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On September 18 2011 03:54 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 03:48 fant0m wrote:On September 18 2011 01:03 Oktyabr wrote:On September 18 2011 00:48 sambo400 wrote:
If I was his coach I'd be embarrassed that the FANS were the one paying for this. It seems cute now but if they come to expect this sort of thing that will be bad news, especially after they (Korean teams) completely dickd the NASL and didn't even seem sorry about it. If a player with the stardom of MKP cant afford to travel he needs a new team, not charity from fans. I'm pretty sure Korean SC2 teams have lots of money lying around. Oh wait, MVP just asked for any prospective main sponsor to step forward during the post GSL finals interview! I got really mad at your first sentence. >_< Then I read the second. Gotta echo you here, Korean SC2 teams don't have money lying around on the level of EG. And that's really a shame. But with more international appearances of korean Stars, hopefully big western esport sponsors like, razer, amd, intel, steelseries etc. will start supporting korean teams too. I mean Prime, a team who has/had stars like MKP and Polt and 4 GSL Finals with them in its rows, has only _one_ sponsor - a korean chicken resturant. The only difference from that seems to be slayers. With razor and other sponsors, they even could afford some high tier player transfers (puzzle, coca).
Prime lost SabaSaba Chicken as a sponsor a while ago...
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On September 18 2011 03:49 MildSeven wrote:
did anyone see MKP at the GSL code S group picks? lol... i love his playstyle and what not, but he's really... effiminate or borderline gay. He was like hugging Losira like a girlfriend lying on her boyfriend's shoulders and then later on solo playing with his nails or something.
Losira is 'effiminate' too though. I really like them ^^.
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I think it's great he's coming and even better that the community chipped in to bring him to MLG. I'm wondering, however, why he can't afford to fly himself over with all of his GSL prize money or just wait for his invite, which would've came sooner or later (if not already).
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On September 18 2011 03:49 MildSeven wrote:
did anyone see MKP at the GSL code S group picks? lol... i love his playstyle and what not, but he's really... effiminate or borderline gay. He was like hugging Losira like a girlfriend lying on her boyfriend's shoulders and then later on solo playing with his nails or something.
You're saying that as if it's something awful to be gay. Who cares about his sexuality, he's an incredible player and he has an amazing personality.
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*edit* prob inappropriate. Awesome that you can crowd source money like that.
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On September 18 2011 03:49 MildSeven wrote:
did anyone see MKP at the GSL code S group picks? lol... i love his playstyle and what not, but he's really... effiminate or borderline gay. He was like hugging Losira like a girlfriend lying on her boyfriend's shoulders and then later on solo playing with his nails or something.
Here's a hint, most SC2 players ARE gay.
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On September 18 2011 05:11 Ghostface_Killa wrote:
I think it's great he's coming and even better that the community chipped in to bring him to MLG. I'm wondering, however, why he can't afford to fly himself over with all of his GSL prize money or just wait for his invite, which would've came sooner or later (if not already).
He probably can but financially it doesn't make sense. Paying 3000-4000 to gain a probably 10-20 percent chance at 5000 and security for code S. The only thing he'll be getting is the exposure and experience. That's probably a big deal but i don't think Prime and himself are in the position to make that kind of financial decisions.
Not to mention that going to MLG basically means he will lose about at least a week of training or so. In the ever competitive code S, that can make or break your season.
What this donation drive is in my opinion, something like an Appearance Fee. Something you have to give him because otherwise he wouldn't have come/ it would not make sense for him to come.
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You have to wonder how far the generousity of the SCII community will go. Funding their own tourney in a way (Shoutcraft), sending MKP to MLG, giving 30k to Doctor's without borders, and funding documentarys. I mean it's great, and for good causes I guess, but I am afraid that this will become more and more the rule rather than exceptions, and I don't think it's sustaineble in the long run, teams will have to be able to send their own players to tourneys and people have to make their own money. A gaming scene as large as SCII cannot be funded only by fans.
Of course as it is now it's no big deal, and I am not saying what's happend the last weeks are a bad thing, I am just saying that I doubt people will be able to keep relying on fans to donate these huge amounts of money forever.
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On September 18 2011 06:10 Sovern wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 03:49 MildSeven wrote:
did anyone see MKP at the GSL code S group picks? lol... i love his playstyle and what not, but he's really... effiminate or borderline gay. He was like hugging Losira like a girlfriend lying on her boyfriend's shoulders and then later on solo playing with his nails or something.
Here's a hint, most SC2 players ARE gay.
Legit statistics there. Many pros have girlfriends or have shown interest in them...
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Wow, this is so awesome. Way to go Milkis. Do you think we can get him to do the Kong dance on stage like he did for GSL All Stars? :D
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On September 18 2011 06:41 jcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 06:10 Sovern wrote:On September 18 2011 03:49 MildSeven wrote:
did anyone see MKP at the GSL code S group picks? lol... i love his playstyle and what not, but he's really... effiminate or borderline gay. He was like hugging Losira like a girlfriend lying on her boyfriend's shoulders and then later on solo playing with his nails or something.
Here's a hint, most SC2 players ARE gay. Legit statistics there. Many pros have girlfriends or have shown interest in them...
All a coverup.
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On September 18 2011 06:28 Zalitara wrote:
You have to wonder how far the generousity of the SCII community will go. Funding their own tourney in a way (Shoutcraft), sending MKP to MLG, giving 30k to Doctor's without borders, and funding documentarys. I mean it's great, and for good causes I guess, but I am afraid that this will become more and more the rule rather than exceptions, and I don't think it's sustaineble in the long run, teams will have to be able to send their own players to tourneys and people have to make their own money. A gaming scene as large as SCII cannot be funded only by fans.
Of course as it is now it's no big deal, and I am not saying what's happend the last weeks are a bad thing, I am just saying that I doubt people will be able to keep relying on fans to donate these huge amounts of money forever.
It might be more sustainable than you may think. However, becoming dependent on it, is probably the wrong way for things to head. I do agree on that. A good mixture of both is healthy. It allows the community to actively participate, while still showing sponsors and such that there really is a market for this. This market is much more dedicated than people who watch TV. It costs much less, and the return on investment is maybe much higher (i have no real statistics though). The closest example of this is probably the DOTA 2 tournament. The 1 million dollars probably got more potential buyers than TV advertising for the same cost.
The fans are in the tens of thousands, maybe close to a hundred thousand for some events. So even a fraction donating just one dollar to their favorite players is very easy to come by. Of course you have the really generous people, but the fact still sits there.
If you even think about 50k of the Dreamhack viewers donating the 3500 dollars necessary to send MKP, thats just a mere 7% of the audience who donates 1 dollar, or 7 cents per viewer. Destiny / Sheth's charity event probably averaged out to around 1-3 dollars per viewer.
People who follow community sites (TL, Reddit, etc) fit in the more "hardcore" group of players, and the relative percentage of people donating is much higher than say, the blizzard sc2 board, which might have more total viewers, but much less would be willing to donate to people.
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Why is a guy who won $90,000 USD in 1 year asking for community support to send him somewhere >_>
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On September 18 2011 08:02 rO_Or wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 06:41 jcc wrote:On September 18 2011 06:10 Sovern wrote:On September 18 2011 03:49 MildSeven wrote:
did anyone see MKP at the GSL code S group picks? lol... i love his playstyle and what not, but he's really... effiminate or borderline gay. He was like hugging Losira like a girlfriend lying on her boyfriend's shoulders and then later on solo playing with his nails or something.
Here's a hint, most SC2 players ARE gay. Legit statistics there. Many pros have girlfriends or have shown interest in them... All a coverup.
I'm sure everyone in the oGs house is at least a little bi. They get to be with NaDa... that changes a person.
+ Show Spoiler +Before anyone grabs their flamethrower, I'm aware that sexuality can't actually be changed. This comment was made in jest, nothing more.
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On September 18 2011 08:30 Xeris wrote:
Why is a guy who won $90,000 USD in 1 year asking for community support to send him somewhere >_>
He probably gave all the money to his parents. Not even joking.
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On September 18 2011 08:30 Xeris wrote:
Why is a guy who won $90,000 USD in 1 year asking for community support to send him somewhere >_>
what makes you think MKP asked for this? the community asked for this.
and when I say community I mean /r/starcraft
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Well now we know who will finish second at Orlando.
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On September 18 2011 08:30 Xeris wrote:
Why is a guy who won $90,000 USD in 1 year asking for community support to send him somewhere >_>
MarineKing didn't even know there was intention by his foreign fans to send him to MLG Orlando. It started as a thread on /r/starcraft that attempted to get support of moderation from djWHEAT. Then it went quiet until Milkis decided to take charge of the efforts.
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On September 18 2011 08:30 Xeris wrote:
Why is a guy who won $90,000 USD in 1 year asking for community support to send him somewhere >_>
He didn't ask for community support, the community offered support.
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On September 18 2011 09:32 cyprin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 08:30 Xeris wrote:
Why is a guy who won $90,000 USD in 1 year asking for community support to send him somewhere >_> He didn't ask for community support, the community offered support.
Not too bad then !
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