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Arcalious
Profile Joined March 2010
United States213 Posts
August 02 2010 04:18 GMT
#41
On August 02 2010 13:11 RinconH wrote:
Why are all the top players US in the same diamond division (Medivac Alamo)?

Shouldn't they be randomly distributed?


Not exactly sure how players are distributed into divisions, but considering that many of the top players are going to hit Diamond much quicker than most it makes since that many of them got placed into the same ones.
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 04:23:13
August 02 2010 04:22 GMT
#42
Terran only has a slight lead? Guess what needs a buff!

Would like to see actual matchup data (ie tvz tvp pvz etc)
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 04:26:57
August 02 2010 04:25 GMT
#43
On August 02 2010 12:48 xtfftc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 12:05 TheYango wrote:
On August 02 2010 12:02 EleanorRIgby wrote:
looks like protoss dominated everything but top 100

Which seems generally consistent with the idea that Terran is overpowered, but Protoss is easier to play.

It also seems to indicate that at any skill level outside of high diamond, the latter effect predominates. If you're a protoss player, unless you're in high diamond, you really don't have much to complain about with regard to Terran imbalance.


Or simply that Protoss is the most popular race and therefore there are more people better at playing it, even though it might not be stronger balance-wise?

As someone else mentioned, throughout beta there was roughly equal representation of all the races. I don't believe this would have changed drastically at release, and even if it did, players who have only played the game for a week are unlikely to have a major effect on these numbers--most of these players probably played through the beta.

On August 02 2010 13:22 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Terran only has a slight lead? Guess what needs a buff!

Would like to see actual matchup data (ie tvz tvp pvz etc)

This.

I'm pretty sure that TvZ is pretty heavily imbalanced, but I'm also pretty sure a lot of Protoss players are overstating the imbalance of TvP.
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DarkwindHK
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong343 Posts
August 02 2010 04:29 GMT
#44
I think part of the reason is also because Zerg is ugly and less player use Zerg. I think an overall race breakdown will be interesting info here.
Dont be too humble, you are not that great.
esaul17
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada547 Posts
August 02 2010 04:31 GMT
#45
Also, if players just finished a campaign with Terran, it wouldn't shock me if it was the most popular race to start with. Not that this should change the top 100 too strongly, but it may have some effect.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
August 02 2010 04:35 GMT
#46
On August 02 2010 13:11 RinconH wrote:
Why are all the top players US in the same diamond division (Medivac Alamo)?

Shouldn't they be randomly distributed?

yea they are evenly distributed, the other half of them is in medivac mu
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 02 2010 04:40 GMT
#47
IdrA's 67-10 (87.01%) is kinda stunning. I'm sure there are days when he just doesn't lose. He starts in the morning, plays 10+ hours and goes to bed undefeated.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
August 02 2010 04:50 GMT
#48
they split china and korea players up ladder-wise at beginning of phase 2.

china/taiwan play one server, korea plays the other. any way to get those ratings on here also? and what about SEA?
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HuK
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1591 Posts
August 02 2010 04:52 GMT
#49
i thought china didnt have the game yet? my chinese friend says he has to play on korean server
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rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 04:53:59
August 02 2010 04:53 GMT
#50
On August 02 2010 13:40 figq wrote:
IdrA's 67-10 (87.01%) is kinda stunning. I'm sure there are days when he just doesn't lose. He starts in the morning, plays 10+ hours and goes to bed undefeated.


Well top players don't really care for ladders, it is not very good training : too much cheese, bad players do not make you better, and there is no consistency from one match to the other.
They still play it to keep their reflexs up or if no strong friend is available.

But yeah top players have a walk in the park on the ladder : )
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 02 2010 05:02 GMT
#51
I thought there was Taiwanese server up. Pretty sure Sen was playing in Chinese, not Korean.
On August 02 2010 13:53 rezoacken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 13:40 figq wrote:
IdrA's 67-10 (87.01%) is kinda stunning. I'm sure there are days when he just doesn't lose. He starts in the morning, plays 10+ hours and goes to bed undefeated.


Well top players don't really care for ladders, it is not very good training : too much cheese, bad players do not make you better, and there is no consistency from one match to the other.
They still play it to keep their reflexs up or if no strong friend is available.

But yeah top players have a walk in the park on the ladder : )
I know, my point was there could be a 1000pt achievement: "Win against IdrA on the ladder, without attacking in the first 5 minutes" (i.e. no cheese).
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Gunman_csz
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United Arab Emirates492 Posts
August 02 2010 05:10 GMT
#52
On August 02 2010 13:52 HuK wrote:
i thought china didnt have the game yet? my chinese friend says he has to play on korean server


They play on the Taiwan server - that is what artosis is implying. There is no mainland china server as the game is not released, and will probably not release for a little while
Began Starcraft journey on 5th May 2009
njAl
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway156 Posts
August 02 2010 05:13 GMT
#53
so few people understand how good zerg is
=^.^=
Darkstar_X
Profile Joined May 2010
United States197 Posts
August 02 2010 05:15 GMT
#54
Representation data is not the same as win percentages. Zerg could have a 70% matchup against the other races and still have 15% representation. Don't assume causality.
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 05:20:41
August 02 2010 05:20 GMT
#55
On August 02 2010 14:15 Darkstar_X wrote:
Representation data is not the same as win percentages. Zerg could have a 70% matchup against the other races and still have 15% representation. Don't assume causality.


1000x this.

We need matchup data (ex. TvZ TvP PvZ win percentages)

I suspect (as many would)
TvZ is T>Z
TvP is even
PvZ is even

also, we need matchup data for each map.
Arcalious
Profile Joined March 2010
United States213 Posts
August 02 2010 05:21 GMT
#56
On August 02 2010 13:50 Artosis wrote:
they split china and korea players up ladder-wise at beginning of phase 2.

china/taiwan play one server, korea plays the other. any way to get those ratings on here also? and what about SEA?

I'll be adding that data in Monday.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
August 02 2010 05:27 GMT
#57
On August 02 2010 14:13 njAl wrote:
so few people understand how good zerg is


Yeah that Idra guy is clueless.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Arcalious
Profile Joined March 2010
United States213 Posts
August 02 2010 05:27 GMT
#58
Unfortunately. Matchup data is not available. Or at least in a format I have access to (battle.net Web site)

On August 02 2010 14:20 Entropic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 14:15 Darkstar_X wrote:
Representation data is not the same as win percentages. Zerg could have a 70% matchup against the other races and still have 15% representation. Don't assume causality.


1000x this.

We need matchup data (ex. TvZ TvP PvZ win percentages)

I suspect (as many would)
TvZ is T>Z
TvP is even
PvZ is even

also, we need matchup data for each map.

Deadlyhazard
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1177 Posts
August 02 2010 05:28 GMT
#59
Yeah, David Kim @ #8!!
Hark!
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
August 02 2010 05:34 GMT
#60
On August 02 2010 14:28 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Yeah, David Kim @ #8!!


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