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On June 21 2017 18:21 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 17:30 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 21 2017 16:30 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah no way Ronaldo knows how to avoid tax same with Messi and Neymar. However they can sure pay people who will do it for them. Not saying they intentionally went out to do that but when someone said oh btw i can make u an extra £10million a year if u use this guy for your accounts they going to do it xD and you wouldnt? this topic came up last time when messi was first convicted too. most people here acting like theyre saints and would never reduce the amount of tax they had to pay if they could. these players are simply doing what they thought would legitimately help them reduce their tax and it turns out whoever manages their finances was shit at their job. Yes I wouldn't. You think people who don't earn millions don't have the chance to reduce their tax or do tax fraud? They do have the chance and there are many/few who do it. There are also people who don't do it. What I hate is that rich people do it. (Insane examples): What difference does 10 million make to 100 million? Nothing. What difference does 100 make to 1000? Yeah, ask anyone who earns so little
I've worked in private banking for a bit so some anecdotal experience from me.
There's a huge variety of rich people. Some who don't mind paying taxes and all and others who will do anything to reduce their tax bill. I remember one guy who didn't mind paying 4m in taxes or something (although the private bank I worked at told him it's dumb as fuck and to at least reduce it by a bit). Another guy left because our bank wasn't willing to facilitate tax avoidance which skirted the law. Anyway from my experience most of our clients wanted to reduce their tax burden but didn't want to go as far as using the kind of fancy constructions the Spanish football players use.
The thing with complex constructions is that the line between avoidance and tax evasion is rather thin. With one of the constructions the client wasn't actually allowed to communicate with our bank. If they did it'd be tax evasion instead of avoidance. Most people just aren't willing to go that far for a variety of reasons.
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Yeah i was thinking that most of the "tax" laws itself are not 100% conclusive and can be skirted around as you put it. So unless the governments make it more clear/more legislations they will be forever abused. All done for a reason though im sure :D
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On June 21 2017 18:21 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 17:30 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 21 2017 16:30 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah no way Ronaldo knows how to avoid tax same with Messi and Neymar. However they can sure pay people who will do it for them. Not saying they intentionally went out to do that but when someone said oh btw i can make u an extra £10million a year if u use this guy for your accounts they going to do it xD and you wouldnt? this topic came up last time when messi was first convicted too. most people here acting like theyre saints and would never reduce the amount of tax they had to pay if they could. these players are simply doing what they thought would legitimately help them reduce their tax and it turns out whoever manages their finances was shit at their job. Yes I wouldn't. You think people who don't earn millions don't have the chance to reduce their tax or do tax fraud? They do have the chance and there are many/few who do it. There are also people who don't do it. What I hate is that rich people do it. (Insane examples): What difference does 10 million make to 100 million? Nothing. What difference does 100 make to 1000? Yeah, ask anyone who earns so little
you think rich people want to avoid paying more tax because they want to make themselves wealthier? no.
they try to reduce their tax because they know they can spend the money better elsewhere. believe it or not not all rich people are retards like kim kardashian who literally throw money around. there are plenty of people who are incredibly influential and good-hearted that could put better use to the money than giving it away to the government for them to squander through retarded budgets and policies.
rich guys are rich for a reason. you could hate on it all you want but they earned that money and they have every right to be pissed about being taxed 40% of their income only to see it being redistributed into say, the military for US case.
this is off topic but i feel its necessary to reduce the amount of shit wealthy people get simply for being wealthy. them contributing 10% of their income to a good cause that isnt in the form of tax is probably more than 100% of the income of the rest of the general population so i really dont get where middle/lower class people get the idea that they can sit on their high horses and have the audacity to say that wealthy people only care about hoarding money for themselves.
also, like rvb said; wealthy people generally want to reduce tax, not outright evade it. there is a very fine line between the two in practical terms
its easy for middle/lower class guys to talk shit when in reality going through the trouble of treading the grey area is only going to make a couple thousand dollars difference at most. for the upper class we're talking millions, and reducing tax within what they know to be "legal but grey" is worth a try. thats why ronaldo/messi/mou etc. clearly got the short end of the stick by employing people who werent knowledgeable enough in the area. dont try to make it out like all wealthy people are dirtbags who have no problems with blatantly breaking the law.
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On June 22 2017 17:19 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 18:21 sharkie wrote:On June 21 2017 17:30 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 21 2017 16:30 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah no way Ronaldo knows how to avoid tax same with Messi and Neymar. However they can sure pay people who will do it for them. Not saying they intentionally went out to do that but when someone said oh btw i can make u an extra £10million a year if u use this guy for your accounts they going to do it xD and you wouldnt? this topic came up last time when messi was first convicted too. most people here acting like theyre saints and would never reduce the amount of tax they had to pay if they could. these players are simply doing what they thought would legitimately help them reduce their tax and it turns out whoever manages their finances was shit at their job. Yes I wouldn't. You think people who don't earn millions don't have the chance to reduce their tax or do tax fraud? They do have the chance and there are many/few who do it. There are also people who don't do it. What I hate is that rich people do it. (Insane examples): What difference does 10 million make to 100 million? Nothing. What difference does 100 make to 1000? Yeah, ask anyone who earns so little you think rich people want to avoid paying more tax because they want to make themselves wealthier? no. they try to reduce their tax because they know they can spend the money better elsewhere. believe it or not not all rich people are retards like kim kardashian who literally throw money around. there are plenty of people who are incredibly influential and good-hearted that could put better use to the money than giving it away to the government for them to squander through retarded budgets and policies. rich guys are rich for a reason. you could hate on it all you want but they earned that money and they have every right to be pissed about being taxed 40% of their income only to see it being redistributed into say, the military for US case. this is off topic but i feel its necessary to reduce the amount of shit wealthy people get simply for being wealthy. them contributing 10% of their income to a good cause that isnt in the form of tax is probably more than 100% of the income of the rest of the general population so i really dont get where middle/lower class people get the idea that they can sit on their high horses and have the audacity to say that wealthy people only care about hoarding money for themselves. also, like rvb said; wealthy people generally want to reduce tax, not outright evade it. there is a very fine line between the two in practical terms its easy for middle/lower class guys to talk shit when in reality going through the trouble of treading the grey area is only going to make a couple thousand dollars difference at most. for the upper class we're talking millions, and reducing tax within what they know to be "legal but grey" is worth a try. thats why ronaldo/messi/mou etc. clearly got the short end of the stick by employing people who werent knowledgeable enough in the area. dont try to make it out like all wealthy people are dirtbags who have no problems with blatantly breaking the law.
1. This is becoming way off topic so that's the reason I won't reply to you and stop talking about it.
2. The only point I want to discuss because you clearly seem to be ignorant about it: Nope, lower/middle class donate more money to charity/good causes.
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there must be something specific about spanish tax laws, players in spain are investigated far more than everywhere else... probably something to do being able to set up images right abroad
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Meanwhile the German "Regionalliga Südwest" (4th division, the first multitrack tier) has found a new team to complete it to 20 teams.
The Chinese U20 will join it, but playing out of competition. As they have no "home", all other games will play 2 home games against that team.
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On June 22 2017 23:29 mahrgell wrote:
Meanwhile the German "Regionalliga Südwest" (4th division, the first multitrack tier) has found a new team to complete it to 20 teams.
The Chinese U20 will join it, but playing out of competition. As they have no "home", all other games will play 2 home games against that team.
That is really interesting. And what happens, if they get promoted to professional level ? I mean this is an amateur team and can't turn professional at all. I guess they have to stay at amateur level, even if they earn their spot in higher leagues.
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On June 23 2017 01:30 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:29 mahrgell wrote:
Meanwhile the German "Regionalliga Südwest" (4th division, the first multitrack tier) has found a new team to complete it to 20 teams.
The Chinese U20 will join it, but playing out of competition. As they have no "home", all other games will play 2 home games against that team.
That is really interesting. And what happens, if they get promoted to professional level ? I mean this is an amateur team and can't turn professional at all. I guess they have to stay at amateur level, even if they earn their spot in higher leagues.
They play out of competition, won't be part of the table. The league has 19 official teams so one team would be off every week. Instead they will get €15k per game to host the Chinese U20 as Olympics preparation.
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Question to Germans : what's up with Werner, from the few Leipzig games I watched he seemed good and did bring something when he came on the pitch against Australia, why doesn't he start?
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On June 23 2017 02:55 nojok wrote:
Question to Germans : what's up with Werner, from the few Leipzig games I watched he seemed good and did bring something when he came on the pitch against Australia, why doesn't he start?
Honestly? It's not like our offense currently is bad on the paper  Why exactly is he out? I don't know but it's not like he is that much better than anyone else. Would love to see him but I also quite like this team on the pitch currently. Maybe he didn't train as well as the others. Or löw thinks he doesn't fit the system aswell as for example Stindl. No clue. But I bet you you will see him this game later on.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
England looking good vs Poland and Sweden look on the brink of elimination!
Poland no challenge technically for England and we are 3-0 up!
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If Sanchez signs for Man City it's going to effing hilarious and a viewing bonanza for Arsenal Fan TV.
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Dear DAZN members,
I think we all know that DAZN have the Bundesliga rigths from 2018-2021. They said they won't offer conference in Bundesliga. Do they have conference in any competitions? like CL or EC/WC quali games? Do they show interviews & pre talk?
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
England vs Germany U21 semi final tomorrow :D
Most managers will be back into work this week too so i would suggest that the transfer window should speed up again. Pre season starts 1st week in July for most in premier league too.
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On June 26 2017 16:37 Dingodile wrote:
Dear DAZN members,
I think we all know that DAZN have the Bundesliga rigths from 2018-2021. They said they won't offer conference in Bundesliga. Do they have conference in any competitions? like CL or EC/WC quali games? Do they show interviews & pre talk?
So far they didn't show CL or EL games ( they only have the CL rights starting with the 18/19 season) so obv. no conferences there so far. It's a bit blurry but I'm pretty sure they had conferences for WC quali games. The only conference casts I'm 100% sure they did are the second to last and last gameday in most leagues, when every game is played at the same time.
Pre-talk: Often times but it's usually not as long as in traditional TV (unless it's a special event, like the Super Bowl or something) and not all games are casted in German, some are with the original commentary ( which is honestly quite nice at times)
Interviews: They usually show what they get. Can't speak for Football (not watched too much of it in the last months), but in the NBA, NFL, NHL they definitely show the interviews.
They show a lot of features tho: Best Goals of the week in the [insert league]. Seasonal retrospective of [insert league/team/manager/player]. Interviews with German players in the NBA/NFL/NHL. Portraits of different players.
Also where else can you get your fix of competitive fishing?
If you want to test, just do your 1 month test sub at the beginning of next season, when every sport starts again. It's easy to unsub.
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On June 26 2017 21:11 TheNewEra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 16:37 Dingodile wrote:
Dear DAZN members,
I think we all know that DAZN have the Bundesliga rigths from 2018-2021. They said they won't offer conference in Bundesliga. Do they have conference in any competitions? like CL or EC/WC quali games? Do they show interviews & pre talk? So far they didn't show CL or EL games ( they only have the CL rights starting with the 18/19 season) so obv. no conferences there so far. [...]
Regarding CL, have not seen anything about EL yet:
They only have rights for single games then too, only Sky will simulcast, including the games they do not have exclusive rights for, see www.spiegel.de
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On June 26 2017 22:15 sneirac wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 21:11 TheNewEra wrote:On June 26 2017 16:37 Dingodile wrote:
Dear DAZN members,
I think we all know that DAZN have the Bundesliga rigths from 2018-2021. They said they won't offer conference in Bundesliga. Do they have conference in any competitions? like CL or EC/WC quali games? Do they show interviews & pre talk? So far they didn't show CL or EL games ( they only have the CL rights starting with the 18/19 season) so obv. no conferences there so far. [...] Regarding CL, have not seen anything about EL yet: They only have rights for single games then too, only Sky will simulcast, including the games they do not have exclusive rights for, see www.spiegel.de
Yeah forgot to mention that. They will probably do what ARD/ZDF are doing now just without showing German games. The best games and the German games will probably go to Sky
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On June 26 2017 23:27 TheNewEra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 22:15 sneirac wrote:On June 26 2017 21:11 TheNewEra wrote:On June 26 2017 16:37 Dingodile wrote:
Dear DAZN members,
I think we all know that DAZN have the Bundesliga rigths from 2018-2021. They said they won't offer conference in Bundesliga. Do they have conference in any competitions? like CL or EC/WC quali games? Do they show interviews & pre talk? So far they didn't show CL or EL games ( they only have the CL rights starting with the 18/19 season) so obv. no conferences there so far. [...] Regarding CL, have not seen anything about EL yet: They only have rights for single games then too, only Sky will simulcast, including the games they do not have exclusive rights for, see www.spiegel.de Yeah forgot to mention that. They will probably do what ARD/ZDF are doing now just without showing German games. The best games and the German games will probably go to Sky
Eh they got first pick for 3 GS Tuesdays, all first legs of Ro16/8 and full semis+finals. They will get a decent amount of German games.
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On June 27 2017 01:01 sneirac wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 23:27 TheNewEra wrote:On June 26 2017 22:15 sneirac wrote:On June 26 2017 21:11 TheNewEra wrote:On June 26 2017 16:37 Dingodile wrote:
Dear DAZN members,
I think we all know that DAZN have the Bundesliga rigths from 2018-2021. They said they won't offer conference in Bundesliga. Do they have conference in any competitions? like CL or EC/WC quali games? Do they show interviews & pre talk? So far they didn't show CL or EL games ( they only have the CL rights starting with the 18/19 season) so obv. no conferences there so far. [...] Regarding CL, have not seen anything about EL yet: They only have rights for single games then too, only Sky will simulcast, including the games they do not have exclusive rights for, see www.spiegel.de Yeah forgot to mention that. They will probably do what ARD/ZDF are doing now just without showing German games. The best games and the German games will probably go to Sky Eh they got first pick for 3 GS Tuesdays, all first legs of Ro16/8 and full semis+finals. They will get a decent amount of German games.
That's a pleasant surprise for me
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Hmm yea selling Matic is good, getting Bakayoko may be an upgrade, but I'd like Chalobah to get more playing time. Guy has impressed me every time despite his limited minutes. I think Chalobah's ready, and we don't need another obstacle to him becoming first team material.
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