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Fredh
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden5 Posts
February 21 2012 08:20 GMT
#1701
A foreigner and a korean for each race i think is underrated.

protoss - ToD and NSHTassadar

zerg - Morrow and iS.Crazymoving

terran - vileillusion and oGsSupernova

They are all well known players, but non of them are really in the spotlight in tournaments, except for when Artosis pointed out Supernova, and i can see why.
Your handwriting's now so good, that one can see how badly you spell.
Astro-Penguin
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
554 Posts
February 21 2012 08:21 GMT
#1702
On February 20 2012 00:51 Abrafred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 17:48 FriedRice wrote:
IMYongHwa

I think your pick is pretty weird. Everyone talks about YongHwa and how cool he is and how he killed 4gate in pvp and is a sort of Messiah. So much hype coming towards him, not much from him shown on the big stage. I think that he is overrated if anything. You would think that a player like YongHwa!!!!! would at least make it to the Up&Down Matches of GSL.


YongHwa's PvP is overrated yes, however if you watch a lot of these smaller korean weekly tournaments you will see that this guy is actually one of the most talented macro Protoss out there. Unlike the majority of players like MC and MC copycats YongHwa's play style focuses on a much more unforgiving macro style of Protoss. (Essentially he plays how Artosis would play Protoss if he had more time to practice and become pro.) Specifically his PvT is pretty damn amazing, his game against Bomber in the GSTL in my opinion despite being really outdated is still better then the majority of PvT we see now a days. Being stuck in in Code B doesn't mean a player is bad by any means, If i recall DRG was stuck in Code A and B for ages until he finally broke through. I'm looking for big results from YongHwa in the future, in fact this guy is probably my most hyped up Protoss in Korea to date.
Vamp
Profile Joined June 2008
United Kingdom184 Posts
February 21 2012 08:22 GMT
#1703
Mr Ra
`';..;'` http://www.facebook.com/Vamp.Sc2
qwertzi
Profile Joined March 2011
111 Posts
February 21 2012 08:40 GMT
#1704
On July 18 2011 01:27 lunchforthesky wrote:
Polt Prime - Won a GSL and still not comsidered by most to be a top Terran player.

MC - Despite winning more money than anyone else in Sc2, despite being the only Protoss GSL winner and constantly showing better micro/macro/game sense/strategy than any other Protoss in the world by far people seem to begrudgingly accept him as a great player. It's absurd, he's 10 times better than any other Protoss player in Sc2 and yet he's still referred to by most as "one of the best Protoss players", rather than the God of Protoss that he is.

TOP - MMA and Puma might have all the hype but TOP has the results in Korean solo tournaments. Code A winner, Super Tournament Semi finalist (knocked out Nestea), some reasonable Code S runs. Great player.

Byun - Another fantastic Korean Terran who has no hype behind him but consistantly produces good results at the highest level.

DDE - Cheesy player but has good results for a foreigner.

Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 00:34 criogenics wrote:
Nerchio + LoWeLy


Nerchio is way overrated in Europe.


These are some of the dumbest things anyone has said so far!
One at a time:

Polt: No Results since Supertournament, and by no means an up and coming player

MC: Simply not true, MVP and NesTea have both one more! At times he as actually shown damn poor game senses! Were he didn't adapt but did his built anyways.., AND BY NO MEANS an up and coming player...

TOP: LOL you try to rank TOP with MMA.. because TOP has won CODE A and won some third tier solo tournaments? N/C

Byun: Constantly good results?!?!?? o.O You really live in another universe

Nerchio overrated? Hole fucking shit I just cannot belive what you are saying. He actually has some good results..
And beat Mana 5-0 and lost to Jakji 4-5 in bo9 series's ... you really dont know what you are talking about
SoniC_eu
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1008 Posts
February 21 2012 09:21 GMT
#1705
This all depends on how you "rate" players. PRize sum? Which players they beat? Consistency? Popularity?
In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than your fear of failure. http://da.twitch.tv/sonic_eu
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
February 21 2012 11:39 GMT
#1706
Major is actually an amazing player whos one day gonna boss it up and win the gsl
dr Helvetica <3
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12909 Posts
February 21 2012 11:41 GMT
#1707
On February 21 2012 17:21 Astro-Penguin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 00:51 Abrafred wrote:
On February 19 2012 17:48 FriedRice wrote:
IMYongHwa

I think your pick is pretty weird. Everyone talks about YongHwa and how cool he is and how he killed 4gate in pvp and is a sort of Messiah. So much hype coming towards him, not much from him shown on the big stage. I think that he is overrated if anything. You would think that a player like YongHwa!!!!! would at least make it to the Up&Down Matches of GSL.


YongHwa's PvP is overrated yes, however if you watch a lot of these smaller korean weekly tournaments you will see that this guy is actually one of the most talented macro Protoss out there. Unlike the majority of players like MC and MC copycats YongHwa's play style focuses on a much more unforgiving macro style of Protoss. (Essentially he plays how Artosis would play Protoss if he had more time to practice and become pro.) Specifically his PvT is pretty damn amazing, his game against Bomber in the GSTL in my opinion despite being really outdated is still better then the majority of PvT we see now a days. Being stuck in in Code B doesn't mean a player is bad by any means, If i recall DRG was stuck in Code A and B for ages until he finally broke through. I'm looking for big results from YongHwa in the future, in fact this guy is probably my most hyped up Protoss in Korea to date.

YongHwa's supposed smurf is a total PvP beast. But maybe he can't play as well in meaningful competitions.
WriterMaru
KapsyL
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden704 Posts
February 21 2012 11:46 GMT
#1708
Grubby bro. So good and he'll prove it soon in tournaments!
Jurg Jurg Jurg
Zokkar
Profile Joined December 2010
Israel128 Posts
February 21 2012 12:52 GMT
#1709
Sinok and Lemon
KinQuh
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland810 Posts
February 21 2012 12:58 GMT
#1710
On February 21 2012 17:08 CKHound wrote:
Axslav all the way, hes one of the best players and never gets any credit

Dont beat anybody, be one of the best players.
Holy check.
Beamo
Profile Joined March 2003
France1279 Posts
February 21 2012 13:34 GMT
#1711
On February 21 2012 17:40 qwertzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 01:27 lunchforthesky wrote:
Polt Prime - Won a GSL and still not comsidered by most to be a top Terran player.

MC - Despite winning more money than anyone else in Sc2, despite being the only Protoss GSL winner and constantly showing better micro/macro/game sense/strategy than any other Protoss in the world by far people seem to begrudgingly accept him as a great player. It's absurd, he's 10 times better than any other Protoss player in Sc2 and yet he's still referred to by most as "one of the best Protoss players", rather than the God of Protoss that he is.

TOP - MMA and Puma might have all the hype but TOP has the results in Korean solo tournaments. Code A winner, Super Tournament Semi finalist (knocked out Nestea), some reasonable Code S runs. Great player.

Byun - Another fantastic Korean Terran who has no hype behind him but consistantly produces good results at the highest level.

DDE - Cheesy player but has good results for a foreigner.

On July 18 2011 00:34 criogenics wrote:
Nerchio + LoWeLy


Nerchio is way overrated in Europe.


These are some of the dumbest things anyone has said so far!
One at a time:

Polt: No Results since Supertournament, and by no means an up and coming player

MC: Simply not true, MVP and NesTea have both one more! At times he as actually shown damn poor game senses! Were he didn't adapt but did his built anyways.., AND BY NO MEANS an up and coming player...

TOP: LOL you try to rank TOP with MMA.. because TOP has won CODE A and won some third tier solo tournaments? N/C

Byun: Constantly good results?!?!?? o.O You really live in another universe

Nerchio overrated? Hole fucking shit I just cannot belive what you are saying. He actually has some good results..
And beat Mana 5-0 and lost to Jakji 4-5 in bo9 series's ... you really dont know what you are talking about


You might want to check when that was posted before commenting...
Now agreed none of these players really confirmed since then but in July that claim was not completely stupid.
qwertzi
Profile Joined March 2011
111 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-21 16:27:49
February 21 2012 16:26 GMT
#1712
On February 21 2012 22:34 Beamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 17:40 qwertzi wrote:
On July 18 2011 01:27 lunchforthesky wrote:
Polt Prime - Won a GSL and still not comsidered by most to be a top Terran player.

MC - Despite winning more money than anyone else in Sc2, despite being the only Protoss GSL winner and constantly showing better micro/macro/game sense/strategy than any other Protoss in the world by far people seem to begrudgingly accept him as a great player. It's absurd, he's 10 times better than any other Protoss player in Sc2 and yet he's still referred to by most as "one of the best Protoss players", rather than the God of Protoss that he is.

TOP - MMA and Puma might have all the hype but TOP has the results in Korean solo tournaments. Code A winner, Super Tournament Semi finalist (knocked out Nestea), some reasonable Code S runs. Great player.

Byun - Another fantastic Korean Terran who has no hype behind him but consistantly produces good results at the highest level.

DDE - Cheesy player but has good results for a foreigner.

On July 18 2011 00:34 criogenics wrote:
Nerchio + LoWeLy


Nerchio is way overrated in Europe.


These are some of the dumbest things anyone has said so far!
One at a time:

Polt: No Results since Supertournament, and by no means an up and coming player

MC: Simply not true, MVP and NesTea have both one more! At times he as actually shown damn poor game senses! Were he didn't adapt but did his built anyways.., AND BY NO MEANS an up and coming player...

TOP: LOL you try to rank TOP with MMA.. because TOP has won CODE A and won some third tier solo tournaments? N/C

Byun: Constantly good results?!?!?? o.O You really live in another universe

Nerchio overrated? Hole fucking shit I just cannot belive what you are saying. He actually has some good results..
And beat Mana 5-0 and lost to Jakji 4-5 in bo9 series's ... you really dont know what you are talking about


You might want to check when that was posted before commenting...
Now agreed none of these players really confirmed since then but in July that claim was not completely stupid.


actually, back then even more so!

polt: why would he have been underrated in july? if anything he was overrated! as time has proven!

same as above holds for MC, in july underrated? I dont think so, he did "bad" moves.. didnt play as good as he was before, but underrated?

TOP and Byun: At the time they had 1-2 decent results, but underrated? again if anything overrated!

the only player he defined as overrated was nerchio, the one play who has improved significantly and shown some great results since! meaning by then, he was prolly underrated :D

Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
February 21 2012 16:44 GMT
#1713
Protoss : NSHSSan and ToD
Zerg : Dont know enough about korean zergs.
Terran: TheSTC
Envy fan since NTH.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3479 Posts
February 21 2012 16:52 GMT
#1714
MaNa, Tod/Sage.
Bratok, Happy/Gumiho, The STC
Morrow, Sen/Golden, Check
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
February 21 2012 16:53 GMT
#1715
I agree with San and ToD being underrated. i think yonghwa is underrated he plays like genius in pvt, super safe macro style.

i think revival is underrated

there are so many terrans that are underrated just because the top few are fucking gods. Jjakji, IMHappy (niniVP), sC (sickness + he's only 16, so he'll be back in form)

Founder of Flow Enterprises, LLC http://flow-enterprises.com/
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-21 17:05:18
February 21 2012 17:04 GMT
#1716
sculp, Seal, gumiho,

Morrow, Delphi, sYz

whole Team Empire and Team RoX.KIS
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-21 18:38:26
February 21 2012 18:37 GMT
#1717
--- Nuked ---
cashmate
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden68 Posts
February 21 2012 18:41 GMT
#1718
I think sjow will do better in tournaments soon.
His play might not look so good but he still wins most of the time.
Fredh
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden5 Posts
February 21 2012 21:46 GMT
#1719
On February 22 2012 03:37 monkybone wrote:
Most definitely Maru Prime. He is a Korean Terran. His code A performance was impressing, and he all-killed startale, including making bomber look like a fool. I will be following this guy. He is only 14 years old, and I think he will be one of the best sc2 players in due time.



BBongbbongPrime All-killed the FUnited team with players like Moon in them, he was also one among the first to take out NesTea in a TV broadcast. He is quite skilled tbh, but i dont really like the way he acts etc
Your handwriting's now so good, that one can see how badly you spell.
leecH
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany385 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-21 21:58:46
February 21 2012 21:58 GMT
#1720
i feel like most answers here come down to players not having enough attention because they are not, as a personality, interesting enough.

don´t know about all you experts but i have a hard time analyzing the level of play of someone who is obviously way better then me and making the statement that his level of play is underrated. i mean... underrated by who? people like me fooling around in diamond league who can´t even achieve a logical worker saturation?

but in the spirit of a drunken soccer fan i´d say Socke. because i am a fan of him. yea thats it. like the guy. would like to see him more. im to honest for this world..
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