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gTank
Austria2666 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18748 Posts
Even Portugal's run while definitely close to being a S-tier country should not have won that tournament. World cup is like Olympics games in other sports. There are always some weirdos winning some world cup in a sport but Olympic winners is the big big thing. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27382 Posts
On July 30 2025 02:42 gTank wrote: I agree that basically anyone can win the Euro, see Greece or even Portugal with their luck run. Denmark had a miracle run way back in 1992, and Greece’s was in 2004. Aside from those years, it’s generally the usual suspects. Also both of them won when the Euros was smaller in terms of participants, so the variance is smaller. It’s not easy, but it’s easier to do a miracle run in a format where you’ve fewer teams and fewer matches to scrape through. A Euros isn’t harder to win than a World Cup, absolutely but it’s like 90% as hard | ||
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gTank
Austria2666 Posts
Portugal had: Ro16 -> Lucked out in OT against Croatia Ro8 -> Penalty shootout against all mighty Poland Ro4 -> Won fairly against Wales, cant remember Portugal being way better though. Finals -> Won in OT again. and were 3rd in group stage. Won EC but were definitely not the best team in this tournament. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18748 Posts
First Klopp, now Pep. I really hope we will have more promising managers... Atm it looks very empty... | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18442 Posts
On July 30 2025 18:17 sharkie wrote: Pep has confirmed he will retire after his time at Man City... First Klopp, now Pep. I really hope we will have more promising managers... Atm it looks very empty... Nonsense. You're just biased toward the current crop of managers. With Pep and Klopp retired and Mou dropped off in level, Arne Slot, Luis Enrique, Hansi Flick and probably some others will get the spotlight. And you'll be lamenting the same thing in 5-10 years when they retire and there's a new batch. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18748 Posts
Also how am I biased when I just mentioned two of the biggest managers in recent years? :D | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27382 Posts
Nobody said say, Klopp was the next big thing based on his work at Mainz. Unlike a prodigiously gifted player, who you can see is capable of playing at a higher level, with coaches it’s really unclear. Personally I think we’re moving away from the days of super coaches. The same process that replaced the great managers who did everything and called most of the shots, will apply to coaches too. I think we end up with a higher overall standard of coaching, and lots of bloody good coaches duking it out, alongside more sophisticated recruitment and analysis teams at elite clubs. We’re already seeing those moves and trends already. But I think you’ll see less and less of what you saw with Pep or a Klopp, where folks revolutionise the meta as it were, and in Pep’s case be pretty dominant for years. You really don’t have many coaches nowadays in the elite leagues who aren’t extremely good technical/tactical coaches, this wasn’t always the case. I think it makes it harder to gap the competition and really stand out. If Slot’s Liverpool are very competitive again, going back to my earlier point I think you can credit Slot with a lot of it from sheer coaching. This season, if they’re good again, Liverpool’s recruitment setup will be a huge part of it. The monetary stakes are simply too high nowadays to just give coaches too much free rein, which only makes sense. But I think it makes it harder and harder to be that singular figure | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10563 Posts
On July 30 2025 21:56 sharkie wrote: Luis Enrique definitely. Arne Slot has had one good season, lets hope he repeats it. Hansi Flick - the Germany stint is not to be forgotten! Also how am I biased when I just mentioned two of the biggest managers in recent years? :D Slot had several good seasons in the Eridivise, and he proved to be a very reasonable manager taking over Klopp's side and making small tweaks to get us a title. I'm not saying he's a huge manager, but he's already shown he's definitely a good one. It's sad that Inzaghi left the big 5 leagues, he was a great manager. Conte is still chugging along with Napoli too. I think the current "crop" of great managers would be Enrique and Conte at the top followed by potential breakout managers with Slot, Flick, Alonso. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27382 Posts
I didn’t honestly begrudge him leaving, it sorta felt about the right time. Inter can’t keep doing miracle recruiting to remain competitive at the very bleeding edge of European competition and being extremely well-coached. It’s just a shame it wasn’t to somewhere absolutely elite like a big Prem job, although maybe clubs just weren’t looking at him. I know 95% of transfer gossip is bullshit, but there was a conspicuous lack of even that linking Inzaghi to many jobs, which I always found a bit odd given his record. Conte 100% is pretty overlooked. Leagues in two countries, and quickly too when he arrives. I think the only bloke to have won Serie A with 3 different teams too. Even his Italy stint was better than the results showed, he squeezed a lot from a pretty damn limited group. He’s not been especially great in Europe, in quite a few jobs which I guess is the big question mark | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2110 Posts
In practice it still seems like a complete mess in most clubs. Staying 3 years in one club will probably land you somewhere in the list of longest serving managers in Europe currently. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10563 Posts
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haitike
Spain2744 Posts
On July 31 2025 02:37 Bacillus wrote: Staying 3 years in one club will probably land you somewhere in the list of longest serving managers in Europe currently. Simeone being more than 13 years in Atletico in such an anomaly. He won 2 leagues and reached 2 champions league finals, the club grow a lot with him and he regularly always finishes in the top 3 in the league, but still, in other clubs he would be out after several seasons without titles. | ||
GTR
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8925 Posts
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Bacillus
Finland2110 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10563 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7406 Posts
Liverpool offense looks incredible. Fast paced and creative. Just missing a clean finisher (well other than Salah I guess). Defensively, it isn't clicking yet. Also not sure I like Mamardashvili. Whats up with Alisson? Definitely my favorites for the league title this season Man City without KDB... But Rodri is back. Should be a lot more stable now. Probably second in the league. Next is Arsenal. Last top 4 slot is pretty open with Chelsea most likely grabbing it. La Liga If Barca can get their shit together (signing and actually register players) they'll win the league. 2. Real 3. Athletico Bundesliga Bayern by a mile. This gonna be so boring 2-6 Stuttgart, BVB, Frankfurt, Leverkusen, Leipzig in any order. We'll see Don't know nothing about Serie A. Ligue 1 is boring | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27382 Posts
On August 06 2025 18:40 Harris1st wrote: PL Liverpool offense looks incredible. Fast paced and creative. Just missing a clean finisher (well other than Salah I guess). Defensively, it isn't clicking yet. Also not sure I like Mamardashvili. Whats up with Alisson? Definitely my favorites for the league title this season Man City without KDB... But Rodri is back. Should be a lot more stable now. Probably second in the league. Next is Arsenal. Last top 4 slot is pretty open with Chelsea most likely grabbing it. La Liga If Barca can get their shit together (signing and actually register players) they'll win the league. 2. Real 3. Athletico Bundesliga Bayern by a mile. This gonna be so boring 2-6 Stuttgart, BVB, Frankfurt, Leverkusen, Leipzig in any order. We'll see Don't know nothing about Serie A. Ligue 1 is boring Yeah, although in a league where the champion isn’t hugely better on paper (Bundesliga) I maybe fancy the non-champs from last season. It’s pretty tough to go again, and if you’re Liverpool you’ve also got an Arsenal desperate to actually win the prize after being nearly men for a few seasons, and City are probably going to be pretty pumped up. I think at least in the Prem, the CL may decide a lot. Whoever is pushing for that, or goes deep I can see it hard to maintain a challenge on both fronts. Should be some cracking seasons coming up anyway! | ||
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