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On August 26 2010 01:27 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 17:34 Grettin wrote:
It was just a speculation. It doesn't make you racist. Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 00:36 zerg4hire wrote:
lol fruitseller and SKs both top players in korea.
sersiously, Fruitsellre makes zerg look op.
From their persepective, i guess he doesnt feel like he wants to play with the foreigners.
especially teaching or showing them the techniques they've studied all this time.
think of it this way, its like 1 asian dude going into a school full of white people
but this time its reversed, now get it ?
why cant the world be a better place, just stop hating on each other.
Your 'speculation' breeds more ignorance. This thread is beyond ridiculous. Please name me a source that stated these players left due to racism. Otherwise, stop making wild conjecture based on your anglo-centric perceptions about Asia.
I'm sorry if you got offended somehow by these speculations. And just to let you know, i like Asia, i love it's culture and people. But facts are facts, you gotta deal with them.
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Uhm Tester was going to join the military? He said that in an interview with Artosis on SCforall..
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On August 26 2010 01:46 OPSavioR wrote:
Uhm Tester was going to join the military? He said that in an interview with Artosis on SCforall..
Yes, he said it himself in the interview with Liquid. He wants to play more freely before army.
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Even if they left because foreigners were "invading" their house I still don't think it's pure racism, foreigners usually have a really hard time getting used to their training system therefore being troublesome to everyone else in the same environment, it is a cultural difference and some people think the gain is not worth the trouble. Although the oGs's manager and captain agree that it is worth the exchanging of experiences.
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On August 26 2010 01:33 Dystisis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 01:25 robertdinh wrote:On August 26 2010 00:36 zerg4hire wrote:
lol fruitseller and SKs both top players in korea.
sersiously, Fruitsellre makes zerg look op.
From their persepective, i guess he doesnt feel like he wants to play with the foreigners.
especially teaching or showing them the techniques they've studied all this time.
think of it this way, its like 1 asian dude going into a school full of white people
but this time its reversed, now get it ?
why cant the world be a better place, just stop hating on each other.
I don't see why players that compete against each other should be obligated to make the competition better. For example if tester creates some godly protoss build, why should he want to go show that to other protoss players just so they can regurgitate it and then act like they are good. RTS lost it's innovative component long ago, now everything is on replay and you can watch the exact actions players take. A lot of people appear better than they are because they can copy streamlined builds and win a good percentage of the time based on the rock paper scissor element of sc2. In BW you had people trying to copy, but because the skill ceiling was a bit higher there were just things a player could not copy from someone like jaedong or flash because they simply can't play at that level. The "skill ceiling" is based on how good players actually do in a game. It can be heightened infinitely. At the current state, players have not spent enough time training in SC2 to actually heighten the ceiling. Thus, more people are able to perform what is considered 'good'; near the ceiling. Exactly the same was true when the original SC came out. I disagree with your thoughts about competition. Sure, Starcraft as a game is about competition to some extent. Yet it is also about a culture. Players learning from each other is good for the culture. Players who are extremely good will be able to stand out from the rest, because that is what we mean by "being good".
I really like your insight on that and I never thought of it that way, but it's completely true. If you asked people what they thought the skill ceiling of SC1 was when it first came out versus today, I'm sure they would never expect how highly technical and execution-heavy it evolved into. I would argue Boxer was the one who really pushed the envelope and completely changed the way players thought about competitive StarCraft.
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On August 26 2010 01:42 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 01:27 Ocedic wrote:On August 25 2010 17:34 Grettin wrote:
It was just a speculation. It doesn't make you racist. On August 26 2010 00:36 zerg4hire wrote:
lol fruitseller and SKs both top players in korea.
sersiously, Fruitsellre makes zerg look op.
From their persepective, i guess he doesnt feel like he wants to play with the foreigners.
especially teaching or showing them the techniques they've studied all this time.
think of it this way, its like 1 asian dude going into a school full of white people
but this time its reversed, now get it ?
why cant the world be a better place, just stop hating on each other.
Your 'speculation' breeds more ignorance. This thread is beyond ridiculous. Please name me a source that stated these players left due to racism. Otherwise, stop making wild conjecture based on your anglo-centric perceptions about Asia. I'm sorry if you got offended somehow by these speculations. And just to let you know, i like Asia, i love it's culture and people. But facts are facts, you gotta deal with them.
But you aren't offering any facts????
How on earth could you say 'facts are facts' while being called out on making wild conjecture without any supporting... errr... facts?
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On August 26 2010 01:42 Grettin wrote:
I'm sorry if you got offended somehow by these speculations. And just to let you know, i like Asia, i love it's culture and people. But facts are facts, you gotta deal with them.
Facts can be supported by evidence. Can your provide evidence for your claims? If not, then it's not fact, but rather your opinion and speculation which means you probably shouldn't be calling it a "fact".
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On August 26 2010 09:51 LegendaryZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 01:42 Grettin wrote:
I'm sorry if you got offended somehow by these speculations. And just to let you know, i like Asia, i love it's culture and people. But facts are facts, you gotta deal with them. Facts can be supported by evidence. Can your provide evidence for your claims? If not, then it's not fact, but rather your opinion and speculation which means you probably shouldn't be calling it a "fact".
You are right, im sorry calling it a fact but showing no source. Infact i only have a personal or family/friend related experience (Or read about others experience in a multiple sites), and its hard to point out. And i really can't be arsed to try find any evidence from the internet about it. None said for sure this whole Tester and Cool leaving oGs was anyway related to racism.
So yes, lets leave it here?
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My guess is they feel oGs recurite too many player recently. and the overall quality of the team has been lower.
Just a through, i have no base on this.
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pretty sure tester and cool are teaming up with coach lee from MBC to form team SCV--Sponsored too.
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