EPTI think the one weapon that's underutilized is Kevin Love. He seems like the guy who actually could play like Draymond passing from the post, I think KLove's skill as a passer extends beyond just break starters. But in the Cavs offense he's just a guy shooting in the corner.
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
I think the one weapon that's underutilized is Kevin Love. He seems like the guy who actually could play like Draymond passing from the post, I think KLove's skill as a passer extends beyond just break starters. But in the Cavs offense he's just a guy shooting in the corner. | ||
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zev318
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 15 2017 00:17 ZenithM wrote: I don't know about that. Nobody else in that lineup can both create his own shot and create for others. Nobody outside of Kyrie and Lebron can create his own shit (at least against GS). Kyrie just doesn't have good vision for a point guard, and plays more like a 6'3 SG. He can only play the P&R decently (but which PG can't...). There are some alright offensive weapons in the Cavs, but the offense for now can be summarized by "Lebron ISO + Lebron assist + Kyrie ISO". I think the one weapon that's underutilized is Kevin Love. He seems like the guy who actually could play like Draymond passing from the post, I think KLove's skill as a passer extends beyond just break starters. But in the Cavs offense he's just a guy shooting in the corner. That is part of my idea (Klove passing). The problem is that, alot like Bosh before him, his role has been greatly reduced in the "LeBron offense" and its not possible to just hit a switch and run a whole new offense when he's not on the floor. That is how a 45, 50 win team (Cavs without LeBron) can go 0-8 in games he doesn't play. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
I don't really know shit about conditioning and all that so maybe that's not possible... The most likely to happen is that Love simply gets traded for a 3&D guy. I really think Love is underrated, he seems like a really smart and skilled player. Just not very athletic. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
You can't have Lebron carrying the offensive load and guarding KD at the same time. The Cavs were shooting better than GSW in game 5 and should've won if they could just guard all the backdoor cuts. But they had Lebron conserving energy on defense and nobody else on the team had the defensive chops to police all the backdoor cuts. I believe Iguodala was 7/7 on 2-pointers that game and it must've been on 6-7 dunks. | ||
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ZenithM
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xDaunt
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18051 Posts
cleveland's defense continued to be crap as the playoffs rolled on its just that they played 2 teams ( toronto, boston ) that were at best ranged from slightly above average to somewhat above average ; both teams lost 2 important offensive cogs midway through each series. so Cleveland's defense was hardly "battle tested" going into the finals. that cartesian plane thing with offensive and defensive efficiency on the x and y axis that i posted wasn't meant to be some big prediction thing.... but looking at it now... no one should've been shocked the finals was a scoring-fest. | ||
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Jerubaal
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18051 Posts
i think its better to be in the same division and conference as the best team. it forces your management, development and scouting staffs to raise their game or get fired. it forces your team and management to stare dead in the eyes of what is #1 far more frequently. this is even more the case when you are trying to draft and develop a team rather than buy one. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 15 2017 03:06 xDaunt wrote: Thinking about the series, particularly the last few games, the Cavs sold out pretty hard on trying to shut down Curry with double teams and traps. Do you think think that the Cavs would have been better off giving Curry a little more space and putting more attention on Durant? I think that just makes the offense as a whole work for Golden State and you have even more free shots at the rim. | ||
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andrewlt
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On June 14 2017 18:45 Twinkle Toes wrote: Point taken. Im just taking special exception with this narrative recently that it takes a historically great team to beat him, with strong undertones pertaining to the Warriors superteam. First, because Lebron himself paved the way for this brand of superteam where superstars at their peak band with each other. Second, it's not as if Lebron does not have a great team himself this year. this is a #1 #1 #1 team with parts handpicked by Lebron vs. a #7 #11 #35 team that was well managed and got very very lucky to get Durant. It just so happened that Lebron's team is not functioning as expected. Having said that, the offseason acquisition of the Cavs will be the highlight of NBA fans this summer. So 2010 Magic and 2011 Mavs(the real scar against him, even most LeBron fans agree unless they are super dug in stans), 2015 Warriors when LeBron was playing without his #2 and #3... every other team that's beaten him actually has been pretty historically great. Boston Big4, Spurs dynasty, 2017 Warriors with arguably the greatest roster ever. You can't compare teams based on where their roster was drafted that is idiocy. | ||
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Jerubaal
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On June 15 2017 06:55 red_ wrote: So 2010 Magic and 2011 Mavs(the real scar against him, even most LeBron fans agree unless they are super dug in stans), 2015 Warriors when LeBron was playing without his #2 and #3... every other team that's beaten him actually has been pretty historically great. Boston Big4, Spurs dynasty, 2017 Warriors with arguably the greatest roster ever. Whooosh. In the context of our exchange, and the discourse on this topic in general, "pretty ridiculous teams" meant those stacked with superstars. The teams I mentioned defeating James were not. So my objection was that it does not take a super-stacked team to beat James. It's been done many times before by good old basketball strategy and teamwork. On June 15 2017 06:55 red_ wrote: You can't compare teams based on where their roster was drafted that is idiocy. In this case, this comparison is the only valid thing to do. I don't know if you're trolling or you do not understand the discussion at all. In good conscience, let me explain this in simple terms. When discussing which are superteams, it is important to identify which teams were created with clear talents already in place, and which ones needed development. Besides, how many #35 pick superstars can you name? Failing to understand this is the real idiocy. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
Lebron may play for Lakers of Clippers. IF TRUE, SERIOUS WTF WOW!!! | ||
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Jerubaal
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zev318
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 15 2017 11:11 Twinkle Toes wrote: WOJ BOMB (although Woj is a known Lebron hitman and unreliable regarding him): Lebron may play for Lakers of Clippers. IF TRUE, SERIOUS WTF WOW!!! Yeah, other outlets have been speculating about this for a while. I don't think that playing for the Clippers in two years will make sense. They're a team on the decline. The Lakers are a different matter. They could be a really good team in a couple of years if they add Lebron and some other high end veterans to their young core. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9078 Posts
So why not? Roll that dice Bron Bron | ||
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