trips were dissapointing for the Koreans and they no longer want to send MVP/Nestea but send lesser players? Quantic disagrees but IM refuses to send the big guns thus creating a problem.
On December 03 2011 05:18 iNcontroL wrote: Quantic: It's not you it's me. IM: Oh. Can we still be friends? Quantic: Yeah it's np.. I'm just going to date your sister StarTale. IM: Oh ok.
LOL. However,I do think that Korean teams are still the males in the sexual relationship analogy at this time in SC2's history.
the foreign teams are the male teams cuz they pay for the korean teams international travel
Probably just enough regional problems and money issues. Still two great organizations that seem to have respect for each other. Good luck to both teams
That relationship was short, which is sad and I must say I'm slightly confused over the fact that we got to know no reason for the disengagement at all. :O
Quantic Gaming Owner Mark Ferraz will appear tonight on !@#$ Slasher (same time as NASL unfortunately) to discuss the Quantic/IM partnership, and sending Destiny to Korea. Starts at 5:30 PM EST/23:30 CET at http://www.MLG.tv.
On December 03 2011 05:46 Xcobidoo wrote: So IM got paid travels to MLG and Quantic got....?
The funny thing is I believe quantic probably only had to pay for Losira to fly to MLG. Blizzard paid for MVP and Nestea for blizzcon. MLG paid for MVP and Nestea at providence due to them qualifying in the MLG global invitational.
On December 03 2011 05:46 Xcobidoo wrote: So IM got paid travels to MLG and Quantic got....?
The funny thing is I believe quantic probably only had to pay for Losira to fly to MLG. Blizzard paid for MVP and Nestea for blizzcon. MLG paid for MVP and Nestea at providence due to them qualifying in the MLG global invitational.
Ah. Still, I don't see anything that Quantic got out of this. They should have waited to get some more top players tbh...
I totally don't understand how you can write such an OP that is trying to look super professional with statements from everybody and everything and then not include a single sentence about the actual reason for the end of the partnership. The whole OP doesn't really say anything at all, apart from the fact that the partnership has ended. Shouldn't it be clear that people will want to know more? They could keep the drama lower by simply announcing the reasons right away.
On December 03 2011 05:50 PepperoniPiZZa wrote: I heard that hundreds of IM fans complained about IMs partnership with qxg because of destinys tendencies for racism, so, I guess it's understandable.
And you don't think that Destiny would have been the one they let go if that was the main reason behind it?
Empty statement with no real information (as per usual).
Assuming the decision to end the partnership was financial in nature, I don't understand why the partnership was formed in the first place. Did they not realize the cost of flying one or two players out for every major event? That seems like the absolute minimum in terms of cost planning.
This just looks silly for both teams in my opinion. A 1.5 month "partnership" full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Bleh.
On December 03 2011 05:18 iNcontroL wrote: Quantic: It's not you it's me. IM: Oh. Can we still be friends? Quantic: Yeah it's np.. I'm just going to date your sister StarTale. IM: Oh ok.
So, mutually parting ways good and fine, but what the hell was the reason why they part ways? The players of IM did a great job at representing QG outside of Korea, so that couldn't be it.
On December 03 2011 06:09 JustPassingBy wrote: So, mutually parting ways good and fine, but what the hell was the reason why they part ways? The players of IM did a great job at representing QG outside of Korea, so that couldn't be it.
I was thinking the exact same thing. They had a reason to form the partnership and now they stop and don't state why?
I am deeply saddened now by the thought that this means less Losira at international tournaments. I seriously hope IM gets partenered with another foriegn team, I need more Nestea, losira, Happy, MVP, hell I'd like to see some of the lesser known Im players get a chance to travel and show off thier skills.
On December 03 2011 06:09 JustPassingBy wrote: So, mutually parting ways good and fine, but what the hell was the reason why they part ways? The players of IM did a great job at representing QG outside of Korea, so that couldn't be it.
I was thinking the exact same thing. They had a reason to form the partnership and now they stop and don't state why?
Just wanted to add, that QG also flew some (okay, only one: Losira) IM player out to foreign events as they promised. SaSe was also allpwed to train in IM's house. It seemed that everything was working out so smoothly on both sides!
tough break but i had a feeling of this happening since i dont think quantic is really big enough to really make something like this work similar to EG/coL
On December 03 2011 06:29 JiYan wrote: tough break but i had a feeling of this happening since i dont think quantic is really big enough to really make something like this work similar to EG/coL
Stupid to talk like that because we don't even know the reasons why this split up happened. We need to get the details in order to judge.
[QUOTE]On December 03 2011 06:22 JustPassingBy wrote: [QUOTE]On December 03 2011 06:12 Split. wrote: [QUOTE]On December 03 2011 06:09 JustPassingBy wrote: So, mutually parting ways good and fine, but what the hell was the reason why they part ways? The players of IM did a great job at representing QG outside of Korea, so that couldn't be it.[/QUOTE] I was thinking the exact same thing. They had a reason to form the partnership and now they stop and don't state why?[/QUOTE]
Just wanted to add, that QG also flew some (okay, only one: Losira) IM player out to foreign events as they promised. SaSe was also allpwed to train in IM's house. It seemed that everything was working out so smoothly on both sides![/QUOTE
Oh well, at least they tried and nice way of communicating the end of the partnership. Shit-storm speculations are bad for esports. Best of luck to both teams!
Man I don't like what TL has become. All we ever get are press releases where they reveal 0 information about anything. It's like what Tyler was saying a while back, it would be nice if the forum could be a place for more pure, uncut information, but I guess I understand.
That was really fast, wonder whats going to happen. Seems like these next two months will have a lot of news related to player transfers and etc as iNcontroL mentioned.
Well i think MVP didn't want to many clan tags on his name just simple like I A M W I N N I N G or MVP same thing...... Anyway it's sad for both teams Non-kr scene could have grown alot from this partnership. Atleast we still have the FXO guys who melt faces and also EG-SlayerS so be happy for them and best of luck to both of IM and Quantic.
zI thought this was the weirdest partnership yet. IM is the best team by far and Quantic doesn't have anyone notable. IT was kind of a waste for IM. I hope Quantic can get better and eventually become a good team, though.
Idk if I should say this, but there seems to be something a little off about the IM manager. He seems like he cares deeply about HIS team and not much else. Maybe I'm reading too much into it though.
wow, this makes me sad. I was skeptical when they partnered because QxG wasn't really a well established solid team but this is REALLY fast to nix it =( wanted MVP and NesTea to crush more face in foreign tournies
On December 03 2011 07:23 kovac wrote: Ist simple quantic just landed a redbull deal, IM is cocacola so thats that.. Bomber is redbull where is destiny going??
edit: there used to be a cola sponsorship on quantics site its now gone....
You sure they are sponsored by redbull? I checked their site and dont see any sponsors there..
On December 03 2011 08:00 DiamondTear wrote: You have to admit that their performance in foreign event was disappointing. I hope that IM is gonna get money to try again from someone else.
How so?
MVP 1st at MLG Anaheim, 1st at Blizzcon, 4th at Providence Nestea 2nd at Blizzcon Losira 2nd at MLG Columbus
LOL, a lot of people need to stop talking bullshit here. IM had outstanding results at foreign tournaments. And they are not going to stop that. "Incredible Miracle Hello. I am Dong-Hoon Kang, the manager of Incredible Miracle.I really appreciate all IM fans for your love and support toward us team IM. All players of team IM will continuosly attend international SC2 tournaments. We have considered many ways to meet and communicate with ours fans from all around the world." (from their facebook)
I thought it was very ambitious for Quantic to join forces with such an established Korean team, but it's still sad to see the partnership split. Best of luck to both teams, with Destiny heading to Korea for a bit I hope that Quantic is able to compete with all the other top foreigner teams.
On December 03 2011 07:23 kovac wrote: Ist simple quantic just landed a redbull deal, IM is cocacola so thats that.. Bomber is redbull where is destiny going??
edit: there used to be a cola sponsorship on quantics site its now gone....
You sure they are sponsored by redbull? I checked their site and dont see any sponsors there..
they did have some obvious product placements in there videos before the IM deal.. an remember destiny was independent to the bone then he goes to the redbull-lan and the next week he joins quantic...
On December 03 2011 04:38 red4ce wrote: Wow even Kim Kardashian's marriage lasted longer than Quantic-IM. I wonder what caused the split. At least both sides were professional about it so as not to cause a shitstorm on the forums.
Pretty much sums it up for me...
Must be another story in this somewhere, not being bitchy or what not but how can this truely happen? Merging a "buisness" which is what it technically was to the owners of each team, to party ways in just over a month spells BIG BIG differences, Win Win for IM though, sent two players who pocketed lots of money in USA and probably got money to improve the team house etc aswell.
Some of these teams like CoL and QxG need to learn from the likes of TL and EG before they venture in and try become big boys and share houses in Korea and pay for players to go here there and everywhere. E-Sports wasn't built by throwing money at it, it was built by people respecting the game the players and the teams.
That was over fast. They didn't really give us a reason but I'm really happy there seems to be no drama and that end their partnership without any trashtalk!
On December 03 2011 04:38 red4ce wrote: Wow even Kim Kardashian's marriage lasted longer than Quantic-IM. I wonder what caused the split. At least both sides were professional about it so as not to cause a shitstorm on the forums.
Pretty much sums it up for me...
Must be another story in this somewhere, not being bitchy or what not but how can this truely happen? Merging a "buisness" which is what it technically was to the owners of each team, to party ways in just over a month spells BIG BIG differences, Win Win for IM though, sent two players who pocketed lots of money in USA and probably got money to improve the team house etc aswell.
Some of these teams like CoL and QxG need to learn from the likes of TL and EG before they venture in and try become big boys and share houses in Korea and pay for players to go here there and everywhere. E-Sports wasn't built by throwing money at it, it was built by people respecting the game the players and the teams.
Col has been around longer than EG mate Well EG proper anyway, they did have their canadian CS team for a very long time
Quite dissapointed really, was hoping for a long successful partnership, im sure we'll find out the reasons for this soon enough. Best of luck to both teams.
Dang, I'm quite disappointed.... I hoped to see more from the collaboration between these two teams. I feel like Sase and Destiny might be kind of let down right now, and I don't blame em. Hopefully something gets worked out and Quantic can collaborate with another Korean team soon!
Quantic-IMs partnership didn't really do a whole lot for either team. IM can easily send players to foreign events and Qx can easily sent players to Korea if it wants... I never really understood what these partnerships really meant.
On December 03 2011 04:38 red4ce wrote: Wow even Kim Kardashian's marriage lasted longer than Quantic-IM. I wonder what caused the split. At least both sides were professional about it so as not to cause a shitstorm on the forums.
-.- ya seems like it.. damn i was really hoping to see a breakout Sase
i like how both these teams announced the split with respect towards the other team, really professional. best of luck to the players and teams in the future
what's the reason?? if you dont tell us the reason, we are just going to guess it's something bad, like IM didn't enjoy the foreign tournaments or Quantic don't have the money to support the partnership.
I wish there was more of an explanation as to why this happened. Seems like just yesterday I found out Quantic was teaming up with Incredible Miracle. O well I guess.
On December 03 2011 10:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: x.x This sucks for Quantic And I wonder if this means that IM won't have as much funding for Nestea and MVP for international travel...
From what I gathered from F Slasher, they don't want to go to foreign tournaments very much, which is seemingly part of why this relationship dissolved.
ive always wondered how a team manages these "merges" with other teams especially when both teams are so different skill wise on one side you have the most popular players in the world, MVP/Nestea/Losira and on quantic you have sub par NA players how do you make that work? i watched the fan thing QIM did at providence, and it just seemed weird for the other players of quantic. Everyone clearly came to see the koreans. I dont know if teams consider what a merge does to original roster of the team. it was almost like IM/Sase/Destiny merged, and the rest of quantics roster gets left behind
On December 03 2011 10:41 mcleod wrote: ive always wondered how a team manages these "merges" with other teams especially when both teams are so different skill wise on one side you have the most popular players in the world, MVP/Nestea/Losira and on quantic you have sub par NA players how do you make that work? i watched the fan thing QIM did at providence, and it just seemed weird for the other players of quantic. Everyone clearly came to see the koreans. I dont know if teams consider what a merge does to original roster of the team. it was almost like IM/Sase/Destiny merged, and the rest of quantics roster gets left behind
it's not a merge, it's a partnership. Most koreans teams already have a friendly team or have the funding to pay for their own players, and international players often use those same relations or stay in the gom house. These partnerships lower the cost for international. Like the major issue with marineking coming over was that the cost was less then projected income, if they formed a partnership this would lower the cost. the only time they "merge" would be a team league.
On December 03 2011 10:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: x.x This sucks for Quantic And I wonder if this means that IM won't have as much funding for Nestea and MVP for international travel...
From what I gathered from F Slasher, they don't want to go to foreign tournaments very much, which is seemingly part of why this relationship dissolved.
i'm assuming this is because everyone but losira/mvp on IM are so used to the gsl format they aren't prepared for full tournaments. I can't think of another reason they wouldn't participate. Losira and mvp have always done well in them when they participate.
EDIT: this was supposed to be an edit of the above post
had a feeling this was going to happen when the destiny announcement said startale. Its too bad, because we might not see Nestea in MLGs in the future.
And suddenly Quantic is entirely irrelevant as a pro team. That sucks though, but hopefully IM can find another partnership with a foreign team so we can see their players in Europe and NA more often.
HelloSaSe @mousesports Cengiz maybe time to contact me? ^^
HelloSaSe @Elvedeta I will not live in the gom house, that's the only thing I know for sure^^ feel like I can't improve more there for now
joining mouz? D:
Thats a pretty douchey thing to do... immediatly after IM partnership dissolves he wants a new team... I understand he wants a good practice environment but still... it seems like teams dont mean anything anymore.
On December 03 2011 12:32 hugman wrote: From SaSe's twitter:
HelloSaSe @mousesports Cengiz maybe time to contact me? ^^
HelloSaSe @Elvedeta I will not live in the gom house, that's the only thing I know for sure^^ feel like I can't improve more there for now
joining mouz? D:
Thats a pretty douchey thing to do... immediatly after IM partnership dissolves he wants a new team... I understand he wants a good practice environment but still... it seems like teams dont mean anything anymore.
Makes sense, he didn't join a team for a long time because he wanted a team that could support him in Korea, he picked QxG to play in IM house. Feels like a bait and switch.
On December 03 2011 12:32 hugman wrote: From SaSe's twitter:
HelloSaSe @mousesports Cengiz maybe time to contact me? ^^
HelloSaSe @Elvedeta I will not live in the gom house, that's the only thing I know for sure^^ feel like I can't improve more there for now
joining mouz? D:
Thats a pretty douchey thing to do... immediatly after IM partnership dissolves he wants a new team... I understand he wants a good practice environment but still... it seems like teams dont mean anything anymore.
Makes sense, he didn't join a team for a long time because he wanted a team that could support him in Korea, he picked QxG to play in IM house. Feels like a bait and switch.
yea I'm sure Quantic promised him a lot of good stuff with IM and i bet most of that fell threw and sase is not happy, i really hope he joins FXO Korea
That was fast, was this even a partnership? I question how any resources were shared over such a short period of time. More like a roommate contract than a relationship.
This is too bad for Destiny and Sase. At least Destiny is going to go to ST...but still both were so excited about the deal and it appeared to be a big influence in both of their signings.
...with Qxc to Col. I can't help but hope that Root just reforms :p
Didnt feel like this was a mutually beneficial relationship to begin with. There is literally no incentive for IM to continue this partnership other than Quantic gaming paying for their flights to foreign events. Its going to turn out to be Quantic bleeding from their pockets so IM can reluctantly add Q in front of the IM.
I'm glad Quantic got out, they should focus their resources on building their own brand name first.
On December 03 2011 12:32 hugman wrote: From SaSe's twitter:
HelloSaSe @mousesports Cengiz maybe time to contact me? ^^
HelloSaSe @Elvedeta I will not live in the gom house, that's the only thing I know for sure^^ feel like I can't improve more there for now
joining mouz? D:
Thats a pretty douchey thing to do... immediatly after IM partnership dissolves he wants a new team... I understand he wants a good practice environment but still... it seems like teams dont mean anything anymore.
That partnership was the only reason he joined quantic in the first place.
On December 03 2011 12:32 hugman wrote: From SaSe's twitter:
HelloSaSe @mousesports Cengiz maybe time to contact me? ^^
HelloSaSe @Elvedeta I will not live in the gom house, that's the only thing I know for sure^^ feel like I can't improve more there for now
joining mouz? D:
Thats a pretty douchey thing to do... immediatly after IM partnership dissolves he wants a new team... I understand he wants a good practice environment but still... it seems like teams dont mean anything anymore.
Makes sense, he didn't join a team for a long time because he wanted a team that could support him in Korea, he picked QxG to play in IM house. Feels like a bait and switch.
well if you had seen fuuuu slasher you would know he said that he thought that quantic is great/best team ever and that he was confident in them solving his situation i korea
Haha, I love how a quick look at the responses in this thread shows that like, every swede, just like myself, instantly felt sorry for Sase. Keep it up fellow swedes! Cheer for our heroes! :D
On December 03 2011 12:32 hugman wrote: From SaSe's twitter:
HelloSaSe @mousesports Cengiz maybe time to contact me? ^^
HelloSaSe @Elvedeta I will not live in the gom house, that's the only thing I know for sure^^ feel like I can't improve more there for now
joining mouz? D:
He praised Quantic very much on F Slasher yesterday, and why would he do it public on twitter? Just sounds strange.
He is like Naniwa, all he cares about is good practice. That's the reason he joined in the very first place like someone else above me said. Why would he want to live in GoM house were casters are running around 24/7 and making noises and disturbing his practice schedules?
I think it was for up to SaSe he would join some korean team, if they are willing to have him.
this must put sase in a pretty uncomfortable position o_o
Sase to mouz would be incredibly awesome, but unfortunately that probably wouldn't help him get good practice in korea. Morrow arranged for his stay with a team all by himself.
where did quantic come from anyway? they have other gaming divisions and a lower pro level team and then all of a sudden enter a partnership with one of the best teams in the world? it never made sense to me. oh well.
On December 03 2011 20:56 hifriend wrote: this must put sase in a pretty uncomfortable position o_o
Sase to mouz would be incredibly awesome, but unfortunately that probably wouldn't help him get good practice in korea. Morrow arranged for his stay with a team all by himself.
Given that SaSe has been in Korea for a while now, and the fact that he probably knows quite a few koreans in teams currently, it wouldn't be too hard for him to join a practice house.
HelloSaSe @mousesports Cengiz maybe time to contact me? ^^
HelloSaSe @Elvedeta I will not live in the gom house, that's the only thing I know for sure^^ feel like I can't improve more there for now
joining mouz? D:
It was cool for him to answer me, I'm at least glad that he is just not going to stay at the GOM house, which is not really a good environment to practice, he needs more than just mass ladder.
About the mouz tweet I don't really think he is leaving quantic at this moment.
yea ... well since i saw this i said ....WTF? i mean the difference of skill is huge between these 2 teams so. Not to be a dick or something but this was expected.
Just to clarify folks: SaSe isn't planning on leaving us for mouz any time soon lol. He wanted to talk to them about a non-SC2 related matter that he needed to sort out.
On December 03 2011 12:32 hugman wrote: From SaSe's twitter:
HelloSaSe @mousesports Cengiz maybe time to contact me? ^^
HelloSaSe @Elvedeta I will not live in the gom house, that's the only thing I know for sure^^ feel like I can't improve more there for now
joining mouz? D:
He praised Quantic very much on F Slasher yesterday, and why would he do it public on twitter? Just sounds strange.
I have no clue but it's possible Quantic told him to say what he said. Because he's in a contract. At the same time it could also be totally true that he think's Quantic is the best team he's ever had.
But... people tend to say the truth when they leave a team... unless they get bribed to silence.
It's just impossible to know. Hope there isn't anything shady going on though. Aslong as SaSe get's what he wants im happy.
not too surprised... seemed like it was a big name pickup for quantic (which i dont blame them at all for dont get me wrong), but IM didnt really seem to gain too much from it. best of luck to both quantic and IM in the future!
I wonder if this just means IM is pulling their interest from the foreign scene? Perhaps we wont be seeing IM players outside of korea from now on. I hope not though, its all kinda sad.
not too surprised... seemed like it was a big name pickup for quantic (which i dont blame them at all for dont get me wrong), but IM didnt really seem to gain too much from it. best of luck to both quantic and IM in the future!
They did gain accommodations and travel expenses abroad. That was the gain for IM.
On December 03 2011 04:38 red4ce wrote: Wow even Kim Kardashian's marriage lasted longer than Quantic-IM. I wonder what caused the split. At least both sides were professional about it so as not to cause a shitstorm on the forums.
lololol i was thinking the same thing its like there was a sudden hype in the foreigner-korean marriage but.... end up it was just a fad... and they wanna break up
There must be a shitstorm going on with drama between these teams or you don't quit within 3 months. Gj guys for keeping a lid on it Now the real story please.
i think its just best for nothing to be said from both sides. QxG just couldn't afford to start a 'shitstorm' with IM. And IM seems to be too professional to engage in any of this.
i do feel though...QxG sort of rose based on this IM deal (convinced destiny/sase to join)...so probably will be scrambling to for another big anouncement.
oh and i feel sorry for the fanboys who bought QIM/QxG shirts b/c of the koreans lol.
On December 04 2011 04:45 KoDo wrote: i think its just best for nothing to be said from both sides. QxG just couldn't afford to start a 'shitstorm' with IM. And IM seems to be too professional to engage in any of this.
i do feel though...QxG sort of rose based on this IM deal (convinced destiny/sase to join)...so probably will be scrambling to for another big anouncement.
oh and i feel sorry for the fanboys who bought QIM/QxG shirts b/c of the koreans lol.
On December 04 2011 01:20 Insomni7 wrote: I wonder if this just means IM is pulling their interest from the foreign scene? Perhaps we wont be seeing IM players outside of korea from now on. I hope not though, its all kinda sad.
not too surprised... seemed like it was a big name pickup for quantic (which i dont blame them at all for dont get me wrong), but IM didnt really seem to gain too much from it. best of luck to both quantic and IM in the future!
They did gain accommodations and travel expenses abroad. That was the gain for IM.
Hm i don't think IM will slow down participation in foreign tournaments. I mean between Nestea/MVP ripping it up it felt like both sides were getting what they wanted.
Do you think IM was relying on Quantic to send MVP and Nestea to events? Because they weren't.
On December 03 2011 04:42 DeltruS wrote: They probably didn't have enough money, and the quantic players couldn't go to Korea.
OR maybe Destiny plans on taking his child to Korea in an apartment rather than a team house.
Yeah, that's definitely it. Destiny didn't want to go to korea to get good, he just wants to move their to get better internet for his stream. That must also be why he switched to own3d.tv, because they have less lag in other countries.
On December 04 2011 12:22 Mabius wrote: anyone else feel like IM just used Quantic for the free plane tickets for their members to go to MLG and then after that was over they bounced?
Who cares if they did? Quantic was a no-name, and low income gaming organization. If anything this partnership gave them the publicity they needed to get off the ground in SC2.
On December 03 2011 04:42 DeltruS wrote: They probably didn't have enough money, and the quantic players couldn't go to Korea.
OR maybe Destiny plans on taking his child to Korea in an apartment rather than a team house.
Yeah, that's definitely it. Destiny didn't want to go to korea to get good, he just wants to move their to get better internet for his stream. That must also be why he switched to own3d.tv, because they have less lag in other countries.
On December 04 2011 12:22 Mabius wrote: anyone else feel like IM just used Quantic for the free plane tickets for their members to go to MLG and then after that was over they bounced?
Who cares if they did? Quantic was a no-name, and low income gaming organization. If anything this partnership gave them the publicity they needed to get off the ground in SC2.
I really doubt living in a team house will be much better than just Korean ladder. There is a language barrier, after all. The team house is mostly just good for free food and free cleaning.
On December 04 2011 12:22 Mabius wrote: anyone else feel like IM just used Quantic for the free plane tickets for their members to go to MLG and then after that was over they bounced?
Well that is kinda hard since MVP/Nestea already had free flights from the MLG invitaional.
Ok well that explains why Destiny's not going to the IM house. Personally, I kinda like this. I was confused as to why IM wasn't looking to partner with a....not to be rude, but.....better team than Quantic.
Can we get some Team Liquid independent news coverage on this news? This is just a fluff piece, from the parties involved.
Was there drama involved? Did Quantic not pay their bills? Was Nestea disappointed in the quality of the Quantic team? What does this mean for future deals between Korea and Foreign teams? Will Destiny and SaSe still stay with Quantic after this huge disappointment?
We need some hard hitting journalism here. Where is it?
On December 04 2011 23:58 Legio wrote: Can we get some Team Liquid independent news coverage on this news? This is just a fluff piece, from the parties involved.
Was there drama involved? Did Quantic not pay their bills? Was Nestea disappointed in the quality of the Quantic team? What does this mean for future deals between Korea and Foreign teams? Will Destiny and SaSe still stay with Quantic after this huge disappointment?
We need some hard hitting journalism here. Where is it?
If you payed any attention to the calendar as of late you would have noticed that the owner of quantic was on @#$% Slasher talking about all the details. That was your coverage.
On December 04 2011 23:58 Legio wrote: Can we get some Team Liquid independent news coverage on this news? This is just a fluff piece, from the parties involved.
Was there drama involved? Did Quantic not pay their bills? Was Nestea disappointed in the quality of the Quantic team? What does this mean for future deals between Korea and Foreign teams? Will Destiny and SaSe still stay with Quantic after this huge disappointment?
We need some hard hitting journalism here. Where is it?
If you payed any attention to the calendar as of late you would have noticed that the owner of quantic was on @#$% Slasher talking about all the details. That was your coverage.
Sorry, but please don't think that just because it airs in an alright time for the states that everybody is able to watch it.
edit: so is there anywhere, where I can reread what was said in the show?
Both Nestea and MVP complained at MLG that they were feeling sick because of the travel. It could be that they weren't happy with the provisions made by Quantic with regards to their participation.
On December 04 2011 23:58 Legio wrote: Can we get some Team Liquid independent news coverage on this news? This is just a fluff piece, from the parties involved.
Was there drama involved? Did Quantic not pay their bills? Was Nestea disappointed in the quality of the Quantic team? What does this mean for future deals between Korea and Foreign teams? Will Destiny and SaSe still stay with Quantic after this huge disappointment?
We need some hard hitting journalism here. Where is it?
If you payed any attention to the calendar as of late you would have noticed that the owner of quantic was on @#$% Slasher talking about all the details. That was your coverage.
Yeah, but I think a lot of people missed it for some reason or another, and I haven't seen--anywhere--a summary of what went down. Most people are still in the dark about it.
On December 04 2011 14:50 DeltruS wrote: I really doubt living in a team house will be much better than just Korean ladder. There is a language barrier, after all. The team house is mostly just good for free food and free cleaning.
I can truly say that you just don't know what you are talking about. Just watching over from the back of players better than you is already an experience that you won't be able to get in ladder.
On December 04 2011 23:58 Legio wrote: Can we get some Team Liquid independent news coverage on this news? This is just a fluff piece, from the parties involved.
Was there drama involved? Did Quantic not pay their bills? Was Nestea disappointed in the quality of the Quantic team? What does this mean for future deals between Korea and Foreign teams? Will Destiny and SaSe still stay with Quantic after this huge disappointment?
We need some hard hitting journalism here. Where is it?
If you payed any attention to the calendar as of late you would have noticed that the owner of quantic was on @#$% Slasher talking about all the details. That was your coverage.
Sorry, but please don't think that just because it airs in an alright time for the states that everybody is able to watch it.
edit: so is there anywhere, where I can reread what was said in the show?
I think the most revealing comment is SaSe's, he really thinks highly of the Quantic organisation, going as far as to call it the best team he has ever been on, and this is coming from a guy who has been in esports as a player for a long time with a lot of very prestigious organisations like MYM and SK. I think Quantic are legit and the partnership fell apart because IM were not too keen on being more public with their players, be for shows, replay packs and streams. Have we ever seen an IM player stream?
On December 04 2011 23:58 Legio wrote: Can we get some Team Liquid independent news coverage on this news? This is just a fluff piece, from the parties involved.
Was there drama involved? Did Quantic not pay their bills? Was Nestea disappointed in the quality of the Quantic team? What does this mean for future deals between Korea and Foreign teams? Will Destiny and SaSe still stay with Quantic after this huge disappointment?
We need some hard hitting journalism here. Where is it?
If you payed any attention to the calendar as of late you would have noticed that the owner of quantic was on @#$% Slasher talking about all the details. That was your coverage.
Sorry, but please don't think that just because it airs in an alright time for the states that everybody is able to watch it.
edit: so is there anywhere, where I can reread what was said in the show?
I think the most revealing comment is SaSe's, he really thinks highly of the Quantic organisation, going as far as to call it the best team he has ever been on, and this is coming from a guy who has been in esports as a player for a long time with a lot of very prestigious organisations like MYM and SK. I think Quantic are legit and the partnership fell apart because IM were not too keen on being more public with their players, be for shows, replay packs and streams. Have we ever seen an IM player stream?
thanks for the link.
marc said that it is common knowledge that mvp and nestea didn't have a good time at the mlg, can anybody tell me what he meant, because that is news to me! :o
edit: nvm, it was answered on this very page before my post...
On December 04 2011 23:58 Legio wrote: Can we get some Team Liquid independent news coverage on this news? This is just a fluff piece, from the parties involved.
Was there drama involved? Did Quantic not pay their bills? Was Nestea disappointed in the quality of the Quantic team? What does this mean for future deals between Korea and Foreign teams? Will Destiny and SaSe still stay with Quantic after this huge disappointment?
We need some hard hitting journalism here. Where is it?
If you payed any attention to the calendar as of late you would have noticed that the owner of quantic was on @#$% Slasher talking about all the details. That was your coverage.
Sorry, but please don't think that just because it airs in an alright time for the states that everybody is able to watch it.
edit: so is there anywhere, where I can reread what was said in the show?
I think the most revealing comment is SaSe's, he really thinks highly of the Quantic organisation, going as far as to call it the best team he has ever been on, and this is coming from a guy who has been in esports as a player for a long time with a lot of very prestigious organisations like MYM and SK. I think Quantic are legit and the partnership fell apart because IM were not too keen on being more public with their players, be for shows, replay packs and streams. Have we ever seen an IM player stream?
thanks for the link.
marc said that it is common knowledge that mvp and nestea didn't have a good time at the mlg, can anybody tell me what he meant, because that is news to me! :o
Yeah. It's not like they did so badly that it was a waste of time. Was it Nani bm thing, bad fan thing, whats the deal there?
On December 05 2011 05:29 JJH777 wrote: Nestea probably got depressed because of the **** crowd that literally cheered significantly louder for every single player he faced.
On December 05 2011 05:29 JJH777 wrote: Nestea probably got depressed because of the **** crowd that literally cheered significantly louder for every single player he faced.
On December 05 2011 01:49 Yonnua wrote: Both Nestea and MVP complained at MLG that they were feeling sick because of the travel. It could be that they weren't happy with the provisions made by Quantic with regards to their participation.
"Both Nestea and MVP complained at MLG that they were feeling sick because of the travel."
that sounds more like they made up an excuse to why they lost. Ok if one player felt sick but... both? I just think their big ego's couldn't take the loss.
On December 05 2011 05:29 JJH777 wrote: Nestea probably got depressed because of the **** crowd that literally cheered significantly louder for every single player he faced.
then i guess NaNiwa must of felt pretty depressed too ^^.
On December 04 2011 23:58 Legio wrote: Can we get some Team Liquid independent news coverage on this news? This is just a fluff piece, from the parties involved.
Was there drama involved? Did Quantic not pay their bills? Was Nestea disappointed in the quality of the Quantic team? What does this mean for future deals between Korea and Foreign teams? Will Destiny and SaSe still stay with Quantic after this huge disappointment?
We need some hard hitting journalism here. Where is it?
If you payed any attention to the calendar as of late you would have noticed that the owner of quantic was on @#$% Slasher talking about all the details. That was your coverage.
Sorry, but please don't think that just because it airs in an alright time for the states that everybody is able to watch it.
edit: so is there anywhere, where I can reread what was said in the show?
I think the most revealing comment is SaSe's, he really thinks highly of the Quantic organisation, going as far as to call it the best team he has ever been on, and this is coming from a guy who has been in esports as a player for a long time with a lot of very prestigious organisations like MYM and SK. I think Quantic are legit and the partnership fell apart because IM were not too keen on being more public with their players, be for shows, replay packs and streams. Have we ever seen an IM player stream?
What was answered in the clip: 1. QxC shipped Nestea and MVP to Providence, they had a bad experience there and freaked out causing the IM/QxC venture to implode. 2. QxC doesn't dare burn any bridges, so they took it up the ass. Contract or no contract. 3. SaSe is their great white hope, and everything else is marketing. 4. Destiny and SaSe are under contract so they can't say anything. 5. Destiny is going on vacation to Korea because his babymomma is taking the kid for 3 weeks. 6. SaSe is like Naniwa, a crazy viking who will do anything to live in Korea and win.
What actual news reporting by TL should have answered: 1. IM is cash strapped, they need western dollars to keep their aces happy. Are they taking a risk cutting off money like this? 2. Does the Korean teams have the western teams by the balls? Can Slayers raise their price on EG if they feel like it? 3. Does the Korean team have an understanding of what marketing their talent to the west is worth, or are they just in this to make fast cash? 4. How does the Korean pros look at the prospects of joining western teams? 5. Will QxC survive this hit.
On December 04 2011 23:58 Legio wrote: Can we get some Team Liquid independent news coverage on this news? This is just a fluff piece, from the parties involved.
Was there drama involved? Did Quantic not pay their bills? Was Nestea disappointed in the quality of the Quantic team? What does this mean for future deals between Korea and Foreign teams? Will Destiny and SaSe still stay with Quantic after this huge disappointment?
We need some hard hitting journalism here. Where is it?
If you payed any attention to the calendar as of late you would have noticed that the owner of quantic was on @#$% Slasher talking about all the details. That was your coverage.
Sorry, but please don't think that just because it airs in an alright time for the states that everybody is able to watch it.
edit: so is there anywhere, where I can reread what was said in the show?
I think the most revealing comment is SaSe's, he really thinks highly of the Quantic organisation, going as far as to call it the best team he has ever been on, and this is coming from a guy who has been in esports as a player for a long time with a lot of very prestigious organisations like MYM and SK. I think Quantic are legit and the partnership fell apart because IM were not too keen on being more public with their players, be for shows, replay packs and streams. Have we ever seen an IM player stream?
What was answered in the clip: 1. QxC shipped Nestea and MVP to Providence, they had a bad experience there and freaked out causing the IM/QxC venture to implode. 2. QxC doesn't dare burn any bridges, so they took it up the ass. Contract or no contract. 3. SaSe is their great white hope, and everything else is marketing. 4. Destiny and SaSe are under contract so they can't say anything. 5. Destiny is going on vacation to Korea because his babymomma is taking the kid for 3 weeks. 6. SaSe is like Naniwa, a crazy viking who will do anything to live in Korea and win.
What actual news reporting by TL should have answered: 1. IM is cash strapped, they need western dollars to keep their aces happy. Are they taking a risk cutting off money like this? 2. Does the Korean teams have the western teams by the balls? Can Slayers raise their price on EG if they feel like it? 3. Does the Korean team have an understanding of what marketing their talent to the west is worth, or are they just in this to make fast cash? 4. How does the Korean pros look at the prospects of joining western teams? 5. Will QxC survive this hit.
On December 04 2011 23:58 Legio wrote: Can we get some Team Liquid independent news coverage on this news? This is just a fluff piece, from the parties involved.
Was there drama involved? Did Quantic not pay their bills? Was Nestea disappointed in the quality of the Quantic team? What does this mean for future deals between Korea and Foreign teams? Will Destiny and SaSe still stay with Quantic after this huge disappointment?
We need some hard hitting journalism here. Where is it?
If you payed any attention to the calendar as of late you would have noticed that the owner of quantic was on @#$% Slasher talking about all the details. That was your coverage.
Sorry, but please don't think that just because it airs in an alright time for the states that everybody is able to watch it.
edit: so is there anywhere, where I can reread what was said in the show?
I think the most revealing comment is SaSe's, he really thinks highly of the Quantic organisation, going as far as to call it the best team he has ever been on, and this is coming from a guy who has been in esports as a player for a long time with a lot of very prestigious organisations like MYM and SK. I think Quantic are legit and the partnership fell apart because IM were not too keen on being more public with their players, be for shows, replay packs and streams. Have we ever seen an IM player stream?
What was answered in the clip: 1. QxC shipped Nestea and MVP to Providence, they had a bad experience there and freaked out causing the IM/QxC venture to implode. 2. QxC doesn't dare burn any bridges, so they took it up the ass. Contract or no contract. 3. SaSe is their great white hope, and everything else is marketing. 4. Destiny and SaSe are under contract so they can't say anything. 5. Destiny is going on vacation to Korea because his babymomma is taking the kid for 3 weeks. 6. SaSe is like Naniwa, a crazy viking who will do anything to live in Korea and win.
What actual news reporting by TL should have answered: 1. IM is cash strapped, they need western dollars to keep their aces happy. Are they taking a risk cutting off money like this? 2. Does the Korean teams have the western teams by the balls? Can Slayers raise their price on EG if they feel like it? 3. Does the Korean team have an understanding of what marketing their talent to the west is worth, or are they just in this to make fast cash? 4. How does the Korean pros look at the prospects of joining western teams? 5. Will QxC survive this hit.
Well, according to lastshadow, Koreans don't think that highly of 4., because they believe that people persuing 4. are more in for the money than for the game itself. And of course will QxG survive this, sc2 isn't even their main focus. I think they have some incredibly successful fps teams under their contract.
On December 04 2011 23:58 Legio wrote: Can we get some Team Liquid independent news coverage on this news? This is just a fluff piece, from the parties involved.
Was there drama involved? Did Quantic not pay their bills? Was Nestea disappointed in the quality of the Quantic team? What does this mean for future deals between Korea and Foreign teams? Will Destiny and SaSe still stay with Quantic after this huge disappointment?
We need some hard hitting journalism here. Where is it?
If you payed any attention to the calendar as of late you would have noticed that the owner of quantic was on @#$% Slasher talking about all the details. That was your coverage.
Sorry, but please don't think that just because it airs in an alright time for the states that everybody is able to watch it.
edit: so is there anywhere, where I can reread what was said in the show?
I think the most revealing comment is SaSe's, he really thinks highly of the Quantic organisation, going as far as to call it the best team he has ever been on, and this is coming from a guy who has been in esports as a player for a long time with a lot of very prestigious organisations like MYM and SK. I think Quantic are legit and the partnership fell apart because IM were not too keen on being more public with their players, be for shows, replay packs and streams. Have we ever seen an IM player stream?
What was answered in the clip: 1. QxC shipped Nestea and MVP to Providence, they had a bad experience there and freaked out causing the IM/QxC venture to implode. 2. QxC doesn't dare burn any bridges, so they took it up the ass. Contract or no contract. 3. SaSe is their great white hope, and everything else is marketing. 4. Destiny and SaSe are under contract so they can't say anything. 5. Destiny is going on vacation to Korea because his babymomma is taking the kid for 3 weeks. 6. SaSe is like Naniwa, a crazy viking who will do anything to live in Korea and win.
What actual news reporting by TL should have answered: 1. IM is cash strapped, they need western dollars to keep their aces happy. Are they taking a risk cutting off money like this? 2. Does the Korean teams have the western teams by the balls? Can Slayers raise their price on EG if they feel like it? 3. Does the Korean team have an understanding of what marketing their talent to the west is worth, or are they just in this to make fast cash? 4. How does the Korean pros look at the prospects of joining western teams? 5. Will QxC survive this hit.
SlayerS/EG is purely a practice partnership, they're not sending MMA to MLG for example. A better example would be coLMVP
On December 04 2011 23:58 Legio wrote: Can we get some Team Liquid independent news coverage on this news? This is just a fluff piece, from the parties involved.
Was there drama involved? Did Quantic not pay their bills? Was Nestea disappointed in the quality of the Quantic team? What does this mean for future deals between Korea and Foreign teams? Will Destiny and SaSe still stay with Quantic after this huge disappointment?
We need some hard hitting journalism here. Where is it?
If you payed any attention to the calendar as of late you would have noticed that the owner of quantic was on @#$% Slasher talking about all the details. That was your coverage.
Sorry, but please don't think that just because it airs in an alright time for the states that everybody is able to watch it.
edit: so is there anywhere, where I can reread what was said in the show?
I think the most revealing comment is SaSe's, he really thinks highly of the Quantic organisation, going as far as to call it the best team he has ever been on, and this is coming from a guy who has been in esports as a player for a long time with a lot of very prestigious organisations like MYM and SK. I think Quantic are legit and the partnership fell apart because IM were not too keen on being more public with their players, be for shows, replay packs and streams. Have we ever seen an IM player stream?
1. QxC shipped Nestea and MVP to Providence, they had a bad experience there and freaked out causing the IM/QxC venture to implode.
I don't know what's up with most of the Koreans, but they seem to have incredible difficulties in dealing with the western world. I'd like to know what that "bad experience" was. Weren't they treated like celebrities and didn't get their extra wishes? Since NASL I'm really wary about them when something happens.
What a lot of people don't understand is, IM was an independent team for the longest time, one of the only original SCII teams in Korea without a sponsor. It's clear their goal as a team is not to make money, but rather, just produce great players that win tournaments(Artosis commented on this before during a cast in GSL). People often mistake them for a team that is very private and very secretive, but they are really not. They are just a group of players who have a lot of passion for the sport and aren't going out of their way to capitalize off of it, in turn, they don't need as much exposure as other teams who are backed by big sponsors.
On December 04 2011 23:58 Legio wrote: Can we get some Team Liquid independent news coverage on this news? This is just a fluff piece, from the parties involved.
Was there drama involved? Did Quantic not pay their bills? Was Nestea disappointed in the quality of the Quantic team? What does this mean for future deals between Korea and Foreign teams? Will Destiny and SaSe still stay with Quantic after this huge disappointment?
We need some hard hitting journalism here. Where is it?
If you payed any attention to the calendar as of late you would have noticed that the owner of quantic was on @#$% Slasher talking about all the details. That was your coverage.
Sorry, but please don't think that just because it airs in an alright time for the states that everybody is able to watch it.
edit: so is there anywhere, where I can reread what was said in the show?
I think the most revealing comment is SaSe's, he really thinks highly of the Quantic organisation, going as far as to call it the best team he has ever been on, and this is coming from a guy who has been in esports as a player for a long time with a lot of very prestigious organisations like MYM and SK. I think Quantic are legit and the partnership fell apart because IM were not too keen on being more public with their players, be for shows, replay packs and streams. Have we ever seen an IM player stream?
1. QxC shipped Nestea and MVP to Providence, they had a bad experience there and freaked out causing the IM/QxC venture to implode.
I don't know what's up with most of the Koreans, but they seem to have incredible difficulties in dealing with the western world. I'd like to know what that "bad experience" was. Weren't they treated like celebrities and didn't get their extra wishes? Since NASL I'm really wary about them when something happens.
I wouldn`t read or base too much off of it since you are only hearing one side of the story. Obviously getting the other side of the story is difficult because of accessibility and language barrier. (regarding the IM thing)
On December 04 2011 23:58 Legio wrote: Can we get some Team Liquid independent news coverage on this news? This is just a fluff piece, from the parties involved.
Was there drama involved? Did Quantic not pay their bills? Was Nestea disappointed in the quality of the Quantic team? What does this mean for future deals between Korea and Foreign teams? Will Destiny and SaSe still stay with Quantic after this huge disappointment?
We need some hard hitting journalism here. Where is it?
If you payed any attention to the calendar as of late you would have noticed that the owner of quantic was on @#$% Slasher talking about all the details. That was your coverage.
Sorry, but please don't think that just because it airs in an alright time for the states that everybody is able to watch it.
edit: so is there anywhere, where I can reread what was said in the show?
I think the most revealing comment is SaSe's, he really thinks highly of the Quantic organisation, going as far as to call it the best team he has ever been on, and this is coming from a guy who has been in esports as a player for a long time with a lot of very prestigious organisations like MYM and SK. I think Quantic are legit and the partnership fell apart because IM were not too keen on being more public with their players, be for shows, replay packs and streams. Have we ever seen an IM player stream?
1. QxC shipped Nestea and MVP to Providence, they had a bad experience there and freaked out causing the IM/QxC venture to implode.
I don't know what's up with most of the Koreans, but they seem to have incredible difficulties in dealing with the western world. I'd like to know what that "bad experience" was. Weren't they treated like celebrities and didn't get their extra wishes? Since NASL I'm really wary about them when something happens.
They were jet lagged pretty bad and I'm sure the Open Bracket-style of grinding games all day doesn't play into their experience very well.
Also, from what I've heard (latest SOTG supports this) the player treatment at MLG isn't nearly as good as it could be and because of the hectic experience of MLG weekends it's very hard for players to feel comfortable. When players are delayed starting games (look @ Nestea + Blizzcon) and stuff like that it throws off their mindset and their rhythm.
On December 05 2011 13:27 FidoDido wrote: What a lot of people don't understand is, IM was an independent team for the longest time, one of the only original SCII teams in Korea without a sponsor. It's clear their goal as a team is not to make money, but rather, just produce great players that win tournaments(Artosis commented on this before during a cast in GSL). People often mistake them for a team that is very private and very secretive, but they are really not. They are just a group of players who have a lot of passion for the sport and aren't going out of their way to capitalize off of it, in turn, they don't need as much exposure as other teams who are backed by big sponsors.
So... Why did they join up with Quantic? Where are they expecting to get food from? Are they all hitting the streets to beg borrow and steal when one of them don't win the GSL? I call major BS on that. Everyone wants to make money, they're just not good at it. If they could get sponsors to cash out money for them there's no reason for them not to take the deal. Once again, that's why they joined up with Quantic.
On December 05 2011 13:27 FidoDido wrote: What a lot of people don't understand is, IM was an independent team for the longest time, one of the only original SCII teams in Korea without a sponsor. It's clear their goal as a team is not to make money, but rather, just produce great players that win tournaments(Artosis commented on this before during a cast in GSL). People often mistake them for a team that is very private and very secretive, but they are really not. They are just a group of players who have a lot of passion for the sport and aren't going out of their way to capitalize off of it, in turn, they don't need as much exposure as other teams who are backed by big sponsors.
So... Why did they join up with Quantic? Where are they expecting to get food from? Are they all hitting the streets to beg borrow and steal when one of them don't win the GSL? I call major BS on that. Everyone wants to make money, they're just not good at it. If they could get sponsors to cash out money for them there's no reason for them not to take the deal. Once again, that's why they joined up with Quantic.
On December 05 2011 13:27 FidoDido wrote: What a lot of people don't understand is, IM was an independent team for the longest time, one of the only original SCII teams in Korea without a sponsor. It's clear their goal as a team is not to make money, but rather, just produce great players that win tournaments(Artosis commented on this before during a cast in GSL). People often mistake them for a team that is very private and very secretive, but they are really not. They are just a group of players who have a lot of passion for the sport and aren't going out of their way to capitalize off of it, in turn, they don't need as much exposure as other teams who are backed by big sponsors.
So... Why did they join up with Quantic? Where are they expecting to get food from? Are they all hitting the streets to beg borrow and steal when one of them don't win the GSL? I call major BS on that. Everyone wants to make money, they're just not good at it. If they could get sponsors to cash out money for them there's no reason for them not to take the deal. Once again, that's why they joined up with Quantic.
Uhh they are sponsored by coca cola...
Free coke? :D On a more serious note, good luck to both parties.
On December 03 2011 04:38 red4ce wrote: Wow even Kim Kardashian's marriage lasted longer than Quantic-IM.
man that got me laughing :D.
Back on topic, it's such a shame to see such a potentially great partership ended so early. I am also interested in what happened that could have caused this.
I just had to say that it's amazing the amount of people that replied to the Kim Kardashian reference. No wonder why reddit is pretty much full of SC2 paparazi
On December 04 2011 23:58 Legio wrote: Can we get some Team Liquid independent news coverage on this news? This is just a fluff piece, from the parties involved.
Was there drama involved? Did Quantic not pay their bills? Was Nestea disappointed in the quality of the Quantic team? What does this mean for future deals between Korea and Foreign teams? Will Destiny and SaSe still stay with Quantic after this huge disappointment?
We need some hard hitting journalism here. Where is it?
If you payed any attention to the calendar as of late you would have noticed that the owner of quantic was on @#$% Slasher talking about all the details. That was your coverage.
Sorry, but please don't think that just because it airs in an alright time for the states that everybody is able to watch it.
edit: so is there anywhere, where I can reread what was said in the show?
I think the most revealing comment is SaSe's, he really thinks highly of the Quantic organisation, going as far as to call it the best team he has ever been on, and this is coming from a guy who has been in esports as a player for a long time with a lot of very prestigious organisations like MYM and SK. I think Quantic are legit and the partnership fell apart because IM were not too keen on being more public with their players, be for shows, replay packs and streams. Have we ever seen an IM player stream?
What was answered in the clip: 1. QxC shipped Nestea and MVP to Providence, they had a bad experience there and freaked out causing the IM/QxC venture to implode. 2. QxC doesn't dare burn any bridges, so they took it up the ass. Contract or no contract. 3. SaSe is their great white hope, and everything else is marketing. 4. Destiny and SaSe are under contract so they can't say anything. 5. Destiny is going on vacation to Korea because his babymomma is taking the kid for 3 weeks. 6. SaSe is like Naniwa, a crazy viking who will do anything to live in Korea and win.
What actual news reporting by TL should have answered: 1. IM is cash strapped, they need western dollars to keep their aces happy. Are they taking a risk cutting off money like this? 2. Does the Korean teams have the western teams by the balls? Can Slayers raise their price on EG if they feel like it? 3. Does the Korean team have an understanding of what marketing their talent to the west is worth, or are they just in this to make fast cash? 4. How does the Korean pros look at the prospects of joining western teams? 5. Will QxC survive this hit.
SlayerS/EG is purely a practice partnership, they're not sending MMA to MLG for example. A better example would be coLMVP
coLMVP is now pretty much the only partnership of this type left right now that I can think of. This shit isn't easy I suppose, or perhaps QxG just underestimated how much of a commitment it is to actually work out an international team partnership like this, on top of an international team. It sort of happened in rapid succession for them.
On December 05 2011 13:27 FidoDido wrote: What a lot of people don't understand is, IM was an independent team for the longest time, one of the only original SCII teams in Korea without a sponsor. It's clear their goal as a team is not to make money, but rather, just produce great players that win tournaments(Artosis commented on this before during a cast in GSL). People often mistake them for a team that is very private and very secretive, but they are really not. They are just a group of players who have a lot of passion for the sport and aren't going out of their way to capitalize off of it, in turn, they don't need as much exposure as other teams who are backed by big sponsors.
So... Why did they join up with Quantic? Where are they expecting to get food from? Are they all hitting the streets to beg borrow and steal when one of them don't win the GSL? I call major BS on that. Everyone wants to make money, they're just not good at it. If they could get sponsors to cash out money for them there's no reason for them not to take the deal. Once again, that's why they joined up with Quantic.
Uhh they are sponsored by coca cola...
Free coke? :D On a more serious note, good luck to both parties.
From what I heard, its not really a joke as that's What the sponsorship is, free coke. IM is sponsored by someone else, something like a fast food chicken place I believe.
The interview with fuck slasher was actually really good and informative, gives you a clear picture. So if you like me was confused I recommend checking out.
On December 05 2011 13:27 FidoDido wrote: What a lot of people don't understand is, IM was an independent team for the longest time, one of the only original SCII teams in Korea without a sponsor. It's clear their goal as a team is not to make money, but rather, just produce great players that win tournaments(Artosis commented on this before during a cast in GSL). People often mistake them for a team that is very private and very secretive, but they are really not. They are just a group of players who have a lot of passion for the sport and aren't going out of their way to capitalize off of it, in turn, they don't need as much exposure as other teams who are backed by big sponsors.
So... Why did they join up with Quantic? Where are they expecting to get food from? Are they all hitting the streets to beg borrow and steal when one of them don't win the GSL? I call major BS on that. Everyone wants to make money, they're just not good at it. If they could get sponsors to cash out money for them there's no reason for them not to take the deal. Once again, that's why they joined up with Quantic.
Uhh they are sponsored by coca cola...
Free coke? :D On a more serious note, good luck to both parties.
From what I heard, its not really a joke as that's What the sponsorship is, free coke. IM is sponsored by someone else, something like a fast food chicken place I believe.
I thought Prime was the one sponsored by the chicken place... unless IM's sponsored by one too, which isn't out of the question, but Prime's definitely the one "famous" for being so poor with sponsors that they had to get a chicken place to sponsor them.
On December 05 2011 13:27 FidoDido wrote: What a lot of people don't understand is, IM was an independent team for the longest time, one of the only original SCII teams in Korea without a sponsor. It's clear their goal as a team is not to make money, but rather, just produce great players that win tournaments(Artosis commented on this before during a cast in GSL). People often mistake them for a team that is very private and very secretive, but they are really not. They are just a group of players who have a lot of passion for the sport and aren't going out of their way to capitalize off of it, in turn, they don't need as much exposure as other teams who are backed by big sponsors.
So... Why did they join up with Quantic? Where are they expecting to get food from? Are they all hitting the streets to beg borrow and steal when one of them don't win the GSL? I call major BS on that. Everyone wants to make money, they're just not good at it. If they could get sponsors to cash out money for them there's no reason for them not to take the deal. Once again, that's why they joined up with Quantic.
Uhh they are sponsored by coca cola...
Free coke? :D On a more serious note, good luck to both parties.
From what I heard, its not really a joke as that's What the sponsorship is, free coke. IM is sponsored by someone else, something like a fast food chicken place I believe.
I thought Prime was the one sponsored by the chicken place... unless IM's sponsored by one too, which isn't out of the question, but Prime's definitely the one "famous" for being so poor with sponsors that they had to get a chicken place to sponsor them.
FYI oGs is the team sponsored by a chicken place (Mom's touch), Prime was sponsored by one in the past (Sabasaba), IM has Googims and Coca-Cola as sponsors
On December 05 2011 13:27 FidoDido wrote: What a lot of people don't understand is, IM was an independent team for the longest time, one of the only original SCII teams in Korea without a sponsor. It's clear their goal as a team is not to make money, but rather, just produce great players that win tournaments(Artosis commented on this before during a cast in GSL). People often mistake them for a team that is very private and very secretive, but they are really not. They are just a group of players who have a lot of passion for the sport and aren't going out of their way to capitalize off of it, in turn, they don't need as much exposure as other teams who are backed by big sponsors.
So... Why did they join up with Quantic? Where are they expecting to get food from? Are they all hitting the streets to beg borrow and steal when one of them don't win the GSL? I call major BS on that. Everyone wants to make money, they're just not good at it. If they could get sponsors to cash out money for them there's no reason for them not to take the deal. Once again, that's why they joined up with Quantic.
Uhh they are sponsored by coca cola...
Free coke? :D On a more serious note, good luck to both parties.
From what I heard, its not really a joke as that's What the sponsorship is, free coke. IM is sponsored by someone else, something like a fast food chicken place I believe.
I thought Prime was the one sponsored by the chicken place... unless IM's sponsored by one too, which isn't out of the question, but Prime's definitely the one "famous" for being so poor with sponsors that they had to get a chicken place to sponsor them.
FYI oGs is the team sponsored by a chicken place (Mom's touch), Prime was sponsored by one in the past (Sabasaba), IM has Googims and Coca-Cola as sponsors
I'd say that IM has the best sponsors, in Coca Cola alone.
Since this is a mutual breakup, the title of this article should be "Quantic and IM part ways", rather than saying that one parted ways with the other.
On December 05 2011 13:27 FidoDido wrote: What a lot of people don't understand is, IM was an independent team for the longest time, one of the only original SCII teams in Korea without a sponsor. It's clear their goal as a team is not to make money, but rather, just produce great players that win tournaments(Artosis commented on this before during a cast in GSL). People often mistake them for a team that is very private and very secretive, but they are really not. They are just a group of players who have a lot of passion for the sport and aren't going out of their way to capitalize off of it, in turn, they don't need as much exposure as other teams who are backed by big sponsors.
So... Why did they join up with Quantic? Where are they expecting to get food from? Are they all hitting the streets to beg borrow and steal when one of them don't win the GSL? I call major BS on that. Everyone wants to make money, they're just not good at it. If they could get sponsors to cash out money for them there's no reason for them not to take the deal. Once again, that's why they joined up with Quantic.
Uhh they are sponsored by coca cola...
Free coke? :D On a more serious note, good luck to both parties.
From what I heard, its not really a joke as that's What the sponsorship is, free coke. IM is sponsored by someone else, something like a fast food chicken place I believe.
Well Quantic payed their tickets to the US, didn't they? All Korean teams are super poor. Remember the NASL or dreamhack thing (can't remember which.. maybe it was both) where they wanted the organization to pay literally everything plus some more. The Korean teams are broke. That's why they joined up with western teams. It's not some kind of partnership. Why do you think IM would want to partner up with SaSe and Destiny? They just want whatever money's in the organization.
On December 05 2011 13:27 FidoDido wrote: What a lot of people don't understand is, IM was an independent team for the longest time, one of the only original SCII teams in Korea without a sponsor. It's clear their goal as a team is not to make money, but rather, just produce great players that win tournaments(Artosis commented on this before during a cast in GSL). People often mistake them for a team that is very private and very secretive, but they are really not. They are just a group of players who have a lot of passion for the sport and aren't going out of their way to capitalize off of it, in turn, they don't need as much exposure as other teams who are backed by big sponsors.
So... Why did they join up with Quantic? Where are they expecting to get food from? Are they all hitting the streets to beg borrow and steal when one of them don't win the GSL? I call major BS on that. Everyone wants to make money, they're just not good at it. If they could get sponsors to cash out money for them there's no reason for them not to take the deal. Once again, that's why they joined up with Quantic.
Uhh they are sponsored by coca cola...
Free coke? :D On a more serious note, good luck to both parties.
From what I heard, its not really a joke as that's What the sponsorship is, free coke. IM is sponsored by someone else, something like a fast food chicken place I believe.
I thought Prime was the one sponsored by the chicken place... unless IM's sponsored by one too, which isn't out of the question, but Prime's definitely the one "famous" for being so poor with sponsors that they had to get a chicken place to sponsor them.
FYI oGs is the team sponsored by a chicken place (Mom's touch), Prime was sponsored by one in the past (Sabasaba), IM has Googims and Coca-Cola as sponsors
On December 05 2011 13:27 FidoDido wrote: What a lot of people don't understand is, IM was an independent team for the longest time, one of the only original SCII teams in Korea without a sponsor. It's clear their goal as a team is not to make money, but rather, just produce great players that win tournaments(Artosis commented on this before during a cast in GSL). People often mistake them for a team that is very private and very secretive, but they are really not. They are just a group of players who have a lot of passion for the sport and aren't going out of their way to capitalize off of it, in turn, they don't need as much exposure as other teams who are backed by big sponsors.
So... Why did they join up with Quantic? Where are they expecting to get food from? Are they all hitting the streets to beg borrow and steal when one of them don't win the GSL? I call major BS on that. Everyone wants to make money, they're just not good at it. If they could get sponsors to cash out money for them there's no reason for them not to take the deal. Once again, that's why they joined up with Quantic.
Uhh they are sponsored by coca cola...
Free coke? :D On a more serious note, good luck to both parties.
From what I heard, its not really a joke as that's What the sponsorship is, free coke. IM is sponsored by someone else, something like a fast food chicken place I believe.
I thought Prime was the one sponsored by the chicken place... unless IM's sponsored by one too, which isn't out of the question, but Prime's definitely the one "famous" for being so poor with sponsors that they had to get a chicken place to sponsor them.
FYI oGs is the team sponsored by a chicken place (Mom's touch), Prime was sponsored by one in the past (Sabasaba), IM has Googims and Coca-Cola as sponsors
I'd say that IM has the best sponsors, in Coca Cola alone.
Except that the Coca Cola sponsor is pretty much worthless. Pretty sure that its because of Nestea. If they were a sponsor worth mentioning, they would have a logo on the IM jerseys.
On December 05 2011 13:27 FidoDido wrote: What a lot of people don't understand is, IM was an independent team for the longest time, one of the only original SCII teams in Korea without a sponsor. It's clear their goal as a team is not to make money, but rather, just produce great players that win tournaments(Artosis commented on this before during a cast in GSL). People often mistake them for a team that is very private and very secretive, but they are really not. They are just a group of players who have a lot of passion for the sport and aren't going out of their way to capitalize off of it, in turn, they don't need as much exposure as other teams who are backed by big sponsors.
So... Why did they join up with Quantic? Where are they expecting to get food from? Are they all hitting the streets to beg borrow and steal when one of them don't win the GSL? I call major BS on that. Everyone wants to make money, they're just not good at it. If they could get sponsors to cash out money for them there's no reason for them not to take the deal. Once again, that's why they joined up with Quantic.
Uhh they are sponsored by coca cola...
Free coke? :D On a more serious note, good luck to both parties.
From what I heard, its not really a joke as that's What the sponsorship is, free coke. IM is sponsored by someone else, something like a fast food chicken place I believe.
Well Quantic payed their tickets to the US, didn't they? All Korean teams are super poor. Remember the NASL or dreamhack thing (can't remember which.. maybe it was both) where they wanted the organization to pay literally everything plus some more. The Korean teams are broke. That's why they joined up with western teams. It's not some kind of partnership. Why do you think IM would want to partner up with SaSe and Destiny? They just want whatever money's in the organization.
Well MVP and Nestea should have had their flights and hotels paid for by MLG because of the MLG Global Invitational. I'm pretty sure travel and hotel was included in that. Quantic probably paid for Losira to come though as well as miscellaneous stuff from MVP and Nestea. Of course Quantic was paying IM though. Korean teams do lack funding. I'm just guessing here, but these is my thoughts of what Quantic was doing for IM. They provided foreign travel costs and paid for any costs that their players (Sase and Destiny) had at the IM house. I don't think it was a massive deal that IM was able to improve their financial situation. And with MVP and Nestea not enjoying Providence, they probably will just skip foreign tournaments or go to ones that they don't get a full ride too, making Quantic pretty much useless to them.
On December 04 2011 23:58 Legio wrote: Can we get some Team Liquid independent news coverage on this news? This is just a fluff piece, from the parties involved.
Was there drama involved? Did Quantic not pay their bills? Was Nestea disappointed in the quality of the Quantic team? What does this mean for future deals between Korea and Foreign teams? Will Destiny and SaSe still stay with Quantic after this huge disappointment?
We need some hard hitting journalism here. Where is it?
If you payed any attention to the calendar as of late you would have noticed that the owner of quantic was on @#$% Slasher talking about all the details. That was your coverage.
Sorry, but please don't think that just because it airs in an alright time for the states that everybody is able to watch it.
edit: so is there anywhere, where I can reread what was said in the show?
I think the most revealing comment is SaSe's, he really thinks highly of the Quantic organisation, going as far as to call it the best team he has ever been on, and this is coming from a guy who has been in esports as a player for a long time with a lot of very prestigious organisations like MYM and SK. I think Quantic are legit and the partnership fell apart because IM were not too keen on being more public with their players, be for shows, replay packs and streams. Have we ever seen an IM player stream?
1. QxC shipped Nestea and MVP to Providence, they had a bad experience there and freaked out causing the IM/QxC venture to implode.
I don't know what's up with most of the Koreans, but they seem to have incredible difficulties in dealing with the western world. I'd like to know what that "bad experience" was. Weren't they treated like celebrities and didn't get their extra wishes? Since NASL I'm really wary about them when something happens.
They were jet lagged pretty bad and I'm sure the Open Bracket-style of grinding games all day doesn't play into their experience very well.
Also, from what I've heard (latest SOTG supports this) the player treatment at MLG isn't nearly as good as it could be and because of the hectic experience of MLG weekends it's very hard for players to feel comfortable. When players are delayed starting games (look @ Nestea + Blizzcon) and stuff like that it throws off their mindset and their rhythm.
And this is why MC gets invited to just about everything. He handles the ups and downs of each tournament so well.
On December 04 2011 23:58 Legio wrote: Can we get some Team Liquid independent news coverage on this news? This is just a fluff piece, from the parties involved.
Was there drama involved? Did Quantic not pay their bills? Was Nestea disappointed in the quality of the Quantic team? What does this mean for future deals between Korea and Foreign teams? Will Destiny and SaSe still stay with Quantic after this huge disappointment?
We need some hard hitting journalism here. Where is it?
If you payed any attention to the calendar as of late you would have noticed that the owner of quantic was on @#$% Slasher talking about all the details. That was your coverage.
Sorry, but please don't think that just because it airs in an alright time for the states that everybody is able to watch it.
edit: so is there anywhere, where I can reread what was said in the show?
I think the most revealing comment is SaSe's, he really thinks highly of the Quantic organisation, going as far as to call it the best team he has ever been on, and this is coming from a guy who has been in esports as a player for a long time with a lot of very prestigious organisations like MYM and SK. I think Quantic are legit and the partnership fell apart because IM were not too keen on being more public with their players, be for shows, replay packs and streams. Have we ever seen an IM player stream?
1. QxC shipped Nestea and MVP to Providence, they had a bad experience there and freaked out causing the IM/QxC venture to implode.
I don't know what's up with most of the Koreans, but they seem to have incredible difficulties in dealing with the western world. I'd like to know what that "bad experience" was. Weren't they treated like celebrities and didn't get their extra wishes? Since NASL I'm really wary about them when something happens.
They were jet lagged pretty bad and I'm sure the Open Bracket-style of grinding games all day doesn't play into their experience very well.
Also, from what I've heard (latest SOTG supports this) the player treatment at MLG isn't nearly as good as it could be and because of the hectic experience of MLG weekends it's very hard for players to feel comfortable. When players are delayed starting games (look @ Nestea + Blizzcon) and stuff like that it throws off their mindset and their rhythm.
And this is why MC gets invited to just about everything. He handles the ups and downs of each tournament so well.
MC is also under the oGs/SK partnership (along with NaDa), so all his travel expenses are underwritten already.
I'm sad to hear this, but not entirely surprised. IM, hosting two of the world's best players, pairing up with the relatively underpowered Quantic didn't seem like a great merger.... IM+EG though.....
Sorry for bumping this thread abit, but can someone explain. The two teams still seem to be working together and most players still go by QIM even from the IM players. For example they are playing as QIM in the Ign thing going on right now. Did they not actually split or what?
On December 20 2011 10:43 Hydrox911 wrote: Sorry for bumping this thread abit, but can someone explain. The two teams still seem to be working together and most players still go by QIM even from the IM players. For example they are playing as QIM in the Ign thing going on right now. Did they not actually split or what?
They play as QIM because it started when they were still together, so they will do the whole tournament as QIM
On December 20 2011 10:43 Hydrox911 wrote: Sorry for bumping this thread abit, but can someone explain. The two teams still seem to be working together and most players still go by QIM even from the IM players. For example they are playing as QIM in the Ign thing going on right now. Did they not actually split or what?
I believe that on the page for the ign league it talks about this. Quantic and IM are counted as one team for the remainder of the season. They are otherwise split.
God damn, I just read "Quantic Media parts ways with...". Reaction: Aww shit Naniwa, not again? Now, lucky enough it wasen't that. Hope both teams find new partners! Cheers!