EPTOn August 22 2012 07:09 caneras wrote:
To give him some credit, the coL documentary hadn't been released when he posted that. Would be curious to see if his opinion is different now though.
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On August 22 2012 06:49 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
You obviously did not watch the short complexity documentary that the Star Nation crew made. Completely groundless speculation is bad enough, but groundless speculation at the straight up ignorance of available data is even worse.
On July 21 2012 02:23 TeslasPigeon wrote:
After watching the the Liquid Rising documentary, I honestly have no hope for any future documentaries about starcraft. Star Nation seems to have no unifying narrative across the trailers. It gives a vibe that everything is "awesome" and "happy" in the various communities, while upbeat features may bode well with some viewers this is nothing short of a circlejerk. The only notable work that the site list is "The Spirit Molecule" and according to imdb none of the people involved in Star Nation had any influence in The Spirit Molecule nor do their imdb pages list any notable pieces or awards won. It looks like several projects made during school and they might have possibly been stage hands or PAs on some large scale commercials. Nothing that indicates the ability to tell a cohesive story.
I am also weary of filmmakers trying to make a name for themselves without any experience in storytelling. There is a reason why most authors of novels are in their late 30s/40s/50s when publishers are able to sell their work. They have a lifetime of experience in knowing how to tell a story. While I'm sure everyone can come up with examples of others who made it when they were young, most artists aren't successful in their medium until they are beginning middle age.
Storytelling is something hard to teach, it is often done wrong but when it is done right you know the reasons why. The Starcraft community, for the most part, doesn't have many people whose stories would be interesting enough to warrant a documentary. Maybe an interview but not much else. Take another Starcraft documentary that is still being made, "Sons of Starcraft." While Tasteless and Artosis may be nice people (I never met them) and they are successful, I believe their stories on how they got where they are isn't enough to warrant a feature length documentary and I highly doubt that the filmmaker will portray them in a manner that will be engaging. The real talk that JP made with Tasteless was pretty dry as is. Unless Tasteless is hiding massive amounts of skeletons in his closet, he is a normal person with a well paying job. Unless the filmmaker for Sons of Starcraft takes some liberties or knows something that we all don't, the film may very likely be a massive bore with pretty visuals, witty remarks, and maybe an interview that no one has seen. Hardly breathtaking, hardly worthwhile, and hardly innovative.
I see the same fate happening for Star Nation. I'd like to be proven wrong but it is so easy to make a shit movie. The exceptions we see are just that, exceptions. Star Nation will be no different. Unless these documentaries that are coming out put up some scenes that show critical discussions and/or negative portrayal, they all seem to be massive commercials for advertising, marketing, and branding interests at best or shitty interviews at worst. Nice visuals and decent music will never make up for a coherent narratives and engaging story lines.
I hope I'm wrong but I sincerely doubt it.
After watching the the Liquid Rising documentary, I honestly have no hope for any future documentaries about starcraft. Star Nation seems to have no unifying narrative across the trailers. It gives a vibe that everything is "awesome" and "happy" in the various communities, while upbeat features may bode well with some viewers this is nothing short of a circlejerk. The only notable work that the site list is "The Spirit Molecule" and according to imdb none of the people involved in Star Nation had any influence in The Spirit Molecule nor do their imdb pages list any notable pieces or awards won. It looks like several projects made during school and they might have possibly been stage hands or PAs on some large scale commercials. Nothing that indicates the ability to tell a cohesive story.
I am also weary of filmmakers trying to make a name for themselves without any experience in storytelling. There is a reason why most authors of novels are in their late 30s/40s/50s when publishers are able to sell their work. They have a lifetime of experience in knowing how to tell a story. While I'm sure everyone can come up with examples of others who made it when they were young, most artists aren't successful in their medium until they are beginning middle age.
Storytelling is something hard to teach, it is often done wrong but when it is done right you know the reasons why. The Starcraft community, for the most part, doesn't have many people whose stories would be interesting enough to warrant a documentary. Maybe an interview but not much else. Take another Starcraft documentary that is still being made, "Sons of Starcraft." While Tasteless and Artosis may be nice people (I never met them) and they are successful, I believe their stories on how they got where they are isn't enough to warrant a feature length documentary and I highly doubt that the filmmaker will portray them in a manner that will be engaging. The real talk that JP made with Tasteless was pretty dry as is. Unless Tasteless is hiding massive amounts of skeletons in his closet, he is a normal person with a well paying job. Unless the filmmaker for Sons of Starcraft takes some liberties or knows something that we all don't, the film may very likely be a massive bore with pretty visuals, witty remarks, and maybe an interview that no one has seen. Hardly breathtaking, hardly worthwhile, and hardly innovative.
I see the same fate happening for Star Nation. I'd like to be proven wrong but it is so easy to make a shit movie. The exceptions we see are just that, exceptions. Star Nation will be no different. Unless these documentaries that are coming out put up some scenes that show critical discussions and/or negative portrayal, they all seem to be massive commercials for advertising, marketing, and branding interests at best or shitty interviews at worst. Nice visuals and decent music will never make up for a coherent narratives and engaging story lines.
I hope I'm wrong but I sincerely doubt it.
You obviously did not watch the short complexity documentary that the Star Nation crew made. Completely groundless speculation is bad enough, but groundless speculation at the straight up ignorance of available data is even worse.
To give him some credit, the coL documentary hadn't been released when he posted that. Would be curious to see if his opinion is different now though.
Whoops, easy to lose track of the days in summer haha.
