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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
October 19 2010 17:45 GMT
#61
dam demuslim. 262 wins to only 69 losses. thats sick
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grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
October 19 2010 17:46 GMT
#62
Hell yeah, Dimaga! so nice to see him sticking with Zerg
We make signature, then defense it.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10307 Posts
October 19 2010 17:56 GMT
#63
should get a mod to change the title to "New Top 200" or smth seeing as its all the servers now

love the numbers im seeing
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
October 19 2010 19:12 GMT
#64
On October 20 2010 02:56 SmoKim wrote:
should get a mod to change the title to "New Top 200" or smth seeing as its all the servers now

love the numbers im seeing


I love 'em as well!

And yes, a mod can change the title if they want
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
escobari
Profile Joined July 2010
Finland192 Posts
October 19 2010 20:23 GMT
#65
I love how some people have misconception of protoss just 4gating in top200, when it's not reality in top2k or even top5k.
TitleRug
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States651 Posts
October 19 2010 21:30 GMT
#66
wow this patch changes so much i might just switch to zerg
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 21:38:13
October 19 2010 21:37 GMT
#67
On October 20 2010 05:23 escobari wrote:
I love how some people have misconception of protoss just 4gating in top200, when it's not reality in top2k or even top5k.


um your wrong. I have played 1900 diamond tosses who are in the top 200 who only 4 gate. I have played one in particular who is in top 50 and all 4 times I have played him he 4 gated me all 4 times. So there are toss players who just 4 gate and get into the top 200 but a majority don't seem too.

Its glad to see zerg finally getting like half the slots in the top 20 :D. Doubt it'll be the same in a week or 2 as I assume terran/protoss will start adjusting their play as they play more zergs at the higher levels.
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lim1017
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1278 Posts
October 19 2010 21:41 GMT
#68
this is only a week after the patch to... Give it some time.

if zerg really is OP more will make it in.

On the other hand T & P could just to struggling with how to handle the more aggressive zerg (4 range roach)
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12071 Posts
October 19 2010 21:42 GMT
#69
I'm not sure if this is the right place to say this, but It's not just in the top 200 zerg are getting more players.

Basically every single ladder game I've played over the past week or so have been like...

zerg zerg zerg zerg zerg zerg zerg zerg zerg zerg zerg zerg protoss zerg zerg zerg zerg terran

There's a ton more Zerg's, atleast in Diamond Level that I get matched up with anyways on the Euro server.
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toadstool
Profile Joined May 2006
Australia421 Posts
October 19 2010 21:45 GMT
#70
Yeah, I just played 5 ZvZ's in a row on USWest server.

A notable difference is that I'm facing Zergs who have an average APM of 130 rather than a Protoss or Terran with 60 APM at the 1,500 diamond mark.

NEWB?!
toadstool
Profile Joined May 2006
Australia421 Posts
October 19 2010 21:52 GMT
#71
On October 20 2010 01:44 heishe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2010 01:26 hoovehand wrote:
On October 20 2010 01:22 heishe wrote:
On October 20 2010 01:14 hoovehand wrote:
heishe, your argument doesn't add up i'm afraid.

the terran/protoss player bases are twice as big as the zerg player base. therefore zerg SHOULD have roughly half as many representing the race in the top 200.

however - the patch has only recently come out so it will of course favour zerg a lot and we'll only know for sure when it's settled down in a few weeks at least.


yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. it should be something like: 25% zerg, 35% toss, rest terran in the top or something like that, but it's not like that at the moment because of what I stated.

This temporary "imbalance" will level itself out once Protoss and Terrans get as good as Zerg players.

By the way, you will see that the really good Terrans and Protoss players will be practically unaffected by the patch. This is why the korean top200 won't swing around as hard as it does here, where basically a majority of the top200 players were Ts and Ps who didn't understand the game really well and were there just because of imbalance.


i don't quite know what you mean by 'get as good as zerg players'.

as if to say playing as zerg was so tough that you learned how to fly when protoss and terran could be pro while crawling?

believe me, if zerg was ever 'that hard' then no pro player would bother playing the race... as it stands they only won the biggest sc2 tournament to date during a zerg-weak build.

listen to more than artosis and idra, because there is just a little bit of bias coming from that corner.


well, the thing is, zerg really is that hard compared to toss and terran. and I'm not just saying that out of the air: I'm offracing with protoss (with a second account) and I'm now about 1400 after 90 games, without actually trying to improve (i just do it for fun so I only played 90 games in like two months). And it simply feels a lot easier. You don't need as much APM, your units are more powerful and you have more strategical choices. I haven't played Terran enough to say the same thing, but I imagine it must be similar, otherwise there wouldn't be any imbalance at all.

And by easier I literally mean easier. There's just literally no game with Toss where you sweat after the game because you're exhausted and need to focus that hard etc. With Zerg it's like that basically after every game except for ZvZ maybe.

and if you have any understanding about the game at all, you will know that the only reason cool won was because two terrans (top and rainbow) played very poorly and made the same mistake against him: basically doing nothing and letting him macro up all game long. otherwise he would've been out in the ro8. I mean look at delta quadrant cool vs rainbow for example. He basically started harassing for real when Cool had ultras out.


I think that Zerg is a lot harder for newbie players to play, so they stick to Protoss and Terran.

Oh, and good players should not be a 'end all' reflection of how races works.

Say for example, 5,000 new players pick Protoss 5,000 new players pick Terran and 1,000 players pick Zerg.

We know that most of these new players will never reach top 200 unless they train hard, and looking at the top 200 most players have played Starcraft from before and kept their races. At most it should affect it by a couple of %
NEWB?!
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
October 19 2010 22:03 GMT
#72
Yay I finally broke NA top 200. Weekend only gaming woot!
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
October 19 2010 22:04 GMT
#73
By the looks of it this patch really sucks for Protoss.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
October 19 2010 22:09 GMT
#74
On October 20 2010 06:52 toadstool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2010 01:44 heishe wrote:
On October 20 2010 01:26 hoovehand wrote:
On October 20 2010 01:22 heishe wrote:
On October 20 2010 01:14 hoovehand wrote:
heishe, your argument doesn't add up i'm afraid.

the terran/protoss player bases are twice as big as the zerg player base. therefore zerg SHOULD have roughly half as many representing the race in the top 200.

however - the patch has only recently come out so it will of course favour zerg a lot and we'll only know for sure when it's settled down in a few weeks at least.


yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. it should be something like: 25% zerg, 35% toss, rest terran in the top or something like that, but it's not like that at the moment because of what I stated.

This temporary "imbalance" will level itself out once Protoss and Terrans get as good as Zerg players.

By the way, you will see that the really good Terrans and Protoss players will be practically unaffected by the patch. This is why the korean top200 won't swing around as hard as it does here, where basically a majority of the top200 players were Ts and Ps who didn't understand the game really well and were there just because of imbalance.


i don't quite know what you mean by 'get as good as zerg players'.

as if to say playing as zerg was so tough that you learned how to fly when protoss and terran could be pro while crawling?

believe me, if zerg was ever 'that hard' then no pro player would bother playing the race... as it stands they only won the biggest sc2 tournament to date during a zerg-weak build.

listen to more than artosis and idra, because there is just a little bit of bias coming from that corner.


well, the thing is, zerg really is that hard compared to toss and terran. and I'm not just saying that out of the air: I'm offracing with protoss (with a second account) and I'm now about 1400 after 90 games, without actually trying to improve (i just do it for fun so I only played 90 games in like two months). And it simply feels a lot easier. You don't need as much APM, your units are more powerful and you have more strategical choices. I haven't played Terran enough to say the same thing, but I imagine it must be similar, otherwise there wouldn't be any imbalance at all.

And by easier I literally mean easier. There's just literally no game with Toss where you sweat after the game because you're exhausted and need to focus that hard etc. With Zerg it's like that basically after every game except for ZvZ maybe.

and if you have any understanding about the game at all, you will know that the only reason cool won was because two terrans (top and rainbow) played very poorly and made the same mistake against him: basically doing nothing and letting him macro up all game long. otherwise he would've been out in the ro8. I mean look at delta quadrant cool vs rainbow for example. He basically started harassing for real when Cool had ultras out.


I think that Zerg is a lot harder for newbie players to play, so they stick to Protoss and Terran.

Oh, and good players should not be a 'end all' reflection of how races works.

Say for example, 5,000 new players pick Protoss 5,000 new players pick Terran and 1,000 players pick Zerg.

We know that most of these new players will never reach top 200 unless they train hard, and looking at the top 200 most players have played Starcraft from before and kept their races. At most it should affect it by a couple of %


I'm sorry, I don't quite get what you're trying to say here. I mean, I understand what you're saying, but how does it relate to my post at all?


by the way weirdly enough, going through that list, I'm regularily playing at least 5-10 guys in the top200 there, the highest being RedToss who is on #56, yet I'm not on the list even though all the matches are "even matches". I guess I don't play enough.
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BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-20 06:52:02
October 20 2010 06:51 GMT
#75
Protoss go 4 gate partly because their ways to expand are very unsafe. It's very hard to figure a build that lets you get a relatively safe second base, so most people don't really bother with designing it because designing means lots of embarassing losses. Now that forge FE has taken a huge hit by the roach buff it's especially relevant.
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