EPTZenio leaves team oGs - Page 13
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NemesysTV
United States1088 Posts
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Tippecanoe
United States342 Posts
On November 13 2011 02:45 farnham wrote: i laugh at people implying that zenio is bad. he beats idra constantly in any tournament they met sure he did not get as much exposure like many other zergs but he is top material. I would hope so his zvz is his best MU and Idra's worst. Zenio's zvz is 71% and his other mu's are 30%. Idra's zvz is 68% and his other MU's are around 60% ish. So yeah Zenio is pretty bad for a pro gamer. Liquid'Zenio is a possibility though. | ||
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elliminist
Japan121 Posts
On November 13 2011 07:21 Tippecanoe wrote: I would hope so his zvz is his best MU and Idra's worst. Zenio's zvz is 71% and his other mu's are 30%. Idra's zvz is 68% and his other MU's are around 60% ish. So yeah Zenio is pretty bad for a pro gamer. Liquid'Zenio is a possibility though. Where is your evidence of Zerio having 30% w/r in other matchups? TPLD has him with average 60% w/r across all mu and zvp 80%. He's stayed in Code S for 6 consecutive seasons, only dropping in the last GSL. Bad pro-gamer huh? | ||
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Paraietta
United Kingdom130 Posts
On November 13 2011 07:14 ReachTheSky wrote: LoL @ everyone saying how the silhouette looks like a player. Its just a basic silhouette that has been used before lol. Its not a picture of anyone in specific lol. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12250154 | ||
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Tippecanoe
United States342 Posts
On November 13 2011 07:27 elliminist wrote: Where is your evidence of Zerio having 30% w/r in other matchups? TPLD has him with average 60% w/r across all mu and zvp 80%. He's stayed in Code S for 6 consecutive seasons, only dropping in the last GSL. Bad pro-gamer huh? Idk what TLPD you are looking at, but here. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/1903_Zenio Obviously hes not bad for a pro gamer its just obvious that he is a zerg sniper. Just how coca is a Protoss sniper. Calm down bro. He sucks at the other MU's but hes good at zvz so in team leagues he is one of the few people who can stand up to people like Idra, Stephano, and Nestea. Also it is hard to drop out of Code S so i am not sure why this is a point in your argument. User was warned for this post | ||
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Poebes
Netherlands192 Posts
Seems pretty clear to me. Look at his right arm where his t-shirt had the same colour as the background. You can see it is photoshopped poorly. | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On November 13 2011 07:31 Tippecanoe wrote: Idk what TLPD you are looking at, but here. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/1903_Zenio Obviously hes not bad for a pro gamer its just obvious that he is a zerg sniper. Just how coca is a Protoss sniper. Calm down bro. He sucks at the other MU's but hes good at zvz so in team leagues he is one of the few people who can stand up to people like Idra, Stephano, and Nestea. Also it is hard to drop out of Code S so i am not sure why this is a point in your argument. You say Zenio is a bad progamer and compare the likes of IdrA and Stephano to NesTea...I don't think you have the slightest clue what you're talking about. Korean players are better than foreigners for the most part, the likes of NesTea, DongRaeGu, Losira et al should be held at a higher standard than IdrA or Stephano. If Zenio was acquired by Liquid, he'd be going to foreign tournaments and would easily be at least able to 'compete' with the top foreign players. | ||
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GP
United States1056 Posts
On November 13 2011 07:21 Tippecanoe wrote: I would hope so his zvz is his best MU and Idra's worst. Zenio's zvz is 71% and his other mu's are 30%. Idra's zvz is 68% and his other MU's are around 60% ish. So yeah Zenio is pretty bad for a pro gamer. Liquid'Zenio is a possibility though. Bad for a progamer? He tops every foreigner he meets, and he despite his losing record, he plays consistently well in the GSL, even when he loses (save that terrible match against Boxer in up and downs ages ago). He's wiped the floor with the likes of Idra, Strelok, and Socke. If you're going to take into account Idra's international record, take a look at Zenio's international record, he's got an insane win record while playing with terrible Korean lag in foreign tournaments. | ||
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Tippecanoe
United States342 Posts
On November 13 2011 07:41 Ruscour wrote: You say Zenio is a bad progamer and compare the likes of IdrA and Stephano to NesTea...I don't think you have the slightest clue what you're talking about. Korean players are better than foreigners for the most part, the likes of NesTea, DongRaeGu, Losira et al should be held at a higher standard than IdrA or Stephano. If Zenio was acquired by Liquid, he'd be going to foreign tournaments and would easily be at least able to 'compete' with the top foreign players. I honestly don't think you can read. Do you know what a sniper is in terms of Starcraft? Obviously not because you have this weak rebuttal that doesn't involve anything. Like I said hes good vs Zerg. Sucks vs every other race. Why? Because i have statistics to prove it. Calm down and read what i wrote then come back with a solid argument. Also you should def read what i said when hes obviously not a bad pro gamer because you can't be a pro gamer and be bad. User was temp banned for this post. Mod edit: Two banned accounts, 9 warns+bans... | ||
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ElusoryX
Singapore2047 Posts
On November 13 2011 07:18 NemesysTV wrote: This is a sign... Liquid'Zenio i knew one of you would do this o: but yeah, would be good for zenio. can dorm all he wants o: | ||
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Bojas
Netherlands2397 Posts
Also Zenio plays top Code S players cause he doesn't really go to foreign events beside NASL. Not sure if we can compare win percentages with foreign players. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On November 13 2011 07:47 Tippecanoe wrote: I honestly don't think you can read. Do you know what a sniper is in terms of Starcraft? Obviously not because you have this weak rebuttal that doesn't involve anything. Like I said hes good vs Zerg. Sucks vs every other race. Why? Because i have statistics to prove it. Calm down and read what i wrote then come back with a solid argument. Also you should def read what i said when hes obviously not a bad pro gamer because you can't be a pro gamer and be bad. The thing is looking at statistics when comparing zenio to foreigners is a flawed approach because the majority of zenio's games are against other koreans, while the majority of foreigner games (ie idra/stephano) are against other foreigners. Therefore, zenio faces stronger competition so while his other matchups may be bad compared to other koreans, you can't make a statement about whether it's bad compared to foreigners without more data. Once zenio joins liquid and starts playing in a lot of foreign tournaments, then you can make an assessment of his play compared to other foreigners. | ||
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Invictus212
United Kingdom78 Posts
On November 13 2011 02:27 Mauldo wrote: /sigh...You guys are basing Zenio moving to TL because of some Reddit post that puts a picture of Zenio beside the silhouette? A lot of people in the announcement thread said the silhouette looked like TLO too. I swear. I thought all the talk about who the silhouette looked like was just people trolling. I didn't realize some individuals were actually serious. How can you honestly tell who it is just based on that outline? We can all fit in there -- depending on how far away we are standing away from the camera! | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On November 13 2011 08:12 Invictus212 wrote: I thought all the talk about who the silhouette looked like was just people trolling. I didn't realize some individuals were actually serious. How can you honestly tell who it is just based on that outline? We can all fit in there -- depending on how far away we are standing away from the camera! Well it's cause the picture of zenio fits the outline perfectly, so the people found the exact picture the outline was taken from. Plus the announcement is nov 21st and zenio plays code A that day so will appear with a liquid shirt that day. | ||
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LeopoldStotch
United States158 Posts
On November 13 2011 07:21 Tippecanoe wrote: I would hope so his zvz is his best MU and Idra's worst. Zenio's zvz is 71% and his other mu's are 30%. Idra's zvz is 68% and his other MU's are around 60% ish. So yeah Zenio is pretty bad for a pro gamer. Liquid'Zenio is a possibility though. In what world does 68% < 60% ish? | ||
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KiLL_ORdeR
United States1518 Posts
I remember reading an interview about him during the early stages of beta where he said he'd only be able to compete for about a year, and then he had to leave. | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8096 Posts
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On November 13 2011 07:21 Tippecanoe wrote: I would hope so his zvz is his best MU and Idra's worst. Zenio's zvz is 71% and his other mu's are 30%. Idra's zvz is 68% and his other MU's are around 60% ish. So yeah Zenio is pretty bad for a pro gamer. Liquid'Zenio is a possibility though. Hi friend! It turns out that win % doesn't necessarily correlate with skill! Guess what also counts? The opinion of other progamers. Guess what? Every Korean pro puts Zenio up with the best of the best zergs in terms of skill! Don't believe me? That's fine, because the truth is readily apparent in innumerable Korean pro interviews :D | ||
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Shadow_Dog
Canada427 Posts
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Syner
19 Posts
On November 13 2011 01:42 Jaw wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CKGPH.png) :D Look on his left sleeve. There is a white fuzzyness where the white patch in the photograph is. Looks like it was Shopped from the same picture. | ||
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