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seolinker
Profile Joined July 2010
Ukraine69 Posts
September 01 2010 18:10 GMT
#1
Well, somebody have any tips ? I constantly get rapped no matter what I do. And it's only hard..... not brutal. What to do ? I have not seen anything on youtube regarding to my situation except maybe marine only... and it was on brutal but it seems like attack forces there WERE MUCH LESS than in my case.

I have all mercs, all arsenal upgrades. I have all zerg researches (all on the right side), all protoss one (first weapons, then just same, but on other side, so 3 on left, 2 on right side, which means, gas auto +25%, SV, tech lab).

I best so far it seems was battlecruisers. But they slow.... vikings die fast due to mutas. I have phantoms, so BroodLords are pain in the ass. I have upgraded bunkers, and lot of tanks with all upgrades, but I still get owned. after kerrigan approach she always kill my defense. And if not I cannot kill Levifan. And if yes my vikings die in that battle all of them mostly ...Eh...so annoying to see all that videos with nydus worms with constant use of nova and pack of banshees. Yeah...you are strategy masters lol Go for the real hard deal!

I need to use Nova one time also cause it needed for achievment. I also did like 2 CC from start and protect ass of base with turrets cause they attacked there as well.
Cool dude, I hope:)
SugarBear
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States842 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 18:33:43
September 01 2010 18:29 GMT
#2
If you didn't get the hive mind emitter then start over. You really can't beat the air campaign on brutal without it.

If you did get it then just mass hive mind emitters and MC as many muta/brolord/corruptors as you can click on. Remember to drop a few behind your minerals because air waves come from that direction too.

Edit 1: Oh, if you did skip hive mind emitter but went for ghosts instead of spectres you can mass ghosts for sniping air, get tanks to take care of ground, and a ball of medic marines to kill kerrigan. But if you have neither ghosts nor hive mind emitters then just give up IMO.

Edit 2: If you do ghosts you need to have +100 specialist energy research, permanent cloak upgrade, and probably the other ghost upgrade whatever it is. Save the artifact for when the overlords come.
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seolinker
Profile Joined July 2010
Ukraine69 Posts
September 01 2010 18:33 GMT
#3
I do not need brutal, I need hard for now, and I may use Nova once. I have psi disruptor though. Yep, I see how it works. But Blizzard probably make it passable anyway They need to allow air with psi disruptor

On Brutal, hell... I will use Nova ASAP everytime lol

Also ground forces are still very big! I destroyed them WTH they are so big still, baneling, hydras, zerlings... I killed you all within worms. They send me 50/50 air ground, while on nydus worms version may pack of mutas broodlords for all game.
Cool dude, I hope:)
SugarBear
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States842 Posts
September 01 2010 18:37 GMT
#4
On September 02 2010 03:33 seolinker wrote:
I do not need brutal, I need hard for now, and I may use Nova once. I have psi disruptor though. Yep, I see how it works. But Blizzard probably make it passable anyway They need to allow air with psi disruptor

On Brutal, hell... I will use Nova ASAP everytime lol

Also ground forces are still very big! I destroyed them WTH they are so big still, baneling, hydras, zerlings... I killed you all within worms. They send me 50/50 air ground, while on nydus worms version may pack of mutas broodlords for all game.


If you did air with psi disruptors (useless) and no ghosts then you are screwed. Did you at least get the splash upgrade for vikings? If so mass vikings with marine support might work. I was able to get most of the way through hard with just lots of turrets, tanks and bunkers on both entrances, and mass vikings for the leviathan/broodlords. Medic marine takes care of mutas pretty well.
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seolinker
Profile Joined July 2010
Ukraine69 Posts
September 01 2010 18:38 GMT
#5
I have phantoms, I helped Tosh, I play russian version, but played English too, do they call specters there ?

Overlords ? I kill them all without much damage at all. I know they spawn that lava and infested marines but I predicted that as well

Looks like this dude made it, will see
Cool dude, I hope:)
seolinker
Profile Joined July 2010
Ukraine69 Posts
September 01 2010 18:43 GMT
#6
Man, I have ALL upgrades. I have all mercs, I have all upgrades in armory/arsenal and I have Tosh peoples

Also I have big HP bunkers with 6 places, flame turrets, Gercules, bio-regen for tech units and psi-disrupter slower for zerg Tech.

For protoss - fast weapons, automated vespen, fast vespen, Science Vessels, Tech Labs

Well, you know I did EoD mission with only Odin/SCV,s/tanks/wraith...it was hell!!!! But I did it, without ANY upgrades.

Blizzard couldn't make this in last mission when you may have all upgrades (just different) and not made it.

For sure I have splashed vikings
Cool dude, I hope:)
Zades
Profile Joined April 2010
United States52 Posts
September 01 2010 19:09 GMT
#7
Wait till I beat it without upgrades ^^
Btw for the Aces High achievement, I did it by using Hive Mind Emulators against air. Worked for me.
seolinker
Profile Joined July 2010
Ukraine69 Posts
September 01 2010 19:18 GMT
#8
Yep, look like it may work, simply I used build of base from nydus worms lol, cause failed first time, that's why mutas eat me in end with help of Broodlords. Missle turrets are really help, much better than viking e.g. and I did them only around Nova along with flame turrets.
Cool dude, I hope:)
seolinker
Profile Joined July 2010
Ukraine69 Posts
September 01 2010 19:20 GMT
#9
Dude in the video using disruptors as you may see. Looks like he have same tech tree as me, maybe not bunkers.

All in without upgrades on Hard/Brutal ? not sure if serious
Cool dude, I hope:)
seolinker
Profile Joined July 2010
Ukraine69 Posts
September 01 2010 19:26 GMT
#10
Plus he using tors, hell, I should thought about it, they just even better than siege tanks in some cases and that is the case
Cool dude, I hope:)
3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
September 01 2010 19:34 GMT
#11
On September 02 2010 03:33 seolinker wrote:
On Brutal, hell... I will use Nova ASAP everytime lol


That's actually the worst thing you can do! Only use it on Brutal once Kerrigan is approching and only after she's chosen to go through either the top or the bottom path.

Just follow Nam771 on YouTube for his mass Tanks for ground plus Marines & Medics for Kerrigan setup and it's incredible easy - even on Brutal. Actually doing the Achievement is much harder than playing it normally on Brutal lol.

I got mine following Nam771's guide on YouTube (the same setup as on Brutal) but saved the NOVA for the very end. It was a really though fight which cost a lot of grief and a lot of reloading at the end. But eventually I finally managed to get a bit lucky to beat it and get that damned Achievement
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seolinker
Profile Joined July 2010
Ukraine69 Posts
September 01 2010 19:45 GMT
#12
Man, I realised I don't need mass tanks there. It's not nydus worms. 2-3 from each side maybe 2 near Nova is enough. Then like 4 bunkers AND 4 turrets for each side and like 3 tors, torsk kills mutas faster and easier than vikings. Yep I may did that on hard already if not achievment.
Cool dude, I hope:)
3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
September 01 2010 19:54 GMT
#13
On September 02 2010 04:45 seolinker wrote:
Man, I realised I don't need mass tanks there. It's not nydus worms. 2-3 from each side maybe 2 near Nova is enough. Then like 4 bunkers AND 4 turrets for each side and like 3 tors, torsk kills mutas faster and easier than vikings. Yep I may did that on hard already if not achievment.


LOL sorry man missed the AIR part in the title! You can slap me silly if you want to for such a bad oversight My bad...
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Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
September 01 2010 22:49 GMT
#14
Im having a similar issue, but I'm just trying to beat it on Hard. Im going after the Hurry Up, Its Raid Night achievement and just need to finish All In. Since Im going for that, I skipped a bunch of missions so I dont have all the units or all the tech upgrades.

I chose Air (Regretting it now), have the psi distrupter, no ghosts/spectres/thors, but I do have Viking and Banshee splash.

Any suggestions?
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Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
September 01 2010 22:52 GMT
#15
On September 02 2010 03:29 SugarBear wrote:
If you didn't get the hive mind emitter then start over. You really can't beat the air campaign on brutal without it.


That's pretty wrong, really.

I did the air version on brutal, and I just made a crapload of vikings, tanked and bunkered each choke, and it was quite easy, didn't even have to use the artifact once.
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seolinker
Profile Joined July 2010
Ukraine69 Posts
September 02 2010 08:27 GMT
#16
Did it just now, on Hard with achievment, just like on Video, Tors + Air-turrets really made the choice, as well as more microing now to producing more vikings (including mercs, they are rulezz) and upgrades (attack especially), like 2 times of 4 killed kerigan with marines, can be improved

Used Nova once on Levifan, he have like 2500 hp on Hard, so about 1000 already minus, then like 25 vikings, several seconds and he gone
Cool dude, I hope:)
seolinker
Profile Joined July 2010
Ukraine69 Posts
September 02 2010 13:33 GMT
#17
On expert though my best for now 78%, much more harder.....but I have seen guy who did it without MC or PD even...mostly bunkers (LOTS) and marines... and gosts, but I have no gosts ( Also I can use specters ability on Kerigan, main issue that on Normal you can allow her destroy defense everytime, attack waves not so big and strong...on Hard, you can allow it 1-2 times...on Brutal you better not allow it all cause you will get raped in next 1-2 waves
Cool dude, I hope:)
seolinker
Profile Joined July 2010
Ukraine69 Posts
September 02 2010 13:35 GMT
#18
Also big pain ... atack in back fof base, they are like 2 times more and stronger and may kill all SCV's and then you also may quit just atm, your economy will fail so all your tactics as well.
Cool dude, I hope:)
marvin.
Profile Joined August 2010
United States469 Posts
September 02 2010 14:09 GMT
#19
you dont need the mc tower to do this. All you need to do is have a row of perdition turrets, then bunkers with marines in them, and tanks behind that to cover the ground. you can also get some goliaths if you want. what is really mandatory though (at least how I did it) was the vikings. I had 2 control groups of vikings, splitting them up to take care of the brood lords. I think those are the main issue. in the beginning of the mission make sure to spam scvs hard so you have no resource problems later. make sure to build a line of turrets on the platform of the artifact, in the back of your base, and sides where the flyers come. as long as you efficiently deal with the broodlords this shouldn't be a problem.
seolinker
Profile Joined July 2010
Ukraine69 Posts
September 02 2010 14:20 GMT
#20
Yep, I got you. though I have time issues and kerrigan a bit stronger on brutal, I will try goliath instead of tors. I need lots of units there.
Cool dude, I hope:)
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